 Let's start the meeting then at 6.30. The first thing to check in is addition to the agenda. Do we have any? That's okay. Second is review of the minutes from October 3rd, 2022. Does anyone have any comments on those minutes? Okay, is there a meeting, a motion with regard to those minutes? Are we going to approve the minutes? I second that. There's a motion and a second to approve the minutes of October 3rd. All those in favor, please say aye. Opposed? The ayes appear to have it. The ayes have it. Welcome. Welcome. We are down to public comment. Oh, okay. Could somebody click on got it so that we can see the screen better there? Thank you. And welcome, Chris, from more comedians. So public comment. Okay. Either public here or I see people there. Maybe enough public. Nothing? Yes, yeah. Okay, so no public comment. So just thinking a little early, 6.30. Next time, 6.40. But this is the company fire department here. Will you expect any more people? I see. I can't tell, they're in there a little. Because we can fit something else in there. I think we can. You guys are waiting for somebody. We can do that? Sure. If we see if there is. You okay with that? I believe you. I think we are. We're just checking to see if the chief is here. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that I'm not rushing anything. Yeah, Larry's here. Okay. Sorry, late. No, you're not late at all. We're a little early. So they actually started the meeting before I did the docket. So it's like. I was just going by that clock. You're worried. You're going by a different clock. You had that clock in your truck, right? Yeah. What clock? My question is 630. That's right. So, East Palm Player Fire Department requests to use capital funds to purchase power lift system. I think that's the agenda item. Yeah, I'll start. Is there something you need to do? It's the similar system that we looked at last time. Right. And what we found with it is I just started video to people don't know what this system is. It's really been a fact saver and a safety factor for all of our staff. We have more and more emails in our staff and we're getting more and more to run the system and to pick up a big person. It's literally very difficult for even two of us, even Paul and Sandy to lift some of the people we're picking up. So the auto load system has been very well used. We now come into the winter months where we put it, we put it rescue four, which is the older ambulance in the service. And by putting it in there, we can run that ambulance for six months and still have a safety factor for all of our personnel. When we go purchase a new ambulance in two or three years, that system will come right out of it and go into the new one. So we're not wasting any money not doing anything. It's just a matter of transitioning over. Sandy's already contacted the manufacturer and the installer. And that's what they do on most ambulance services today. Currently in the capital budget, we have about 157,000. And that was as of August because we're always a month behind. We won't get the next figures until the end of this month of September. Call volume has been up. We're running a total of each month. About 60 total calls, probably 40 to 50 ambulance calls and the rest are fire or burn permit type related calls. So call volume is up. We're still trying to recruit staffing has been a big thing to try to get staffing to help us out. But we are functioning and I don't want anyone to get injured. This was brought up at the company meeting. The board unanimously approved this purchase based upon the select board's approval. And we brought it to the membership last Tuesday night and that was unanimously approved also as a membership. Several people talked about the safety benefits of it and just how beneficial it is. Oh, we have crews of just two people and to lift a big person. What I did is on this video here if anybody wanted to see it, we took the, today we took a Alex who was six foot seven, 285 pounds. We put him on the cot. The cot weighs 150 pounds itself. So that meant that whoever lifted him into the ambulance would have to lift 430 or 40 pounds into the ambulance. So he usually takes two big boys to do that with the power lift. It's a one finger operation to lift. It goes right into the ambulance and put him right in. So we're asking that we can take the money as we did before from capital, purchase this or rescue for it. So I just got a couple of questions. One is when you take somebody out of the house you're on a stretcher, right? Not necessarily. We take them out in the stair chair. We sell them, bring the stretcher into the house and the list is a ramp and there's no more than two stairs. We won't bring the stretcher in, we use a stair chair. That brings them out. They're easier to handle in a stair chair. They're strapped in. It's got wheels on it like a wheelchair. Oh yeah. We bring them down the stairs outside, right up to the cot. It's lower to them. Then we transition them over to the cot. Lock them down with safety belts and then raise it up. So we're not doing any lifting. The fifth thing has been a big problem. Yeah, I was just thinking that you've got to take somebody from upstairs down to the stairs and stretcher. It's like ooh. No, never get the stretcher in. Today we have a lady over here where we got to get on 15 stairs. She was a little bigger person. We put her in the stair chair, two of us. We're up to the stairs. The stair chair has a mechanism, a track mechanism where we lower the tracks and just slide right down the stairs. The cot was outside, transition the person to the cot and we're in the ambulance. Perfect. So what's the cost? This one? The cost is $27,000 or $28,000. So I'll address the cost of it. The bid for a striker to sell us that power lift that they manufacture to put into our, is $30,000, $27,000 plus. And then another $2,000 to install it by specialties down in Massachusetts or Connecticut. So we're looking at $30,000 and we'd like to be more approved for $30,000, $35,000. Just to make sure we are covered for getting two guys down there, dropping off the ambulance, bringing someone back or bringing them both back, going back down, picking them back up, pick up the ambulance for back. They need the ambulance for a few days to install. So it's gonna be around $30,000, $30,000, maybe $31,000. If you can approve us to spend up to, say $35,000, no more than $35,000, it's something that we would, a little last one was around $30,000. That's what I was gonna ask you, what was the last one? Yeah, the last one was about $30,000. $30,000, that was done like last March. Yeah. So that's why we just wanna make sure if anything has gone up a little bit and cover our travel down, travel back, just to make sure we aren't shorting ourself when if we say $30,000 comes up, $31,000 or $32,000. Yeah, I was just wondering how the cost has gone up since that spring. It has a little bit. It has a little, but not too bad. Right. Not like diesel fuel anymore. Right. And then the other thing is, you answered the question about transferring to a newer ambulance, because it's a pretty good investment and if you can just move it, then, you know. So they charge $1,000 to take it out of the old ambulance and another $2,000 to install it into our new ambulance again. Yeah, yeah. Which are, and that is something that they said, that they're a bit of a drawback to. And that should be a 20 or 25 year lifespan. These things have a long lifespan. Yeah. And hopefully that doesn't go up. Like, you know, they're telling us now, it's looking like three years from now or four years from now, our new ambulance. Maybe our new ambulance, maybe the ambulance that we have may last a little longer, but we don't know, but that's where we're at right now. Maybe five years, but that $1,000 to take it out, $2,000 to install, maybe, yeah. We'll be saving the cost of buying that power unit all over again. Yeah, it is. And how much life do we have left in each unit, each of our ambulance units? One of the ambulance is just five years old, so that's got another 10, 10 plus years. The ambulance we're putting in is the 2010. It was due for replacement in 25 or 26. So three more years. If it runs longer, we run it. We don't always replace on the dates that we have set for capital investment. If it's running and there's no mechanical problems, we'll run it as we've done with all the other ones. Yeah, it's just to educate us. Same we do with the town. Yeah, yeah. Does anybody want to see a two minute video of it? Sure. So if you haven't seen it yet, and let me just see if I can give this to them. This is a manual stretcher. Stretcher weight 125 pounds of yard, 10 pounds of equipment, we go 150. So what we normally would do is pull that stretcher back. Alex is a larger person. Alex is 67 to 85. We got a person, which is rescue three. You want to go over 70 emergency agreement. So the key after a two 70 emergency agreement here is the power of the system. So when Alex gets in, it's over 440 pounds on top. Again, it's over 400. And so we have one person now to try and take Alex out. We are at the ambulance. So there's Alex on the crew to just show you that if we had to lift him, we're putting him back in. He was on the ground. So Mark's going to push the stretcher back in. So that's the benefits of it. So that's when any person on our squad can lift three, 400 or up to a 700 pound person in the ambulance. The biggest thing for this is when we get to the hospital at the back, we back in. One person pulls it out one hand, pushes the button, it loads, we pull the person in the hospital, wheel it up to the hospital bed, adjust the height. And it's usually four or five people that slide them over or we use a special hover mat to slide a heavy person across. So this is a huge safety factor, especially in slippery conditions in the winter time. That's what we're looking at. And we'd like your approval tonight to appreciate other questions. Great idea. All the ambulance services around us are running these. Montpellier, Barretown, Williamstown, everybody around us runs a power lift system because of the staffing and because of the ways we run in too. You want me to try and make a motion on this? Sure. It shouldn't be that hard. I don't see you jumping in. Well, I'm not supposed to, but I can. Yeah. I make a motion that the slideboard pass a motion to approve the use of capital funds to purchase a second power lift for the fire department up for a cost of up to $35,000. Yeah, can we specify that it's East Montpellier Fire Department capital funds? Yeah. Okay, I'll second it. We could probably make that work. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, so we need a second. I second it. Oh, you second? Yeah. Any further discussion? No? Okay. All is it there if you say that? Aye. Aye. The eyes are clear to have, they do have. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. Thanks for coming in. Looking forward to disturbing the town as it's easier, safer and quicker. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Okay. So we're a little early on the health insurance options. I assume that Terry Marneau is going to zoom in. She'll be. Yes. So why don't we try to get through like the list of errors in the mission revised request? Yes, they sent it. There's no, is there anybody coming into talk about that? I don't believe so, no. Okay. We were a little confused last time. Yes. They corrected showing an increase of that .89 on one and then a decrease on another person. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, too. So they corrected that. Mm-hmm. And then also you have a document there, said that there's a little flag. I think it's on the second page. It's in your stack that's above the warrants. That assuming you all approve this as restated, there's a document that the select four members would also sign as well. That was something new that, you know, they're learning some of these processes. We have some new people with those serves and so they're kind of learning to have a top five across the T's, so. Yeah. Okay, so what we approved last time it was an error in itself. Okay. So I voted against that for procedural reasons. Thank you for capturing that, Deirdre. So I will move to reconsider and reject our approval of the changes of the assessment to the 2022 as Bill Grand List as submitted by the Listers to the October third meeting of the select board. So, wait a minute. We added in for last year, the $6,300, didn't we? On last meeting. Because what they did is they changed the. I thought I would just start with a clean agenda. Okay, please. Just taking it away. All right. We can just do that one. Just undo what we did last time and then accept. Right. Yeah. Do you wanna do it differently? Well, no, I'm just saying that when we added in the $6,300, that was accurate. It's just an end to two requests. Right. It's just simpler. Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Yeah. Okay, I'll do a new one. Okay, I'll do a new one. Yeah, okay. So the motion's on the floor. Second. I'll do a favor, please. Seven. All right. So we're undoing that. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'll make a new motion to accept the changes of us to approve the changes of assessment to the 2022 as Bill Grand List as submitted by the Listers to the October 17th select board meeting. Today's select board meeting. Yeah, that's just the adjustment. It doesn't look like there's a head and head at the end. It looks like it's been reviewed. It's actually a net reduction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you have a motion to adjust the Grand List according to their request. Correct. Yeah. I'll second it. Yeah. Is there any more discussion on that? Anybody have any questions? All those are favor, please say out. All right. Okay, the eyes appear to have it, do we have it? Okay, so that takes care of the errors and omissions. Oh, we still got a few minutes here. What about the cemetery? We have to have people here for that. John Houshé may, I think he's planning to attend for that. Have our consideration of Eastpaw for the Gully Dome. Yes. That's usually pretty straightforward. You've got three hazard views, this request, and it is comfortable with it. Is this pretty standard? Yes, it's the same. Standard road crossings? Yes. Yeah, right here. Same as prior year. Same ones. Yep. Snow Hill Road, Colburn Center Road, Agington County Road. So we just need a motion to approve those, that request. I move to approve the Eastmoncular Gully Jumper's request for road crossings at four places as detailed in their letter of October 13th, 2022, to the select board. Your seconded. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The request is approved by the Gully Jumper's. The other thing that we could talk about is discussion of front porch forum post of agendas. This was brought up at the last meeting by Dr. Wayne. I was proposing that we, that I would include a post on front porch forum at the same time as emailing the agenda, posting it to the website. Right. Basically providing a link to the website. Yeah. The reason I proposed the link, actually I was somewhat taking that because this was actually mentioned to the prior town administrator shortly before, I believe it was at an April meeting before he left. And he commented that he was trying to get people to go to the website to get information. So the reason I was proposing, posting the link to the website as opposed to the actual agenda was to try to get people to go to the website because there's additional information on the website. Yeah. The annotated agenda and all of the documents that are posted there that someone might not otherwise see. Yeah, see, fine. Fine. We could. Yeah. Jean and I discussed this a little bit ahead of time. I think it's great to post that link to the webpage because it's continuously updated and especially with the very helpful annotated agenda that comes up shortly before the meeting starts. And people can get a lot of their questions answered that way. And just for the fun of it, I selected everything in today's agenda from the PDF but I posted it into what would be a front porch forum post into the format on the web. And these little funny arrows, these bullets on here, they came out as some unintelligible sign. But other than that, it was just completely readable. And to increase transparency, to allow townspeople to see easily without clicking through on something, what we're going to be talking about, I think it's fine to, I think it's helpful to follow Michael Dwayne's suggestions and just add it that way. It won't look beautiful, but the information is there. Front porch forum is not designed to look beautiful. Unfortunately, you can do hardly any formatting on it. And just so I'm clear, so the proposal is to include the agenda itself with a link to the website. I would actually just copy and paste this page as you see. Yeah, right. Which would inherently include the link to the website. And so it's not going to be too bulky for a front porch forum? I mean, I don't know where we are. No way. It does take a little time for two things. It's a longer posting. Yeah, I'm just saying it's a long posting, just staying on there, but you know, just mixed in with the used tires for sale. Yeah, some ones are that short. I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine with me. I mean, yeah. I can copy and paste it in and we can see how it goes. The only concern that I do have is that I will then have people calling and asking me to email because this has happened in the past. I get that. Email them and it's related to this one. And then I will email back a link to the website. Right, once again. If that becomes problematic, I will let the board know because then I will request that we pull back on this poster from porch forum. Yeah, just because it's going to tie up a lot of time. Yeah. If I'm having to respond to a lot of entries with links to the website, then I would rather go back to the way things have been. And I think that's why Bruce was hesitant to do this back then. Yeah. Or just have a standard email saying everything for the meeting is on the website. It still takes time to respond to those inquiries. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. We're living in a time when democracy is under threat around the country and around the world. And what we can do to increase transparency here, I'm in favor of it. Well, we need to on every town sign a lot of problems. Just perception. Perception is where it is. Yeah, understood, but we just need to be mindful of any added burden on our staff. We don't want to take too long. Oh, absolutely. We'll just see how it goes. Yeah, we put a lot of information on the website. So unfortunately, if people did go to our website, information is there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People, unfortunately, today don't want to seek information in a lot of cases. It's too bad we couldn't make some automatic reply that wouldn't tie up your time. Yeah, man. It's possible to make a template to a lot of email programs where you just say, thank you very much. But with a template, I still have to respond to that person copying and pasting that template in and still click send. It still takes time. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And our job is to serve the public. And if we need to educate people to go to our website, then we need to educate people to go to our website. Yeah, we put a lot of work into making that website usable for townspeople. I know I do that work. Yeah, it's tough to do anything in 35 hours a week. And if they don't know that it's there, then that work is for naught. Which is why I was proposing posting the link to the website, because I thought that would provide people better information to go start going to the website. That was the intent of my proposal. Yeah, your intent actually was to say on Frontport Forum there's a meeting and the information's on the website. I was actually trying to drive traffic to the website as opposed to continuing to send people away from the website. That was my intent. I kind of like that. Well, if you do that, people have to go click twice to find the information first. They have to click on the link in Frontport Forum. And then they have to find the agenda on the website. I would argue if someone was interested, they would likely want to click and get their information. It's no easier if hip reply to me just as it happens with the county road posts as well. The hip reply to me and send an email that way, because that's the other thing that Frontport Forum enables. How do they know if they're interested in a topic if they can't see in Frontport Forum that it's going to be discussed? Well, let's just try it for one meeting and we'll see what happens. If you're flooded with stuff, then we're going to have to pull back and just do the website. Yeah. Yeah. You could probably put a note in there. It says, please don't call the office. Check the website. Yeah. That would be the standard statement. Bold. Yeah. Sure. County administrators, the office staff is not equipped to deal with questions. I'm going to just copy this as is. I'm not going to have it ended in any way, because we're going to do, if we're going to process it, it needs to be just as it, as the morning stands. I don't really want to add any other commentary to it. Yeah. So that's what I will do. OK, thank you. Yeah, there is another tweet that you could do. Select Board members could be contacted. I've actually considered that. And then you wouldn't have to deal with it. Since you brought that up, I had a person. I kind of like that idea, actually. A person in town mentioned that they don't know how to get a hold of select board members, because our phone numbers are on the website, so it's our names. Yeah. Oh, by phone numbers? I think yours might be. Yeah, I think the chair would like this. But I don't even know who others are. Well, that's OK. I have noticed on other town sites, emails and phone numbers are available for select board members. I mean, I don't know if my email's on. I think we should have town emails if we're going to have our emails posted there. That's what we used to do. Gmail to tell you up to 10, I think, or maybe 15. So a new account, separate from your personal email. Yeah, and when you leave, then you disable that. And then when a new person comes on, you just end one as direct to the other. Yeah. There's no extra cost to that if you've stayed under a certain number of emails, email addresses. Yeah. In the past, we had issues with the cost of adding more than, I forget, half a dozen email accounts to the town system. But I don't know where we're at with that. Microsoft, there would certainly be a cost, because I believe that with 3B of Microsoft 365 license to activate an email through the actual town email. You can just do it through email. That's how we do ourselves. No, I've never did it myself. And every time I've taken a job there twice here, I've never set up my own email account. I was already there waiting for it. So you have to buy a Google suite. You have to pay Google for that service. I mean, that's the way we do it at the radio station. I don't know if municipalities have to pay. I'm not sure. If we went over a certain number, we would have to pay. But under a certain number, and I can't remember if it's 10 or 15, you don't have to pay. Could you do an investigate how hard it does it? Let us know. I could. I'm going to be gone, though, but I can do it online. Well, that's right. You're going to be gone. In the next week, October 26th. They have an network of administrators to take care of it. Yeah. I mean, I don't mind if it was my own email. I don't quite like it. It doesn't matter. You don't mind. You don't mind. You don't email out there. Well, it is already out there. Yeah, I guess they're kind of pissed. The biggest thing is my email. I always had a problem with having a work related email on my personal email. So when you're doing work for the town, even if you're on a select board, if you start having discussions like that, then you're technically discoverable. They can go in and take your email. Thought I'd have anything secret on my email, but who cares? I mean, I'd just rather not give someone the opportunity to do that. I mean, I make sure that I'm in a lawsuit. I make sure that I email, when I email, I copy. Blind copy, the East Montpelier, vt.gmail.com, or East Montpelier, I guess, at gmail.com, so that the town has a copy of the email. So people making public records requests can go there. And I also try to put in my signature for animal control office or a select board member so that if I get a public records request, I can easily do a search and find those emails. But it's just so much easier if I have a separate account. Well, we can do that. I just think that if we're gonna go to post our agenda on front post form, people, they got requests. It's not really fair to the office to have to answer all those. Select board members are equipped to do that. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I like to do. Makes it us better at doing your job. Right. Get those questions. But if you wanna just do it on your email, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have any problems. Well, I was actually gonna say that for now, I think one thought that occurred to me was do we set up an email and I could reach out to Arbitech to find out what the cost would be of one email that is selectboard at EastmontFiliarBT.org. Yeah. The problem is if someone wants to speak to one of you individually or communicate to you individually, it wouldn't negate that. Right. Yeah, and I think it should be clear whether a person is speaking as a select board member or for the select board. Yeah. Calling it select board. And then I get to see the forum situation too. Yeah, that's good. All of it. That can stick in. That can stick in. Right. We all respond. Yeah. No, well. Yeah. All right, so for now we're just gonna front, we're gonna post it, see what happens. Yeah, I'll just call, but I'm gonna ask them how they do that. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Never pay any attention to it before because they didn't have it. Well, it was automatically, they just gave it to me. Well, I remember when we discussed it earlier. Oh yeah. No. It sounds like a good idea to me. And it sounds like a good idea to put, I don't mind putting my email on the post. People get questions fine. Yeah, so you'll check in to Hardwick and Gina, you're gonna check in with RV Tech about the cost of setting up additional emails on our account. I can ask them. I know the cost is rather high. I've just set up Microsoft. I gotta do that Google thing or whatever your type of thing. Yeah, just Google. Yeah. Because that's definitely a much more involved process. Hardwick BT.org is what? Call us. That was that, thanks. emails. Call us. Look for it has their own emails. Oh, look at the trouble there in. So that's not good. Yeah, well, when they get in trouble, they can write it off. Oh, well. Okay. Okay. All right. So I guess we're done with that discussion. Gina, you have any more to comment on? You're good. Okay. So we're gonna move to the health insurance options. But Terry Martino was now with us on the zoom. Welcome. Thank you. You're very, very. Oh, that's a little bit of a feedback in there. Feedback in there. I think it's picking up. It's kind of remotely. Well, we can certainly hear you. I bet you can. I don't know. I don't know. We're gonna be able to do this very loud. But it's not too loud now. You turn it down. Is this mic is right here? Maybe. Yeah. I think that's what it is. I think it's picking up. Okay. Well, thank you for having me join you this evening. Terry, can you hear us now? I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. Perfect. I can still hear myself, but that's, that's all right. I'll try to ignore myself. Well, you should be able to hear yourself. That's like a reverberation. It's weird. You say you don't like what you hear from yourself. Oh, that didn't sound good, did it? Okay. So you're going to walk us through this health insurance options, I assume. If that's what you'd like from me, I'm happy to do that. Sure. Well, what's your perception of what you're supposed to be doing for us? Could be here and answer any questions that you might have, but I'm happy to walk through it and that might help first some questions. Do you have copies there in front of you? Yes. Okay. Perfect. Okay. So from the information that I have, I'm showing that you have all of the current enrollment under the platinum plan, one of the exchange health plans. I think you offer both Blue Cross and MVP, but everybody's enrolled with MVP currently. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. So you may or may not have heard, this is a terrible renewal season in the health insurance business. Super, super high rate increases. Blue Cross Blue Shield had an average approval of across all their plans of 11.7% increase for 2023. And blue, I'm sorry, MVP had an average overall increase of 18.3% increase. Now the plans within the exchange, with, you know, individually with Blue Cross and with MVP, the rate differentals are a little different, but that was the average. So for the platinum plan with Blue Cross Blue Shield, that one, that plan actually received a 12.7% increase over 2022. And that's shown at the bottom. And then the MVP for the same plan had a 19.72% increase. Now that's a ginormous increase, but as you can see, the MVP rate is still slightly less expensive than the Blue Cross rate. You know, the differential was much greater last year and it was a clear, you know, stay with MVP. It's getting closer and closer now. The peach highlights, or orange or whatever color that is, that denotes a change from 2022 to 2023 in the plan design. So at the very top with the platinum plan, you see where it says, so on the very far left-hand side, it's kind of a short schedule of benefits. The column in the middle is your platinum plan. Yep. The top row under the primary care position. Today it's a $15 co-pay. Yeah. For 2023, it's sort of a little bit of an enhancement. Members get three primary care position visits. That's what that PCP stands for. They get three free visits to see their primary care position. So that's each covered member of the family. As you know, your preventive care is covered in full. This would be three visits because you're not feeling well. Okay, so you get three of those free in 2023 and then the $15 co-pay kicks in. Looks like 20, but, or is that, oh, that's gold plan, right? That's the gold plan. That's just another option. You know, it's the next level from the platinum. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the only change around the office visits. It remains the same for your specialty care. It's a $40 co-pay. If you need to see a chiropractor, it's a $20 co-pay. As I said, all your preventive care, which is your well-person visits, mammograms, pap tests, colonoscopies, those types of things are all considered no-member costs. And then other services, which would be things that are not considered to be office-based. So that would be, you know, maybe lab work, a hospital stay, an x-ray. Those things are all subject to the deductible, which is down at the bottom. And the annual individual deductible for 2023 has gone up to $425. It was $400. And then the family deductible went to $850 from $800. So all those, you know, non-office-based services that I was just describing, you'd have to pay the deductible first and then benefits are paid at 90% and the member pays 10% until they've reached their maximum out-of-pocket down at the bottom. If for individuals it's $1,500 and for families it's $3,000. So question at the bottom of the column on the left, the first set of, the first list, there is an asterisk and it says, integrated deductible, where is the previous asterisk? What's that referring to? I apologize, it doesn't correlate to the platinum plan. That is actually for one of the silver plans. Okay, we can cross that off. You can, yes. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Sure. And then in the second and third column, just before it lists the deductibles, it says, stacked deductible. Could you explain what that term means? Absolutely, thank you, good question. Stacked, so this term stacked is only applicable if you are enrolling in a two person or family plan. If you are enrolling in single coverage, it doesn't apply, okay? But what it means is if you have one or more people on the plan, if you have to say, for example, one person who's more ill than the other family members, each individual person in the family meets their own deductible, their own individual deductible, and then moves on to post deductible benefits. So in cases where you have a family of three, maybe, and one family member is utilizing the medical care more than the others, that family member can go ahead and meet their $425 deductible, get right on to their post deductible benefits. The other family members will meet either collectively together or one other person will meet another $425, and then the whole family deductibles met, and then everybody moves on to post deductible benefits. That makes sense? Two person family, both members have to hit 425. If it's more than two people, you just need two people in your family to meet 425 than everyone else, no longer has to meet the deductible. Correct in order to meet that family deductible, that is correct. But if only one person or only the individual meets 425, it isn't necessary for that other 425 to be met before that first person goes on to their post deductible benefits. Okay, good. I just want to make sure that was clear. But yes, you're correct. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. The other thing to note is prescription drugs out-of-pocket is noted sort of two thirds of the way down. Yeah. $1,400 is the maximum out-of-pocket exposure if you have single coverage, or I should say for an individual. And $2,800 is the maximum that somebody can pay in prescription drugs annually. For the family. Okay. But in order to get your true out-of-pocket exposure, like if I used all the medical services available to me, what is my maximum out-of-pocket exposure? You have to add the $1,400 RX out-of-pocket to the $1,500 medical out-of-pocket. So the true out-of-pocket is really $2,900. Yep. For an individual. Thank you for pointing that out. Yeah. So the RX doesn't count towards the... That is correct. They are not integrated. They're not integrated, right? And I'm sorry, non-preferred brands, so if you are, you know, it's a drug that, what does non-preferred land mean? Non-preferred brands are generally prescriptions that are, maybe haven't gotten their... Oh, my God, my God, I'm trying to stand. They've got, they've got, they've got... They're FDA approved, but they're not on the formula, and that's where I'm looking for. So each carrier has your own formulae. So a non-preferred prescription drug, you would, the member has to pay half of that. The insurance carrier pays to pay percent, and the member pays the other 50% to a cap of $1,400. So if I get the term right, the not being on the formulae, it's not a common medication. Correct, correct, correct, correct. More novel disease as opposed to insulin or whatever. Insulin is actually something that's considered to be preventive, and that's covered, the best of everything. But you're right. Something that could be like a compound drug or, it's not usually, it's not common. It's not common. Okay, does that help? Does that help? Yeah. So there's not a whole lot to say about the platinum plan other than the fact that it's getting a pretty large rating rate, but it's still less expensive than blue-brown. And unfortunately those are our only two options, the cross-benum treatment. Yeah, yeah. And in terms of benefits and just people's experience in dealing with Blue Cross and MVP, how would you characterize them for the platinum plan? Are you asking that? I think that is neat. Yes. The same. The same. They literally, they both have a national network of providers. It's a standard exchange plan, so the benefits have to be exactly the same from carrier to carrier that's legislated, federally-led, mandated. So there really is no difference aside from the rate. Right. So is there any reason why we would want to go with the Blue Cross plan then? Not in my recommendation, no. Unless you've heard from your members that they're having total money, I'm happy. I honestly have not heard from your members, so. Last year both were offered just to pay for Blue Cross. I don't know, but the 2% difference in them now is someone would not go ahead and opt to pay for Blue Cross if the board wanted to offer both again. Thank you for that reminder, yeah. So if we offered both, would they have to pay the difference? That's how the sentiment happens. That's right, that's right, yeah. But they weren't allowed to elect Blue Cross last year, it's just the town, they would have had to pay an 8% the difference between the two. Yeah, and is there any extra administrative burden or other cost on the town to make something available in that way as opposed to saying you must take MVP? It's just added work for payroll. Yeah, right. It would have been, I mean, regardless, the same as last year. Do we have more questions for Terry? No. No. Well, I thank you for your time. Well, thank you for your time. Actually, let me ask you a related question, but not directly related to the decision that we're making about this. And that is over the weekend, I was talking with somebody who's arranging a Bernie Sanders event tomorrow about the number of medical claims that are denied around the country and the tiny percentage of people who appeal those denials. And apparently, a lot of people don't know that you can't appeal those denials and what your chances of success are. What advice do you have to us to pass on to our employees about appealing denials of medical coverage? Absolutely, always appeal a medical denial. I'm a former 20-year employee with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont and have been with Hickok and Boardman for the last six years. Insurance companies make mistakes. They're human beings like everyone else. Providers make mistakes and claims get coded incorrectly and they get filled that way. The insurance company is going to review the claim as-built. So if something didn't get communicated correctly and the member knows more about it than it is a huge advocate of a patient taking on for themselves. So yes, absolutely. You always have the right to appeal a denial. Thank you. Do you have a suggestion for a resource that people can turn to to help them through that process? Well, there's always an ombudsman. I can't hardly say that, pronounce that word. But with each carrier, Blue Cross Blue Shield does have kind of a third party ombudsman that helps to process through that appeal process. It's also important that each enrolled person receive a copy of the certificate of coverage because all of the appeal procedure is in that certificate of coverage if they read it. Very good. Thank you. All righty. Information. Thank you. My pleasure. Have a good meeting and let me know if something else comes up that I can assist with. Oh, we definitely will. Thank you. Very good. Until the evening. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. So it sounds like the health insurance kind of played out like we thought. Yeah. So we should offer, just like we did last year, and then I guess we're going to keep covering 100% of the premium. Seems like that's what we decided on last time. So what are the questions that we have about that? The only thing that I also propose is speaking to administrative pains is the site that previously was divided over 24 payments, which is, we have 26 pay periods. Yeah, it has a pain. I've never seen anybody divide something over a pay period. I'm not quite sure. Michelle and I have really racked our brain as to why that it was felt that it needed to be done that way. So the only thing I would ask is that, likewise, if somebody opts for Blue Cross and decides to pay that difference, I would want to, we would potentially amortize that cost over 26 pay periods instead of 24. So the same thing with the stipends. But the thing about the stipend is that's going to be increased. If we're going to do it with the same method that we did. So we didn't do that for years and years and years. It was only last year to, we were like, oh, well, the health stipend should reflect the cost of insurance. And that's what happened. The health stipend before was like $60 or something. It was tiny. But then we got on this bandwagon of making it more reflective of the cost of insurance. Insurance costs a lot of money. You're not going to take it. You deserve to get some fair recompense for your decision not to take health insurance. You're getting it somewhere else, we assume. Judith, you weren't happy with our thought on that. Yeah, the goal was to provide health insurance for our employees. Exactly. If someone has health insurance, then we don't need to provide them with that benefit. Exactly. And that's what we do. They're not taking it, but they have it from somebody else. We're not trying to prevent them from getting health insurance. That's not our goal. And they have to pay whatever they have to pay for that insurance there. So the stipend would help them pay for that. Well, the only people we have not taking it now, the wife gets it somewhere else. So they're still getting insurance. I mean, that was a concern that was voiced last year at the meeting that we had about the health center. It was like, we don't want to pay people not to get insurance. We're not encouraged in not to get insurance. We're just keeping them off our health insurance plan, but they have one somewhere else. As you're ready to see the amount of budget forward in your experience, I just wanted to do 26. But it was only last year or the year before that we started doing it based on reality, based on a percentage of the premium. So I'm just saying, moving forward, for the one person that we have on it, we're going to have to adjust that amount. If we follow the same methodology, correct. That would be different. Exactly. So I guess we'll just do the math when we decide. I mean, unless we make a motion that says we base it to a certain amount. So if this percentage was, I believe it is. Yes. So we'll just do the math. We'll just do the math. It's $4,869 today for a year, of course. It would, doing the math, it would go to $5,822 every year. Substantial fee. It's almost $1,000. Yeah. It's different. Yeah. But I think that's the favorite thing we do. Is just follow that method. It's up to you and your peers. Ooh. Is everyone on board with that? You're following what I'm saying. I am. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it makes sense. It does make sense to me that we have a method that we carry forward from year to year. It doesn't make sense to me that we just freeze it at a certain amount and call it and say, anybody? Good enough. We employed the method last year. And I guess we just got to keep following through. Presumably competing plans at other places are increasing quite a bit as well. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure they are. So I don't think we need to make a motion to that fact. We just need to follow through with the math and keep that going. But we do need to change it to 26 day periods because that's a screw up, because I've been party to that. I don't think we need a motion for how it deducted was 24, 26. I do think we need a motion about offering. Oh, we do need that. Yeah, we do need that. I was just trying to get to clarify on the health side. Yeah, and you saw it was myth. Yeah, as I saw. Because he reviews payroll, he sees that it's complicated when you do it over to 24. In March, it was missed. That it was a period month, and it got overpaid. And then Michelle caught it. And when she was about to do it, that she overpaid again following that. And that's when I said to her, this is crazy. We should be doing this over 26 day periods. This is why. Yeah, yeah. It was just a math. It's a few things for the employee. It's a set amount on every track. So we're all trading letters back and forth, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it doesn't change the total amount that employees would receive. So I think your motion, we can put the 26 in there if you want. But the key is that your motion at least includes whatever that total would be. And we can, obviously, do the math to get to the 26. But that's more of an administrative aspect of fulfilling the process. But the getting back to the original thought was we're going to offer Blue Cross Blue Shield, same as last year. MVP, if you want Blue Cross Blue Shield, you got paid, Dennis. That's it. Yeah, we just may actually see some employees go to Blue Cross Blue Shield, whereas last year, this did the best. Yeah, we don't, but it doesn't matter. It is what it is. It is what it is. People aren't happy with MVP, and that's a good thing. Go ahead and, you know. I haven't heard any complaints that I can tell you. OK. So I moved to offer all full-time employees. I believe this is correct. Full-time and part-time. Yeah. Yeah, we do have a part-time employee, that is. And yes, that is. Yeah, he just pays a percentage of them. He has to pay a portion. According to his health. That's our offer. OK, so I moved to offer full-time and part-time employees, comma, in accordance with the personnel policy to get the pro-rated stuff. OK. One, 100% payment of MVP platinum plans. Two, the options of using either MVP or Blue Cross. And three, a stipend in lieu of health insurance that is 50% of the single-person platinum plan for MVP. Is that what we're doing? OK. Did you get that, David? You're amazing. I'll second it. Any further discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it, they do have it. So that takes care of health insurance. OK. Perfect. Are we ready? I see Guthrie is here for the County Road Project update. We are ready for that report, I believe. I'm going to let you talk again. No, sit down. So essentially, the whole report is complete on County Road. And I've provided both on the website and in your packets. All of the reports that Chase and Chase performed with all of your further site visits. And also, that Ryan did let us know that the work was completed, did clear satisfaction, and that we are essentially clear to process the final payment, which is in the warrant that you all have in front of you. Thank you for that, by the way. That was very useful to look back and see all of our revenue going. Yeah, it was very interesting to read. Definitely. I agree. And Pike started repainting. Guthrie probably has at least put eyes on that. I saw that mobilizing this morning, but did not see any of the actual painting of the leak. With the painting, I was very pleased to see all of the people and vehicles and equipment on the road. So, so, painting should be starting this week. The hope is that the first layer will be on this week with the second layer starting towards the end of the week. Weather could pose an issue. I drove right next to a paved lane on County Road on my way here, and I look forward to driving on the paved lane. I look forward to driving it as well. No, the weather's going to be pretty good. The way we're lucky with the weather. It's good. Don't you think so, Guthrie? Definitely. Yeah, it's warm. It's pretty good weather, really. Yeah, we've gotten very lucky with the weather. And it looks like it's going to be even nicer come the weekend. Like, whoa, this is good stuff. I love it. So, right now, things are looking good for a completed County road here in the next week or so. I felt like I'd be also great when I drove by there. They did an awesome job. Yeah. So, anything else, Guthrie? Gina, pretty much remind me. OK. Do you want to ask members of the public any questions? We have had some people. I see those members, I think, of the public, but they may be here for something else, actually. But does anybody have any questions about the County Road project? And the timeline, quality of the work, et cetera, et cetera. But, anyway, I've got no questions I've looked at it myself. I'm really happy with the quality of the work. It should be really nicely done. OK. They will be back to pull the paper out. Pull the paper out. They got to go down, go down. Rochester, finish up, finish up, one day is worth it. Day is worth it. Oh, then they're going to come back on the second layer? On Thursday. On Thursday. Wednesday, they have another project they need to complete, and then the plan is they'll be back on Thursday. Guthrie, do you think they will be, they will be completed this week by Friday? I'm not certain about it. I think they'll be everywhere. I think they'll have top coat. The top coat will go one low, one low, third, third. Right. The biggest players. Now, what about those cutouts, not cutouts, the driveways we're going to do along there, with Power, Horn, Glan, and the aprons? Power, Horn, Glan, and we're going to do Cummings Road. So the Cummings Road is dug up on Wednesday, and we will push real back in there. You've got the ground, asphalt, asphalt, that we're going to pick. And then the temple, they're going to go up a little bit more to have it more graphically off the black top. Yeah. But they've got a black top over that, so there's an apron there. You're going to fill a little bit, and then black top over it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good. There's actually three for the orange color. I was going to go with the orange color. Nice. And they're doing that too? Pike is doing that? Yep, yes. Oh, nice. OK. Anybody else have any questions of Guthrie or of this life board? No? OK. Well, we'll go on to our next item. Thank you, Guthrie. Thanks Guthrie. Thank you. I'm goody. I'm goody. You too. Cummings Road project is done. And 7.45. We're a little early, but I see maybe the cemetery committee is here. We're here. You're here. I'm here. OK. So we have three bullets here. One is a point town clerk to cemetery committee. So you're John? John Boucher. John Boucher. I've served on the committee for a while. A little history alien is, I have to say, is going to start toning his responsible back more and more. And I agreed to take on some of that until a full-time section gets put on. And so as far as Rosie getting on the board, she likes representation on the commission because a lot of it affects her. That's things come through her office. She'd like to have some say in that. I think that's where that comes from. And that's how it works for you? Everyone's so happy. OK. So what does everyone else think of that? I agree. So we should move forward on that. Yeah. And I thought it was very useful at the top website that for the cemetery committee page, it pointed out that you just described the history of the town vote to give us left-forward control over the cemetery committee. And that it was our March 18, 2019 meeting. So it was very easy to go look up the minutes. And what we did in March 18, 2019 was simply move to create a five-person cemetery committee. So in the interest of following up on that and keeping this transparency as reference to what happened in the past, I put together the following motion, which is a little fancier than we usually do for our motions. But it's fairly standard for motions other places. And I can email this to you. Whereas a select board created a five-person cemetery committee on March 18, 2019. And whereas a town clerk is responsible for cemetery deeds and the upkeep of the cemetery records, be it therefore resolved that the town clerk is ex officio, an additional voting member of the cemetery committee making a total of six members on the committee. Oh, so that means six? Why ex officio? Because as Rosy pointed out in her email, she doesn't want to be appointed as an individual. She thinks a town clerk should be the member. And then she's not a resident of the town. Right. Right. So whoever is a town clerk is a member of the committee, and we don't have to keep re-appointing somebody if we change town, when we change town clerk. So it's going to be John, Rosy, Elliot, Tim Lansom. Tim Lansom, I don't know where's his son. OK. And Mark Lane is the other one. Oh, Mark Lane. There's one more, too. Yeah, actually, five. There's a, from Fred, her name escapes me, but there's a lovely lady that is on the edge of it all. Emily, go ahead. Emily, Emily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Sound good? That's the easy one. So the second one, when a. So who want to take a vote on that? Yeah, well, I guess I vote John on that. Get Rosy on the cemetery committee. Second. We need a second. We need a second. Yeah, no second. Well, yeah, because the motion is so long, everyone was like, I'll see. Well, you proposed it as a resolution, not as a motion. I proposed it as a, OK, so don't you move it resolution? I'm just, you know, you're. Yeah, be it, therefore, resolved. So is there another way to phrase it? So it's a motion. I mean, does it not have effect the way it's phrased? That's fine. She's a motion. OK, let's call it a motion. OK. OK, so who seconded it? Who's John? Oh, John, you second, even though you didn't know he really seconded it, but that's OK. I knew what I said. OK, it's a motion. Right? OK. I figured we'll work on it either way. We'll second it either way. That's great. OK, so all those are favorably set up. All right, all right. OK, wow, that was quite the piece of work. OK. So the second one, I guess you were going to say something to that, John, but it's a funding request for Doty's Cemetery Survey. Correct. So when Elliot Step back presented some of the maps to me, it quickly became that the maps needed some attention. And so I did some work on these maps and have something we can work with at this point. However, I feel that the bottom section of that cemetery really needs to be surveyed. We have a cemetery commission where everyone more or less agreed to have that section surveyed. Can you only let you know the line is up by the tree? It's not so much the boundaries of the cemetery, but the boundaries of the lots. Oh, the lots that are on the slide. So that's what you mean by survey the plots of the lots within the. Oh, these lots. Oh, OK, right. Correct, correct. Has that ever been done? Well, we have markers. I have markers there. Are you saying that in the wrong place? What I'm saying is not anyone does have markers. Yeah, right. And the maps don't necessarily correspond with there's no consistency on the section where your lot is. There's no consistency at all. Yeah, they're like, oh, let's put on the marker. Kind of, yeah. Oh, well, Jesus. Wasn't there an evil skull project? What's that? So that was a different cemetery. Was it? OK. That was cool. Thank you. There was some evil skull project. And it was involved in getting drones and taking photos. And I don't know where that is or what ever happened to that. But it wasn't precisely evil. How do you conduct a survey of the plots? Well, good question. So you got to get the boundaries of the property, right? And then that's a good question for the survey. So it's a property transfer. So there should be some transfer records for the plots. But they're not always kept up to date. Yeah, but they're not measured off in front of the boundaries. Right. They just said, oh, you can have this 10 feet by 10 feet. Kind of. That's what it said. That's what it said. And it's not done in any relation to any other boundaries. And then you have to check and see if there's somebody there or not. Correct. What? Well, you never know if there's somebody buried there. And trust me, I've been through this before. You can get on with that. I don't know if anybody can even do that. Well, you can get one after. So anyway, so we have a northern part that we're going to do a lot. And it's used. It's there. So I'm proposing to get the section, I guess, would be to east of that. I have all that surveyed. Individual lots laid out. Consistency to those. Those aren't sold yet. Precisely. Oh, you can at least mark where those lots are. Right. And if it's your order question earlier, it hasn't been surveyed. So there is a survey on the southern portion of that cemetery. So as you go into the road, the southern side of that road is that we do, in fact, have a survey on that. Chase and chase. So you've got set markers that you can work on. Correct. You get accurate measurements going forward. But going back, it's a little tricky. That map is going to look ugly. Yeah. It's going to look like there's going to be some overlapping. Yeah. And my feeling is we get it cleaned up now before it's in order. No, good idea. Especially as you go forward. From this point forward, I do not have the attention to selling anything on that side any longer till we do get something done. So that's a selling point. If we do the survey, then we can go forward and continue selling plots in the cemetery. Otherwise, no? No, that's not entirely accurate because on the southern side of the road, that is surveyed. That's where I intend to continue on selling lots. OK, so I'm sorry. Let me try again. Sure. So if we get the survey done, then for the area survey, we will be able to sell lots, whereas otherwise we would not be able to. Correct. OK, thank you. Well, you didn't want to sell lots on a survey turn. Yes, right. He wants to sell lots in a known place in the second. Yep. Well, he already has a survey. Right, perfect. So how much does that? So I think the number was not to exceed $10,000. And I don't know what. We recently had a Berlin Corners survey. In fact, it just came from me before this. And that came about $2,500 to have that survey. It's a different animal in the sense that up there, it was just completely flat ground. No pre-sold lots in this area would just start from scratch sort of thing. So it is a bit of a different animal. So that's why I came up with the not to exceed number. Oh. OK. That's what we need to do. And there's no money set aside, and there's no budget for that? Or is there? I don't think there is. There is not. No. And then that kind of brings me to the next point. I think Rosie had on the air capitol. Can food include cemetery and maintenance in capitol? Yeah. So traditionally, cemeteries are set up where a portion, I think it's 20% of the lot. 20% of the cost of the lot will go into a perpetual care fund. It's either 20% or 80%. I kind of forgot to say that. Is that for every cemetery? Is that somewhere written? I think it's law. Yeah. I don't know if it's law or not, because they don't all do it. They don't all do it. They expect the families to take care of us. Yeah. So well, cemeteries. Yeah, so. No, it's true. I'm telling you, it's not the same everywhere. There's a whole book on cemetery law, too. Yeah. Yeah, there is. That's interesting. But we think that cemeteries may maintain them. Right. Do you all have that budget? And so in theory, what should happen is a perpetual care fund should be set up, and it should have been set up from the beginning. That earns interest. That's what you spend the money on, is to maintain the cemeteries. A lot of cemeteries don't have that. A lot of cemeteries were operated using committees, using cemetery commissions that were assigned to those cemeteries. And then when those cemetery committees fold, the town in which those cemeteries are located are required by law to take over those cemeteries. That's what happens in the hospital. Some of these committees voluntarily turn it over to the town. And the town can maintain any money they have and have it inside an appropriate manner. But some cemeteries have zero money. Right. And that's when you don't have money for perpetual care, because there's no money for it. Right. So I'm not sure the history of DOE, how that came to be, but at some point, there must have been a perpetual care fund set up for that happen. And it needs to be. Correct. We have one, though. No. I thought we had a perpetual care fund of some sort. Not for a first. But normally, it doesn't need a first cemetery, but you could just sit down and easily just say for all cemeteries. Right. So what happened to the Poplar Cemetery over there, they ran out of money, of course, it was owned by cows. Right. And there was a community of people commissioned that some of these were from East Mahfoud. And but they ran out of money. Right. And the cows didn't want to maintain it anymore. And so they wanted us to maintain it, because most of the people buried on East Mahfoud. Yeah, but then since then, yeah. We refused to do it with their real estate. Right. I know, it was their real estate. It's like, what? Well, they, and I'm glad that went that direct because it's not a problem. I was like, no way. That's a requirement, wasn't it? Yeah, they didn't want to cry. I think it was up to like a $50 following. Or something like that. I don't know if it was, is it a fund? Oh, it's some minor thing. It's a really big fund. So that's a good point. But we don't have that. The town door was maintained. The town door was maintained. Right. So the logic here is do we want to start funding that? Funding a capital, you know, a capital plant as we move forward? So that's a little bit of a capital plant for what? Well, for improvements. Like, for instance, here we are getting a survey done. Yeah. So that we can go to expenses such as that. Couldn't it be more like an annual line item than the regular budget? Yeah. Because that's not really capital. OK. Well, it is if you build a fence. How do you rate it? It is. Well, I'm sure. I mean, we did that. There's, I don't know where we got the money for that. There's certain things at our capital. What if you build it out of wood? That's so capital. That's so capital. I'm just saying, there's some things. That's a capital expense. I mean, you got to decide what you want to put in the capital. I know. Like, like mowing the lawns and all that stuff, that's operational. Correct. It's cleaning the stones operational? Yeah, that's not a capital expense, but buying graves don't have to capital expense. I can assure you. If you, you mean buying a gravedome? Yeah. But that's not, they're not going to do that. That's not going to do that, though. Maybe they're replaceable. So what about, what about equipment? Yeah, equipment, we, so how did we buy the last tractor? I thought we just bought that. I think we did. We did, yeah. The town bought? Yeah. Big deal. OK. That's not something to mean. Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand, because all the money comes from the same place. OK. So you're just saying if you have a fund there, it's... My concern was when I realized there was no perpetual care fund. How do we, how do we start them? And, you know, I don't know the answer to that. Well, I mean, it's a good question, but I'm just trying to figure out why, what would be the advantage. Yeah. The advantage would be you wouldn't have to go to the select board, but you still wouldn't have to take money out of it, because you're a committee and not a commission. Sure. If you're a commission, then you're an entity that has its own money. But we stopped doing that. Right. We went to a committee. Now the committee is, every time you need money, come here. That's right. Didn't we just look at something recently suggesting that we get rid of some of the special funds that we have? Well, that was to, we still have the names, but we put the funds together. But we still have each fund name, but the money is left again. Yeah. Well, I'm just, I'm just being a devil to have it. No, I'm here. I don't really care, I'm just wondering, why would we change the way we've been doing business? You bring up good points, I don't have any. That's why you get paid to meet with big numbers. Yeah, I know that. Big numbers. I don't know. I just, I want to hear you. What's that? I want to hear you. I want to hear that. Yeah, you know, perhaps it was more about this is how we do it in other places. And I recognize that it's not being done this way. And, you know, is there some long-term benefits to it? OK, but the perpetual care thing was set up so they had their own money. Right. You'd be surprised at how many don't anymore. They don't have their own money. But it doesn't matter though, does it? Well, it matters if the towns don't want to provide perpetual care. There's some bylaws in some cemeteries that say that the funding they have to provide perpetual care is some towns don't want to pay perpetual care. Some of them will say that the families responsible for perpetual care. Agile all depends on what the bylaws are. You'd have to kind of look at new cemeteries. Then the town would have to decide if it wants to provide for perpetual care or not. A lot of towns won't do that. Clean the gravestone, things like that. Yeah. So perpetual care traditions are not including cleaning the gravestone. That's a lot of it. I find that to be a bit of a misconception. Well, it's like repairing broken stones, straightening out. Not even some perpetual care from my understanding. It's blowing and trimming. See, that's the point. Perpetual care, from my point of view, is taking care of the stones. And the stones are maintained most of the time. Like over here at Plainmont Cemetery, my understanding that the families take care of those stones there. And anyway. But that would seem to be something that a family wants to do. If they still have a family there, it's like a family meeting 100 years later that stone's still there and covered with moss. So how does that work? It gets covered with moss. So somebody decides to clean it. Like the guy who's on TV this weekend cleaning veteran's stones up in Newport area. Just because he thought it would be a nice thing to do. Yeah, nobody's doing it. And I talked about doing what my parents are buried over in Plainmont. And I talked about straightening the stone over there. And they don't really like you to do that. They want to hire a contractor to do that. And our contractors will do that. Yeah. So anyway, that's interesting. So we have a document that's available on the excellent town website under the Cemetery Commission called Revised East Montpelier Cemetery Rules and Regulations. It's from 2005. And one of the sections is CARA plot. And it says the general care of the cemetery's responsibility of the sexton. It includes cutting of grass at reasonable intervals, raking and cleaning the grounds, and the pruning of shrubs and trees. It says general care, assumed by management, shall in no case mean the maintenance, repair, or replacement of any memorial placed or erected upon plots, nor the doing of any special or unusual work, nor does it mean the reconstruction of any marble or granite work of any section or plot or any portions thereof. And it says an endowment fund shall be established where, by the town of East Montpelier, will hold and invest the principal sum to positive and use the income therefrom to help defray the cost of operations of the cemetery's parenthesis perpetual care. So those are the rules that we are operating under from a previous look for 2005. But saying the sexton is responsible for doing the duties. Yes. And we pay for it. And it's the stuff that John was describing, and not cleaning the memorials or replacing the memorial or anything like that. It's not doing that. It's not doing that. And that we shall have a perpetual care endowment fund. We do have. Somewhere. That's why I thought it. We might want to check on it. Yeah. Let's double check first. Yeah. Well, I know in Hardwick that there's a big cemetery that is shared between the Catholic Church on one side and Protestants on the other side, which is one side is owned by the town of Hardwick. The other side is the Catholic Church. And the Catholic Church is going to turn it over to the town. But they don't have any money set aside for maintaining any of the sculpture. And that's sort of the ammo of this. That's the way it works. The money's already been taken away. Right. And then as people get older and people pass away, there's less interest in the cemeteries and the town are taking them over and trying to follow the rules. So if you're established a fund, then we say what you could do with funds. And that would be in the capital if we established a fund instead of just laying it out in the basement. Well, I'm just thinking the theme of stones and all that sounds like a good idea. I mean, what the heck? It's not getting done. It's not going to get done. The only way it will get done is if the sex is saying, hey, this should be done. I'll hire somebody to do it. And we just pay the bill. Right. Which would be fun? So according to our last time report, as of June 30th, 2021, the non-expendable perpetual care funds are a total of around $100,000. So there is a fund there. So can we take 10 out of that fund or no? Oh, and there are expendable funds as well. I don't know. It's not clear here what the difference is between expendable and non-expendable. Maybe the expendable. The non-expendable is just an interest. You just spend interest. That way, the fund never disappears. So the expendable funds include are up to a little over $15,000. So $10,000. Is this still growing from contributions that we made to it? Yes. Sales plots. Sales plots and interest. Well, interest is an arena, but I don't know if this could be. I don't know if we're getting money into it from the sale of plots. For Doty Cemetery, it says in the town report from the Cemetery Commission that a four-grave plot costs $1,400, which includes $750 for perpetual care. Two graves is $800, includes $375 for perpetual care, et cetera, et cetera. So that information is great. That information came from Rosie. I'm not sure of it. Were you familiar with that, Gina? So who's actually taking the money and putting in the funds? It's going to be Rosie. I think it's Rosie. OK. That's why she's on the committee. That's why she's on the committee. OK. OK. All right? Captain, obvious. OK. So then, would the survey come out of that money? It could. It seems appropriate, right? It does. Are they expendable part of it? Yeah. OK. OK. I think that answers the question. Great. Yeah. Man, I'm tired now. Do we need a motion to that effect? To take it out of the Cemetery committee to spend up to $10,000? Yeah. Yes. I'll second it. OK. Did you make the motion? Did I make the motion? He did. He did. He did. He did. He did. He did. He did. I see. OK. I'm losing up on my second general. I think I've used up my motion. Any further discussion about the cemetery? Mm-hmm. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes appear to have it. We do have it. And thank you for doing, taking over that. Yeah. Yeah. That was very interesting. Thank you very much. Yeah. Very informative, I mean. Thank you for sure. Good stuff. Thank you. Yeah. Hey, John. Yes? John, for more information on that, the Secretary of State's Office has a book on cemeteries and cemetery law. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Great. OK. OK. Well, that was great. Yeah. So we've already done the East Montpelier Golly Jumpers, the next item, 805. Discussion on charge point level two EV charger. This is one that Carl brought up, discussed last. He also sent an email about the charger in the top of the, what was the other one? What was the other charger? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Clipper Creek. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I looked into it and I checked with sales at Clipper Creek. I checked with Dave Roberts of Drive Electric Vermont on buying something from Clipper Creek and he endorsed it. He said that not everything, it's not bullet proof, but nothing is. And nothing in the charger world is. He brought in Tom Fisher from efficiency Vermont and he said from his personal and professional experience with Clipper Creek chargers, they're great. There are two options that would be appropriate for the amperage that we have over there. There's one that is ruggedized. The tables are upgraded. Basically, it's the one for a lot of people who are not owners of it, handling it to make it more foolproof. So the cables are better in cold weather. They're more flexible, that sort of thing. And it has a five-year warranty as opposed to a three-year warranty. I don't have the prices in front of me, but it's like a $1,400 versus $1,700, so like $300 premium for that. It seemed worth it. I have reached out to an installer that Bill of Washington, I think, recommended to us, Bill Paul, and I just want to talk to him about the process of taking out the charge point one and putting this one in. So I'll get some more information on that. I did look on eBay for how much ones like this are going for in the used market. And even though Bill of Paul said, you know, new, they whack with a grant to pay like $16,000 for it on eBay, it's like a tenth of that right now. $1,500. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not a huge charge, but it can cover most of it. Maybe all of it depends on how much the installer charges. I don't know why we wouldn't do it. So I don't have a specific proposal because I don't have a quote from the installer yet, but after I talk to him, then hopefully next select board meeting I'll be ready to put a specific proposal. Get some figures on it. I mean, I'm interested in the ruggedized ones, obviously. Yeah. And then I don't know why we would not. Yeah. Yeah. It just sounds like this is the wave of the future it looks like. Exactly. And that one doesn't work well. So get rid of it. So anybody else have any thoughts? Agree with you totally. Then Carl. Come on board. Well, keep up that discussion, Kyle. And maybe you'll have more information the next week. Yep. Yep. Perfect. Sounds great to me. Good work. Yeah. We also did also did the next item, which is discussion and front porch forum post of agendas. And we're all right with that. You're good to post it and see what happens. Town Treasury report. So we have the August report. We're still dealing with some delays. She just got the statement late last week for the September bank statement. So she's going to work on that report next week. And fortunately they didn't have time to get that done for today. So nothing necessarily first shattering in there. I'm working on building out an updated forecast for the current year. Because as we all know, the budget, we already have some overages. And we all knew that when we hired, you know, when the staff hired. Yeah. In and of itself. So I'm going to be working on that pretty hard starting next week. That will be taking up the best majority of my time. And all of this is in preparation because we'll have to be taking off budget process here pretty soon. So we really need to get a re forecast of the current year, which will then translate into the FY 24 budget. Yeah. Yeah. So and I'm building a little bit more detailed way of kind of building the budget than what's been done in the past. Because there's just there's just more going on a little bit more going on now. With the different staff and structure that we have and as we look forward. So, yeah. So anyway, and in conjunction with that, Michelle wants to revisit the monthly reporting package as well. And we may enhance some of those reports. But again, except for the time. So, you know, the August report of the September report at the next meeting. And then hopefully we're going to get on better cadence. Bank reports are starting to come in things with M&T are working a little bit better. That being said, next week, we do have some meetings with some banks to start opening up some dialogue. We talked to people at the LCT Town Fair, both Michelle and I did. We spent a lot of time in that in that vendor area actually speaking with some vendors. Just the payment portal that we have, for example, a vendor that was there that has a more robust payment portal than what we're using. It seems to be a bit more efficient. So I'm just trying to see what's out there. So she and I have, I think, two or three meetings next week with different local banks to see what else may be out there. Because we were just very disappointed as many people were with M&T rollout. And then the support that we've also been getting post the conversion from people. So I know we talked about changing banks a few years ago. I mean, you were on that discussion and I was too. And I can't remember the objections that Don had. But it seemed like there was a few who had to do with lines of credit or FDIC or something like that. So we would like, I would like to see a stupidness for the local bank. That would probably be wrong. That personally would like to see happen. I don't like out-of-state banks. It's a pain in the neck. It's not a good deal. That's one of our goals. We have been approached by other nationwide banks and my comment always is, well, it doesn't really seem to get us in any different situations than what we're currently in. So I would rather look to change our situation and go with a Vermont bank. So that is the intent. So we're going to start opening up that dialogue, getting some information, comparing, of course, what we would get from the different banks. Yeah. Great conversation and so forth now. Well, they're certainly receptive. Believe me, the banks are. If they know you're with MIT, they're definitely quick to grab you and open up dialogue with you because they know odds are you're not happy. Yeah. Okay. So that's the town trade reporting. Any other questions for Gina? No. You reminded me about VLCT meeting and by rights, it would have been helpful for me to bring a report from the VLCT town meeting and so on. And I made a bunch of notes for it, but I didn't put it together for tonight's meeting. So if you could put that on the agenda for our next meeting, then that will be a reminder to me that you did that. Exactly. Okay. So the next item is discussion on town management light of COVID-19. So I updated this just a little bit to provide these three points of data that the CDC doesn't provide, which is the case rate for 100,000 population, new COVID-19 admissions for 100,000 population, and then percent of staff inpatient beds in use by patients with confirmed COVID-19. So we're still showing as low, but these are the three data points. And what I would like to do in lieu of my usual discussion of the community transmission is to highlight an article from the Washington Post from, it looks like it was updated on October 13th, published October 12th about we are in trouble, study raises alarm about impacts of long COVID is the title. And it's talking about a Scottish study of nearly 100,000 participants, including people in this country that found that between six and 18 months after infection, one in 20 people had not recovered from COVID and 42% reported partial recovery only. The reassuring aspects to the study were that people with asymptomatic infections are unlikely to suffer long-term effects and vaccination appears to offer some protection from long COVID. So it's going to have, it is having and will continue to have ripple effects long after people are initially infected. This will affect insurance rates going forward. Yes. Not in the right direction? No. Yeah. And the flu season is hitting us earlier than usual this year. So I was initially planning to get vaccinated in late November so that my vaccination effect would carry over into the spring flu season but now the advice is go in as soon as possible if you haven't got the time. Well, I'll do it all. I went into Kennedy Arts just to see because you were saying that, everybody's advertised, just drop in. Yeah. The drop in for Kennedy drugs is the 28th of October. Wow. And they said they've been doing a vaccination every 10 minutes every day. Really? Really? One of the walls are open. These are going any other places? I contacted Walgreens, I contacted CVS, I contacted Walmart, all of them. And you have to wait. You've done that in town, right? Is that for the flu? Yes. But a lot of places are doing the booster too at the same time? Yeah, I know. I didn't check on that because I already had the booster. Number four? Number four. What? Five. Oh, five? Oh, yeah, baby. You're faithful? Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. It covers the air and then the variant. Oh, I forgot about those. I had three. But you had... They had it really bad. They said that does carry it forward for a while. So anyway, I didn't have any luck unless I wanted to hang around until sometime in November. But I wouldn't say don't check. I would continue to check. So you had to put your name on a list, basically? Yes. Yeah. And you know the funny thing about it was, they told me that I think the first... And Kennedy drugs said it was going to be this Friday. And I said, no, I'm going to be driving. I don't feel like having the shot to probably drive 15 hours, you know. But I went back and I said, no, I'll do it. It was gone. And the next closest one was Walgreens and Hardwick. And I didn't jump on that one and that was gone. Really? That's crazy. And that was just the flu or the fifth shot? Flu. I got the fifth shot after a couple of weeks ago when Carl said that there was going to be a public event up in Berlin. Oh. For COVID vaccines. It's still gone. The free clinic in Berlin. But they didn't have the booster. I mean, not the booster, but the flu shot. They had the flu shot. They don't have the enhanced one. The enhanced... For anybody over 65, you can get a boosted up flu shot. But where did you have the fourth COVID booster? Then take the fifth. Take the fifth. You don't have to go back to the fourth. Just jump on that. Okay. Okay. So I think we've beat that one to death. Discussion on how many have been led to COVID-19 across at all. So now we have warrants. I did see anything too crazy. I did see a vaccine for rabies or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I thought that was... Look at that page. So that is the Lister's document you'll see. Yeah. There's a second column there that says select four. Yeah. So that can be passed around with the same... Yeah. So this spring is animal control officer. I got vaccinated against rabies. Good. And then they've asked us to come back and have our blood drawn and checked to see how well it took. Oh, good. Because they don't really do that, do they? They do it for dogs and cats, but you didn't have to go to the fire station, did you? So... No, we're having a showdown. You're really good, you know. I know. Deb Blotman organized this event for... I believe she organized it through a vet tech organization. Yeah. But, you know, there were animal control officers, vet techs, vets from New Hampshire and Vermont, at least, I don't know, further than that. And there's probably 60 people signed up for that. Okay. And so that was over, I think, two weekends or two shots, maybe three, I don't remember. But we went to her house in East Montpelier and Center Road and got the shots and got a little candy. And we're on our way. But the question is, how well did they work with our immune system? Yeah, so they got to check that's good. Exactly. Yeah, so it's a good follow-up. It'd be safe. So it actually checks your level of whatever. Yeah, animals, right? Yeah. So I had a question about absolute spill response, hazmat disposal, and I looked in there and it just talked about disposal of contaminated soils. What contaminated soils? That was a spill from last winter. Okay. That was near, like, more country credit union. This was just the second spill for that. Okay. Do you know what was spilled and who spilled it? I believe this was before my time. Yeah. I believe it was the hydraulic fluid was what happened from one of the town trucks. Okay. What happened? It was $300. How much? $3,300. Yeah. It's the first one. It's the first one. I can't remember what the last one was. You jumped over this? I went right to the rabies. I don't know how much oil it was. I'm talking about theond to the effort in the TA report, but there was a royal locksmith came on Thursday and they serviced the vault. They actually replaced the dial. So we had an electronic keypad now on the vault. The vault was becoming increasingly difficult to open to the point to where, period of days we would have to take a breath in all the way. minutes and try it again and honestly we were getting concerned with the vault, we could get it open one day. So you know, we had an expense, I asked her if it was the last time the vault was serviced and she said not that she had been here, there's a budget line item every year of $1,000 for vault maintenance and I think 137 has been spent since 2020 on it so I think unfortunately the lack of any attention to the vault kind of got us to where we are today. So, how do you see that budget line item? WD-40, from the lock. So, you should see the instructions for how to open it, it's quite comical for how to open that previous style. It was like go pass, go just beyond the number. Yeah. Oh man. It was pretty funny. So if it's electrical, is it battery operated? It is and yes, we know how to replace the batteries and we know how to do all of what we need to do. And it's very easy to change and the other beauty of this is it is easy to change. So if staffing changes, no, I mean even the code. So if staff changes occur, we can change the combination on the vault. So that's the other thing we like about, Rosie has long wanted an electronic lock code, or whatever the lock code, not a dial, but you know what I mean, the electronic code has kind of opened up, yeah, he had to open the locks that are open and all. So it was money well spent, we got to see the inner, inner of the door of the lock when he opened it up. He thoroughly serviced it. It's amazing to open the handle now, how smooth and easy that is to open. So it was definitely well spent, but obviously $750 over the current year budget, but money that unfortunately, I think, you know, who knows if we possibly could have spent some of that out over the years because part of that was maintenance. So no replacement. Right, I'm totally on board with that. So if the battery runs out, is it easy to replace the battery after it runs out? Yeah, it actually is, and honestly too, it's to the nine hole batteries that are in there. What I also love about it is, you know how those little connections with us always seem to go bad, that inevitably seems to be what you run into a lot with nine hole batteries. It's just a plug, so you can actually replace that connector through the battery. So it's, I like the way that the system works, it seems to be a nice keypad that can really carry you into the future so you're not stuck replacing it when some of those quirky things happen. So we're not locked out if the battery runs out because we forgot to replace it, good. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, and I'm taking Wednesday through Friday off. I have a few, an appointment tomorrow so I'm a slightly flex schedule, but it could take the whole week, but at least taking Wednesday through Friday. Good, beautiful time, of course. Yeah. Yeah, what has been good to do on the rest of the week? Yeah, really good weather. So we do have a personnel match. Oh. And I don't think there's anything else. Is the board better than this? Did you have other than this? No, no. So we could- When I printed what you said, oh, it's on the, I remember just a second ago. So we could turn off the recording. Right, so I moved to go into executive session under one BSA section 313A3, the appointment or employment or evaluation of a public officer or employee. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye, is it fair to have or they do have it? So we're coming out of the executive session. At 27. 827, there's been no action taken. There will be no action. And there will be no action taken tonight. And that takes care of that matter. What else do we have? I think it's adjourned time. Yeah, I think it's time for adjourned and you made the motion. Yes. Congratulations. And- I'll second it. Oh, I thought you had a second. I can, for this one, I can call it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye, is it fair to have or do have it? I thought, I thought we were gonna- Yeah, we're gonna, we were, but then I have to do one. We adjourned. Yeah, we adjourned. I'm sorry.