 It's time now for Heart to Heart, brought to you by Zoonic Advisory Services. Here's Jackie LeBeau. Good morning everybody, we're back and I have a wonderful show for you today. I've been wanting to do this show for a long, long time and I just couldn't find the right person. And then I reconnected with a friend of mine, Lisa Larson, who I met when we were both going through the certification to be Psychic Mediums by internationally known Psychic Medium, Lisa Williams. So Lisa is an animal communicator like me and a Psychic Medium and she specializes in animals and spirit. She's also a Reiki master. She works full-time in this capacity and is known for her compassion, her honesty, integrity and ethics. And she is just the right person to have this morning to talk about the topic we're going to address. She works worldwide via phone and webcam in many additional capacities, such as Tarot Intuitive Coach. And I'm going to have to have her pronounce some of these other things for me because she's a Huna practitioner and a candidate. I know I didn't pronounce that right, Lisa, you'll have to correct that when you come on. I teach her in a mentor. With a lifetime of study and experience in the metaphysical scientists, she can connect you with your animals and loved ones in the afterlife to deliver messages of hope and comfort as well as connecting with your animals and body to correct behavior problems to help them understand current life situations and sometimes just to chat I tell people, I get people who just want to talk. She has a master's degree in human behavior and lives in Carlsbad, California with her husband Michael and their two feline fur kids Cuba and Makana. So Lisa is going to be coming on today. She is going to be helping us talk about pet grief because I have to tell you one of the most frequent uses of animal communication is when guardians are addressing end-of-life issues. So without further ado, let's welcome Lisa. Hey, Lisa. Good morning. Hi. So as I was saying, I've been so wanting to talk about this issue because I've had several clients who have worked with me with end-of-life issues for their animals and particularly the ones who don't have a good support system with family or the ones who go to work and people just can't figure out what's the big deal, your dog died. And that is so hard on them because for those of us who truly love our animals, you know, they are like our kids. We kid about them being fur kids and people don't want to hear that who don't understand that. But you know, when you've had an animal in your life that you've been taking care of for, you know, could be 20 years, you know, with some cats and my goodness with horses and donkeys and I mean, you know, they are part of the family. Yeah, that is absolutely one of the worst. And you know, not only when they don't have a support system but when they have never, ever had to make the decision of what to do about euthanasia. And that is, it's a terrible decision but you know, what I try to explain to people, in fact, I talked to somebody just a week ago and she was saying, well, you know, I feel like I'm killing my cat. And I said, you're not, you're not, or no, she said, I feel like I'm taking my cat's life. And I said, you're not taking your cat's life. You're releasing your cat's life because that's what, you know, we as pet parents, when we don't think about it when we're, when we get them and they're small and they're playing and happy and everything like that but we take on that responsibility of someday we may have to make this decision and I tell people it is the most altruistic decision that they can make because what we're doing is we are, we were, we are releasing our animals from pain, from the pain and the suffering that they are going through. And you know, it's one of the few things that, it was one of the few rights that animals have that people don't. Yes, we don't have, we can't make that choice. That's right. And, and you know, it, it is a terrible decision and it is, it is a terribly difficult decision but you know, I've also talked to people who and understandably they say, well you know, I want to let them do it naturally but there's a misconception, you know, and this is not to say that there aren't some animals who would die peacefully in their sleep but because animals pass so often in the middle of the night when we're asleep, we don't know what they really go through and unfortunately I had that experience. My mom could not make that decision and I, I, I at, at one point and I got up there and by the time I got up there I was, I was telling her, you know, this is really the time and she just couldn't make the decision and that night I was lying with the cat and, and the cat passed and I won't go into the details but it was not a quiet and smooth passing and I think we sometimes tell ourselves that that's what's going to happen because we don't want to make the decision and we, we, it's just too hard for us but if we understand that we are actually doing something to help our kitties, to help our puppies, to help our babies, then maybe that makes the decision a little bit easier that, that we know that it's, we're doing it for them and we are releasing them from their bodies that are, that are causing them so much pain rather than taking their lives away. Yeah, you know Lisa, I think those of us who have gone through this, you know, and I've gone through it many times we've had over 20 dogs, you know, it's like you have to go through that first time when you struggle with it and you hold on and hold on and we'll talk about that, how, what that does to our animals when we're like holding on and after you've gone through that the one time I remember saying to myself I will never ever do that again, you know because I realized what I was doing to this dog that I loved like my little one and I thought, you know, and at that time what I was, what I was really doing to start with and I think it was mostly that I just couldn't let go she was my first doggy but her daddy was out of the country on business and I kept saying just hold on until daddy gets home well, you know, it's like I wasn't thinking about what I was asking her to do. Right, yeah so Yeah, no that's absolutely true and for those people out there who have had that experience and are carrying the guilt of that I want to help with that as well because we can't know until we know better, you know and hopefully we can learn before we have the experience ourselves hopefully we can learn by, you know, listening to shows like this and listening to people talk but if we don't then we also have to understand that maybe that was, you know, just like us animals have a life path and they come into our lives to teach us things just like we teach them things and it may be that your little dog came to teach you something maybe without that without that experience you wouldn't have gone on to be the animal communicator and the compassionate person that you are knowing all of this because what I find is that my own experiences I bring all of my own experiences to all that I do in both animal communication and psychic mediumship because, you know, I find that people end up calling me for a specific reason just like they end up calling you for a specific reason because maybe we've had a, you know, a certain experience in our lives that we will, we will see something through a frame of reference that and be able to say something that just helps make the penny drop Yeah, yeah, or the other thing is that we can truly understand where they are because we've walked into the same shoes Exactly, exactly and I believe that our animals come to, you know, help us with those things so, you know, for people that are dealing with, you know, oh, the grief of, you know, maybe I didn't do the right thing at the same right time or whatever you know, that's the way that I look at that because I think we've all had that experience, you know I mean, many people, unless they've had the benefit of somebody helping have had that experience and of not doing it soon enough and having to learn that way but we have to understand that those those animals had that life path and that maybe they came to teach us that specific thing but hopefully, hopefully for, hopefully we talking about this can help other people not have that experience and learn it in a different way Right, not learn it in quite the hard way that some of us did but it's interesting too because we talked just briefly about animals ability to hang on for us when we don't let them go and I know that's one of the first things I do with my now when I know that, you know, the time is near, I always say to them in all honesty and I truly believe it I just say, you know, you can go whenever you're ready it's okay with mommy you know, I'm gonna miss you terribly but I don't, I want you to go when you're ready and it's funny because I've had that experience I'm sure you have two leads of work I've had people call me and the one time you know, I couldn't get them back on the phone and their little dog came through while I was cooking dinner I'm standing at the stove cooking dinner and you know, their little dog you know, Jakey came through and all he said to me is I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready and I thought, oh, I know what he's saying he's saying to his mom I'm ready, let me go and in this case thankfully she is so connected to her dog she got it and they were at the vet's office and they let him go then but it's true it's like they'll just hold on, won't they? Yeah, they really will and what I found is that sometimes there are people who in their heads they know that they need to be letting them go so they say those words yeah they say yes, you can go but in their hearts they really, really haven't haven't, they're not really touching it in their hearts and so the animals will still pick up on that and they will still hang on and then I, when we have the conversation and I have this conversation with their pet parents what I have, what I will know notice happens is that all of a sudden once the pet parent really, really gets it and they take it into their heart then within a couple of days the pet may, the animal may take a turn for the worse so that the parent says oh okay, I get it, it's time Right, right it's like that they show them something that makes sure that they understand that and know that because as we've talked here before on the show but animals don't necessarily just read the words they read your thoughts it's telepathy and so you might be saying one thing but inside that's not what's going on and they're reading what's inside Right, it's feeling the energy and you said, and you said one other thing I wanted to, to reference what I've found too and I don't know if you guys have it out have as many out there as we do here is that I've found that so many animals ask to pass at home when they ask for the help but they want to do it at home and out here we've started to have a lot of veterinarians who do nothing but pet euthanasia at home and it's a great resource of course you can't always you know I mean you might you know people that live in more rural areas and stuff like that you know people can always call their vets because sometimes vets even if they don't say that they will because you've been with a vet for a long time and you really want your pet to pass at home they, if you call your vet they may, they may do it for you some of them will come out to the house and do it for you but there are more and more places where there's a place out here called pause into grace and I actually, I actually had this woman's website on my website for a while and then I happened to meet her at a, at an event we were both doing at the same time and you know I got to talk to her and she was, she talked about it and she said you know I worked in a veterinary office for, for so long and I saw these people bringing their, their pets into the office and these pets were so scared and they were in a place that they didn't know and, and it was, it was just it just didn't seem right so I started this and she just, that's all she does she doesn't do any other kind of vet care she just does pet euthanasia and I've, I've referred a lot of my clients to her and they've, they've had a lot of, I've got a lot of, a lot of good feedback you know I mean obviously it's going to be individual for whoever does it but you know you have to be a specific type of person to be able to do that I sure couldn't Yeah and I, I have to tell you Lisa we actually are blessed to have at least one service in our area it's called Peaceful Pet Passage for everybody out there listening and we had Dr. Elizabeth Carney come on the show a little while back to talk about her work doing in-home euthanasia and I'm going to give everybody that number it's 717-691-9214-717-691-9214 Peaceful Pet Passage because Dr. Carney that's what she does too Lisa and I thought my goodness what a service for her and I know sometimes it weighs heavily on her you know but you know I keep reminding her and it was so gratifying for her because after she was on the show there were people who emailed me saying oh my goodness you know such an angel I don't know what I would have done without her and I, and I forwarded all those to her and just made her feel so good about what she does oh I'm sure that's wonderful yes I'm sure and and you know I think it's something that people don't really know is a veil on them right right you know I mean they just always traditionally we've always had to schlep the cat the pets down to the the vet and and put them through this torment of getting in the carriers or or being afraid however they are when they have to go to the vet you know and and for that particular ride and it's it's just a terrible terrible thing to have to do and and it's just it's it's so much different being able to do it at home where they're surrounded by everybody they love everybody that they love in their environment I mean think about people you know I was going to say don't we all say we we want to go at home at home that's right okay Lisa we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with more uh talk with Lisa Larson heart to heart is being brought to you by zoonic advisory services on real country 1280 WHVR and over signed now for more heart to heart brought to you by zoonic advisory services with Jackie LeBeau okay we're back and we're talking about end of life issues and my guess this morning is Lisa Larson so Lisa we were talking about you know that difficult decision of when you need to do something and possibly help your animal with euthanasia and I remember years and years ago with our first dog she was suffering from bone cancer and I remember standing there with our vet who I love to death you know Dr. John Fawcett and I was like well how will I know what when is the time when is the time and he looked at me and he said you'll know and I thought that was not helpful well I had uh... it's interesting that you say that because I actually had a similar experience with a vet only he gave me a different answer and it's an answer that I have used with my clients over and over over the years and he said he asked me what is her quality of life and he said if you were to give a percentage and he said if it's seventy percent that she is still really enjoying what she loves to do she's you know eating it eating just like she's always eaten she lays in the sun she stretches out she likes her hugs and purrs and everything else and thirty percent that she's not feeling very good not very good quality of life and maybe it's not time but if it's the other way around if it's thirty percent that she's enjoying things but seventy percent that she's not having a very good quality of life then it's probably time and that yeah and that has helped so much I mean obviously it's still you still have to make that decision and you still have to look at these things and the other thing is you know one I always used to think that it was if they stopped eating that was the defining thing and many times it is more times than not it is but I have seen cases since I've been doing this work where animals that maybe they've got like thyroid issues or they've got they're on prednisone or something like that where they will continue to eat but they will still be ready to go because they would be so miserable so you can't take just one of those things right and say okay well if it's it's eating then fine I'm just gonna keep you know not make the decision you have to take look at that percentage of quality of life how much are they enjoying life and if if really that percentage is not very high then maybe it's time to release them from their bodies yeah I like that that's a that's a good way because people can really look at the different things and it's and it's probably a good idea as you're looking at that percentage I know people are like well I don't want to I don't want to do it too soon I don't want to do it too soon I don't want to take one day away from them but that's probably not the best way to look at it right and my saying is better a day too early than a day too late because the way that I see it and from my own experience as well is that you know when we when we hold on for them an extra day an extra day it's not holding on for them it's holding on for us yes I agree it's holding on because we want that extra day and I always tell my clients you know in 10 years if you um if you do it a day too early then you're going to just remember their lives and remember that they didn't suffer like they would have if you do it a day too late then you're not you're going to be more focused on that one extra day not not that you had an extra day with them but you're going to be focused on that one extra day thinking oh my god I made them suffer yeah or they suffered or it wasn't worse just like what we were talking earlier it wasn't worth keeping them alive for me no right exactly because that's what I said I don't want to ever do this again because I you know knew I had done it for myself so exactly and and you know it's interesting because when um when I got married my husband had never had a cat and I had a cat coming into the marriage but then we adopted well a cat adopted us yes I was going to say they always choose us and it was my husband's first cat that he had a real connection with and he had never had to make the decision to to help an animal cross and when we realized that that cat was very very ill and it was it was getting to be that time I was you know saying what we're talking about now obviously not with the same experience but um from personal experience and um he had a really difficult time with that but we did make that decision that's when we talked to the vet that happened to be that time when we talked to the vet and um it was that vet and um what we came came away with what he's come away with is that he feels so relieved having done it when we did rather than having seen other things since right that he wouldn't have wanted to right he would and you know you just really it's so sad to have that as your last memories you know to see that kind of suffering so oh good and that's what we were kind of talking about earlier if we you know if you have somebody if you listen to something like what we're talking about if you talk to people like the people that you the you know the people that you've had on your show and the that that you've had on your show and you hear them talk then maybe you don't have to have that experience with that maybe you you know just like my husband you know fortunately he had that kind of support and and not just me but our vet and everything else you know he didn't have to go through that same experience that you and I have gone through right in in waiting too long yeah wonderful so now that you you've made that decision what are some of the things that you can do after your pet passes and and I know you gave some of these things because you were very unexpectedly interviewed by John Edward of all people congratulations Lisa and I know you were giving him some things someone can do once they have lost an animal and these are things not only for the benefit of the person but also for the benefit of other animals that may be in your family as well right exactly yeah one of the things that I always tell people and this I've gotten just by talking to other animals out talking to the animals who are grieving is that we have rituals for a reason you know we have rituals things like birthdays funerals graduations all of these things they tell our subconscious that we are saying hello or we are saying goodbye and it puts things these things that we're saying goodbye to it puts them at rest and so it's very important to have some sort of little memorial or service and when you do that if you have animals who have also lost their pet siblings their pet buddies make them a part of it you know do it in the same room with them let them be just like we were talking about earlier that they pick up on our energy they understand what we're thinking because when we think when we speak we speak words with intent when we think we we we emit that energy and our animals feel those things and if we are doing a service of some you know whether it's just sitting and lighting a little candle or you know reading something that you know talking about how you love them or whatever let them be a part of it because that really impresses in their subconscious what I call the coup in Hawaiian it impresses their coup as well so that they can get some closure and say goodbye as well so at least it just on backtrack just real quick here but animals know when another family member animal is passing right I find that too because they always say well they won't know you know that they're dying and I'm saying yes they do they do but what I found is that animals just like people may be more or less you know we talk about having you know we hear about people having being a wise soul a wise old soul you know that they have knowledge maybe that they've brought in from before you know and I feel that animals are that way too I do feel that that animals know when they've passed when their buddies have passed but I don't feel that all of them know to the same degree understand to the same degree because some of them may be a little bit more focused in the present moment focused in their own bodies because there may be younger souls but I also say I also tell them when like if if you're going to have a pet pass at home it's good now the the animals the other animals don't have to be in the room as the you know as the vet is there but it is is you know doing what they're doing but it's good to have the animals come and let them see the body afterwards because even if they know and this is just my experience even if they know on on that level that you're talking about on on another level it makes it easier for them to see because then it's like I know it's come on almost like a confirmation for what they know okay right dude do you know what I mean right and then they see the sort of the result and they can sort to process that and and you know put that away too for themselves exactly because I look at you know when I talk to animals and I'm sure you're you're the same I kind of see them and it's almost like I can talk to them on two different levels I can talk to their higher self which is you know the part of the animal that has all this knowledge and stuff like that and then I can talk to their their little conscious self because that's where their conscious mind is focused and their conscious self if they if they're able to see that body then that it impresses their higher self so I get it I get what I've been feeling all of these energies that I've been feeling oh this impresses their conscious self okay and that makes sense because you know they can sense what's going on but it make pulls it all together for them as well exactly yeah well believe it or not Lisa where we're coming to a close very shortly we have about two minutes so I would like you to tell people how to find you on the internet because you have such a wealth of information and wisdom on your site thank you my uh animal site is pause talk dot net pause like animal pause pause talk p a w s t a l k dot net wonderful wonderful and you have and then also Lisa do you do you have a phone number do you just have people contact you on the web yeah it's seven six oh four four four zero eight one one okay wonderful wonderful and I and I also have some information on my psychic mediumship on that page and I've also got you know another another page for my my mediumship which there's links all over good and I'm flattered all over the end all right now give me let's say the number one more time the phone number seven six oh seven six oh four four four zero eight one one okay and then your mediumship Lisa is that a separate site that's a separate site so go ahead and give everybody that as well it's spirit cat with two a's dot com spirit c a a t dot com okay and that that c a a t is that a nickname for you Lisa I've seen that a couple places yeah it's it's kind of like my moniker I like that I like that cat so that's great I love that the c a a t all right well I'll tell you there's so much more we could talk about and there's so many more things we can tell people that they can do after their pet passes so we might just have to have you come back and spend another morning with us that would be wonderful okay Lisa thank you so much for calling in from California and uh we'll talk to you again someday it's been wonderful so sounds great thank you so much Jackie you have a great day all right you too bye bye okay this portion of hardtard is being brought to you by Zunik advisory services okay that was wonderful with Lisa Larson this morning and she is such a wealth of information and wisdom about animals and her pages are wonderful so if you get a chance check her out okay and next week my guest will be Aviana Castro she's another uh Lisa Williams friend and she's a well known intuitive Aviana is considered one of the pioneers of the mediumship movement throughout the world and has been recognized as one of the most accurate spiritual mediums by her clients her messages have brought solace peace and spiritual insights changing people's view of life their passion and purpose Aviana was born with a gift to see beyond the veil and shares her insights through her readings and writings she continues to expand her knowledge by learning from world-renowned spiritual teachers and avatars but most importantly through her own divine connection with spirit so Aviana will be a joy next week so please tune in to see her and again I remind people if there's a way that I can help you either with ones that you love that have passed or your animals who have passed or that are still in the present give me a call my office number is 717-968-5289 or visit my website jackeylebo.com that's J-A-C-Q-U-I-L-E-B-E-A-U.com okay we'll see you next week have a good week everyone heart to heart with jackey lebo is brought to you by Zunik advisory services the news is coming up next ABC news at the top of the hour