 Mae'r gweithio'r cymaint, mae'n cyrraed, rhai'r gweithio'r cymaint, a rhai'r gweithio'r cymaint. Rhaid i'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r cymaint. Rhaid i gweithio'r 28 o'r Gweithio, nes i ddweud, 22 o'r gweithio'r Gweithio, arweinyddio'r gweithio. Maen nhw i'w bellig sy'n ddau o'r newydd oedda, oes yr adeithaire, oes yr adeithaire. Felly mae'n cychwyn iawn i'r adeithaire, oes yr adeithaire a'i fael y cychwyn iawn i'r adeiladau felly gwybod. Llyfr modernом yn dylwyddoedd. Ryebch chi'n gweithio eich cyfrifadol, Llyfr möchte. Llyfr, Cymru yn hynny. Ond, riliad i'r gyfoedd, fel yr hyn yn hyn yn ymgyrch llawer, ond rhaid i'r cyfrifadol yn gychwyn ffawr. Diolch yn fawr, rhaid ar yw'r cyfrifadol? Felly rhaid i chi, Rhaid i chi'n gweithio? Felly, rhywbeth yw'r cyfrifadol? Rhaid i chi? Ier, yw'r cyfrifadol? Rhaid i chi'n gweithio? Rhaid i chi? Rhaid, mae wneud i gael gwybodaeth o'r dweud yn cael bod yn y rhan o'r cymdeithasai yn y cyfanswyr, ond yn gyfanswyr, y Gwneud Ysgrif Weinidog gysylltiadau yn ysgrifennu ddweud i'r gyfanyddio ar gyfer y Cymru yn y cyfanswyr, ac mae'n bethau i gynnig o'r newydd o'r gwrthoedd yn ffysg gweithio o'r cyfanswyr yn cyfanswyr o'r cyfanswyr sydd ysgrifennu, o'r cyfanswyr o'r cyfanswyr o'r cyfanswyr i'w ddweud o gweithio cyflydd yn cyfnodol. Felly, mae'r gweithio arall yn y cyfrannu cael £25,000 ar y gyrsdiwyr ar y hefyd o'r scim. Dwy'r 105,000 yma, ar gyfer y cerddig yn gweithio'r gweithio ar y cyfrannu i gweithio ar gyfer ddiweddau gwirionedd. If the scheme was to prove popular, there were a few possibilities as to how we could fund it beyond the current year, and we would look at these. You can see the proposed application form and guidance notes in the appendices. Luke leads on EV charging matters, and he will also be leading on publicising the grant and supporting parish councils and community groups, so they feel confident as to what is a suitable location for these and how to deliver them. I think I'll leave it at that, but very happy to take any questions, of course. Thanks, Siobhan. Colleagues, any questions for Siobhan? Or indeed that matter, they remember finance. Siobhan. I'm somewhat naive about things like electric charging points. So can I have just a little bit of detail to understand him? Do you have to get an electricity provider's consent for this sort of thing? There's three questions here. Is there a need for a legal agreement to put the point in against a public building? And how do you actually pay, is it by card to the provider of the electricity? Or would it have to go through, say, the parish council if it was a parish council building? Those are the sort of detail I was just worried about. Let me see if I can answer these in turn. So the kind of chargers that we expect parish councils to apply for are the ones that are known as fast chargers. And that is fast as compared to the much faster ones. So although they're faster than just plugging in your car at home to a normal electrical point, they're not that fast. And you wouldn't, in that case, need to do anything in particular with the electricity. You wouldn't need extra electricity. I think I'm using very un-technical terms, but I think you know what I mean. And you wouldn't need a legal agreement to put the charge point in. The way that they usually work is that in terms of payment, there is set up with a payment scheme so that users of the charge point usually through a phone now, it's done in a way which takes the cost of the electricity that takes what they're paying automatically. So then that money is then provided to the parish council minus some admin fees. I feel like I'm not explaining it brilliantly, but it's set up in a way so that the parish councils would be looking to cover their costs of providing electricity. Does that answer your questions? It starts to be on the road of understanding where we're going. I think we threw you in a deep end there, didn't we? What we'll try and do for the rest of the meeting on this item, especially as we'll find some really serious questions that you're going to hate us for. Hopefully Peter's got one. Thank you, Chair. Following on from Councillor Ellington's question and Sean's explanation, I don't think any of my parish councils were nowhere to start with procuring a charging point. I think we're going to have to play dating agency between the parish councils and trusted partners who can advise them. So whether that needs to be factored into the cost or whether the providers will do that as part of the service, I presume we'll be taking a percentage of the revenues further down the road. Yes, I mean, it's probably worth mentioning that we have a couple of parish councils who are sort of well on the way to getting these. And it is, as you say, it's a question of getting a provider of the charge point who then kind of arranges all of the payment system. And the kind of electrical connection and does the whole thing as a package. And we are very aware that support for understanding what is involved will be essential. And so I know Luke is thinking in terms of he's already organised one webinar, which was back in March as part of our planet environment fortnight, but he's thinking towards organising another session so that it'll be able to, so that the process will be able to be clearly explained and people will be able to ask any questions. Thank you. Thanks, John. John, I think you put your hand up and in down again. Did you want to come in on this? Yes, thank you. Two things. First of all, a slight amendment. Can we include town councils in the report as well as parish councils? You only refer to parish councils. So can we make sure that we ensure that it's town councils as well? I think this is an excellent idea. I think people seem to forget. I think most people will think when they think of the charging points in villages, they think that it's mainly for visitors. But actually, an awful lot of people living in villages don't have driveways, don't have the ability to charge their vehicle at home. And therefore, I see these EV charging points as really being very important to those who live in properties where they can't charge their vehicle. And this gives them an opportunity to be able to charge their vehicle. So, you know, it's not just for visitors. And I think I hope parish councils will bear that in mind when they consider these such a scheme. So, no, I'm very fully supportive of this and I hope the committee agrees with me. Thank you, John. Siobhan, I have a question which I hope won't be horrible. How long on average do you think it takes to charge a car for one of the... They're not the ultra, as you say. And I'm looking at probably a colleague here, Jeff, who might well answer this question. How long does it take on average to charge the average car, shall we say? And what happens if you stay on the plug-in and walk away and leave it longer than what it was charged for? So, and I'm looking through the report to see if Luke gave this particular detail. I think it is about sort of six hours, that kind of length of time. It does depend upon the car. It's certainly a reasonable length of time for a full charge. But if you were to plug it in for a couple of hours, you would certainly get enough to take you a bit further. I mean, I think it is probably questionable whether many people will use these for their main charging point. I mean, there are lots of faster options that are available in service stations and other places. Your other question was around what happens if you leave the car beyond its full charge. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't cause any technical problems. Go, Jeff, because he's hopping up and down here. Well, I suppose there is an issue in terms of blocking access for people who would like to charge after you've completed charging. And I think some of the operators start levying a sort of charge once you reach full charge. If that is a penalty for lingering too long. That was the reason for my question, actually, because I know that Melbourne are interested in this. We were raised the other night at the Paris Council meeting, but they have a local bylaw that says there's no overnight parking on their car park. So if someone came along in the evening to plug their car in, they would essentially go... If they didn't have a driveway, so to speak, they would then go into penalty calls, shall we say, when they came back the next morning. That was the reason I asked because I think there are some wrinkles, if you like. Councillor Cohn, Martin. I just wondered whether there's going to be a problem in terms of organisation for the trust, community trust and so on, in terms of getting planning permission, because I suspect that they would need planning permission unless it's perhaps attached to the building, if you're putting a post, a pillar or something, a charging point. Where as parish councils, I think it's probably covered by the local authority permitted development, but for those, how long do you think it's going to take? Is it going to be a problem if you've got a 12 month limit on expenditure? Yes, I'm really wishing Luke was here because he would certainly be able to answer that question. I wasn't aware that planning permission would be required for them, but I can't be sure on that. I think that is something we'll just have to take away, but in terms of spending it within the 12 months, if there is a reason that it's going beyond that, then we're always flexible with that deadline. It's really just a deadline to help move things along. Brilliant. Thank you, Siobhan. John, do you need anything? Are you okay for us to go to the recommendation? I'm fine with this. I think it's a really good suggestion. It's something that we need to be doing. I hope that this is taken up by other districts and also by the county as well, actually, because I'd like to start the county installing more EV charging points, for example, on their lampposts. Hopefully, this might give them a bit of a kick to get on with this. Fantastic. Thank you. Councillor Harvey, Jeff. Yes, thank you, Chair. Of course, I'm not part of this committee. I'm just taking an interest as one of the vice-chairs on the Climate Environment Committee, but I did have some other points just to feed in. I wondered whether there's a reason why I might have misread this. This would be constrained to being village halls or community areas, if you like. For example, in my village, the post office is quite interested in installing a charge point. That's one point. Leading on to another point, it's interesting because hopefully everyone has seen the electric post office vans, but in our village, it's pretty much a local operation. We have two or three local posters who do our village and perhaps some of the surrounding villages. They have to drive their van into Cambridge every night and then back again in the morning specifically to charge it up. I wonder if there's an opportunity to do something with Royal Mail here. I suppose the counter argument is that will complicate things and Royal Mail should really sort themselves out. It's just a point. Picking up on Peter Sandford's point, I do think there would be a lot of advantages from trying to sort of guide our parish councils and limit the number of people sort of contractors bidding for this because one of the issues is that there are so many people in this market at the moment that almost whenever you try and use a public charger, you've got a sort of 10 or 15 minute delay while you download their particular app, work out how it all works. I think really that the best system is the one where you just show it your charge card and it's all done modestly. That's how the one just a few hundred yards from the council officers here in Canborn works, but it doesn't seem to always work. I do think a sort of toolkit of some kind of information that we could give to parish councils I think parish councils really won't know where to start with this. I wondered whether this is viewed as a sort of revenue generating opportunity for parish councils and do we need a sort of overarching policy on that? I think it has to be a sort of central compromise between raising some money for community funds or not making the charge so high that people won't use them. The other thing, again, perhaps not going or trying to constrain a number of suppliers involved I think is maintenance because I noticed that the National Trust at Wimpall have now got about 10 EV chargers and they've got a solar farm and battery system supply though, which is great, but the reliability is really quite poor because I go there every week to do park run and every week there are new ones that aren't working and other ones which weren't working the previous weeks that have been repaired. So I think the overheads in maintaining charge points would obviously be much lower in aggregate if there were a limited number of suppliers involved in this. That's all I've got to say. Thank you. Very interesting points there. Thank you for those, Councillor Harvey. A few points. First of all, so far as opening the grant to post offices and small businesses and such like. The two thoughts there, one is that I think where there is a really good commercial opportunity there are other possibilities in terms of how these can be funded. But I think as a general thing what I would suggest is that we proceed with this for the rest of this current financial year but that when we're looking towards what we'll do in next year and subsequent years we look at that and we look at the arguments around including a commercial organisation and not and there'll be various considerations. I completely agree on your point that it's much easier where the system is that you just show your charge card and that if you have proliferation of different app-based systems that is not ideal and I think that this very much needs to be part of the guidance that we provide parish councils in terms of their options. You mentioned a policy so far as revenue generation for parish councils and I mean we may be wrong but I don't expect that these will certainly in the near future generate large sums of money. There are some costs in terms of maintenance costs that need to be covered and so I think that's probably not something that we need to look at at the moment. Again you know where there are really good commercial opportunities it may be that a fast charger isn't the answer you need a rapid charger and some other organisations are sort of in this field in helping set those up. So those were the thoughts I had I don't know if there are any specific points that you raised that you want me to come back on again. Through you chair, thank you very much for that. I've got a couple that's come out of it actually if I may. Jeff mentioned about the village post office in my opinion but is there anything stopping the parish council setting up the process and installing it wherever they like as long as they have permission to do so it doesn't have to be against the public building but it is the parish council that is doing it. So sitting in the notes businesses are excluded at the moment and I have been able to find what can't be funded but if this is for the use by public the parish council will pay for it for the public to use just in another location away from their own village, carpark or whatever is that doable and the other question if I may is I can't find in here what the average cost of one of these units is I think the average cost is about 8,000 at the moment in terms of where their place of the parish council would need to own that land or if they didn't own it I suppose there might be a possibility of some legal arrangement around it it would certainly be a complicating factor. Can I come in here? I think like we have with the community chest we have to be careful to make sure that the asset that we are paying for is going to be available for the community for as long as it exists and we therefore have to make sure that the land on which it sits is basically owned by the parish council or the parish council has a long lease on it rather than the parish council putting it up somewhere where then within six months it has to be taken away because the land is sold and the new owner doesn't want it so at the moment I think we have to limit it to parish council owned land OK that's great but I just want to make sure that we are exploring everything and certainly saying it out loud Martin please come for the call I think it's a very good idea I'm just wondering how long it's funding if you're going to continue this in future years would the funding from the renewables fund be applicable to this or is this not considered really a renewable investment because it depends on who you buy electricity from what's the position about that? So the current funding is from the renewables reserve in terms of future funding that is one possibility but there are also some grants that Emma will be able to help me with the name of the grant it's the levelling up from money so there is a possibility of it being funded through that we'll certainly look at all the options Emma did you have that? Is that the right name? Is that the right name that Siobhan just said? I was going to say is it OZEV? No, OLED Do you have that? What's it called? The Ultra? It wasn't that when I was thinking of it there is some money that we've recently bid for in association with the other district council's government money it's quite a large pot of money and we're working out how to spend this and the name of it just escapes me at the moment but I know that the economic development team and I think some others from sustainable communities are looking at that. Okay, thank you very much. Jeff? Yes, thank you chair I'll talk about my own village again hoping that it might be typical of other situations around our village hall which I think would be where the obvious place to put it would be the only carparking actually belongs to the cricket club who are notoriously covetous of their carpark and I suppose would be sympathetic to this at all and the only option I could think that could work in Abington would be a charging post outside the village institute and I suppose that would involve putting a sort of conjure under the pavement to sort of reach it or possibly one of these pavement slots that they're using in Oxford so that the charging post itself is on parish council land but you can safely guide it to on street parking I wondered if that's going to be at all possible. Thank you. So that would, I imagine that would bring in some complications in terms of the county council meeting to give authority for that but it's something that I think we need to look into I don't think there's anything about the way that the grant is set up which would prevent that being the case but we certainly, if that works then I can't see why not. Thanks of all. Okay, Dan, we've had a good go at this I think. On page one of your agenda, you've got the recommendations so if you're all happy to go to the recommendations we'll go there and it's recommended that the grants committee, the advisory committee A reviews the proposed structure and the funding criteria for the grants that are out in the penalties AB and also agrees a recommendation to the lead cabinet member to finance to approve the establishment of the electoral vehicle charge point grant. So are we in agreement, disagreement? That's a unanimous agreement. Thank you very much. John, you have a green tick in that one. That's great. Thank you very much. Okay. We go now to agenda item number five. This is the community chest funding applications. Page 13 of your agenda to 24. Emma, is this you? That is, yes. Okay, so we have no applications this month but this paper is on the cost of living crisis adaptations to the criteria. So a little bit of backgrounds. So we know that obviously the cost of living crisis is having a major impact on individuals, families and businesses. This includes people with moderate to good incomes as well as those already in hardship. We know that the increase in day-to-day bills, especially energy and food, is pushing those struggling deeper into hardship and poverty. Those unable to keep themselves warm or feed themselves sufficiently may then develop health conditions which could then present more problems for our health services. So a motion was agreed at full council on Thursday the 22nd of September to declare a cost of living crisis. And one element of the motion was to ask the grants advisory committee to review the community chest grant scheme to consider having applications that demonstrate not only the well-being benefits to their community but also support for those on low incomes and make recommendations to the lead cabinet member for resources or cabinet as appropriate. Therefore, the purpose of this paper is to propose time-limited alterations to the criteria of the community chest grant so that projects that provide benefit to residents and communities affected by the cost of living crisis can be considered. So the grants advisory committee is asked to make recommendations to the lead cabinet member for resources with the grant to the following four points. First one is expanding the criteria to allow parish and town councils of any size to bid for community chest grants that provide a benefit to those affected by the cost of living crisis. Second one is expanding the criteria to allow applications for revenue costs or overheads, for example, salaries, rent, advertising and promotional materials to be included for all projects that provide a benefit to those affected by the cost of living crisis. Third point, including a £20,000 ring-fenced sum for applications referred to in the previous two recommendations and it's proposed that this £20,000 would come from the integrated care system funding which South Cams District Council is administering and which must be committed by the end of March 2023 and that's for the purposes of delivering projects that provide a benefit to those affected by the cost of living crisis. And last and then the fourth point is reviewing these changes to the criteria at the end of March 2023 with a view to assessing whether continued funding is needed to support the cost of living work or whether the changes to the criteria should revert back to the current position. Regarding the extra £20,000 this ring-fenced funding like I said it comes from a successful funding bid made by the council to the integrated care system and the total award being £220,000 to develop a range of projects to mitigate the impact of rising fuel prices on health inequality. So communications and any decision to amend the criteria would include a press release and all other usual comms channels including social media, direct communication with parish and town councils and community groups and organisations. And just a few examples that we've come up with are projects like repair cafes, time banking projects, lunch clubs, community support initiatives that provide food, activities and support services setting up or running of a group or charity where people can obtain free furniture, clothing, food and toys and establishing or building the capacity of food hubs, food banks or community fridges. Guidant notes and criteria including the changes that I've just talked about have been highlighted in grey in Appendix A and this is to reflect the recommendations in this paper. All other criteria such as the upper funding limit, monitoring requirements and the need to return and spend funds would remain in place. And if the committee reject these recommendations we would welcome any alternatives to support the delivery of the commitment made at full council on 22 September. Yes, I'm not welcome any questions. Thanks Emma. It's later. Okay, so I just wondered if this is for the whole of Cambridgeshire is 20,000 enough? 20,000 pounds is it enough to spread it around all of Cambridgeshire or... I think this is until the end of the financial yeah it's until the end of this financial year so I suppose like I said we would be reviewing it because we're obviously coming up so the first applications that we might potentially get would be in November so we just got November December January February March about five months worth so I suppose it's something that we would have to sort of review and see where we are really. Thank you. Sorry, do you mean South Cambridgeshire councillor or Cambridgeshire? We're talking about South Cambridgeshire. The 20,000 refers to South Cambridgeshire not Cambridgeshire. Though I feel it's a big area and you know things like mule and all sorts food is going up so much it's a large area 20,000 I'm just wondering if it would be enough. That's all, I agree with everything but I'm just that's the question I'm asking. But this, okay but this is for set up costs and for setting up schemes it's not for actually purchasing goods and well it's not for purchasing food I mean yeah I'm not sure what to your I'm not sure you if you read the report it's not exactly for what you're thinking it's for I think. Okay then that's good. Okay there are other, we are looking at other I mean obviously there are things like slow cookers and and white goods that could be purchased but this is really about the setting up the capital costs and maintaining the revenue costs of running a scheme rather than actually purchasing you know things like food and clothing or paying for fuel. One thing to clarify we are setting up a community so if from this would we be able to purchase food or that would have to just continue from donations so are you setting up of the hub warm hub comes from a different pot of money comes from a pot of money that Aika has so you should yeah yeah it's not warm hubs is not part of this as such that comes out of a different pot of money Okay thank you. Thanks Aika. John just a quick clarification so it's not for running I just want to make really certain through Emma if I may on page 13 of the agenda Emma on the recommendations bullet point 2 it says they're expanding the criteria to allow applications for revenue or overheads for example salaries, rent advertising promotion materials so as John rightly says it doesn't talk about for argument sake a lunch club it doesn't say that you're buying in the food but it might help contribute or pay towards someone to run it. Exactly right. For all the rent you know all the cost of you know the room etc. Okay thanks John Margin. It's basically the same point I was going to go on with but I think you need to be clear if you're really not going to cover food or food cost for instance because I would regard food in a structure which is providing food to people not as a capital cost but as a revenue cost because it's a cost we're just spending so if you're not going to cover that I think you need to make it clear that that isn't covered in the actual regulation associated with it. We can sort of clear that up yes and put that in the criteria of course. That's quite an important point I think actually so if we were obviously to make our recommendations as asked to do today would we make that recommendation for approval with the criteria that we're actually laying down that make it absolutely blindingly clear that it's not for revenue for food this is or that yeah. Okay Peter. Yeah thanks Jay. Page 16 paragraph 13 has a list of six bullet points which I assume would be the criteria we'd use for assessing any applications but the bullet point actually says low cost meals for those in need so if it's not going to cover food that needs to be rewritten. Okay. Can amend. That's a really good point actually Emma picked up at lunch clubs low cost meals for those in need. That gives the impression you're getting cheap grub. So the actual sort of you know the room higher if they needed to buy potentially sort of plates and things like that and all that kind of stuff sort of capital purchases that would be included but yes we can amend that to make it a bit clearer and remove that section yes. John just if I may thank you. Going back to Sinita's point with regards to is this enough if we're looking at this paper here now and some of the questions coming from colleagues to you throughout Emma is there any possibility of a small top up of this that would almost if you like leave some of these comments and bullets in place that there could be the main bulk of the application for argument saying would be for set up etc etc to do what's actually on the team so to speak but then there might be a small proportion of that that money that could be used to purchase some food items and stuff so that that can start the process off if you're with me because at the moment what we're saying or rather what you're saying is that this is not for the provision of food is to set up there is going to be an issue for argument sake on that page 16 paragraph 13 the bullet point 6 established building capacity of food hubs food banks or community fridges that's great I'll put a community fridge in but it won't be anything in it until we pay for stuff to go in it and then start the process off so I just wonder if there's any leeway in the calculation for the funding whether some could be added to the fund of the 20,000 make it slightly higher or whether or not we could work within that 20,000 to allow a small proportion of the grant application to allow for food stuffs I think that's very difficult chair how long is the piece of string how much food does someone assess they need to start off something this is a partnership this isn't we're not coming in we completely fund 100% a scheme we expect the community to be also putting something into this now we are picking up the big ticket items to enable something to be set up and I think it's fair in those circumstances that those communities that are taking advantage of this are able to meet us by at least contributing something and I think that needs to be because they know that they can judge for example how much food they require that that is their input into this we're not here to provide we don't have the resource to provide subsidised food for everybody we just do not have that ability to do that we don't have the money the open-ended commitment to provide people with food that is something that we must look to others to support us with but at least what we're doing here is enabling people who want to set up a food bank or a lunch club the ability to have a grant to help them with those as I say main items to enable them to run it I don't think it's it's not I think it's fair for us to then expect people to meet us and provide the cost of the actual food etc or the electricity to provide that themselves because otherwise it would certainly cost more than 20,000 and we don't have more than 20,000 we are ourselves in difficult circumstances inflation etc interest rates etc are causing enormous squeeze on this council's finances and we are what we're saying is look even in our difficult circumstances we're able to come and help you but we can't do it all I'm sorry we just do not have the resources to financial resources to pick up that's basically for government to sort out not for local government and what we're saying here is that we want to help and we will help but we can't do it all and this must we must be a partnership to deliver this we can't do it on our own we don't have the financial resources to do it on our own okay thanks that's really clear and that's not a problem I just think that colleagues colleagues have expressed concerns that the wrong message is being given within the paper so we just need to be really clear about what we will and won't do we've had quite a bit rounding discussion and perhaps the first things I was going to say have already been taken into account but I find my first impression was that this new grant I couldn't find how much we were actually saying we were going to give I read paragraph 14 as that's the community chest we're continuing to give 2000 it didn't say that the new grant was going to be 2000 and I think that needs spelling out if you see what I mean to me there were two grants being talked about under 13 and 14 two different criteria and therefore under 13 it would be good to see that say there will only be 2000 per project the second thought that I had was yes it's only going to run five months 2000 into 20,000 is only 10 projects and we have a lot more villages and village groups than that and we may be slightly overwhelmed by the number of applications and I was going to ask before John started his last conversation that under 8 it says that there was 220,000 pounds put into the ICS fund and I wondered whether we knew what that has currently produced apart from allowing us to have 20,000 for this new grant and whether that might have a little underspend on it and we might actually find a spot or two to encourage more than 10 applications Emma, Emma, thanks Just in relation to your first point about how much could be applied for 0.15 of the main report it says that all other criteria including the upper funding limit monitoring requirements and the need to return unspent funds would remain in place so it's as it is broadening the criteria to include these projects and this is actually like we said it's a ringfenster amount within there so I hope that answers that bit Do we have any other points Marty? Coming back to the food element again it's just a thought but often presumably a lot of the food would be from donations these schemes tend to be like that and when you get donations of food you tend to get certain types of things and not others so you may find that you have a shortage or difficulty getting some form and there might be a case for saying small proportions of the funding was allowable for food that you couldn't get from other sources but I also realised it might be difficult to enforce that but it's just a thought that you might think about having some flexibility a little bit of flexibility in that to think about that but I understand by the limited resources you've got that may just not be possible just a concern Okay, thanks Marty Emma? I know that communities are very supportive of these and I think like we say in a lot of donations do come from individuals and also I'd just like to note that a lot of supermarkets donate surplus food as well so I don't think that would be a major problem I do know that because it Morrison's came on a very supportive of local initiatives as well so I think that probably and also if you've got a community fridge as well food can be kept for longer as well so we don't just have the non-perishables we have a mixture of food as well for a lot of these initiatives Great stuff, okay, thank you so we've had a lot of questions I think we've put John on the spot enough for the moment but thank you John to be fair we had to ask the questions I think and that was obviously picked up a few little wrinkles in the documentation that could be tweaked so if it's okay with everybody we can go to the recommendations now we've got four recommendations would you like to take them individually or one at a time I'm minded to to say take them all at once you've read them if you like I'll go over them again would that be helpful to go over them again yep or you can all read actually what would you like to do gang? no there's nobody there they're now avidly rereading their recommendations it's okay when it all goes quiet we get a picture of an empty room because the camera because you're all sitting on one side the camera focuses on the opposite side it looks like there's no one there I think what I'm going to do then is I'm going to leave my mic on and I'll soon come closer and we'll dance I'm looking at the gang in the shadows I think we're going to take them all together if that's okay we've made our points very clear and we've had very clear answers this is for a short period until March of 23 the end of the financial year so my recommendation to the group is that we accept the four bullet points under recommendations on page 13 and the top of page 14 which is the fourth bullet for all of those recommendations as listed are we in agreement? yes thank you both John and Emma for being so candid and I thank the gang down here for putting you on the spot which is even better and that will move on then so I think actually that was the last piece of business so the date of the next meeting will be 25th November thank you very much thank you all much obliged, have a safe trip home for those who aren't at home and for those who are stay safe keep warm