 Let's get started. We are all here. Good evening to Japan. Good early morning to Alaska and Arizona and a wonderful time in Boston and Buffalo. And we have, of course, in Norway and Oslo, you're getting ready for dinner. Okay, good. Welcome everybody. Not yet. Some of us have dinner at the more central European times, not in the afternoon. So welcome everybody. I also wanted to create everybody out there. We have 16 people right now. Those sessions, as you all know, are open. One thing we all hate as session organizers or speakers is session hoppings in the good old days when you get off the chair and open the door, close the doors. This is now not forbidden anymore. People like myself, hoppings, and nobody even knows about it. So welcome everybody. And I'm really, really happy that you were able to join under this very difficult circumstances. I want to also give a shout out to our EAA Secretariat, Katka, you just saw, and everybody on the board worked extremely hard to make that possible. And I think it is a really big success to have at least once a year an opportunity to talk about research or to talk about climate change and heritage, what we will do today. So my name is Peter Beale. I'm the chair of the Climate Change and Heritage Roundtable together with Vipke Van Drogh-Martens and Elin Dahlen, both from Niku in Oslo. I'm from the University of Buffalo. Not quite right, Peter. Sorry. We haven't gotten Elin to move her workplace. She's still working at the Director of Social Heritage. Sorry, sorry. We will introduce ourselves later on when we do the roundtable. So a couple of housekeeping things. We have our six panelists. We're waiting for Jeff Alschule, who had some trouble the day before with his internet. I have his presentation, so we have that. We tried always in this roundtable to have a wide range of professional associations from around the world, and I will introduce everybody in a second. Jeff is joining right now. We were also expected to have Elizabeth Chiltern. She is the new chair of the theology section of the American Appalachian Association, and also Marcy Rockman, who was supposed to represent ECOMOS. So, but we have Marcy Rockman's ECOMOS presentation ready, and I asked anyways everybody to speak and to prepare more like an oral statement because I was quite aware that there are all those technological issues. So, so that's what I asked everybody to do. Let me just report. I'm sure you have all received as members because everybody was here has to be a member. You have all received the report of the communities. It's about a three page report, which I don't want to go through in detail, because it's very short this year. We had very, you know, beginning to think about what we do. VAC was cancelled. SAA was cancelled where we were supposed to have a session and so on and so forth. Individual conferences were cancelled. The thought is really that individuals of us did continue their work, but as a community, we were rather inactive in regard to organizing roundtables and so on and so forth. I would get to that later on, but the good news is, we have a tally. I don't know how many members all the 20 communities have and we are number three. So we get the bronze medal. We have over, I think we have 57 members and on our community and we have postings. We have a repository and so on and so forth. I'm quite happy about that. And we also, I found out yesterday night from the vice president that we have been renewed. So we have been renewed officially another three years and we can talk about that also a little bit later. So what I thought we were going to do today and we discussed we had a pre-meeting with Aileen and Wipke. We wanted to do two things. Number one, as usual, we go around the table, the screen and first starting with our professional organizations and just telling us what has been going on at your professional organization in regard to climate change and heritage. And this can be done in a way which kind of activities, initiatives, sessions, individual research, policy, funding, whatever you want. I also would like you to talk a little bit about the challenges. And I will talk personally also about that because in America and Jeff and Ben and also Anne can echo that and can talk from your corners. It seems to be that a lot of grant funding organizations have also slowed down and postponed calls and so on and so forth. But we will hear from everybody. And then the second part is that we go around and I will then ask everybody. I'm not sure whether I can invite actually people to the session, but we use the chat. I think the chat to ask questions for the panelists or also the chat to be able to present your institution and tell us a little bit about what you do where you see the challenges at the current time. I would then think that at the very end, so the last hour or so, we would like to spend the time of this roundtable and again it's not a session, it's a roundtable. We at least, Aline and I, we had this idea that we would like you to ask about what you think about the next step. What should we do better? What are we doing well? What could we do? And we had one idea, the three of us is thinking about something which connects us all. And we all do very good work individually, writing plans, doing surveys, teaching and so on and so forth. But what has been missing is an overall structure, a grant, which could look like the disco project. EAA members here know about the disco project. It's a long term project showing with European funding and basically was a result of showing us or giving us an idea what each individual European country is doing in regard to professional archaeology. And that was just like what the three of us were thinking, could we maybe think in getting something together on a structural basis and on a policy and not so much our individual research, but thinking about that we take stock, what is out there? And what do we do in order to bring all those organizations and institutions and individuals together with an outcome a little bit like this very successful disco project. So with that said, that is basically what we thought we, we, how we would structure, but again it's a roundtable, especially after we go around and giving our short statements. So if you have any discussion and please do use the chat box here on the right side, and I will monitor the chat box, so I will bring those questions and all up to you. Without further ado, I would say, let's get started and maybe get started with, because we, not that Kochi is falling asleep later on, because it's already like 1130pm in Japan. Why don't we start with Kochi, and then we go to the SAA, and then we go to the AIA, and then we go to IKAMAS, and then we go to a very new, not that new anymore, but an amazing new coalition, CVAS and Jeff Akshaw. Okay. Good. Kochi, take it on for me. Good afternoon everyone from late evening Japan. As you know, WAC has postponed our meeting, which was to have happened by now, in which we want to have a number of sessions directly concerning climate change and global change and other very pressing related topics. We had hoped to have at least a couple or more sort of propositions for WAC to adopt as formal policies to come out, tabled for approval. In our meeting, designated towards the end of our Congress, but now it has to be postponed for one year, so we are now focusing on doing something one by one. We catch our leader in the form of issuing statements. We have had already a couple of statements concerning climate change and global change, one of which was our statement on Amazon fires, which we did last March. It had already been a while since that ongoing disaster caught the eyes of the world in the form of the widely reported incidents of killing of indigenous people in relation to the destruction of the forest by fire. So we had a fact-finding mission, albeit virtually, to our colleagues in Brazil and somewhere in the Amazon area. And then we issued a statement. That was one thing which we did, which was directly related to climate change. We were also approached by Brazilian members about their current administration's policy of discouraging any activity from any academic schools to stand up against their policy of de facto allowing the firing of the forest. We are still working on the statement, but then it will come through shortly. That will also address issues concerning climate change as a part of it. That is what we are doing. That is in direct relation to climate change initiative. But hopefully next year, if we are to meet in person, we will have a number of statements to be issued from work 9, which are to be directly related to climate change issues. And I'm pretty sure that some of you might be involved in one of these sessions, which have already been accepted to work 9. So work 9 will be a substantial opportunity for us to express our not only concerns but then try to disseminate our message in a concrete and substantial way. That is what I can report from the work side. Thank you. Thank you. Peter, you need to turn on your mic again. The famous Zoom. Hey, you did, right? Okay. Yeah, thank you very much. And clearly, I think Lika will present it. We'll have a session back. Is there any way, is there still an open call for new sessions or is it only that the old sessions? We will do sometime twice the end of September and early October for a set number of sessions to be submitted and accepted, although the number wise, the program has pretty much filled up. So it's up to how many sessions will drop out of the schedule that will determine us how many additional sessions to be allowed. But there is still some room for sure. So please keep your eye on our website where we will advertise some additional call for sessions shortly. And also, is there already planning going on for a virtual meeting or a hybrid meeting? A hybrid, perhaps, because two congresses ago, we had a proposal of shifting to that mode already, but then back then, we didn't have any technology backing up that idea. So we have been putting that idea on hold, but we realize it may be high time for us to make work to be partially online whereby to cancel out our carbon footprint for those of us who have to travel a long way. Yeah, so that is happening on our agenda, too. Excellent. Any other questions for Kochi? From the chat, please. We do, because again, it's a roundtable. Please type in your questions when you listen to a speaker and then I can ask the speaker right away. And then afterwards when you open the floor for all of you, again, please use the chat and also the panelists, you can ask yourself questions. So anybody else on the panel wants to comment or ask Kochi a question? Yes, thank you again Kochi. And it was sad that we had to cancel, but that was for obvious reasons. And let's just hope that it will be possible to have a physical meeting next year. And I think there might also still be some openings in some of the sessions. I'm not sure. In the region of 10 or something, but perhaps less than 20. But we still set aside some room for additional session proposals, which will take place sometime between the end of September throughout October. So please keep your eye on our website. We'll do. And for those of you who are interested, it's Sarah AS Rigby and Ellie Graham, and myself who are arranging a session called Strangely Enough Climate Change and Heritage. Fantastic. In case some of the speakers of this particular session drop out, is that also a lower level? Can session organizers also fill spots or is it only on the session level? Through the spot, perhaps. Yeah, still. We are trying to be very flexible. Excellent. Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right, Mike should be on. All right, there's a couple of things in here I'm going to kind of hop over because I think Marcy probably is going to cover them or you will cover them for Marcy. We've been pretty active. I would say C star members, which some of which overlap with members of this committee fairly heavily as well as others. I've done a lot of session organizing there was a full full day session actually at Inco last year. And so I know several members presented on my actually had to be done by proxy because I was in the field. You know, there was obviously the community mentioned the community change round table. Obviously, we know about that. But we also had a lot of participation in a climate change session at the last year's Canadian archaeological meetings. And we were going to have two sessions bond actually two sponsored sessions at the SAA is this year. There was going to be a poster session entitled beyond triage prioritizing responses to climate change impacts on archaeological resources and then we're going to have a companion forum. The old that's worth saving happily prioritized when we can't save them all. Obviously, we're somewhat concerned about prioritization I would say the system, at least in the US is not, you know, it's, it's still very much driven by people doing research proposals. And there's no consideration given to the, the issues, you know, if you're choosing between two proposals, whether a site is going to vanish in two years or is going to be there for the next, you know, 50 doesn't seem to be, you know, isn't something that has been factored in. And a lot of us are concerned about that because it's, it's, it's been a, you know, it was sort of a tentative park service practice here in the US and most others followed them that you preserved everything in place. And it's only now that they're starting to realize that say in Alaska, that's not really preserving things in place. It's more like letting them rot in place. You know, because you're going from essentially perfect preservation down to soft tissue to, you know, what you get more in the rest of the world. I mean, I used to work in the mid Atlantic, where you get literally. Yeah, if it's not recent, it's, you know, just stone tools. So anyway, so we are going to have to reschedule those sessions. We've actually submitted them recently. And I think most of the, the same presenters are going to be able to participate. The committee's going to meet virtually itself. They gave us several options and we picked the virtual one because that way it doesn't really matter if the meetings happen or not. And we're also looking at ways to hold the sessions virtually several, several of the members have actually volunteered their university zoom, you know, as hosts, if necessary, Peter being one of them. Because, you know, we just can't, can't pause things forever waiting for, for essay to get themselves together to provide a basis. So, there's, let's see, a couple of members, Adam Markham and Marcy were chapter lead authors for Nicomash report called the future of our past engaging cultural heritage and climate action. So they're really trying to push attention to cultural heritage into the sort of broader climate change response fear because it's it's been pretty neglected both the effects of climate change on cultural heritage and also what. Archaeology can tell us that might actually be useful for adapting to at least climate change. So several other people were, were reviewers of various drafts and Adam has organized a piloting of a new climate vulnerability index so that's, that's kind of a good thing. Tim Kohler another one of our members has is a lead author one of the lead authors for the North American chapter of the sixth annual assessment or six assessment report of the IPCC. And he's working on a manuscript with Marcy intense about the IPCC for archaeologists so hopefully that'll be forthcoming. There's been a lot of a lot of work around community, I guess I'll say community citizen science, Maine, Virginia, and obviously Florida and California are all pretty active and we're still working on Alaska. There's a new citizen science app actually for Virginia that's being piloted by by volunteers for the archaeological site of Virginia, obviously this is modeled on that far more advanced European models, you know, escape and citizen and whatever. You know people now there's there's, it's a little harder in the United States because the cultural, the site locations are protected information in the United States, unlike in Europe. They literally cannot be revealed under a freedom of information act request and you can get darn near anything under a FOIA request if you can back it up but they are literally by law exempt from that because of looting is basically the issue. You know there's been various ways people have gotten around it. The folks in Florida have been using cemeteries kind of as a proxy for a lot of sites because cemeteries are location cemeteries is not protected. So they can talk about them on the web. They actually ran into an issue with the Florida ship because they had a site that was showing up on their, their material now this site had a rest area, a visitor center signage on the highway telling you you know go to the site. Big parking lots the whole nine yards I mean it was interpreted, you know, like Scarabray whatever just think of any site in your country, and they were still, they still had an issue the ship also had an issue with them having the location of that site on their maps despite the fact that you could find it on any map produced by the state of Florida. So, you know there's obviously some challenges. So, obviously, the because been pretty active and should probably mention more about it. We have been able to set up Facebook and Twitter pages they haven't been particularly active because I haven't really been able to get a lot of assistance in in moderating and whatnot. But the idea is to be able to get out information quickly to the community and also as a place for people who may want to seek quick advice there's a historic preservation Facebook page that you know I think is a good model for that. We're trying to build we're building a big collection of documents and links to sites I mean I've got all this stuff. You know stored and we're trying to get essay to approve a static web page or pages on their on their website. So that people can access this and we're trying to have that be not members only but an outward facing thing there's you know both for the public and also there's a lot of archaeologists who do to various Unfortunately, this is within the essay and I would say kind of trip ups by some of the leadership are no longer interested in being members. So they wouldn't be able to access the website even though they are still practicing archaeologists so the idea is to get that that hasn't as far as I can tell actually had board approval because everything slowed down. We were making good progress till coven. I've been working a lot actually with permafrost people. I'm actually co PI and to permafrost projects, trying to bring realization that there's cultural heritage and disappearing with permafrost not just infrastructure of the classical sort. So I'm, you know, I'm working on that I'm also working on my colleagues in Alaska because. They still are kind of I think they're almost paralyzed by, by the enormity of the problem but I'm helping to organize the the Alaska anthropological association meeting for next year which is going to be fully virtual. And we will have a session. We will have a session if I have to. Anyway, I think that's that's kind of a wrap. You know, we haven't been as active as we could be because of coven, you know, it stopped a lot of stuff and I know a lot of people's research has been stalled here in Alaska, you know, villages don't want people coming in from outside. So my funding runs to the University of Alaska Fairbanks. I can't go to any community off the road system, even though I live in one off the road system. You know, with university grant funding so that's, that's just pretty much it. Because they're really, really trying to avoid being the people that bring it to the some village and, you know, kill a lot of people so. Yeah, so that's that's essay. Thank you. Thank you very much. This is really amazing that we are still seeing so much work and I can I can share with you, our vice president and president for research is published, we had a zoom meeting with leadership. And he said, well, our research expenditure means that the writing whether we get whether we get the grants or not increase 20%. So, unfortunately, there are also, you know, like positive aspects of COVID that people seem to have more time to write up things and I would like to spend some time later on, especially on this research. So, and, you know, if the essay, if they don't want to host you with all your information and links. Well, we have community repository. It just occurred to me earlier earlier in this call is like, hmm, you know, maybe. Mars is very active so and you have a view if you have access you can post yourself in the repository, or if you don't want to do that send it to me and I'm posting it. And this is really like so important and we could just put some publications out here. You can click and then have download and now these are the new things we should really use and I do believe the idea of the community is to make us bigger than we are in our institution and even in our professional organization. So, please do check out the community, the community website and repository. And if somebody posts something, you all get an automatic message. Then, you know, you can go and upload and look at it and all that. So, so please use that that tool which comes with your membership. Any, any questions for, for an. Yeah, and this is Jeff. And I'm going to try to turn on my video but I may freeze but the one of the things, you know, in the United States obviously we're facing an election. And I, I know that it's not premature that, you know, if, if, if the Trump administration is reelected then I think the, you know, we understand what that looks for looks like for climate change. So, if Biden is able to win, it would provide an opportunity to have a different discussion about how deal with some of the issues affecting both heritage and long term social change. And I just wonder if it's, you know, for the SAA, for you guys to work with the government affairs committee to come up with a, an agenda. Now, that might, you might have a better chance with getting it implemented if we, if we are active now that that's all I have to say. Thanks. I will reach out to other committee members and government affairs and see what can be done. Excellent. Good. And if you need any, if you need any backup from around the world just tolerate and be glad to help you out. Excellent. Okay. Ben. You're muted. Okay. I think I'm unmuted now. Well, first of all, good afternoon on behalf of the AI I would like to thank the organizers of the round table, Peter, Elin and Bipka for inviting us again to this discussion. The year since burn has been one of transitions for the AI. We have welcomed in a new president. Leticia Lafollette who's at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst. We have a new executive director who I think two weeks into her job had to shut down the office. And so we've been working remotely since March. And we are in the middle of creating a new strategic plan for the AI in which climate change is and social justice are topics that are going to be considered by the board as they create this new strategic plan that will take us through the next five years. The changes in our programs, of course, our pandemic related changes. We are our annual meeting, which is to be in Chicago in 2021 will now be virtual. A lot of our programs, many of which are in person have to be changed. I guess an unintended but not negative consequence of the pandemic has been that we have gotten a lot greener. Our lecture program which sends 100 lectures out is now all virtual. So we have reduced carbon signature and in fact the money that we would normally spend on sending them out the travel costs have all been transferred to helping all our societies to get zoom licenses and upgrade zoom licenses so they can make the lecture program more accessible. So that actually has been a little bit of a benefit and societies are now thinking of themselves as not just geographically circumspect but in fact are opening up to. Not just other members but people in general who can now log in and listen to these scholars. I'm going to read a short statement that the AI from the AI and then I'll be happy to take questions if anyone has any. The AI would like to reaffirm its commitment to promoting sustainable and ethical archaeology that uncovers and illuminates the past, while respecting the realities and challenges of the present day. The Institute continues to make changes to its 140 year old structure and operations that acknowledge and address current issues like climate change and social injustice. These actions include but are not limited to supporting through our grants and fellowships new technologies and research that minimize impact on archaeological sites and the environmental context in which they exist. We're supporting archaeological site preservation that creates a long term sustainable site management and conservation by reducing our carbon footprint by encouraging the widespread use of digital resources and publications by converting traditionally in person events to work to virtual ones and by including topics of sustainability and social injustice in our annual meetings, special webinars events and our lecture program. We're advocating for a sustainable future to our publications, websites and social media platforms that reach millions of people each year. The AI is committed to expanding these efforts and through participation in sessions like this one we hope to be an even better informed partner and ally to our colleagues who continue to work to it in fronting and solving the issues of climate changes impact on archaeological heritage. So, again, on behalf of the AI, thank you for inviting us. Thank you for making us part of this conversation. And like I'm here mostly to listen and to see how we can be of assistance. Thank you. Thank you. I'm mute. No, I'm not mute. Thank you very much, Ben. And if I may say if I start off here, I'm not sure about back and I'm not sure about the essay, but your statement you just read seems to be very powerful. And so is that is that really official? Is that on the website or is that how do you deal with statements like that and what what were the, it was not necessarily just focused on climate change, but how do we as organizations feature and highlight our values in form of policy, mission statement, vision statement. We had yesterday, for instance, if some of you were at the, at the business meeting, we had a very good discussion, but at the very end, for technical reasons, it wasn't adopted. We have a new EAA policy statement on gender, equality, diversity and protection, right. It's like a, what is it, a four page, five page, six page statement. And so, and it's very difficult because you have we are membership membership organization. And if somebody votes no, and especially in a virtual environment, it was not possible for us really to adopt it. So, Ben, could you talk us through where that statement, how that statement came about and is it on the website, or what are the, what are the plans with the statement. So the statement that I just read to you was actually one that was crafted purely for this session and for the purposes because you asked us to participate and to give a statement we have actually just sort of written this for for that purpose. Because to your question, can we share the statement, I will certainly take the statement back to the executive committee and who is meeting actually in a week or so and we will, we will, and I will bring it up with that to see how they feel about that I, my feeling is that maybe with a few edits, it'll be, it'll be available but that is a decision that I will encourage them to sort of make a decision on that. Of course, for us right now, in fact, because of the situation, not just the pandemic related issues, but with, with the sort of the social issues that you're seeing in the US currently, a lot of our thinking and commitment has been towards addressing social injustice. So the biggest statement that we have made, most recently with other institutions with other organizations, and that's on our website addresses that issue of social injustice. The executive committee and our board felt that that was the focus right now they have. They have put together a task group to discuss what the AI can do, going forward, and how we will, how we can connect with other organizations, because we have the sort of hybrid audience of both professional members and hybrid and lay members. We have to address both audiences and currently the first steps that is taken has been to address that professional audience. They are first step in that was creating a series of webinars that has been that I've been talking about the historicity of race and racial relations and the topics and talking about things like decolonizing the classics. And so, it's been a series of webinars for the professional audience. I think the most recent of which was, but I think this past Thursday, which had I think over 500 people who had registered to to to discuss the topic. Now, or to hear from the panelists. Our next step, and this is what we're considering now and we will be considering in the next few months is how we as an organization respond to what is currently happening and how we coordinate with other organizations and so that's what we are exploring right now. So, AI, it moves slowly. And so, despite the urging of some of us to to act in a more expedient manner. Of course, we have to sort of get these gears going and our hope is that the in the fall, we will be addressing this on a more present day level as opposed to sort of this ancient talking about the ancient. Classics and, you know, the discipline as such. So that that's that's where we are right now we are actively considering this. There has been a call to reach out to other groups like the SAEA, EA, WAC, ASOR, and all these groups to come together to have this conversation in a more sort of holistic way, addressing the needs of all organizations because we're all confronting the same things are very similar issues, I should say. Excellent. Any comments or questions from the panel, or from our audience. If nobody else has, and I'd like to say, well, yes, I think that is really important that you're engaging so much in social injustice now because I mean, watching CNN every day is like waking up to a nightmare. And it's like the worst reality show on earth going on every day and it's not something some crazy mind invented. This is actually happening and and these are issues that need to be dealt with now and can't be ignored. So fingers crossed when you remember that. Yes, exactly. Any other comments or questions. Okay, then what you just said is important and and I'm jumping a little bit here. I'm going to say it now that everybody can think about it is that even initiatives and initiatives on the level of what you just mentioned that we reach out to the organization. We have to make sure that we as a community of the is consulted. This is now internal but I think it's it's definitely at the EA, but I think of other organization as well was actually talking. How is information filter down to quote unquote, the lobby group, the specialist or whatever or is it staying on the executive board and decisions are made without consultation. And I do believe the, the ideas of the communities our president had Philip we created Guadal was exactly that to break that down and to make more bottom up policy. That means if the a hopefully will reach out to the EA a this will actually be sent to or we as a community will be consulted as well. I think that's really important, especially on in the time. And I'm hopeful of a post, not only covert but also post Trump time that we can again think of on the global level and making those connections because that's how we become stronger. And that's how we get informed, not just in our country and in our region. And, but globally and I think this is important point and we have to really think about policy and I will talk about that a little bit later, but I just want to make that point. We have here questions. Thank you for your talk then to everybody can be there for imagine such a big conference to take place in a live way again, and have a high CO2 impact again, for example, by flying to the conference. Or are we supposed to keep on meeting virtually, even after the pandemic for the environmental and social reasons. Hey, wonderful point. I let the panel answer I just can answer as a university administrator. You know, it's, we have to think especially about archaeology and anthropology. That is really a dangerous situation where you are in right now that you have to argue, not only for each conference in the post pandemic, you have to go to, but even fieldwork. You want to go where travel is involved. So I do believe we have to be, especially in our field oriented research. Be very, very careful that administrators at the local universities are not cutting, because that's an easy cut to travel or keep the travel budget zero as it is right now. But comments, Ben, or anybody else on that question. Yeah, I just put it in the chat as well. I mean, you know, this this is has been an eye opening experience for all of us. And certainly for the AIA. You know, we are seriously talking about how we move forward. And as I said, we're already considering things like board meetings, executive committee meetings, these in person meetings, changing them to more virtual events. But of course, things like our lecture program, which is our physical connection between our lectures and the audience and the society members. Those are harder to do. And so we are trying to figure that out. But even even so, our general conversation has been about hybridizing almost everything that we do. And even which will of course minimize or help to lessen our environmental impact. But also I think one of the things that we're really, really concerned about is accessibility and making sure that what we do is accessible to all. And I think that hybridization that's the one thing that we have discovered is that it really does increase our audience and it makes our information available to people who cannot physically get to meetings who cannot travel to certain spaces. So that is something that we are talking about. Of course, no decisions have been made. There are very practical impacts to decreasing in person events, revenue being one of them. And so that also has to be considered. Everything has to be balanced. And so we'll see as we go forward. But like I said, we are in the process of creating a new strategic plan for the next five to 10 years. And this is a serious part of the discussion. Anybody else wants to chip in and then be here. Yeah, so I actually virtually gave a paper, I think at last last year's meeting in the decarbonizing archaeology session, where I pointed out sort of kind of remote, I think most of the session was actually kind of done by remote. We cobbled it together ourselves, and it could have been way better judging by this year. But, you know, I did point out that there are certain issues with disadvantaged communities, you know, who don't already have the networking capability. There are issues for those who are at small institutions where they're the only archaeologists, you know, there's not a big department, you know, connections, so on and so forth. So we need to, I think that we definitely need to have the hybrid thing, but I think we need to also think about not just the sessions, but, but how to replicate some of those other things that people get out or we're going to, you know, be disadvantaged and disadvantaged people who are not, you know, the dominant ethnic group and, you know, well already, you know, educated and come from families who are educated, you know, first generation scholars and, and people who are remote. The other thing of course is that, you know, I have probably, I have the best bandwidth you can get here in town and you would not believe what I pay for it. It's not cheap. You probably all have better connections than I do and I bet you don't pay half of what I do. Maybe except Jeff. You're probably getting five to six times the minimum what I pay. Okay. So, and this is only probably working because everybody else in town is still in bed. You know, so that that that's always a kind of an issue. So, you know, that that you take a little bit into account but I, on the other hand, I can't go to a meeting without flying a minimum of 1000 miles. There and back. You know, that's assuming it's in Fairbanks, which is the closest place to me that anybody ever has meetings. So, you know, virtual is a good thing in general. So, but I think a hybrid model and actually setting up, you know, there was much song and dance and whaling from SAA this about this next one and actually about the past one about setting up any kind of AV assistance or virtual stuff and, you know, oh, we can't do zoom and this and that and the other thing and, you know, I subscribe to zoom personally and can host 100 people, and I pay that out of pocket. So I can't, you know, the SAA can't pony up for something slightly larger can't be that much more. I mean, really, you know, I can, I can tell you just for all of you, because I see that most of you were not at the business meeting. So you can take that back and those numbers are public. So this year costs $30,000 a euro, the hop in this conference just 30,000, 30,000 a year. If you're not running a hall, you're not doing a, you know, I mean, obviously the SAA has contracts years out and so they have to go with them but, but, you know, there's, there's, you know, there's lots of expenses to hosting a conference, you know, moving all that stuff, moving the staff, paying for the hall, you know, you go on and on and on. I mean, yeah, you know, $30,000 or even $100,000 is probably way cheaper. Yes, I'm sorry, I just got a small distraction here. But yes, I think that Mari also commented in the chat that that virtual events don't mean less income necessarily because of all these, I mean, you can also charge for this. I know that the A chose not to charge anything for this conference for those who are already members just the membership fee, but you could have charged a fee for participating in a virtual conference as well. But, but also to maybe I jumped in the cat maybe. So, so we shouldn't I don't want to get stuck too much about the conference. Just let me tell you, I threw out one thing there. And that is, archaeology is not just, you know, the conferences are not just coming together and present research. We support local economies. And there was a question about how normally, what does it cost to organize a conference that I cannot tell you this way because there's so much back and forth in regard to what we bring in regard to sponsorship. But please let me remind you one thing. And that's what I see a danger and I mentioned it was fieldwork. But I can also tell you that excursions for me personally, but for so many members and I know that for my work on the executive board, we're crucial to come to the CAA conference. And we are archaeologists. And if you really go and see, not virtually a site, which is under threat in regard to talk about climate change and heritage, or a beautiful open air site, I mean, all that. We have to think about that because that if we are just going virtual, that is just going away. And then, and I'm sure Jeff will talk about it later on is the question, do we actually need to excavate anymore because we have already so much data out there. And then you get in my opinion, in this vicious circle where administrators are saying, and whether it's local universities or politicians say, don't let a crisis go without any good changes, right. I mean, crisis is can be used to rethink, especially what the cool of our profession is, and that's much reality. And we are talking here now also about virtuality but our core is much reality. And that is really something we have to think about. So, if we could just move on. And because again, I do believe we all are surprised about the effectiveness of those conferences, virtual conference, the positive effects they have in regard to carbon footprint in regard to budgets, which can be then used like Ben said so nicely for other things. But again, it comes in and starts with equity and access. And so that is really not okay that and has to pay out of pocket to do her profession. So, just like to say that, and we can come come back to it, because I also will talk about keel, which has climate change as one of the main topics and I need to get your input on that. Okay, thank you very much if there are no more questions for Ben. I would move over to to Marcy, right. And if we could pull that up and you double click you know that now you double click on the present on the on the screen then you have, then you can read it. You want to present it. You just want to read through it. Just just a sec. I'm just opening it so to full screen presentation. So I will share it with you in just a second. I only have one hand now. Okay, quickly. So I cannot we cannot answer that question in regard you can look at the budget figures which are in the in the TEA in the European archaeologist, where you see figures but at the very end, you know there's no clear cut how much does it cost a meeting, because it's, it's a really very complex budgeting there. Okay, you want to you want to walk us through. Okay. You're frozen again. It's a frozen. Yeah, you're back you're back maybe yeah turn off the video maybe. Okay. If you double click the presentation it'll double in size so it's easier for you to watch. So, this is then master rockman's presentation over the update on the climate culture heritage and the IPCC project. See chip. I don't want to do that. I just need to get it to move to the next slide which is to want to do. While we're waiting for it to switch to the next slide which apparently takes a while. I am just going to alert you all to the fact that this round table session is also being recorded. In the last sessions. We asked that specifically though they said they wouldn't report the round table so that we will be able to share this with those who couldn't be here. I don't know what happened to the PowerPoint. There we are. So, So the goals of this sea chip was to host an IPCC coach on sort of expert meeting on cultural heritage and climate change, and then assess the state of knowledge on connections of culture heritage and climate. And to use all that as a catalyst for new partnerships and work and potentially including a special report on culture heritage and climate. And as you can see here, the partners are ECOMOS UNESCO, IUCN, ICLEI and the Facilitative Working Group of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, Local Communities and Indigenous Peoples Platform. And the scientific questions were then about the systemic connections of culture heritage and climate change. In the case of knowing Western approaches to science, climate change itself has an history after all communities. The second one, cultural governance, who decides what heritage is and how is heritage knowledge managed. The third one, loss, damage and adaptation for culture and heritage, vulnerability, significance, prioritisation, adaptive preservation methods. And the capacity to learn from the past, using data knowledge from the past and climate models and policy, finding common ground between climate and heritage approaches to research questions. And the fifth scientific question is then the roles of culture and heritage in transformative change and alternative sustainable futures. The capacity of historic buildings and landscapes to all carbon and heritage as inspiration. Sorry, I can't even read this because it's covering this stupid bit is covering the screen. So probably we will be able to share this PowerPoint with you later on the repository as well. We just need to double check with Marcy, but then you can read the full text. But the IPCC said yes on June 18. So, there will now be a scientific steering committee identifying 50 to 75 global representatives for the meeting. They will then commission a series of white papers just of knowledge around the five scientific questions. There will be a series of preparatory online events in the first half of 2021. And a meeting is anticipated to be held online in the middle of next year. And that was it from Marcy. You want me to leave this on or should I just close it again? Close it again and we can go back on. Thank you. Any questions or comments? Maybe I start. I do believe that you see that e-commerce is very active and Kochi was just at a meeting there as well. And I also can report that I was at a social science panel for climate change. And I think that was two years ago it was reported and the white paper came out out of that. And I tell you, I'm sure you all on academia and research gate and so on and so forth. But that paper, that white paper has been cited so many times that I really do believe that everybody should be very active on that level, on the policy level. And so Marcy is our representative there. If you have any questions and I will write to Marcy. I'm sure because she has constantly posted on the repository that she's happy to not only have this PowerPoint there, but also to be a point person to connect the e-commerce and climate change initiative with us here. So again, I can all of you working individually all on those in associations policy and being on those committees, being co-authors of white papers. I know it's a lot of work. I've done it, but it's really worth it. It's really worth it. And that's where I want to come at the very end of this session. A more structural approach. How can we be more impactful in regard to climate change and heritage? Okay, any. That sounds great news. Yes, Marie, that I really think this is terrific. And so sorry that Marcy couldn't couldn't be here today. Any comments? Any other comments to Ikemos? I think Ellen is also working with the Ikemos question. But maybe we've lost her. No, there she is. I'm here. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Connected to the World Heritage, it's already a policy document on the impacts of climate actions on World Heritage properties. That was adopted in 2007. And this policy is now on an update. There is a group working with the update. And the new policy, well, it's an ongoing work. So we don't know about that yet. But I think they will try to take into consideration the Paris Agreement and other climate and heritage related multilateral agreements. Processes and instruments, including the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, the 2015 Sundive framework on disaster risk reduction, and the 2016 New Urban Agenda and the 2020 Global Biodiversity Framework. So things are going on. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you very much for the report, reporting out. Any other comments to Ikemos? What was the question when you were saying that it wasn't related to climate change when you were saying you had an Ikemos meeting? You're muted. The meeting I was involved was the meeting to approve the idea of having a virtual annual Congress of Ikemos. So that was the first time for the history of Ikemos to have it approved, I think. So it itself was incidentally perhaps the first step for Ikemos to become environmentally friendly, I think. Excellent. Okay, good. No more questions about in the chat. So, Ike, if you could load Jeff's presentation and Jeff can walk us through. It's a PDF. Jeff, are you with us? I'm here. Can you... Okay. Yep. At some point, I want to have everybody on screen because I want to do a screenshot, okay? Okay, so we are switching off our videos now and Jeff, close yours. Okay. Well, thanks, everybody. I really appreciate the opportunity to speak. I'm going to talk about a relatively new organization called the Coalition for Archaeological Synthesis. Can we get the next slide? Okay. The Coalition is only a couple of years old. It started in 2017. And it basically is a confluence of a couple of things that happen. One is, personally, I was in cultural heritage management all my career. And that was, you know, we did that work under the premise that we were doing something useful. And it wasn't just about saving sites, and it wasn't just about learning a particular set, a particular archaeology around a project. And that we actually could contribute to larger issues. But over time, the practice of CRM in particularly in the United States became very project-based. And so there was very little incentive to try and bring all those data together. I think the statistics in Europe and North America are similar. There's somewhere on the order of 20,000 field projects done in the United States every year. And my guess is that's reasonably close to Europe. There's close to 3,000 to 4,000 excavations done every year under CRM in the United States. And my guess is that's not that different. And of course, when we talk, it's one thing to talk about North American Europe, but it's transforming the entire discipline. It's all over Asia, Africa, Latin America. So we have a tremendous amount of data that we had not been doing much more than learning about particular projects. And so that was what we wanted to leverage all the money the public had spent on archaeology into something bigger. And we also felt strongly that we should be able to enter the debate and address issues that affected the public, such things as climate change. And so the coalition was started. The coalition is partner organizations. They're 47, they're somewhere between 45 and 50 of them around the world, from China to Latin America, everywhere. And in addition to organizations like the EAA, the SAA, Departments of Anthropology and museums and NGOs, we also have associates, which are individuals who can become part of the coalition of partners pay a small amount, associates are free. And we also, so the coalition is a coalition of partners of groups. And we wanted to have, because we wanted to work on issues dealing with social challenges, we wanted to have the results resonate outside of our discipline, particularly into public policy. And so we decided that the best way to do that was to partner the coalition, which is a bottom up kind of organization with an administrative center at a university. And that university, we put it out to bid the University of Colorado at Boulder has successfully set up the Center for Collaborative Synthesis and Archaeology. And there's a memorandum of understanding about how the coalition of partners works with the center and what the responsibilities are. Okay, the next slide, please. So we work on various themes. We wanted to list a couple. We have funded several projects, one on biodiversity, one on fire management, and we did one that the EAA and the SAA sponsored on human migration. We are putting together a project right now on social inequality that we hope to get funded and it will start actually in Keel next year. And then we had a committee of our partners put together the issues that they felt needed to be addressed with archaeological, that could be addressed with archaeological information. And that, you know, sort of ranked in terms of what is important. And so you see them here, their climate change colonialism, food securities, so on and so forth. And I want to make sure everyone understands that, you know, what we're trying to do is identify themes. So we will then be sending out to partners and associates to look at those themes, look at the types of questions we think can be addressed with them, and then add on to that. So this is not a complete list. Nor is it done. The whole idea is that this become inclusive. The next slide, please. Okay, so, you know, we're talking here in a roundtable on climate change. Climate change actually for me is a tough one to address because it is so embedded in everything else. And also, for us, we want to discuss aspects of problems that other sciences don't address as well as we do. And for which we are uniquely positioned to do so. And so if we were to come up with a statement about, you know, people should, you know, not burn fossil fuels or should adapt to their environment and be in harmony with it, those kinds of statements don't translate to public policy. And they're often better stated by our sister social scientists and sociology or demography or some other science. So it's not, we need to work at problems that, you know, have long term issues. And that it's not just the proximate cause, but what's going to happen in 50 years, what are the unintended consequences that societies face when they make drastic changes in how they relate to each other and with their natural environment. And how do you anticipate those kinds of things. We have three projects that are related in some way to climate. The first was the archaeology project, which came out of Australia. Australia is, as many of you know, facing the single most mass extinction event in, well, in the last few millions of years. And so it is a government policy in Australia to increase biodiversity. And a lot of work on biodiversity. And now what we funded at CFAS was a project to look at biodiversity worldwide six different case studies and come up with policy recommendations that different governments could think about or. So that's being done that's led by Stephanie Crop tree and it's in an affiliation with the Santa Fe Institute, which is also a partner. And the second one is interesting because it deals with fire management. And in the United States and I think around the world fire management the increase in fires, their intensity, their just devastation. You know that that is, you know, Koji talked about the Amazon. It's a huge issue. We sponsored a project out of the border lakes region of the United States and Canada. And we thought or I thought naively that this would have a climate signal to it. The reason there are more intense bigger fires is because of at least partly because of climate. Actually, it turns out that the climate signal is very weak. And what what drives the intensity of fires in that region is it all relates to what what happened in the mid 19th century called the Dawes Act where native peoples were removed from the landscape. And so the whole notion of wilderness land untrampled by man is, you know, it's a very American concept. It doesn't exist pretty much anywhere in the world. And this was interesting because this project came from the Forest Services of the United States and Canada. They needed a evidence based research that showed what best fire management policies were particularly for areas called wilderness. And so that's been a collaboration with First Nations, dendro climatologists, managers, and I think there's an archaeologist or two on it. But honestly, that one was driven by CRM work, but it's being that work is now being leveraged by other disciplines. And so for me, that's a very interesting thing that our work is of importance to other people. And then the last one I'm going to talk about is the climate related migration. Here we're focused on indigenous groups, and the whole notion of, you know, the expectation in the next throughout the 21st century is that, you know, there will be a billion people on the move between now and the end of the century. Disproportionately climate change will affect indigenous peoples. And even though there are only 5% of the world, they represent 15% of the most of the poorest people in the world. And so they generally, it's hard to generalize but but many of those groups are very closely aligned to their ancestral lands and would like to stay there. And it seems that as archaeologists, it would be a good thing for us to help them to think about the kinds of issues that they will face. The climate models are pretty clear in particular regions. What are they going to, what are small scale farmers or pastoralists going to face, and how have they dealt with it within their cultural repertoire, and not tell them what they should do or recommend what they should do, provide them with information from which they can make decisions. So that's that. Next slide. Okay, so what can we talk, what can we say about climate change? I just want to say a couple things. One is, for me, reading a lot, reading on the issue and being involved in it for a decade or so. There seem to be two lanes that was really only one lane that's open to us and that's the heritage lane. I think as long as people say, you know, the effects of climate change on historic and archaeological properties that's that's within our bailiwick. That's our, you know, we should focus on preserving things or thinking about how to preserve things. But it's very hard to get people to recognize that archaeology, that there are long term social processes involved. I have, I think, like a lot of you, I've been in discussions where people say, you know, really the world's different now. It's a global world. Society is different. Things in the past don't relate well to what's happening today. And I think, you know, the world is different. It is, you know, there's no question about some of that. On the other hand, there are social processes at play that are invisible or difficult to discern with contemporary or shallow historic data that we as archaeologists may be in a if not a unique position in a good position to allow into the public debate about how we how different communities should think about things like resilience or how they just think about making decisions. The, and so I think the other thing is that we work to our strengths, you know, if we're, if archaeology is going to come up with recommendations that other scientists can do, say the same, and with better data and stronger statements. Those aren't our questions. We need to find and hone our research to those aspects of society that others just don't reach. And then we need to embrace our interdisciplinary heritage. The fact is that we see fast is based on a collaborative research model. And I'm not going to talk about that today, but the whole idea of team science and making, making science inclusive is at the center of what we're trying to do this. This comes out of the ecological and environmental sciences, where they develop things called synthesis centers in the early 90s. And we're late to the game. But one of the advantages of being late is that we can hone this and modify our things to things that haven't worked out so well for these other centers are and adopt those that have worked out really well. And then we, we have to collaborate with local indigenous and descendant communities as, as true collaborators as opposed to people we interview and talk to. So designing research that that needs to be we need to be able to listen to what is the questions they want answered, as opposed to decide what we think they the questions are. And I think the only thing the next slide tells you is that I'd like you to join the coalition, you can go to that website. And as a associate, you just click on associate and sign up and take about five minutes. No, two minutes. And that's free, you'll get opportunities to join research teams to learn about the results of the work, to be able to participate in, in product and in thinking about what projects to take on. And, you know, as if you have a partner organization, you can become a partner and be part of the discussion about where, where synthesis goes in the future for archaeology. Thank you. Thank you very much, Jeff. Excellent. If you, yes, we all can come all back. Thank you, Jeff. So I only can chip in. Like beeper says, it takes only one minute. I'm privileged to work with Jeff on this coalition. And it's, it's, it's just not important, not just for me. It's important for my students. It's important for their friends. And it is really on a way, which we, I do believe, especially in climate change research, we have to think we have to break down. And I remember yesterday, Jeff, if I can mention that, when Mark, I was talking about why the NSF grant was not successful. And the answer was that some commentaries said, well, maybe that's not that shouldn't go to NSF archaeology. And we all know when we work on climate change, we always, where do we, where do we, do you want to talk about that, Jeff? No, but I think that it was instructive. It wasn't, you know, we can, because of, you know, we hear in the United States so much about climate change that's just wrong from our government. We have a sense that the public is, is the hard, is the group that's going to be hard to convince. When it turns out that scientists also are really skeptical about what we do. And, and, and even archaeologists, the idea that archaeology is there to do something that our research should impact contemporary issues is not something that shared necessarily widely within our discipline. And that was reflected, as you say, on the NSF panel that, you know, in that case, it was a grant institution that basically said, we're here for archaeology. And we're not really here to solve the world, save the world that that's not our deal. And it was instructive to hear that from archaeologists. Absolutely. And for our other non-American audience here, NSF National Science Foundation. But I can report that also from the ERC. I can, I'm sure Kochi in Asia, you have the same thing. Climate change, like Jeff so eloquently said, is everywhere. I mean, it really in all projects. And that is really something important. And, you know, we have to, climate change and heritage is that the very, very core, what the future of, at least a large part of the future of our work. We can really convince the public about that, because I mean, that's really, that hits home, climate change hits home, heritage hits home. And, but we are not alone here. And that's why I just put this UL, you can download this white paper, where I truly learned archaeology is just a part of the problem. So what we also have to do is work with other social scientists. And Jeff, you mentioned them, the sociologist, the economist, the geologist, geographer, and you name it. And this paper really was very, very instructive to me that climate change is not only everywhere in archaeology, but it's beyond that. And most powerful if we work really with other, with other scientists as well. Any comments or questions? You know, I'm sure you're now signing up quickly to the coalition. The website is there. In addition to that, any questions for or comments for for Jeff. Well, I'm wondering maybe a different directorate. There's the, the geosciences now seems to have swallowed polar programs, but they actually have a program called navigating the new Arctic, which obviously doesn't help you if you don't work in the Arctic, but it's much broader. It actually almost mandates indigenous communities. It lets you actually look at this kind of thing. I mean, I'm on, as I said earlier, I'm actually a co-PI and a couple of projects that are primarily driven by permafrost. But we're looking at the changes and impacts of permafrost change, climate driven permafrost change, and in one case coastal erosion on on societies. You know, what's it doing to the community and that goes from infrastructure, everything that one of them the Pope believe the PI is actually a structural engineer who specializes in foundations at Penn State. But, you know, there's me wearing sort of my anthropology hat. I mean, I was trained in a very four field department and I've always worked in a place with a, you know, indigenous descendant community. I've never really drawn a strict line between archaeology and, you know, ethnography or whatever you want to call it. But there is, there is space someplace and they have lots more money than the social science directorates do. I think that's part of the problem. You know, sometimes you just have to go to a new directory. Everybody that worked in the Arctic that was applying to NSF. And they all gave up on applying to the archaeology program because we always got that. Oh, that's not our thing. Or, oh, you've got the art of polar programs, you know, don't go by the rest and take our money. So maybe the thing is just to okay fine archaeology doesn't want to play see who would play there's a bunch of and they often have calls and they some of them are very connected to climate change. And the one thing you kind of that I would also say about archaeology's place in climate changes and the public is actually when you can demonstrate effects of climate change in the past repeated so we had a huge flood here in 1963. And it moved a lot of things away and people tend to want to treat that as a one off. The only thing is, we've, you know, in the work at various sites, particularly new book we've actually found previous instances of monster storm surge flooding that has been really bad. I mean, we had this at butaque house where there was all this nice wood pieces of all sorts of stuff still there. And, you know, obviously the people didn't come back and get it so they probably died. You know, in three to 4000 or three to 488, you know, and so you can start to show people it's like hey, this is not the first 63 is not a one off. This is something that has happened repeatedly. We need to think about it for our town because, you know, it's, it's, it's something we just need to be prepared for and and that actually gets through to people in a way that that all of the talk, you know, and the climate change talk will rise over, you know, yeah, they're there, but it's so gradual it's incremental they don't people don't get it but when you can show them like, yeah, this is this, you know, really bad stuff has happened to people in the past here. You know, it's been, and you can usually find analogs I mean to what's going on maybe not, you know, full on what you can find warming you can find cooling you can find you just need to find your right analog and you and you know you tell that story to people, as far as the public and some other scientists, yeah, they're hopeless but whatever. But the public can actually be very engaged and I think that's, that's actually kind of an important thing that that we can do. Yep. Thank you. Any other questions. Any other questions from the audience and I think I can also if you rather have, if you want to be live and ask your question instead of typing it in, I can actually get you on the stage because we still have here. I think nine is the maximum we still have two slots and I could also, you know, throw somebody out and bring that person back in so you have two possibilities. You can either ask your question either on the chat, or just ask to be led in here on this panel, and I click the magic button so that you appear here in this distinguished group and can ask your question face to face. I just wanted to like to add to the whole debate that at least the Research Council of Norway had to focus really seriously on the interdisciplinary work and they are only granting funds to people who work interdisciplinarily with heritage and with the natural sciences to work climate change. So, so at least that is one thing. And I also wanted to point out that we now have 22 minutes left of our slot, even though Katka said that we could continue further than that, but Peter said he has to leave that way. So if we were to start discussing the possibilities of future research cooperation, maybe we should start doing that soon, but I don't want to keep off anybody who wanted to have comments or ask questions. So please just go ahead and do that. Thank you. Yes, and to lead over, because I don't see anything on the chat right now. And I'm not sure whether we're getting cut off directly at the recording might stop but I still can hang out a little bit if you guys but, and I think this is the last session of the day but so we are not so rushed but let me just from the back. And in keel next year, inshallah, we can see each other at a real meeting there's a discussion to have a hybrid version of it that means people who cannot come don't have funds that they can actually do what we do right now. This is in discussion right now but one thing which is not in discussion is that one topic is climate change. And so I would like to make that really that you think about keel, whether organizing a session. We will have this round table again, but think about sessions. Think about paper presentations and think about that you are representatives of many, many people in your network. That as soon as a call for papers is out and as soon as the climate change topic is formulated. And I will definitely also use the community to send you that. Please go ahead and really spread it out because I do believe that we have a shot here in regard especially in keel at a coastal site at an institute which has become one of the top institutes in in in Europe. There's a lot of resources, especially in the hard sciences. Do please then try to get get the message spread so that we can have sessions presentations and also the round table in a different in a different format. Second, I would like. And this is not enough time, of course, to do that, but also we discussed that briefly, and I will continue discussing it was offline with alien and people. I do believe, especially because keel is coming up. I do need to work on a policy statement in regard to climate change. And I do believe this is the best crew to get this ideas to get feedback. And so what you can expect in the next couple of months from us a trap policy for a policy statement on climate change heritage, which we do not have we have the abstract of our community, but I do believe we need a little bit what Ben was so so nicely making the statement and then please get us a text because I think we can use quite a lot of what is in this really thought through statement. So I we would send that to you and for comments. Okay. In regard to policy, we don't have a quorum or something like that. We are community. We don't, you know, need to go through any, any quorum or whatever but we get that from you and then the next way would be to send that to the executive board in the spring and the normal meeting is about March. And I'm the chair of the Oscar Montes Foundation and normally participating in its own virtually. So, that is really an action item, which I would like to come out for you that we are waiting for Ben because I think it was very nicely done that he sends us the statement of the AIA and then we've got alien and I we scavenging it and go through it and really get something shorter to you for your comments. Okay. And we would very much like to get your feedback on that. So that would be for the EAA. I would also bring that point in the last 20 minutes or so back to you. What do you think about, before we looking for grants, you know, like calls for for for grants. I want to first hear your ideas about the disco of climate change and heritage means getting a grant where we go around the world, and really focusing on Europe because that's where we are organization is located, but also archaeologists from around the world working in Europe or having an understanding of European archaeology, whether that would be possible to create something as disco of climate change Kochi, you want to you nodding you want to say something about that. You have to unmute yourself please. Yep. No, you're still mute. You're still mute, Kochi. Okay. Right. Speaking of disco, it had a certain impact, not only on European colleagues, but also Asia, where we find it very important to know ourselves or something like that. So it's quite an impactful project. So the similar thing, if realized in climate change and its impact on indigenous community heritage and communities in the past, that would be very good. So I hope it's going to be covering the world rather than in Europe, although I should say that you can start from Europe to test out what kind of format would be best suited and then expand it to the global scale. But certainly that kind of attempt would be very educational for us archaeologists, but also the accepts of the outcomes disseminated to the general public would be also very impactful. Excellent. Thank you. Somebody else. Any other comments? Please. So, Peter, are you thinking of asking, so applying for ERC grant or something? Yes. So basically what, you know, what I believe is, okay, I think it's great the community. We are three years now. And we have just been renewed. And I saw always with Mipke and Elin this as a start to get talking, to get going, to get reports from your organizations, from individual members. Our Scottish colleagues with Maria and Tom Dawson, very active always. So people coming to those roundtables and presenting their incredibly important projects. Okay, I mean, this is just like, that's a core of it. But I think now we take stock and we should think about what are we doing the next three years. How can we use, quote unquote, better use the community to get impact. And I'm a strong believer in grants. If you have a grant, if you have, it's not about the money, it's just a structure. It is the reporting. It is a milestone. So there's getting people writing paths and commitment. And so I do very much believe that ERC is the best way to do that. And with the European focus but ERC and Horizon 2020 is now also allowing to have subcontractors from around the world. And that's where I see, for instance, CFAS as an opportunity to really enable with a new center in University of Colorado. And Jeff, we cannot see his camera, but I did not talk to him about that. This is surprising, I'm sure for him as well. So I do believe that we can make that happen. And then having a structure where people are coming together and the impact will be enormous just to see where are we in regard to climate change and heritage in all those different parts of the world. Does that make sense? Yeah, it may be early days to say, but then if you really decide to go for it, and then if you use WAC-9 next year as a platform to launch it, you can propose resolution. And if it were to be adopted, that would mandate the next executive to implement that in one way or the other. So when if you put something like ask WAC to get involved in surveying or data corrections by using our national representatives and then local, regional representatives, it would be nice for WAC executive to implement it in a concrete and big way. So rather than seeing that is happening and then we ask to get involved. So that's a very concrete proposal, but if you decide to go for it, just go for proposing resolution in WAC-9. And I think this is excellent because we have seen how successful it was for disco and then to adopt, you know, to have the EAA as a kind of mantle organization. And I could see that with WAC, I could see that with SAA. I'm not sure because, you know, there is this kind of professional organization also with the lake, but we have to see that. And then again, Jeff, if you could, you know, share your thoughts about that, how SEVAS could be then, you know, a part of that as well. Well, you know, Peter, one of the issues that, you know, I used to, I formally was president of the SAA and one of the problems with the major organization is, you know, there are a lot like big ocean liners, they're hard to steer. So SAA, EAA came together because they both wanted to address human migration. It's not easy for them to do things like special conferences. So by having partners in professional organizations that can use the coalition because they are the coalition to address issues of concern for them. So I would encourage the AIA, the SHA and others, EAA, that want to address aspects of, you know, they have a special issue on climate change, whatever that is. The coalition can facilitate that probably easier than the organization can. I don't know that that's just the reality. Good. Any, yeah, Marie, very important here, the link to the new climate action plan 2020-25, which we launched in February. Please check that out. I've seen it. It's really cool. Okay. Caroline, we just talked about how the climate change debate is called to work in archaeology and beyond the conferences such as EAA hold climate change as a poor and primary theme rather than another specialist session. Yes. Caroline, I don't know whether you joined us to make that clear again. Keel basically also Byrne had a climate change theme. So that was there. And Keel University, the conference organizer of Keel University next year, they have also a theme. Don't ask me, even as a two-term executive board member, how important that is or not. I mean, I never, and we never had a strategic discussion about that, but your point is well taken. Are the themes just to get funding and sponsors and all that, or are they really used in the scientific, and I've been on many scientific boards, whether we look, whether those sessions fit into those themes. I think we are not yet clear on that, but it's definitely a discussion I'm happy. I'm happy to have with Johannes Müller, the main organizer of Keel and see how that how that shapes out. But your point is well taken, whether a whole conference is on climate change under a theme or whether it's just, you know, specialist sessions or round table. My gut feeling is it will be always like a sub-session theme or whatever. Because, you know, there are so many other interests in those conferences, which we cannot just, and that makes those conferences for me personally so interesting. Because I want to hear other things than just climate change, I have to say. I've been at many sessions, I've been at the reindeer sessions, you know, reindeer. I mean, that's something which I normally don't really have exposure to, and that is what, for me, this is so interesting. And of course, there is a climate aspect on this session on reindeer, right? I mean, of course, but point well taken. Any other, you know, comments, suggestions, questions? Yes, I just had to unmute myself. I would just like to stress the fact that it's really important that this community is active also between the yearly meetings. And so far we've been active individually, but I think that we can reach much further when we work together. And I was at the communities assembly on Tuesday, and the AA now has a new social media person employed, Winscott. And he said that all the communities should have a Facebook page and a Twitter account. And Peter and Eileen now are just like, yeah, I'm just going to repeat that. So for that to make sense, there has to be constant activity, and it doesn't have to be from the whole community, but it can be from the individual members. And if there are 57 of them, then it should be possible to to feed something too. But I think the three of us agree that this will have to be the job of Winscott to actually feed these, but we can provide the links to him. But that also just means, yeah, I'll let you talk and just in a few seconds. It just means something that could be put on this, either Twitter feed or for this community, just let us know. And we'll make sure it gets there. Yeah, well, we're not limited to having to generate our own content. I mean, one thing about both Facebook and Twitter is that you can repost things so that if there are things that are pertinent to what we think our, you know, readership or our goal would be you can always just repost them. Whatever, with or without comments is as as appropriate. You know, so it's, it's not, you know, it's not just, you have to think up something and be a creating massive amounts of content and putting it out there. And you will probably get some commentary occasionally so somebody does you do have to have a moderator, because otherwise you get doofy questions. He can do that. Maybe he can't. But, you know, I think it's doable. And if you can get a couple people to moderate. That's kind of what I'm working on for SAA, but, you know, just having kind of a couple of personal, you know, Facebook pages for various and Twitter and whatnot. It's not horrendous to do and but it does probably help if the person who's doing it knows something about the topic, you know, I mean, he may be great with social media but the question is, does he actually know about climate change and heritage, you know, if he's going to be responsible. That's a good point and I'm sure you all, if you're on Twitter, you have seen the impact of our new social media person is great. I mean, I love it. I really find myself reading, you know, having a cup of coffee and see Oh, I would never have found this Megalith new tomb in in Scotland or whatever. Great. But there is so much that person is really touring on and we just don't have enough yet. And that's what I want to say in the next few years and basically in this year to towards keel, because clearly writing such a big grant is not a thing which you do on the site. You know, I would say, if we would have in keel, you know, a very good idea about where to apply how to apply who is in and structure that would be already an amazing job for such a large group. So I, I'm happy with social media. But for us, it's not enough there yet. So at the moment, you know, if you look what we have the repository and all that is basically you guys and Marcy, the people who are on the panel, they put stuff in. And that's not our fault. That is the community has not yet taken off in regard to what is what is it actually for you still have EAA here. The Austin Montague Foundation there, the EGA here, and the themes and the public case. So it's not yet clear. And that's why it was 57 members. We are number three. What the communities can do. And I do believe I always believe that policy is one thing which I really want to do. And the action item I took down that we have your approval that the three of us will create a draft together with Ben, you know, about climate change and heritage. Our job is also to reach out to keel and find out really, what is the specific about your, your theme and how can we help in regard to climate change. So action item number two, an action item number three is basically talking offline, not just the three of us, but individually with you without calling a meeting about writing a grant, but doing some initial work. And again, feeding that back to you so that at least we know deadlines, structure, eligibility and all that until clearly keel. And in the best case scenario, have even a small group. And again, we are inclusive, not exclusive. If people write plans, it's always everybody wants to be a part. And that is what it should be. And so this will be definitely not a little back, back room endeavor. This will be open, you know, so very much open like in the idea of disco. And I would also invite at some point, and I hope that we work for keel, Kenny Atchison to this roundtable, or what, if it's a roundtable of that as a special session to write this brand or whatever we have to see, but have him talk about the challenges and opportunities and the experiences he had with disco. Okay, because, you know, we can learn from people who did that on this large scale project. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay, any concluding, you know, comments, statements from our audience or from our panelists, because I'm sure everybody has other, you know, maybe go to other sessions or do networking. I hope you enjoyed the speed dating. I tried it once and it was really like, it's kind of strange, you know, you're sitting there, and then somebody pops up and said, I want to talk to you, right. Yeah, this is just information that we have a preliminary requested to hold a inter Congress in Australia in two years time, which is to focus on the impact bushfire on indigenous communities, but then some focus would be the impact of climate change on indigenous communities across the world. So I shall keep you informed of the progress, but at some point it would be very nice to put some of you in touch with the organizer to get some kind of global perspective on that ground to the program of the inter Congress. And then that inter Congress can be dedicated to what you mentioned, climate change and indigenous communities and heritage or something like that. They haven't decided yet the actual theme of it, but incorporating climate change seems would certainly enrich the contents of the inter Congress. So I shall keep you informed. Very interesting. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Are you all waiting for your networking opportunities? You should try it. I mean, it's definitely. Okay, and now have pages of notes, Caroline of the session. Thank you. And Caroline, normally, you know, we have a the best note takers ever alien, you know, she's laughing. We don't need it because we have the recording right. But if there are any notes to please send them along and be posted. And if you have not yet signed up to be a member of the climate change community, please do so because we can do that. Then you get informed anything which is posted will be sent to you via email. So please as members go to the climate change and go to the community's website and sign up for the climate change and heritage. This serve and your member and they're getting informed about everything what we have talked today. Let me thank everybody again. This was terrific. Like always, wherever you are or lunch or coffee. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it and we keep you posted. You stay safe and well. And thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. Good night. I go to bed now. No, go to the networking. It's fun. I envy you. Can you stay safe and then see you hopefully soon. Bye bye.