 Welcome back folks. So now Dow industrial is right now up 26. You've got the Nasdaq down 64 S&Ps are off four and a half our folks guest today is William Kilgore William is the founding member of the St. Petersburg tenants union the st. Petersburg tenant union seeks to address the housing issues in st. Petersburg in regards to gentrification rising rental prices and negligent landlords and Bottom line folks who have seen across the country the price is going Exponential in the Tampa Bay area. They're going up faster than anywhere in the whole country in a metro area William welcome to TFNN Hey, well, thanks Tom. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So tell us first off You know what the tenants union is all about and how you're trying to help people right now Yeah, sure thing. So, you know the tenants union were a renters rights organization You know, we're we're out here Not just advocating for you know expanded tenant protections, but we're also fighting And organizing tenants to take direct action to improve their conditions, you know, similar to labor organizing, you know organizing Especially in multi-family buildings, you know and kind of resting back control, you know from the You know dictatorship of landlords. So so when you say the date, well, yeah, let's go I want we want to break this down, man. So let me ask you something that the so in Pinellas County I mean, I know that the Tampa Bay area our rents have gone exponential. So in Pinellas County Let's say that, you know, if you have someone that's in a tough position Do you have some kind of a program that you can help them go through the Pinellas County rental assistance? Because that rental assistance goes for 18 months, right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean that that's one thing we you know, we help with When we go out in Canvas, we're doing outreach or or investigations of You know apartment buildings and things like that, you know, that's one thing. Yeah We we always provide information on on how to apply for the ERA Gulf Coast legal community law program other free legal aid Organizations and all that, you know, so that's stuff We provide the tenants and that, you know, trying and we also assist them with that, you know If they need help, you know, or to have issues with the tech issues and things like that We so so let me ask you just talked about landlords. Are you pushing? Are you taking all landlords and one pot Are you saying that there's negative landlords and there's halfway decent landlords and there's good landlords? Tell me we are at that Sure, I mean, I think, you know, we definitely our target is, you know, especially corporate landlords, you know They're unaccountable faceless Corporations, you know that that own lots of properties, you know across the country and that kind of thing But, you know, Landlordism is inherently exploitative, you know, we have an interesting idea about democracy in America, you know and Freedom, you know, that only applies in the public realm, but that freedom doesn't extend to things like Businesses your workplace or the place you live and we don't have a democratic process, you know in You know a multi-family building, let's say that's owned by landlord You know, there's no democracy that landlord is essentially a dictator on their own private property And that's kind of what we, you know, kind of see freedom as you know to be able to, you know Be be your own dictator on private property and we think that's wrong We think that democracy should be in in living spaces as well And that people who live in a space should have ownership and control of it. And so how would they have ownership? Would they buy that's Would they know it's well? Well, it's it's something you you might you might leverage through direct action I could it could be through purchasing, but I mean that's kind of what we you know what what we strive for we take back the control There's more of us than the landlords William. All's I'm trying to do here is figure out. Okay, so you got a landlord, right? Inside of those expenses and I understand rents are high I get that okay, but inside of those expenses Landlords have taxes they have you know, they're gonna fix the place up Who's gonna do all that you see what I'm saying that like how does that work? Yeah, well, I mean, that's that's the thing I mean that the landlord is essentially like a middleman, you know what or you know, you have a management company I mean look at like how condos operate, you know, you have a management company, but it's you know, it's under like a you know each occupant owns their their own unit and they they have a You know a board and they make decisions for the for the building it would be similar to that, you know You know, but if you if you're renting you you don't have any of that, you know You give the landlord their the money you don't have any say over how that money's spent if it's going into improving your your unit Or or the facilities as a is a whole, you know, and that and that money can just be, you know pocketed and put into the Landlord for them to make profit. Yes, so tell me how you tell me how you'd like it set up Just you know collect the ownership and I and that's that's kind of how you know You know what we're doing with the tenants union, you know, we're we're going in trying to when you say collect the ownership So so let's stay right there. You collect the ownership so that you do like a cooperative, right? And then a cooperative will what buy a building and then you'd Basically have folks in the building is that what we're talking? Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely I mean and you know for the interim and we have you know We have landlords who own a building let's say but you know similar to Labor organizing, you know, there's more of us than the landlord and and the landlord relies on us to Pay our rent, you know, and so we have we have leverage, you know to be able to meet certain demands and things We need and things that aren't happening in the building that landlord is negligent or whatever we have that power Collectively to to leverage that you know, I can definitely see that with folks that don't take care Of buildings that's that's unbelievable. So let me ask you something. Have you come up with any proposals to the city of St Pete in order to basically, you know, what whatever you believe in have any proposals in there yet? Yeah, yeah, actually, we had a couple ordinances with that were just heard in the HLUT committee Back in September one of them would expand the month-to-month notice At least termination from 15 to 30 days and then the other one would Prohibit landlords from discriminating against folks based on their source of income. So things like rental vouchers Social security unemployment any lawful source of income. So those are being heard. They're being pushed We've got some resistance from the Bay Area Apartment Association they proposed some last-minute changes to these ordinances And that we're They were taken up but that that's that's all tentative right now. You know, we're in for a fight You know what I saw this morning was pretty cool Actually that years ago in New York City, and they have all this in the whole country has a problem like we're talking here But what they did what was really cool I thought and this is something that you can think about with your folks is that they the There was buildings that that want weren't great shape But forget that I've just cut them a chase and what it was was that whether let's say that you can get some folks together You get a building right then you can go to the city and say hey man That's it with the taxes because the the tax ratio inside buildings is pretty expensive too Do you know I'm saying let that okay if the tax ratio stops I mean the city's everyone's saying that they want things to lower. So it's like, okay, man, you know You have a tax ratio that stops Then it would seem that on a continual basis going forward you'd have rent that would be less. You know I'm saying Yeah, yeah, and what else can help with that too is you know cutting into the landlord's profits, too You know, I think that's the big thing. I think that's really where a lot more that that money comes from in a lot of those expenditures You know, I mean, I don't think low-income people should be Really taxed hardly at all, but um stay right there. We got one more segment stay right there right right back sure. 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That's TFNN.com then hit watch Tiger TV Welcome back folks a doubt now up three Nasdaq down 72 S&Ps off seven Guess today's William Kilgore Williams the founding member of the st. Petersburg tenants union So William we only got a couple seconds left, but let me ask you so I Get the gist What I'm trying to figure out right is this is that okay? So we have nasty landlords for sure that don't take your units Unfortunately, we're in Florida and tenants don't have rights And if you don't know that folks, okay that the bottom line is that it's it's pretty weird how you can take tenants and Push them out in Florida. I mean it's actually insane. It's I don't know if it's 30 days or 15 days It's very quick But how how do you figure that you can get a community going dinner? I'm saying that who's gonna pay for it How do we get to that point? Well, I mean, I think you know, there's a lot of wealth in boots St. Pete specifically in Florida, you know, but in a lot of wealth that in this city Specifically this bit, you know been coming in the past several years, you know, I mean I think I think it comes from it comes from those with with wealth, you know, they they You know, they need to give that back, you know to the people who whose labor and everything makes makes the city City operate so what about the labor that the people though that you what you're actually saying is that you're saying some of Who come work and then you're saying they're gonna give it to you and what about their labor? Well, I mean it it depends. I mean, you know what whatever we're talking about But you know specific like a landlord, you know, people say they're housing providers They're they're not housing providers the people who build housing or housing providers the workers You know, and the landlords are essentially just a middleman who gobbles up property Masses profits and then extorts people for the the basic Need of shelter with so it's a basic need Listen man, this was great. I'm gonna have you back on man Appreciate it. You have a great weekend a safe weekend. Thanks to the education man. Thank you, Tom. Thank you so much Thank you. Have a great one. Have a safe one