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Yeah, but like it looks like they superimposed it on some something that's like a remote control boat or something That's what it looks like. It looks like it got doctored and photoshopped what and it's a distraction What are you to subscribe to that you both catch articles like this to bring to the I want to believe This one one this it's not that mainstream it didn't come in my feed, okay, so I'm reading to every night So what it what unless it's making a touchdown or a goal or whatever? The Loch Ness monster scores a touchdown. Hey, I saw that actually Do you know what the Loch Ness monster is huh? Do you know what it is? What do you mean? Do I know what it is the Loch Ness monster? I mean, I know it's that thing that it looks like a giant dinosaur That's an underwater that people have seen and claimed to have seen in please you source Okay, what an unfortunate name by the way, right? Hey, you know what they call me the please you source But what were you about to just like school me on about it like nothing? I was just gonna tell you what it was of course I mean everybody's heard of it, right, but I don't I did not ever go to a time No, there's a picture Doug pull it up right now. Look at this picture There's been hoaxes before to somebody has used a little submarine thing and they've messed with people Haven't they done the same thing with Bigfoot is that they're like that people do that with Bigfoot, too Don't don't mess with Bigfoot. Okay. He's real I don't know if you can expand that picture Doug, but it looks crazy dude It looks like there's a freaking thing in the water. Yeah, but like also the perspective I'm not really getting the the enormity of the size from this picture either you got it You just be it could just be a fish. Did you ever follow Justin? Do you ever follow those expeditions? Why don't you ask me go because I know you did it There's no way you did Yeah, you're out of this conversation I know the answer Yeah, you're follows expeditions that went to the like to the lock and they'd get those, you know boats and go under and like search Oh, bro. I went deep. Yeah that Bigfoot and Nessie are like peanut butter jelly for me Yeah, I was like I was all about it I mean, I told you guys my brother and I were so crazy about Bigfoot for a while that We actually slept in the forest thinking that we might like if we stay there long enough We might catch Bigfoot and then we did a whole tour of all these different Bigfoot sighting locations northern, California And all there's museums around it. Obviously. It's like these people just profiteering off of like Shmucks like like me and my brother, but you know, it was fun, dude Yeah, like who doesn't want Bigfoot to exist totally, right? And now hold on doesn't seem scary, right? He doesn't see Bigfoot seem growing the Hennerson's great friend. There's one story I just want to believe he's like one story that I read that made me change my mind Cuz I thought he wasn't scary and then there's a story of these campers or I don't know And it was like five of them that told the story of Bigfoot. First of all, you can smell them, right? He's got a strong smell. Yes, and they do this yell and then he was throwing boulders at them and chasing them Do you ever hear about that story? So the characteristics. So this is like a comp This is what like what they try to like classify as like commonalities of Bigfoot, right? So you hear like knocking noises. Yes, you get like things get thrown like Mysteriously, you'll hear like whooping noises like like real loud kind of like guttural Always have to make the example like Yeah, something like that You know, just throw you off like you're in a tent and you're like, oh shit. What was that? Okay, since you guys Followed this stuff or read about it when you were younger when and you watch and I watched Harry the Hennerson I loved it as a kid Did they do a good job of trying to portray the what Bigfoot was supposed to be like did they do? I know they made him smell. I remember that was like all right Yeah, like he stunk. No, they made him goofy and funny or whatever like the stories say that's a cartoonish That's big foot is elusive Could be aggressive stories of him being aggressive, but mainly just very elusive like he doesn't like he doesn't Obviously Because I know you're you're a big scaredy cat with scary movies Yeah, I was scared of Harry the Hennerson. There's a part when he when they hit him Oh, yeah, and as a kid I'd be like this Yeah, and he gets up. I still I still watch movies like that as an adult, you know I just pretend like I'm doing really. Yeah. Yeah, so we watch like a scary part of my hey You know We got to come up with a bet or something and then the what we got to do is if you lose this bet I don't know what the bet is, but I'm gonna come up with something okay If you lose Justin and I get to pick we go to truckie a scary fucking movie. Okay, Justin I want to pick one that's gonna make that's really gonna make now I got a few and then you have to watch hey I'm a gamer so I'm all about stuff like this But it's got to be equally fair that there's got to be something that I get to do to you guys Or I have to put you guys through because that's torture for me right so I've already openly admit Can you come up with something? I'll think of something if we get it if we do something and we find something That's competitive and because do yoga. I don't know No, it's gonna be way better than that because an hour and a half or two hours, right? Because that's a movie two hours of torturing me like that is just not I will film it Yeah, like one yoga session is not like tortured you guys. You should be doing well when you were a kid What's what's a is was there any legend or any anything along that category? Yeah? Yeah, you had to think like were you a big thing that might you know like chupacabra? He's probably like a demons and spirit person of it because you grew up with such a religious. Well, okay So you had to put up you know chupacabra just because you're Mexican. Yeah Clarify oh By the way, my sister he's I'm scared of the chunk You brought up the other day I gotta I gotta read him cuz I totally forgot all this was I scared of My you ever you ever hear of linguine Because with this pinch your claws But do you is there anything you believed in when you're well I mean you you know my history with my parents being very religious Yeah, definitely like I mean I had them the mom that was like, you know Speaking in tongues and like so I saw stuff like that, right? So all right and like they believed in spiritual warfare and that they Saw you actually do this. This is my one of my favorite Adam stories of all Actually, I love you for it. I don't know what I do. We we were in Austin and And Adam took way too much It was the alpha brain way too many supplements we had all these supplements accessible to us and Adam's a kind of guy like you'll just take whatever I take them But then I don't know three times the recommended dough I don't know. He's taking other stuff on top of it So he took I don't know a toxic amount of these supplements in all night long He's throwing up projectile vomiting. Yeah, the best day. He's like there was some spiritual war There's a dude my head almost hurts spinning. So there were demons literally trying to fight for me. I'm like you got sick, bro Okay, so there you go. I still I still subscribe to that. There was some spiritual shit going on, right? Yeah, and you there's more of the backstory there, right? So this was also our first introduction to like the on it crew and all that stuff with that and they're very much So into this like open relationship everyone's banging everyone and there's been Like they're pulling to me. There was some reference There was some references succubus like partners that you know Aubrey has a very like cult like personality and it felt like that when we went in there So there's already this kind of like, you know, obviously direct tackles were up Yeah, yeah And if you if I if I come from the other side of like believing in God and Jesus and like that So that side of the fence like that's like the direct opposite, right? Cult leader everyone's banging each other doing ayahuasca drugs and stuff like that It didn't help to add a ram horn helmet on. Yeah. Yeah, so all that's happened Imagine if we do it when he was going through it We just popped in the room to fuck with it and then Sal gives me these these alpha brain pills on top of what I was Oh, it's heavily caffeinated and I don't know what other supplement I took and so I didn't just get an upset stomach I actually Projectile vomited harder and crazier than I ever have in my life like it came out of me like demons came out And it was like I didn't even eat that much and drink that much fluids for the day That was why it was so weird and I remember being like whoa That was just and we were staying in their house the audit house, right? So just like, you know something about that. So now when this is happening Do you have like a picture like that like because my grandma when stuff happens She'll have like candles of saints and she'll burn them or are you doing that? Or you like no, that's Katrina side of the Katrina's that way like any time that some Hail Mary's no She does the sage right so she she she burns the sage anytime that I've been around a lot of people She says I pick up their energy like that's what they they believe right So if I'm around a lot of different people and I come in and she believe they believe that you Negative energy is transferable So if I am if I'm around somebody who's dealing with a lot of drama in their life Especially if I was communicating with them or close to them for an extended period of time of the day I bring that home and she believes that she can sense it and feel it like the moment I walk in so So like I always like show and we obviously like wiping all off got well originally like her and I go back and forth Oh, what the fuck are you doing? But now I mean, I love her for right So and I just kind of chuckle about as soon as I walk in and if she feels that she senses that she don't even ask me I just all sudden see it lit and she's over the top of my head. Yeah Is that when she's like, yeah, Adam you're really attractive right now. Have you been around South? Yes, okay, so that was that was probably my But I actually I didn't believe it right so that was actually my pushback like my family when we were kids I think we went to Seven or eight different Denominations like and everything from my Pentecostal first Baptist Methodist a non-denominational Did you ever go to the ones where they passed around snakes? I had a friend that went No way I swear to God he went to I swear he went to one where they passed around I've never met somebody that went Yeah, and apparently the snakes are poisonous, but they don't bite you because you I don't remember what now I haven't seen that but I have been to some where Like when the the worship part like so normally when you get to church That's kind of like the early the first half is or the first 20 minutes or that is like worship, right? So someone playing the playing the music and everything and when they when you do that like people get so much into it People are waving their hands speaking in tongues and people are flip flicking their high heels off and Dancing down the halls and stuff like that and the pastor would do like slain this people. I'm like seizures What's that guy a Billy something or the oh where he touches them? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they throw like this big out this purple thing over the top like a purple blanket over top of them And then hit them and they fall over and stuff like that and they're going into convulsion Dude, I'm like, dude, that's like a James Brown move. Yeah, I'm like in Sixth grade I want to say around that so I'm like taking all this in wow But I I rejected it like so, you know, I had to go as my parents are taking us there But my sister and I who are one year apart we both were like like nod You know, you're like, can we just sing the song? You know reminds me of you ever watch there's a I think a page on Instagram called I think it's called mcdojo if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, you ever seen these martial arts experts It's a fake karate. Yeah, why are they they're always obese by the way And and they'll do that where they'll just move their shoulder where they'll do this with their hand and like knock people out I you know, what's the one they're like the same people dude. Yeah, it's ridiculous. David Carradine, right? No Yeah, that was like one of my favorite shows I love so no there was this one guy So I used to read when I was a kid here's something. I don't know if you guys knew I was super nerdy about martial arts I used to subscribe to black belt magazine and all these others, right? And there was this guy that practiced this martial art called dim mock D. I am MAK maybe you can look it up dog And there's this one dude and it's pressure point fighting and apparently he would like hit like two hit two points on you And he'd knock you out and it was like this big thing and everybody talked about it I was like this miss anyway, there was this like investigative journalist that went to this guy and He said go ahead and knock me out with the thing and of course he couldn't and then he came up with some excuses like well Your tongue was in the wrong position Actually believe so yeah Yeah, it reminds me of that, you know because the followers of this guy would clearly get knocked out He would do this thing to them and they would test them. They're like, oh, no, they're actually unconscious Well, that's what you would see at the church that that part obviously was interesting, right? Yeah, it's that you would see people go up there But I mean it just shows you to the power of like if you want something bad enough Totally like because you're you're bought into it. You want it so bad to happen Well, you see acting on both parts, you know both parties the one that's like telling you you got this demon in you Oh, and then then like yeah, I do have this demon in me and then you try and act the part Yeah, I've seen what's that this is the guy that did dimmock dog. Does it say his name? I Don't see it here. Maybe you look up dimmack of founder Yeah, he's just weird dude, but then he got kind of found out because you know MMA changed a lot with martial arts a lot of that mysticism and the this is too dangerous to practice or whatever Martial arts like wipe that out. Excuse me. I may wipe that out. Yeah, because then you saw people actually fight Steve That's right Oh, it's dim records. That's the name of his record company dim Mac He named it dim Mac records is the name of the Steve. Oh, he's a company. That's pretty smart Now look up who founded dimmock martial art or pressure point fighting, maybe I'm spelling it wrong, but anyway Anyway, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, you know, I do think that you know, if anything is true I do think that spiritual warfare would be true. I mean everything's such a duality in life There's always two sides. So that would make so yeah, and I've come full circle in that journey of my life Right, so as a kid so you guys are asking if I subscribe to it. I was the opposite I actually I totally like rejected it and to a point when I became an adult Like I didn't want anything to do with church at all and I was kind of anti all that stuff I've kind of come full circle now on that now I don't subscribe to how some of these people how radical so many people are like, you know What pushed me away from it was, you know, when I was a kid My mom would always say like that, you know, God told her this, you know God told her to do this God told her to do that and like it was a lot of really bad decisions I was like, thank you all knowing powerful God can't be this dumb. You know saying like that So I had a really hard time with that for a long time and and then I realized like, okay, I can't totally Deny everything just because of somebody else's one person's interpretation of it Maybe I'll explore and see if there's something there for me And so kind of like you in a sense, although I never was like the staunch atheist over it But I think I had a different opinion about it for a long time and then over time I've seen the the what you say all the time that the spiritual wisdom that comes from it And that's what kind of brought me back to being more open to it Yeah I have a similar experience because I did see a lot of different variations of that and I went to school and like You know, so there was lots of applicable like sound, you know, moral type of of You know application I could I could apply to my own life, you know, just just being through that but also I saw how like different a lot of people were using it and You know, you'd saw I actually saw a lot of mental illness like Like in those settings of like how I'm just like wondering You know, it looks it's very it's very much like multiple personality disorders I saw that like happening and so it's like it's this weird thing where it's celebrated and then they turn it into like You know, it's this sort of spiritual battle that this person is in and they're not recognizing the mental illness part Of it and so it's just it's interesting to me to see how You know, how it's like such a spectrum You know within the religious setting I really think because of all that I'm like that's what makes me where I'm so the I'm the other guy who like you got to really prove to me to me to get bought in otherwise I'm always skeptical. I'm always gonna assume. Ah, that's some bullshit Like until you prove until it's been proven to me enough times Like you are when I talked about carbon dating I mean that just is like, you know, unless someone is like really unless I have read something or Somebody has made an intelligent enough argument to really convince me on something I'll I'll always weigh on the skeptical. I don't believe it side until it's well The truth is if something has a lot of power and influence It's gonna get there's gonna be people who are gonna distort it and there's gonna be people Use it. I don't care what it is by the way. It could be anything anything with power and influence You're gonna get people who are nefarious. We're gonna use it for their own So why are we now seeing mythical beasts pop up after the ufo thing? I'm telling you dude Loch Ness monster bigfoot what's next dude? I don't know I feel like hollywood's set in the table just for this at bombardable snowman epic movie in 2000 The end of the year, you know We're gonna give the season finale is coming to a head. Yeah, well, what do you guys? Let me ask you this What do you guys think the reaction would be honest, right? The reaction would be but from the public if the government came out because by the way this is happening right right now In the month of june The government's declassifying stuff. Everybody's waiting on ufo stuff. What do you think? Let's say they came out and said here's a deal aliens are real. We've captured two of them Here's the bodies. What do you think the reaction would be so 10 years ago? I would just think there'd be pandemonium and it would be insane and just chaos and riots And it would be scary almost right. I actually don't think everyone would I think people would be like no big deal really. Yeah, I literally think it'd be a conversation on the news for like a week And then it would be like no big deal. I really do. I think we've seen so much bullshit in the last year We're so numb. Yeah, we were so numb to it Someone's like, well as long as we're not trying to kill anybody you're doing anything crazy like, ah, no big deal You know what I'm saying? The aliens have COVID. Yeah Please tell me Are they following COVID protocols? That's that would be the question. I can't no Yeah, I really uh, I I don't know. I don't know if it would actually make uh I don't think it would make that big of a deal. All right now if something like a Alien came in and did something in the public right where you know kidnapped a child or did something like that would create some crazy I think we're in the era of Like conspiracy theories just exploding because the internet has made it so easy to share this kind of stuff Boy would that spur insanity is my opinion. I think it would spur all kinds of craziness Oh, here's what's happening. They've been among us the whole time. That's what the government is Oh, no, like it would turn into like just insanity. I see that. Oh, I could see the conspiracy question. What's with the probes? Why in the butt cover this? Why can't you prove something else? Why is it always up in the butt? Every time, you know speaking to crazy ridiculous stuff. This is I can't believe I read this and this is legit So here's the here's the title of this of this article. So an Italian artist Sells invisible sculpture for $18,000 How many suckers were just gay? That's gangster bro Oh, that's the ultimate. So so his name the guy's name is uh, salvatore gorao. So It's the same name as I do Hey, that's a common name brilliant. Yo brilliant Listen what he said he created a masterpiece made from air in spirit And it ended up selling it for $18,000. Is that for real? Yeah for real So he sold it to a private buyer for 15,000 pounds. So excuse me 15,000 euros What kind of scam are they running like he had to be in on it with him I don't know dude the vacuum is nothing more than a space full of energy And even if we empty it and there is nothing left according to the heinsberg's uncertainty principle that nothing has a weight Therefore it has energy that is condensed and transformed into particles that is into us Oh my god. Well, where is this 18 grand entity? I don't know where it is now It could be anywhere. No, but I mean like it's in the room right now. Okay, it's but I bought it No, I imagine invisible thing. No, I imagine it's got you can use her picture I imagine it's like a glass a glass case contained or just like has to be Has to be free range has to be contained in a glass thing with like some so now you got a mime You know, whatever this thing is No, it's literally a taped off square And nothing in it a taped off square. That's what it is. Can you transport it then? Yeah, I mean I mean did okay So did the guy that bought actually go all the way through with this dumb thing and and be like, oh awesome And then like pretend to like grab it How are you coming with me? How did he get it home? Yeah, did he have to ready you all I think you just think about it Maybe I have no idea like that's great. Do you know what it sounds with so many contaminates the air Just walks by and crop dust it. Yeah Look at that. You're gonna ruin my sculpture. It's beautiful It's anything. Yeah. Yeah. What do you see? Yeah I mean it's definitely forming into something this makes me realize that there's people in the world with so much money That they just they they don't know what to do with it. So they want to be weird. It's insulting really, you know, I mean Like you can't use that money for something like think about it Well, don't you kind of people don't you kind of feel like that's what's going on with these nfts and stuff like that too Like that's very similar. I think it's really imagine if we're all like like children of billionaires And I don't say billionaires I say children of billionaires because it's always people who don't make the money that are it It's like this So imagine if we're kids of billionaires and I want to flex on adam I want to show them like how much money I have. Yeah, and this guy's like watch this 18 grand to buy this nothing And I'm like sure here you go. No, do you remember that saying do you remember the story? I think I brought this up on the podcast a few years back Maybe duckin looks up the the the red dot app So there was an app and it costs like a million dollars And there's and and all it does is like show up on your screen like a like a red dot I think it's look up like a Million dollar app red dot app or something and see what you get million dollar red dot app So yeah, and and all it does is display it on your phone and only so many people can have it And so a guy made a bunch of money off. I am rich. Yeah eight people bought. Yeah, there's this thousand dollar Is a thousand dollar that was a thousand. Yeah, it's called. I am rich. Okay. That's what it was Well, would you pay one million for a red dot pixel? Oh, that's a NFT. Never mind something else I can't remember. It was a long time ago when I well the I am rich app It's is a thousand bucks still. Does that say it there the app was released on I don't know what dug open now He moved. I can't read it No, but there was something like that where I think he only sold so many of them And you knew if someone had that out that they spent x amount of dollars and so yeah, that was totally Well, think about it If this is what you think your value is your money and you want to show off How do you walk around with people knowing you make a lot of money? One way is to spend Maserati's and lambos are a thing of the past. Yeah. Oh, everybody has a Lamborghini But did you spend $18,000 on nothing? Yeah That's how rich I am. Well, I think of this too. Like, uh, you know, you I'm sure people speculated like after the guy who did the Um, the the pet rock, you know, like god, what's the next pet rock? Like this is the next level right here nothing Wow, man, man, so profit so mad. Amazing. That's uh, that's seriously insane. And yeah, people have way too much money Speaking of money taxed on that speaking of money prices of things are going up a lot You guys seeing all this inflation that's happening. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's coming I read somewhere that I was coming. I read somewhere like things that are like way more expensive I read somewhere condom prices are no the purchasing of that. I actually read that that was like Up condom purchases are up like 36. Oh purchases. Yeah luggage is up like 400 percent So what's people are spending is what's happening? That's what's going on right now The air b&b stuff is going up. Oh, everything's opening up. Yeah, everybody's like starting to spend more towards that Well, remember when we taught well, we haven't aired this episode yet But we're we're getting ready to an air the the peter lineman Economist episode right and he talked about the amount of money that people have saved up So there's there's a lot of money ready to spend it And so it's you want to try and predict where they're going to spend it to see yes prices going on Yeah, I mean, what do you guys say if you speculate on like smart investments or smart things? I think travel travel for sure. I think travel is going to explode Even hotels, which is I think uh crazy if you were to ask me that you know a year or two years ago because We thought that an issue is dead because of air b&b and in vr Well, no, I think if you own air b&b, you're probably gonna well that's still gonna crash But I'm saying there's gonna be overflow because the demand is so high. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with that I think because think about it. Everybody felt so cooped up. They were isolated now They feel safe to in the first thing you want to do is get the hell out of dodge Yeah and travel so I would imagine that that's probably gonna explode. Yeah talking about business I was reading an article about Harley Davidson had like one of their you know worst years this this past year in coven and stuff Which I thought was interesting because I thought a lot of people would be buying bikes Yeah, so it's a go road trip or do something. Yeah, so and they didn't they had a dip and so but but what they attributed it to is that They're not in like the the touring bike Market and that's exploding like the bmw's and the Han does like This generation kind of growing up because you know harleys are kind of like Like like dad. Yeah. Yeah older generation and it's not like the younger guy is into the you know The touring bike plus immediately you have to like join the biker gang Like if you have a harley, they're gonna get punked. Yeah, you're alone, right? So So they're getting into that so they actually are getting ready to release their they're really yeah, they're getting into that market But the part that was really interesting about this article I was reading further on into it and it actually talked about something they did because they're talking about different things That harley's done to explore different streams of revenue and try and like find other ways to increase revenue in 1994 Did you know that they actually tried to move into the the cologne and perfume? Market harley harley did what yeah with it with a with a smell like a hot rod That's what it was. Hey, babe. I want to smell like a biker hot Failed failed miserably. Wow as you can imagine like rubbing out Now have either one of you ever had a motorcycle license or nothing? I have yeah No, I have a I have a funny story well kind of funny story about how that went so when I was 22 Um, I was about to buy a bike. Um, now you were gonna do the the the racing ones Yeah, I was I was I was actually looking at I was exploring both ideas, right? Like I really like harley's but I also thought street bikes were really cool at this time So I wasn't dead set on what kind of bike yet But I was I was going to buy a bike We had saved up money I thought it was a good idea for here in the bay area commute and some of that great gas and like There's a bunch of trainers. I thought about getting a chopper at one point. So yeah, I'm I'm like Going to make a purchase in the the next six months to a year Well before I do I I start inquiring from all my friends that have bikes, you know, just their experience and how much they love them Oh, this is so crazy. I had a sim. I bet you're gonna do the same thing. So there's a there's a question I start asking and uh because I I know a couple of them well And they had shared their stories where they had crashed their bikes where they gone 17 the bike flies out from underneath them and so I start asking them uh about to have you crash your bike and and what I start hearing back from everybody is like Every every one of every single one of them Say it said to me you will crash it. Yes. It's inevitable get hit by a car Well, they didn't all say that but they all they said when I know yeah, they told me it's inevitable Yeah, you're gonna lay it down. You will either lay it down or get hit by a car You'll crash your bike. It's just part of owning a bike And I heard that from enough people not everybody I same here same story to me I was like, I just don't feel I don't feel comfortable signing up for the fact. I'm going to crash It just it didn't sit well with me. Yeah, and it was just anticipating Yeah, it was enough for me to not pursue it And I still think about it all the time because I do I think Harley's are really cool I would love to have one. Yeah, but that sits in the back of my mind all the time these guys all tell me that same experience but my my roommate in college he had one of those like crazy fast ninja bikes And uh, you know, he's in the air force everything. He's like, you know, totally doing the whole uh, you know Tom cruise top gun like Like with his aviators and all he like so this person like backs out of their driveway this this truck And it totally doesn't see him right in front of him He had to throw his bike underneath the truck and he like Totally messed up his face and like his whole body got like road rash and raw He came back and he he never touched a bike again Did you know you guys know that my sister Cassie had a street bike like a like a super Yeah, a super fast bike her and tom I can't see her. I know they they both she got he was already into it. He got her into it And tom. Yeah, he's crazy. Well, you're right And so one of the like it was early on when they first were getting together that uh, it was one of the And one of the first times I ever met him. I met him in uh one of those Full casts where you know, their arms are stuck like this and he has the bar that connects it and he's all braced up That's how I'm one of the first times I met tom. He was in one of those because he crashed it so bad Almost died and then my sister said we have to sell him and so he hasn't ridden that since then, you know, my great my great grandfather That's how he died on a motorcycle really. Yeah, he was uh writing his bike and you know insistently in those days You don't own cars are too expensive. You have one motorcycle for the whole family. In fact, uh, I have pictures Of my grandfather with his entire family on one motorcycle. So like No, no, seriously him his wife. She's holding the baby Kids hanging out the side off the back because that's all they could afford And so if they had to go anywhere that required that's crazy an automobile That would take the the motorcycle or whatever. Yeah, my great grandfather He died that way got hit by a big truck And uh died early. Well, I told you guys my my grandpa was like this real meek like he was actually a Interior designer like back in the 50s, you know, which is like a totally different thing that is now, but like He's he was really like quiet artistic and uh, we found an old pictures Just lying around and I found a picture of him on this like Indian motorcycle Uh with with with a pistol and everything and like dude, and he was in a biker gang legit I had no idea never told any of us. Wow I was like, who are you? Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, it was awesome Yeah, my dad my dad still rides uh motorcycles. He has the cruiser So he has the he's you know, he's got the bmw cruiser, but then he also has a ducati And he's still to this day. It's his favorite thing to do is go and he rides my dad's Very scary with his motorcycle because he's been riding since he was a kid And speaking of my dad, you want to hear something funny? Well, okay I gotta tell you a ducati and a spiritual story since you just freaking said that. Oh go go So this is a trip to okay, and this is this is true story and it's and to this day it still happens So, uh Katrina's dad Troy who passed away what for four years ago now five years Wow, maybe it's been a little long when we first started the podcast he passed you remember I think it's been like five years. Yeah, it's been around that right so He was big into motorcycles. He had a few of them and his his baby. The one he loved was his ducati And after he passed and this it's still in uh tina won't get his uh his wife right Katrina's mom Won't get rid of this bike right and it has it has a picture of him and her that sits on it She keeps it in the garage and it's like it's she's that's one of the one thing that she won't get rid of Of his it's like that was his baby and stuff And this is part of the reason why is because it will it cries every once in a while It makes this at hasn't been charged hasn't been started in years and it No, it doesn't I have multiple times you heard it heard it multiple times It's got releasing some kind of gas or something Of course the skeptical brain of mine says that too, but it is wild I want you to film that. I will actually I actually think tina actually has video of it So I'll ask her I'll have her send it over because it's happened enough times That it's just so wild everybody in the family goes like did somebody start it? Did somebody plug it in? No, no, no, no Just randomly out of the blue sometimes and it even weirder It normally does happen around a holiday or like something like oh That was an anniversary of tina and his like trippy as well. That's weird I told jessica that if I ever die if I die before her I'm gonna haunt her she's like I'm like babe. Don't worry. If I die. I'm not going away. I'm gonna totally haunt the shatty No, I was gonna say about my dad you want to talk about like, you know Relations and genetics or whatever. So my dad's hilarious. He's kind of like me with certain with supplements Okay, he's a little bit like me. He'll take something and then it's like the be all end all or whatever So I actually I'm glad I it's not a mistake. I'm glad I did this But I gave him a full bottle of ned to my dad because my dad's got lots of the regular What did you give the regular this one the hemp oil? Yeah, the really the strong hemp oil so so ned says that's the strong one the 1500 milligram one, right? So I give that to my dad and my dad's got arthritis up and down his spine From you know working since he was a child hard late, you know, whatever can barely turn his neck or whatever So I give it to him on my mom immediately. She's like is this good for him? Like, you know, your dad he gets obsessive like are you sure like whatever I said? Yes, it's fine Is he gonna trip out? Oh, no, no psycho actor. No, he's been taking it for you You know, he'll take it for a few days and then you know, he gives me a call and he goes I'm like, yeah, what's up? He goes. I like it. I'm like, what do you mean you like it? He goes, I feel really good. I feel like maybe I go back to judo. I don't know And my mom's like Like I told you what are you doing? Let's go back and start trading again My dad's 60 something is like he's stiffer than a board because of the arthritis and he's already telling me I feel good. Maybe I feel I don't know. I feel like I could turn and throw people. What do you think? I don't know dad. Maybe you should now you should wait a little bit your time Is he like you or he's like anti like muscle relaxers and and like pills like that Is he avoid that or does he use things like that at all? No, he doesn't like medications Yeah, he does not in fact. He doesn't react well To medication that is the reason why I was asking you because that's what I have found with when I introduced somebody to that product It normally is someone who's like that who is like they've been kind of anti pills They don't want to deal with that and you show them that is there something like if somebody is like Let's say you're like a heavy like norco user and you've used that Is there something that's going on with the receptors that would impede somebody being able to really feel the benefits of that? Well, no, so and just you know, I want to be cautious Okay, because I don't want to give medical advice here. Okay, but they do find that when in the studies that I've read Okay, that when people use cannabinoids so like, you know, hemp oil obviously is full of CBD and other cannabinoids That when people use them they reduce their intake of traditional painkillers in some cases In some of the studies people stop using Their traditional painkillers now why is this a good thing because it doesn't have the same side effects It's not negative to your body in the same way. It's not as addictive for sure That's a big one So but again, it worked for my dad. It worked really really well because what he has is kind of the systemic inflammation And he feels much looser now the side effect of this that's bad is now my dad thinks he's gonna go do judo Which will probably hurt him. So please Please don't do that But I mean, but yeah, it's it's got that effect again I gave him the strong bottle 1500 mig one that he's taken that he really likes so But it's hilarious to hear him do this because he'll start to feel good and then we'll go over And then I know what happens is he'll we'll start talking and then it'll start like this somehow He'd be like, you know, I start to feel really good, you know, I start to feel really good And jessica looks at me. She knows what he's about to do and then he'll come up with some like Hey, you think you could lift this and I'm like, oh, here we go Here comes the competitions. Although he still kicks my ass a lot of stuff. So I can't I can't talk shit kind of that that old school Sicilian strength or whatever speaking of with training. How's it trained? Let's get a little training update everybody's super focused right now I saw you working out yesterday real hardcore. Yeah, no, are you trying to do it when we're not working out? I know everything I joke about that, but it's really not those reasons it's uh Lately there's been a lot of stuff that I've either got calls or emails I gotta respond to in the morning morning time And so I still get here when you guys do but you've been seeing me kind of sitting on my phone A lot of times when I'm here and then you see me maybe do a few exercises here And then I'm training at home a lot right now I'm also I've cut back on the volume because of the the golfer's elbow was was was bothering me so much So I've had to kind of reduce you look like you're building muscle though. I wonder if you were doing too much volume period I probably was that's I mean always that's our our thing, right? We always overreach. Isn't that funny? Yeah, no, it's definitely the well you get the moment. We know better, too Yeah, no, and I'm better. I get better every year about, you know, seeing it and and realizing it quicker and backing off And so and I've just I've been really good about my diet So I it's a lot of times you'll see me like I feel like I Make myself work out even if I think I shouldn't maybe work out because I know that my diet wasn't ideal And I'm like my my thought process on those times are like, okay I didn't eat a lot of extra calories yesterday. I'm not my diet's not dialed in I need to be doing some training I need to burn some extra calories Hopefully some of these calories get partitioned in a building muscle And so that's the logic of training when I know I probably shouldn't be training But when I'm really dialed in I I won't train. So a lot of times I've been taking days off Just because I know that I probably should use the rest and I don't need much or doing very little volume Well, no, you guys are both doing really well. I love seeing it. Everybody's crushing I know Justin you were trying to flex your abs to Adam Which is so strange to me. I don't know why I don't know what Yeah prompted me to do that. I think it was the the the mind pump meme guys, you know, like Like Chabot at me for just doing cheese and Star Wars You know posters instead of like show my abs like you guys I Honestly, I'm like waiting because like this is this is work in progress And and I've been pretty dialed in and consistent with my nutrition. So I'm like, I'm in the The sort of transitionary phase right now where I'm like, I don't really know What's on the other side of it because I haven't gone much further than this before so I'm really trying to kind of push myself through that normal like I will block myself Here's where I'm gonna usually we'll start introducing alcohol back in or let some things kind of come and be like, ah, this is stupid You know, like I'm over it. I feel good. I feel great. Like that's all I really care about But now I'm like I want to see if I can actually see something now Here's this is the challenge for someone like you because I feel like I'm in between the both of you when it comes to Strength performance and in aesthetics, right? Yeah The challenge for me is always when I cut the calories is I lose strength and then that's a mind game You are so strength and performance focused and you could honestly give a shit about Aesthetics for the most part. Are you feeling challenged right now? Yeah, dude. It's Yeah, and I've tried to adjust that by really trying to Work more into movements and activity and and upping that in terms of like how I feel athletic So I backed off a little bit on the intensity of like heavy weights and You know grinding my way through that which I love that, you know, and I know you you're the same way with some of that stuff but I've been trying to to refocus on Getting more core work in and trying to add more multi-planar movement and Just just literally doing walks at every minute of the day like that I can get up like go shoot hoops with my kids like I'm really like Finding opportunities to I'm gonna go climb on this over here Like I'll just think of something that I can do that that'll like activate my whole body You know one of the things I'm I'm really enjoying right now about training or that I'm realizing about myself My body and stuff of getting older Um, there's there is some really cool benefits of getting older if you've trained, you know Pretty much your your whole life like I I see how little I have to do if I if I keep my diet in check Oh, you're right. You you do way less now than you did before. Yeah, I know I mean Way, way less. What a great message by the way. It's like you set yourself up Yeah, for when you get older I mean to me that is like one of the haze in the barn one of the haze in the barn One of the coolest parts of getting older and have trained for for over two decades now Is that I I don't have to do and I don't I have to do A fraction of what I was doing 15 years ago It's so true and I have a better physique than what I did 15 years ago, which is very cool. It's so true And it's such a hallmark Advantage of resistance training. I don't think you could do that with other forms of exercise But because of that muscle memory like all the hard work you put in like I see this with jessica right now She's seven months after the baby was born She can barely squeeze in a workout here or there because the sleep is so bad And I'm looking at her. I'm like man your body is so resilient because of all the work That you did, you know beforehand, you know, one of the one of the values of supersets Is because oftentimes if you you'll see in a program supersets are put during the cutting phase And they say oh, it's because you burn more calories That's not the value You know what the real value of supersets is for me is that I know I have to go lighter anyway supersets You can't go heavy anyway So if I'm already not as strong because I'm dieting Then I might as well do a superset because with the superset you can't focus on weight anyway So it's all yeah, it's all up here. It's all mental for me So you'll see me do that with shorter rest periods because it's like well, I'm not going to be hitting prs Anyway, it's so funny because like just getting back into cardio like I feel great like you know, we we talk you know about ways to You know manipulate your your body composition and everything by lifting weights and kind of staying in that train of thought but Like I was I posted that stupid video of me just doing like parkour and messing around and all that stuff I could see how stiff I am in my movements and just like Like I just doing like one little jump and then landing on like a hard surface like just totally jolted my lower back It's like this is embarrassing So I got to work on that like I get work on like You know the overall functionality of my body athleticism. So I'm just kind of leaning more into that Now, is there something that you like a staple exercise or routine or move that you do when you when that kind of clicks for you Like I remember I had the same Feeling when I I jumped out of the truck remember I told you I thought my knee was going to explode. I was just like what the hell, you know Like that's a skill that I never thought I wouldn't have and I haven't I've had it since I was a kid For the first time ever I felt that and so instantly I was in the gym and I had specific movements that I was doing Right. So do you have things that you go to see? I adjust my squats more to like the multiplayer lunges that's like my first move because it's To me, um, you know being in a split stance position and Focusing on different planes of movement. It just feels like I I I'm just more athletic. I have more Uh, I could stabilize myself, uh, you know from a lot more different factors versus like I I'm just so Been so rigidly in the sagittal plane even though I talk on the show the time about Uh, trying to incorporate like more rotation and all this I just have to like Really start to lean into that more. Yeah, I started doing, uh, I got doing the sled drives That that's a big one and then I started doing box jumps. No joke. I started doing a little bit of box jumps here and there And uh, boy, if you don't practice something you lose that skill. Yep I for the first couple weeks. I was doing I was like, this is embarrassing. Somebody saw me right now Yeah, this would make it on instagram. It'd be a joke. Some cobwebs there But I can feel myself getting better, you know each time Is that one of ours that you got in your hand right there? Yeah Yeah, no, uh, you mean the mirror? Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to put the stickers on it though. Yeah. Yeah, you know, this is cool Yeah, right. Yeah, it makes it a little bit cooler. Let's stay authentic. Yeah. No, no speaking of mirror though I actually, uh, I just asked chokie to do, um Bring back the original ones that we did so we've gone through and done like All I think we've now done maybe 12 I mean what I love by the way too if you've never been in the mirror website and gone through all the different What do you these called canteens or whatever, you know, all the different ones? I mean they have stuff for wine What did you call it the other day? It wasn't a tumbler. You call it some of the ramblers I mean they have all that stuff though. They have a tumbler. They have tumblers. They have I mean, they have the mugs They have the the traditional coffee. They have the super size one. They have this which is the tesler I don't know what you call What do you what do you call these dug? What's what's the name of like the big water bottle like this? No, it's got like a name. It has a name. Let me look it up They also so I don't have it on this one Katrina has it on hers They make these interchangeable lids Where you can flip it open and it has like a straw built into it, which is pretty cool. She likes that one But anyways, I'm bringing back for us. I'm going to bring back the the 16 ounce coffee one with the lid Was my favorite and we we did you guys used to use those all the time all the time I use it it's because I like the the coffee mug which that one's cool, but it's less coffee So I think it's only like it's a little small Yeah, I think it's only eight to 12 but it fits in my in my you know cup holder in my truck So I was like that's pretty much what I'm doing these days. I'm making all my coffee before And that's why I told chokie I want the because it's 16 ounces and it fits in the cup holder really good because the other one that's even bigger Doesn't fit in there as good. I want some factor. Yeah selfishly I want the one that fits in the in my truck and it's also it's taller So it's more than like the little 10 ounce or 12 ounce or whatever they call that a wide mouth vacuum sealed bottle Damn, it's a mouthful like that. Yeah, but I'm trying to I'm trying to drink water more I've I found myself doing a lot of the the coffee caffeine and If I don't if I'm not mindful of it. I'm not carrying this thing around I I under drink water. It's like the whole tracking calories thing. It's you know It makes me drink a lot of water the element I put that in my water and I drink the fuck out of it because it tastes so good Yeah, so I just drink a hell of water all the time with it But if I don't I forget especially when we're podcasting a lot No, I'll end up and I'll get I'll get home after work. Oh, man. I feel the different one cup of water or something You know, like I'm like disoriented almost. I'm not drinking water You were actually the first trainer of mine that I actually think I heard you say this a long time It was funny you wrote that up That I heard you say that to a client that was talking about being tired and fatigued like the first piece of advice You said is you know, how much water are you drinking start drinking water and I was like energy Why is he going that way water first and I thought that was interesting because no, it's a big deal I know and I know that I'm pretty bad about that and it was like one of these things that Wow, it's not the first place I go when I think oh, I'm getting kind of fatigued or Sluggish in the day. I don't think water first. I think oh, how'd I sleep last night or what did I eat? And sometimes it's that easy of a fix that if you are really under consuming water You will feel side effects like that like fatigue, especially headaches people who get oh often get headaches That's why that's why you know, that was something that I recognized because I did suffer from headaches a lot Hey real quick before we get to the questions head over to mind pump free calm Go check out what we're giving away for free. You won't believe your mind lots of free stuff at mind pump free Dot com. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast first question is from sara haney I love following strong female role models like lori christine king Who has worked to get her caloric maintenance up to around 2500 calories while maintaining the lean physique Is this a realistic number that most active females should be able to consume? Or are people like her an anomaly? I I picked this question first of all shout out to lck out. We love her Oh, she's amazing. She's one of the best ones. She is she's phenomenal. She's she puts out incredible content And I picked this because well one it was liked by a lot of people so there was a lot of people that had this exact same question and This was kind of a number that it was a generic number. It's very generic because there's definitely an individual variance for sure But that was most clients I could get most female clients regardless of their size and so that I could get up above to about 2500 or above And that would be a good and what I have found For most of my female clients. This is a good amount of food Right now some people might say that 1800 or 2000 is plenty of food for them Well, this is the of course this is where the variance is right or some people have crazy appetites and they want 3000 calories So that's where here's where the individual variance comes in But I always thought that 2500 was a pretty good place for me to get most my clients because it gave me plenty of room to Yeah, because then you go down to 2000 to cut. That's right. That's where typically you'll go That's right. You know, it's a hard question to answer because it's so different From person to person. I think it is a decent target But like here's a deal. Um, 2500 calories sounds good. It might be too much in the sense that you might be like I don't want to eat this much food. Um, also it might not make you feel good It's so different from person to person. But I will say this If you're healthy, you're sleeping good. You have good hormonal health And you're doing proper strength or resistance training where you're building muscle You will burn way more calories than if those things are not there You will have a metabolism that burns more calories. Well, and this is what makes or would make uh, Laurie look kind of like an anomaly because she's strong and she build and she strength trains And you know, she builds muscle and you know, she came from a place where her metabolism was wrecked Right. It was really slow. That's right. So you can do the same thing too But if you're if you're comparing yourself where you're currently at and you don't strength train and build muscle like she's built muscle Then yeah, it's going to be very hard for you to compare your 1500 to 1800 calories to her 2500 And it may take you a while to get there to put on the muscle mass that she has over the last That part's important by the way is that you got to be patient sometimes. I've worked with clients Guarantee she didn't get to 2500 overnight No, and I've worked with clients where they did so many rounds of extreme restriction and lots and lots of cardio And they really train their metabolism to get really slow It took us a year to get the to get them to really make an impact with their metabolic rate So you're gonna be patient now. Why would you want to be patient? Well, what a good place to be right at the end of doing all this now You're in this position where you're eating more than you did before in your leaner, right? And that's much more sustainable, right? I mean, that's the point really is to achieve that to even have that as a Goal is a great mindset to be in and I think that that's really why we're trying to promote that more that you can You can achieve that you can achieve a level where you feel like you're eating quite a substantial amount But you're still in a really lean place Next question is from the sore not sorry I hear you guys talk about the elimination diet frequently I've got psoriasis and my gut is easily bothered, but I don't know what is bothering it Where would you suggest starting? What do you recommend to keep in the diet? When first starting out, okay, so a couple things if you find that your gut is very very sensitive I would suggest first off going to see someone and maybe getting tested for Sebo sebo is actually present in a majority of people Who have irritable bowel type issues. So that's number one. Now. Why is that important? It can be cured. It can be cured with antibiotics or it can be cured with Herbal antimicrobials So besides that you want to take foods out of your diet that are common in tolerances The most common offenders are dairy Gluten added sugar you could throw in egg whites to that you could throw in nuts You can throw in legumes and that if you want to go really crazy But dairy and gluten I would say are the two most common ones that That you can remove but here's the thing. There's a big individual variance here I've worked with clients. I had I had one lady Who had mild psoriasis we couldn't figure out what it was It turned out to be bananas. Well, look what just happened to me with meat. Yes, true I mean, I just did like an elimination diet all the way down to just meat And I found that if I was not eating grass-fed meat that I was having my psoriasis was flaring up Which blew my mind because I'm like I'm eating nothing else And I've never had and I've never actually felt an issue from meat I didn't think I did but now it started to make me connect the dots like so one of the biggest flare ups I get with my psoriasis besides sugar sugar is number one for me And the next one would be when I'd eat like a five guys burger Now I thought it was the gluten that was in there and maybe the dairy But what I actually think it is it's the combination of the the red meat That's not grass-fed the dairy and the gluten It's like the perfect Storm for me because all of them affect me and so and something like that hits me harder than anything else that I've ever I've ever done. That's an interesting the combos Which I've noticed as well like certain foods as they are by themselves Don't react or give me that same reaction as they do when in combination Which is something too that you kind of tease out and this is why I find this Strategy so valuable though is just and it's tough because really to to perform it effectively you have to be super strict and rigid You know in terms of like peeling back all the way down to something I don't I just don't feel like a lot of people have the discipline really to pull us off You also have to be very open-minded Because what happens a lot of times give me your favorite food. That's right. It's almost always your favorite food That's I mean he's still here. Yeah, so there when when you do this you don't want to believe It's something you really enjoy or eat a lot because it's that's hard for people I eat that all the time though. How could it possibly be that I know and and that's the other thing too Your body is very resilient And it will it will adapt like if I like so no and this is another one. That's really tough for me I'm noticing that Way affects me worse more than what I thought it would now In the context of it being by itself the only thing they it's not enough But if I start to do it multiple times a day or Frequently in the week it starts to compound and then it will start to cause issues That's really tough for me to break free from that because it's something It's a food that I've been attached to for so long And so you got to be open-minded to be okay with it the same thing with the the meat I love meat and so I was like there's no way it's the and when I thought of the burger I'm like it's probably the bread. It's probably the cheese. It can't be the meat You know I'm saying there's no way it's the meat like because I don't want to believe it's the meat So but then I was on a completely all meat diet and I only had those issues when I was eating outside of grass-fed beef so You can start I like like a Paleo-esque type of diet I think is a kind of a good a good place to start or like or carnivore if you're willing to go that strict Of a place to start and then you slowly build by the way if you eliminate something you have to completely eliminate it Completely and you got to give yourself at least 30 days And then introduce one thing at a time So if you cut out dairy and gluten for 30 days, and then you introduce gluten leave just gluten for a week Don't introduce two things or three things because then don't don't introduce it in a massive amount either I made that mistake. Yeah, because I'm like so excited. I'm gonna eat this and then it just Hammers you so what's really neat is and speaking to psoriasis because I have psoriasis too About that because it's a it's a visual thing you can see like it's very obvious when I have a psoriasis flare up I mean if I'm really dialed on the diet, especially when I'm eating low calorie It completely suppresses it it goes down the minute I eat in a surplus and I hit some of these offenders It flares right up And if I've been doing a really good job of running like an elimination diet or avoiding the things that I know That I have an issue with the minute I take it in I mean it's 30 30 minutes to an hour after eating that food and I'm like itching right away and picking at it like so You'll know so you'll know but you got to be aware You'll be a lot more sensitive to coming back. That's what I mean You're more sensitive when you when you've eliminated it for a while and then reintroduce if you've got all these foods in your diet It's hard because the body is resilient. It will adapt It will start it won't flare up as bad even though you're getting a flare up from it When you pull it all out and then you reintroduce it you'll see you'll get a different reaction Next question is from marissa lift repeat What is going to be the next big worthwhile shift in fitness? Oh good question. You know what it's funny Since I've been doing all these interviews for the book I've been interviewed now by several doctors. In fact, I was just yesterday I was interviewed by uh the author of wheat belly. Are you guys familiar with that book wheat belly? It was like a best seller. I didn't read it, but I'm familiar with it right so and he has a group Where people pay to listen to speakers so in this group I don't know how many hundreds of people were in there and I'm talking about resistance training He's been communicating this exact message for and he was a cardiologist He's been communicating the exact same message now for the past couple years And him and I got talking and he says, you know sal he goes uh the research around strength training or resistance training just didn't exist A couple decades ago. I've talked about this before on the show He said more recently Research is coming out where they're studying resistance training And they're looking at it for for longevity purposes. How does it affect brain health? How does it affect heart health? How does it affect visceral body fat and diabetes and he goes the research is coming out is crazy I think the next big thing this is what I bet on when I wrote that book Is going to be strength training now not in the fitness space. We've all known this for a long time But I think the medical community now starting to come to it and start to push it I think over the next 10 years, we're going to see in terms of prescribing it Yeah, I think over the next 10 years We're going to see strength training be a thing that everybody talks about the average person So that's what I would predict is the next that'd be great kind of big thing Yeah, it's a little more general than the way I was thinking. I was thinking a little more specific I think that glucose monitors are going to become way more popular I think you're going to see and I think it's going to help a lot of people that have like diabetes and stuff And it's going to it's going to unlock a lot of things nutritionally for people that are trying to figure it out I mean, we were just off air having a conversation with melissa and she was From hole 30 and she was she's using it right now and we were talking about how She she could eat oatmeal. She's telling me like she could eat a whole big old bowl oatmeal No spike whatsoever from it, but then she has a little bit of sweet potato And she gets a massive spike from it So I think there's such an individual variance in how people react to certain foods And I think for the most part we are very clueless to that And I think that is going to unlock a lot of potential nutrition behind that I I find it so valuable to get more accurate information that that pertains to the individual And I think you know the more we can kind of You know hone in on that Nutritionally will Really provide people with a lot of good valuable You know things that they can then apply to their their planning and their organizing of their shopping lists and everything I would like for that to be a big thing. You know, I think it's extremely valuable. I'm very fascinating The challenge is going to be, you know, are people going to do anything with this information? That's always going to be the challenge. Well, that's always with tech And that's I mean because I don't start out as they're trying to make it cool And then you know later on people like, okay, what's the value here? I mean, it's the it's the same the debate that we made with the whole mirror and tonal thing Right because I mean that thing could be extremely valuable too But will people use it and will they use it correctly? And will they be consistent with it or will it be just that much harder because it's in their house And it's easier to say no to it not do it. So You know a lot of these tools So I don't know I think the the glucose monitor because it's something that they you literally stick it on you and don't have to Think about it and then all you'd have to do is basically check your app to get the feedback on what what you ate To me That's going to help a lot of people out and I'm interested to see where that goes I think too and and I think that this was starting to become a trend before the pandemic and everything else Like where we we saw like unique like little gyms that that were popping up that were just recovery based Uh, and I was getting excited about that But then you know all this hit and so it was like, you know retail took a massive You don't lump to the face, but I could still see You know some traction there in terms of like there's just a big Community of people that are over training don't realize it yet You know once they kind of step into something like that that introduces them to What a full recovery focus would provide them. I think it would be interesting and valuable Next question is from adam polman fit How have you faced paralysis by analysis in your own lives? And how do you recommend people combat it in a world of information overload? I'm trying to think of the last if this ever really, you know, I don't tend to be a person that gets paralyzed by analysis I tend to just run we were in a shoot aim. Yeah, we're the opposite Yeah, let's say we kind of have the opposite problem. We tend to Just do shit and I think that you know what I'll tell you where right now Purchasing a home here in the Bay Area So I can definitely go back and forth part of me is like should I get one and the other part of me? Is like it's too expensive around here. It's crazy. Yeah, that's that's fair You've been saying that for the last two years and if you would have bought two years ago You would have made like 300,000 and then there's that right and then there's that. Oh my gosh I would have done, you know, so maybe something like that I could think of How do I combat it? I mean you just got to fucking make a choice and be okay with the fact that you might have made a No choice So the the answer to how like this is not I don't I actually think I'm pretty good at this Right. I think all of us are and one of the things that when we've talked about this Uh, you you and I just had this conversation with my nephew who I'm mentoring right now is because he struggles with this Is you have to make peace with the worst outcome So you have to think of this or it's responsible for you to think about like it's let's use your house example What is the absolute worst thing that could happen the market? Yeah, the housing market tanks. Okay Well in that situation, what would you do and would would it really be that detrimental to you? Would you be able to still live in it or potentially rent it out and just hold on to it for 10 more years and Or would you lose your ass or would you be so leveraged that you would be screwed like in your situation? So think of the worst scenario that could happen with your decision And make peace with it and if you can't make peace with it Then maybe you shouldn't do it But that's I mean that's how I look at all the decisions that we're about to make I go like, okay. I want to do this in the business or I want to do this in my life And I'm like, well, I don't think right. I'm not the type of person who goes Oh, it's gonna work out so good like nothing in my life ever works out. Perfect Right. So I'm so used to things crashing burning failing that I go like, okay I'm gonna put all this energy over here. I'm gonna make this decision This could go wrong. This could go wrong. This could happen It could be this bad and I think about all of them and then I go like, okay Now what would I do if all those things happen and if I can see my way out of it And I would be okay and I could survive it or I could or I could make peace with that that bad of a situation That I'm doing it. Yeah, I'm jumping I think that's good advice because if you're okay with the worst then you'll just take it You'll take a step Like because what happens if you're not okay with the worst You take no step. By the way, no choice is a choice. I think sometimes people like I'm too afraid to choose Not choosing is choosing right? You're choosing to not choose and so you've done neither And they say that's the worst choice like you're you're better off making a bad choice because a bad choice You can at least learn from that and there's a lesson in there where if you don't make a choice You'll always wonder what if I did that or didn't do that I think it's always risk reward and and you know role playing that and and seeing it all the way through Like you're kind of describing in terms of like, you know, what's the worst case scenario? What could happen and I think that's really how I've been able to deal with most of it And it's like if I'm gonna be fine Then and I'm gonna be able to work my way out of it even if it's the worst case scenario then like what am I waiting for Like I'm just getting in my own way But it takes reps it's gonna take smaller I just think that if you can you could find things that maybe don't sound as You know Frightening for you and step in and just go then do the next thing step in and go and just just build off of that Some people maybe that would help To strategy wise. Well, this is why I've always liked in business to Come up with ideas that because I've done a lot of things that didn't pan out But I've always done things that I'm like, okay Well, here's my main core job that I love to do or that makes most my money But I have this idea I never I've never done anything that is so polar opposite of what I'm doing That if I left that and committed to that I would be absolutely screwed if it failed Yeah, I've always tried to do things like okay I I have I have this business idea And this business could actually kind of help this business potentially grow and then if it fails I'm still in this space and so I'll be okay. So you do your risk reward type of attitude I might I tend to make decisions that I maybe not have as high of a reward because it's not that high of a risk But that's because I played this game in my head of like, okay, it's not gonna work out It's gonna fail scaffolding here. Yeah, and then you could branch out. 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