 In the very beginning when the when the DNSO was formed then there were these constituencies and and then the council. The council was supposed to be the synthesis of the discussions in the constituencies but there was no forum where ideas from different constituencies could be exchanged and so me started what then became the general assembly of the of the DNSO and somebody proposed me to chair to put my candidate for chairing the the general assembly of the DNSO and I said no listen now I'm in no constituency I'm just a plain user I'm I'm not connected with with this world anymore and the answer was in that case we are the best person to do it and so I ended up in chairing the the the general assembly of the of the GNN of the DNSO and I think that that's why I'm saying this because it was the the first attempt to bring at a level that is not the top level the council the decision making bodies but to bring the discussion among constituencies and and I'd like to see this as the first step to multi stakeholder is from the bottom up so it was an interesting experience it was a challenging experience those who have lived those days remember that we were flooded by emails we had to set up rules in order to to limit insults and and all this