 Welcome back to the channel guys. I'm so excited to announce my partnership with working in working in is the largest immigration company here in New Zealand. And now when you come into my community, full service, everything you need from thriving in life, meeting people that are moving here, you know, getting a job, getting a visa, everything is full service. I'm going to show you how to do that. I have Paul from working in on today, going to talk about all those types of things with you. And I'm just really excited to announce this partnership because I just, it's your best option, your best pathway to get to New Zealand and make moving here a reality. If you're considering a move here, you can start with my free masterclass. It's in the description. That's a great place to start. Otherwise just come into my community. We're here to help you. We can get you all set up and everything taken care of. And I just really kind of figure out if this makes sense for you. I'm so excited for you to meet Paul and working in. So here we go. Okay, welcome Paul. Thank you for joining us today. This is Paul from working in and he is going to give us lots of insight and some secret sauces on how to get visas, how to get jobs, how to really make your move to New Zealand happen. And I'm very excited about this guys because we have created a partnership because of the way that immigration has changed and how you need to get a job with a credited employer and the visa and all of this kind of all has to happen to actually move here. We've created this partnership that I think is going to be amazing and that I think will really give you guys the most amazing value and process into doing a huge, really big change in your life. So the process is going to be this. So you guys are going to come into my community and I'm going to get you set up with Paul and working in and getting your whole visa job situation, that pathway going at the same time, working with me and helping you set up your life and getting sorted and starting to thrive and just kind of dealing with all of the the mental and emotional parts of moving to New Zealand. So I'm very excited about this. So I thought I'd bring Paul on today and talk a little bit about answering all the questions that he would be way better at answering than me about how to move to New Zealand. So welcome, Paul. Thank you for joining us. Hi, Tara. I know it's it's awesome to be here. I know you and I have been talking for a few weeks now and it's great to finally be at this point. I mean, we we've helped quite a lot of people from the US move to New Zealand. We'd love to help more people. And so when this opportunity arose, it just seemed like the perfect fit. So yeah, absolutely keen to share share tips and advice. OK, that's great. And just so you guys know Paul's story, because you're probably hearing the accent like he's from the UK. But you've lived in New Zealand for quite a few years. But you're yeah. So just maybe tell a little bit of your story just so people know. Yeah, so I moved to New Zealand back in 2003 with my family. My son was three. I thought it was 10s, my wife and the dogs. And we did the whole thing. It was a bit different. Our move and the BBC got involved and they made a whole TV documentary. Oh, really? I didn't even know this. Yeah, it's on YouTube somewhere. Oh, I'm finding it. You know, I'm looking that up. So yeah, about five million people watched it, I think, in the UK. It was it was OK, guys. I think that in a description. I think it was a complete surprise. We didn't know it was happening. They said they were going to ask us some questions because they were doing a documentary. And we said, oh, we're moving. And yeah, they bold in with a film crew and said we were flying in two weeks time. So extremely stressful, but it made great TV. I don't advise that anybody moves that way, by the way. Yeah, OK, fair enough. OK, so they videotaped your whole move. OK, cool. Yeah, and then they came back out six months later and did a second documentary six months later. And then I wrote a book all about it and got that published. And and the whole journey began. And that was 20, 20 years ago. And we lived in New Zealand for 17 years. Absolutely love the place, obviously. Currently, I'm based in the UK because I got off at the chance to run the UK side of the business and my kids have grown up in New Zealand. They wanted to travel a bit, but obviously we can go back to New Zealand whenever we want, which is awesome. You know, and that's a big thing. And I talked about that last week. If you haven't seen that video, I'll link it up here about how like getting your permanent residency doesn't mean you have to live there permanently. It just gives you options, which is really what Paul said. Not to quote him in a conversation that we've had before. I'm not trying to plagiarize your ideas, but it was just really good and it just really was really thoughtful and that was helpful. Okay, cool. So you've lived in New Zealand, you're living in the UK and you're helping other people move there. And so I've teamed up with Working In because I'm bringing kind of the whole US market into bringing people into New Zealand. And I'm just telling you guys like Paul is so great and this company is so great in terms of what they can offer you. And they kind of have like the full spectrum of services and that are included when you do a visa process with them. So let me just walk through with you guys with what the process is. So you basically come in the community, you fill out a free assessment so that they can figure out, you know, what's the best pathway for you to New Zealand and if it's even possible because nobody's gonna waste your time and giving you false hope that you can come here if you can't because there is rules and regulations and it's not the easiest country to get in to be honest. As I've talked about many times and then you will then go into a more, if it works out then you go into a more detailed assessment and then moving on to getting jobs and visas. So Paul, can you just tell us a little bit about kind of that part of the process and like what really is the benefit of working with you in terms of getting a job and getting a visa? Yeah, I think most of your community, you know, you're giving them all this excellent advice and support and they'll have realized very quickly that New Zealand is a job-based immigration system. 99% of the people who want to move, you need a job offer to get a visa and then if you look online, all the job offers say you need a visa to apply for this job. It's this Catch-22 and most visa agents. Yeah, and it's a massive hurdle. It is the biggest hurdle in the journey. Now most visa agents do visas. I know that sounds obvious, but what I mean by that is that's all they do. You know, working in is a little bit different because working in wasn't set up 20-odd years ago to do visas. Working in was set up to help New Zealand employers hire people from overseas. And we were doing that for a long time. Yeah, we were doing that for a long time. I was flying all over the world with working in and we'd put these events on all over the world and we'd fly employers over from New Zealand and we'd get skilled people to these events in different countries. The employers would offer these people jobs. Great, win-win for everybody. But of course, what starts to happen is the employer offers the jobs, the people they've offered to don't move because they don't know what they're doing, they're taking too long, their visa gets declined. The employer says, well, that wasn't as good as we thought it was. We realised quite quickly, the only way this really works is if we're handling the visa because if we handle the visa, we can remove the risk for the employer as well as remove the risk for the person who's making the move. You need that piece in the middle. And getting a job offer is all about removing risk for the employer. And that's what people miss. You know, one tip or one tip early on in this course. Ooh, that's good, that's good. Is your CV. So if you send a CV or a resume to an employer in New Zealand, great, it tells the employer that you can do the job. It doesn't show the employer if, when and how you're getting to New Zealand if they offer you a job. Your CV on its own is not enough. The employer wants certainty. They're not, they aren't struggling that much to get people that there's no one applying for these jobs. You know, some people go like, oh, need occupations on this shortage list. That means that there's no one applying. No, there are hundreds of people applying for that job. You know, you are in competition with New Zealanders. You're in competition with everyone else around the world. Employers will go the path of least resistance. They'll hire a New Zealander first because that's easier and they should. You know, if they're the right fit. But if they can't find a New Zealander, they'll hire the person from overseas where they know it's all gonna work and everything's okay. And you have to be able to prove to employers that everything's gonna be okay. And if you can't do that, why would they talk to you? This is why sending off CVs on their own generally doesn't work. Oh my gosh, that's what everybody does. Everyone. Everyone does that. And it's just like, yeah, and you know that there's this catch 22 and I'm, you know, I'm not allowed to get immigration advice. I'm not allowed to do all of that. And what's great about you guys is you work with the accredited, because now immigration requires an accredited, you know, employer, but you work with them and have lots of relationships because that's how you started. Yeah, absolutely. And I think you've touched on something really important that our accreditation is a massive change to immigration policy. And that means is only employers who've got permission to hire people from overseas can actually offer jobs to people from overseas. They have to prove that they're a good employer and that they're meeting all the criteria. They have to prove that the jobs they're offering or also meeting the criteria, which is great. It protects the person who's moving, but they can be difficult to find because there isn't a list of accredited employers. And it's not the only change to immigration policy there. We have seen the biggest changes to immigration policy in the last two years that I've seen in over 20 years of doing this work. Oh, really? Absolutely. Immigration policy has been flipped on its head since COVID and the problem with the internet is all the old information's on the internet and as well as the new information. And then there's information always that isn't on there. And so if people watching this are using the internet as their only resource to figure out how to move, they are running a massive risk now, much bigger risk than they were running two or three years ago. Two or three years ago, they got immigration policy that had pretty much been set in place for five, 10 years or whatever. Right, and it was pretty easy. They could even just do it from a website. But now I'm finding, and this is why I've teamed up with you guys because like you can't actually get a job, get an actual visa without some immigration support. Yeah, so for most people, I mean, look, it's not all bad news either. I mean, there's now three routes to residency where there was only pretty much one for a skilled migrant, you know? Right. So there's different types of visas now. There's different rules around what the family can do on those visas, what your partner can and can't do, what your children, it's... Oh, it's so complicated. Every time I find you guys and I still don't know the answer. Because every situation is different. Like I can't just say a blanket. If you can move to do this, you can move to do that. You can't do that. It's so frustrating. Yeah, every move is different. Every individual, I was saying to you earlier now, we have different costings, different budgets that we have to talk about with people, depending on what their move is. There isn't just a, oh, that's how you do it. This is how much it costs and that fits everybody. Everything is different. And it has to fit you as an individual. This move is life-changing. You know, you've done it, I've done it, you know? And we've helped thousands of people do it along the way. This is, you're changing jobs, you're changing schools, you're changing careers, you're changing country. These are the most stressful things that you'll ever do in your life individually. You're doing them all together all at the same time, you know? And, you know, we're constantly aware of that. This, you know, the business that we're in is not, you know, and I'm not, you know, downgrading or saying anything about, say, selling cars or whatever, but it's a very different business. You're dealing with people's lives. You're literally changing their lives. And there's a massive buzz and a reward when you see them change their life positively. There's also massive risks involved. And people say to me, what does an immigration advisor do? No, I can't talk for every advisor, but what I can tell you what we do at working in is we minimize your risks or we maximize your opportunities. That's what we do. Visas are a byproduct of that, but that's the aim, minimize your risks, maximize your opportunities so you can actually make this happen. Right. It's not easy. So when people come to you, like what, so they come to you and like, do you focus on the visa? I'm always saying like, you kind of got to run with the visa and getting the job at the same time. Like, how do you generally recommend and how do you guys work with a client? You know, we actually, we break the move down into steps. A lot of the main issue that people have with New Zealand, especially in the early days is they actually can't figure out where to start because they know they need a job offer to get a visa. And as I said, they see this cash 22. So they make this kind of logical assumption of, well, I can't do anything with the visa because I haven't got a job. So the first thing I need to do is get a job. That's the biggest mistake you can make. You've actually jumped to step two and you've missed step one. And if you miss step one, you're not getting to step two. And step one of the move for us is obviously, as you touched on earlier, getting clarity first around what your actual visa options are because you could have multiple options. And if you have multiple options, which option is the best? You might have a plan A and a plan B and a plan C. You've got to get that clarified. But the first step in the move once you've got your clarity is getting ready for the move. And that doesn't mean, you know, looking at pictures of these beautiful scenery in New Zealand, watching Lord of the Rings and saying, that's it, that's where I'm going. You know, we've all done that. But that's part of, that is part of getting ready. That is part of getting ready. Yeah, getting excited, yep. The real key to getting ready for the move. And this is something that people can't do on their own. You need to be information ready. In other words, you need all the information that you need about your move, not somebody else's move. You need personal information. Internet doesn't give you that. You need to be document ready, which is what you were talking on. You need to have the paperwork you're going to need to get your visas. And you need that prepared, ideally, before you start talking to employers, because you need to be able to prove to any potential employer that you're fully prepared. Your documents are in place. Everything's good to go. And if they offer you a job of visas, do it quickly. Yes. That's the first step. You can't do that on your own. Yeah, and I had so many people in my community are like, I just applied for like 10,000 jobs and I can't get anything because they're not doing it. Okay, that makes sense. Okay, cool. That's helpful. That's great. Yeah, and what I mean by you can't do it on your own is you could tell an employer that you're fully prepared and ready to move. That doesn't mean anything to an employer. That just means you're keen. It's not proof. It's not proof. You need proof. The only way you can get proof is by using a third party to prove that you're actually ready to move. You can say, yes, we can verify that they can get a visa that they can get a paperwork. Okay, that they fall into this pathway. Okay, cool. Nice. That's really great. Okay, I see. So you first figure out what visa makes sense, then work on the job offer and then go through all the final paperwork. Yeah, so we figure out which visa makes sense and that's through a free assessment form that people fill out and even a free 15-minute call with one of our team and they'll get some clarity if that all looks good. So this is stepping people, like I say, removing the risks each step before they even spend anything. And then if everything looks good, we do an assessment, a proper full assessment with an immigration advisor and a report and that involves a 45-minute, one-hour consultation where somebody like me will go through everything in that move at the end of that call. And guys, I've seen that assessment and it's amazing because it actually outlines specifically what your skills for this particular pathway and it's really, really good. That's really good. But the important part of the assessment is actually the Zoom consultation because that's where you get all the answers to your questions and you get a clear way forward that's personalized to you and your move and what you're doing, the time frames, cost, budget, everything goes in that call. And then we move, if they do, they can take that information, go off and do it on their own or they can move forward with us. If they move forward with us, that's where we go into step one, preparing for the move. Step two, employment support to help them get the job offer. Step three is visas and step four is relocation and settling and staying. Because they're never really getting to that point unless it's actually possible. I mean, you can't like guarantee them a job but where you're putting everything in place to the best possible. Best possible position, best part. Yeah, the thing about getting a job offer, I've been doing this a long, long time and you look at people who succeed and you look at people who fail. We even analyze that in our clients. Why is this client doing really well? And this client who's identical, not doing so well. What's the difference between these two people? And we've learned through the years that quite often it's attitude. Have they got the right attitude? Are they a positive person? Are they willing to take lots of rejections and knows and keep moving forward? Or are they gonna let those rejections drag them down? Are they gonna let them drag them down? They're gonna struggle. It's the positive people with a positive attitude, people who can follow instructions. No, I know, I understand that. That's always a good one, that's always a good one. These are the core things that we look for when we initially talk to people. It's not just are they eligible for a visa is would that person get a job offer in New Zealand? Would they come across well in an interview? Is there somebody that is a good fit for us and we're a good fit for them? Because if it's not, then it doesn't work. And that's why we're here to offer help to everybody at whatever stage they're at. And some people are moving forward now, some people are moving forward six months, 12 months, two years, doesn't matter. Oh yeah, I get tons in my community that are just two years, three years. I'm gonna do this, but yeah, but it's good to get into the process. And would you recommend somebody like that to start now or do you think closer? Your community is the best place to start. I'm a massive believer in building a community where you can actually access the information that you need about your move when you need it. So you can pick the point you're at. It's not somebody saying, I need you to job to step three. When you're actually in your head going, hang on, I'm not even at step one yet. Communities are a great place to get the information you need and move forward at your own speed. And take it for when you're ready. And I think that is gotta be the first point for people just to join that and it's the best way to do it. Right, and that's kind of how we've set it up guys. It's like you come into the community and you're meeting other people that are doing the same thing that you're doing. In fact, I just had a couple in the community that are moving to the same area. So they're already making friends kind of before they go and getting your questions. And people, it's not like community jail with me so like you can come in and out. I've had people come in and now, oh, actually I don't think I'm gonna move. And then all actually, you know, six months later they might come in, that's fine. Like it's just there for you and your support. And if you're serious about moving, we have an actual pathway to get you there. If that's what you wanna do and working in will be very clear with you as to like what your pathway would be and your likelihood of getting a job and what that would look like. And also the area of the job because I talked to a lot of people about this probably the number one question I get about getting jobs, right? Is I like, for example, so like there's a shortage of teachers. And so it's easier to get in like being a teacher. And then I get a lot of people that are like, well, I've been a principal for X amount of years. I don't wanna go back to teaching and, you know but I'm like, but that might be your easiest pathway in, you know, but then in addition to that and this is really why my community would help you is let me just talk you through what teaching in New Zealand is and how it's completely different than teaching in the U.S. Because their idea of why they don't wanna do something is because they think it's the same and it's not. So- Exactly, exactly, exactly. And people are being bought to New Zealand for their skills. Not for the skills. They haven't got the skills that they've got. They do have, yes. They can go fast, you know, so. But there's so many routes to residence now and some people can get residence very, very quickly. And once you've got residence, you're free to do whatever you want, you know. So it is, you're absolutely right though. Just because you had an experience of that in your own country doesn't mean that's gonna be the same in the new country. And you've also gotta look at how long do you need to be doing that job? When I went to New Zealand, I knew I was gonna have to do something that I wasn't gonna like and I knew I was gonna have to do it for two days. But I did it, right? Because it was the only way I could get in. I went, well, if that's what I need to do, cool. You know, it gets me to where I wanna be. All right, and that's what I say, like it's not forever. You do it, you figure it out, you get to know people, you start developing network, you figure out where you wanna live. Like it's just like you're coming in with your ideas of what it is and it's just, your perspective is so limited that you need to just kind of come, you need to live, you need to give yourself a minute, okay? So many Americans come in and they're like, I come in and like, do you think it'll be two weeks is enough time to set up life? And you know what? You need to just take a minute, okay? Like moving to the other side of the world. It's okay to say, give me a month, give me six weeks, give me two months, you know? Take a minute, you know? And they're not used to that. Because that's not how you think in the US. And that's the benefit of me and in the community because I can communicate with you based on like where your frame of reference is coming from. Because honestly the values between the US and New Zealand are so opposite. And when you come here, it seems easy to set up life, it seems like the same, but just a little different. That's what it seems like when you come, but as you kind of getting into the culture, getting into the culture, getting in and you're just like, oh, this is very different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's not a massive culture shock when you first arrive, you go, oh. Right, I mean, you're speaking English. So just even with that, right? And this is kind of the same. But there's a layer of subtle differences and that layer is actually quite deep and it gets deeper and deeper and then you realize, actually this is very different overall, you know? But luckily, because there's no massive culture shock, it gives you time to adjust to the key we were like. But if you're aware of that before you move, that is so much better. Oh my goodness, I know. Because people aren't aware of that. Right, like I was here, I've been here for eight years and like I am still, I can't believe how much I'm still figuring out and how my clients that are in my community have to just be like in like a very short amount of time talking weeks, you know? They can be up to speed on like where to buy everything, you know, like how many years it took me to figure that out? And yes, you can do it yourself, you know? But it's just the time value is, yeah. Yeah, yeah, the time you can save by talking to people who've already done it or how to do it is just invaluable. And again, it's an analogy I make a lot is, you know, if you were gonna set up and establish a start-up business or whatever, you're gonna, first thing you're gonna work on is a business plan. And the next thing you're gonna do is talk to other people who are in that business or in that industry or related to it. That seems obvious to people who want to run a business. You need to treat the move in a similar way. You know, you're changing your life. You're changing your life. Surround yourself with people who've already done it is the best way. You want to grow a business, talk to people who've successful in business. You want to be a successful migrant to New Zealand, talk to people who are successful migrants to New Zealand, get off the internet forums where everyone's just moaning back. And people panic like, oh, they're saying all these bad things and I'm like, calm down. Do you know why they're saying those bad things? It's because they haven't settled in New Zealand. Do you want to follow their advice? Or do you want to follow the advice of somebody who's actually happy? Right, who's actually like, has adjusted and has been successful and has adapted to the culture and like so many, like even like Americans, like even from Wisconsin, when I first came here and like, I could tell that it, like they, like even just knowing how to function in the workplace is so different and can be very detrimental to you if you don't know what you're doing from the beginning because this is a very small place and everybody knows everybody. And if you start to burn bridges, it is really hard to get over that. And it really can happen. There's a forest fire when you burn bridges in New Zealand. It's like one person knows the other one. Yeah. You guys are small, trust me. It's crazy small. But on the flip side of that though, having that small community, that two degrees of separation that we've got in New Zealand, it makes it really easy to network as well. And networking is one of the ways to get job offer. You know, and most people don't realize that either and they don't know how to tap into those New Zealand works when they're overseas, but you can do it. And that's another thing that we guide people on, you know, tapping into networks, very easy in New Zealand. You know? That's so good. Yeah, I think that that's so helpful. It's so clear as to what the pathway would be. Excuse me. And I'm so excited to offer you guys like the best scenario, like get all of the support and the prep for you mentally, emotionally and whatever in the community. Also getting, you know, your visa, your job sorted with working in and it's a great partnership, but I'm excited. So thank you so much for joining us. No, no, no problem at all. And just one quick thing before we go, Tara. You know, I want to make it very clear to people in your community as well. It is very much about that. It's not us just jumping into your community and saying, you know, let's sign up as many people as we can because this is going to be awesome. It's actually adding value. And then people who want to move forward will naturally move forward. And the people that wear a good fit and where it will just happen naturally, you know, it's a natural process. And the value that your community brings to us and what we do is, you know, you know, these people, we get to know these people before they even commit to anything. Right, because what I do really is really at the beginning where I say like, does this make sense for you? You know, does this, do you really want to do this? Because they have this like, can I really leave my family? Am I going to ruin my kids? Am I going to, you know, all these big questions and they like, they've seen me do it. And so they're like, they want to talk to me and I talk to them and like, let's work through that. You know, that is kind of the first step for you to like really think about what your goals are and what this looks like and what are your options. And then I can sell you all day long on the lifestyle but if you can't actually come here, it doesn't matter. And so this is why working together is going to be so good. I'm so excited to finally like, I feel like offering a service that is full. Full, every aspect is covered. Everything that you need if you want to move, if you want to just talk about the possibility of move, like everything is there. Because honestly, it's really just because I would have really liked to have that. And now that I've been here for eight years and can see how long it took me to get to this point because immigration, like you're saying was different and was more straightforward. We didn't need anything more than the immigration site really to get it going because the pathways were clear. Now it's not possible. It's not possible to do it without an immigration company. And so this is why I've done this because like I'm very limited in what I can do because I can't give the advice. I can only do all of this other stuff. And so yeah, so I'm very excited about this. I'm very excited for you guys to be working with them as well. Please don't hesitate to ask questions, comment below like what you would like to know. Paul will be around more. You'll probably see his face on the channel a bit more. Definitely if you're in my community and I'll put a link to all the stuff that we talked about today. I have a free masterclass that gets you started if you're really considering the move and lots of things to think about. And anyway, so thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you Tara.