 The first time since 2013, and for just the ninth time ever, no candidate on the Hall of Fame ballot for the class of 2021 received the 75% of the baseball riders vote necessary for induction. Kurt Schilling came the closest, being named not a little over 71% of the ballots, followed by Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in the low 60s. I'm not sure anybody was really surprised about the results. We thought that Schilling might get enough to get over the top this year, but Jack, he was a hot button topic again in all the voting. We get a glimpse of the voting these days because of the work that Ryan Tibidow does on Twitter. So I was not surprised by these results. Bob Schilling had 70% last year. He moves up slightly to 71%. He was on my ballot, but my advice to Kurt Schilling over the years would have been if he had invested in a muzzle, he would actually be in Cooperstown right now. So he came out afterwards and was angry at the voters and said he wanted to be taken off the ballot. That's not going to happen. He will remain on the ballot. 71% of the electorate believe that he was Hall of Famer. It's very hard to get that high of a percentage. Some folks didn't believe that. So Schilling has one more year as do Bonds and Clemens who I don't think are going to get in. They need about 50 plus voters to change their minds for them to get 75%. So I don't think one of the greatest pitchers of all time and one of the greatest hitters of all time are going to be honored that way in Cooperstown. As somebody who has a vote, were you disappointed or do you feel like somebody has to be voted in every year? As an ex player, I think the Hall of Fame should be the best of the best. So I didn't have a problem that nobody got voted in this year as a voter did it bother you? I did not have a problem with that at all. I think that you vote with your belief of who you think should get in that year. I don't think we should force someone in just to have somebody on stage. Now of course this year it was different because last year was canceled. There will be men on stage. You will see Larry Walker, Derek Jeter and Ted Simmons. I put Larry Walker ahead of Derek Jeter in that sense. I'm not sure why I did that right there. But no, it didn't bother me. And then also guys, I know there was a lot made of the fact that there were 14 blank ballots from voters. Schilling fell 16 votes short. To me, if your decision is that no one on that ballot is a Hall of Famer that year, it is within your right to submit a blank ballot. That is your vote. But let me ask you this. I think one of the things that hurt Schilling, well it was a big thing probably, is the things that he said, you're right. There is that kind of morality clause, if you will. I know it's more detailed in definition. But does every writer understand it? Like it's morphed over the years into more what he did on the field than what he does off the field. Is there a clear picture in your mind of what that means? Character, sportsmanship and integrity. Those are the three words that are included in some of the paperwork that you get when you get your Hall of Fame. And Bob, I think we get into that gray area. What does that mean to me? What does that mean to Joel Sherman? What does that mean to John Heyman? And I've said this on one of our previous shows. I don't like to use that as a hammer to suddenly say, well I was gonna vote for this guy, but now since he said those things, bang, he's off my ballot. I've voted for Schilling every year. I think he's a Hall of Famer. Do I think he's a slam dunk Hall of Famer? No, I think you could make a reasonable argument that he's not, but I did not take him off my ballot this year. Well, I wanna get your opinion. Kurt Schilling said he doesn't think of himself as a Hall of Famer, but he had a lot to say about not getting into the Hall of Fame, which I found interesting. But he also said he gets lumped in with bonds and Clemens. As a voter, I don't think you see it that way. I don't think that's true. I also don't believe that he doesn't think he's a Hall of Famer. I interviewed Kurt Schilling enough and what was a really, really good career. And I believe he absolutely thinks he's a Hall of Famer. I don't think he has gotten lumped in with bonds and Clemens. I actually think bonds and Clemens have taken the steroid hit for a lot of other players, fairly or unfairly. Their actions were more overt. I think the suspicion around them was more substantive and I think they're paying the price for that right now. Well, is Schilling's sort of woe is me temperament? Do you think that now hurts him, the things he said after the vote this year? That's a great question, Bob, and you'd probably have to ask every voter individually. For me, I'm still going forward believing that when that ballot comes in again next year, I'm checking the box near Kurt Schilling. You would actually be following what he accused voters of being and saying morally bankrupt if you suddenly took him off your ballot after you've had him on all these years. Well, let's talk about bonds and Clemens then. There's a theory out there that some of the writers wanted to make them wait all the way until their last year and then possibly vote them in. Do you see it going that way? It's a reasonable and plausible theory and I could see the thinking that nine years of not getting in is enough punishment for them. Here's the thing about that flash. If they were sitting right now with what Schilling was sitting at and they were at 71 and they had made incremental progress, I could see another 15 or 18 voters changing their mind. They need 50 plus voters to change his or her mind. People who have decided in the past, many of them for nine straight years that they are not voting for them. So I don't know if sentiment is going to be on their side. So really quickly, I think they started their first year in the 30s or 40s and they've gotten up to the, what, mid 60s or low 60s now. So they have got more votes and it leads us.