 We've got to do something that'll convince the core crowd and Martin Luther King and Joe Rao that if they want to help go water okay, they can go this way. What they'll do, they'll bring it up on the floor, you'll have a roll call, the northern states will probably prevail. New York and Pennsylvania and California and Ohio and Michigan cannot afford to have it said that they afford the governor Miss Sippy who murders children and against the Negroes in their own town where they got 20% Negroes, that's right, so they are in a hell of a shape. So we throw them out and when we do we write a blank check to him 15 straight. I don't think that's a wise thing. I don't believe the Negroes won't do that for go water, but if they do, well we just might well recognize it. Well now let me, Mr. President, just let me say first of all I haven't bought the argument of the other fellows. I've met with them and listened to them and fought back with them. Their argument is that there will be no roll call votes at the convention. If everybody is seated, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, everybody, just seat them all. That there isn't going to be any fight at the convention and make it a kind of a united convention and just don't make a point of it. If you have a delegation over, have the Mississippi Banner made up of Negroes and a governor over there, you've got to dilute those and hell the first thing the governor does is say this is not right and I want a roll call and he's one of 15 states that demand it. He's not about to sit there. You don't think Jim Eastland's going to be willing to have another Negro senator come up here from Mississippi and be co-chairman of the judiciary, do you? No, sir. Of course not. Well, all right, I'm just telling you what their particular argument was. Now we came up with another proposal which I'm trying to sell, namely that we seek the regular delegation and that we have as an alternative the establishment of a commission within the party to take a look at this whole business. I think it's all right. Now we're going to try to sell that but I want you to know that they could if they want to they can say that they're going to enforce the hell out of this rule. Yes. The upper battle rule that you've got to agree to put the electoral names on the ticket. Well, I agree that we've got good legal grounds on that one. Thank you. Then you aren't on sound ground. But now the question is who is going to get the Negro group before they get so committed? I saw a row on television last night. I saw him on television the night before. This communist group is calling everybody. You know what John Connelly? I've been telling John Connelly what a great man you are and John Connelly likes you. And Marlon Sandlin is a great friend of his. And they're all your friends. He said, my God almighty, the worst thing could possibly happen. Every delegate got an ADA letter yesterday. Tell them where to head in and Hubert's name's right up on top of it. And tell him to please bury those letters, what's said in them, seven letters. If they want to stir it around, it's the worst thing to happen. That's what he called in last night. Of course, I never sent any letter out. Of course not, but ADA does, and your name's up. You follow me? Yes, I do. And they got no influence with the Southern delegate. They haven't got a damn. They don't want to be sent in a letter to Arkansas. All of us won't accept the president's invitation to come to dinner next Saturday night. That's how bad it is. Georgia's wobbling. Louisiana said, thank you very much. Alabama, Mississippi said, hell no. We don't know about South Carolina. And if they won't sit down in the White House far away with the president and his wife, you can imagine how much effect the ADA letters don't have on them. So please tell those boys to put sending letters to Southern delegation that just exposes their hand, makes up my head. I have a meeting today, Mr. President. I was going to call you this morning. I knew I needed to talk to you about this. I don't want you to think I haven't been at it. I have. I don't have as much control or influence of these people as I would like. They're under a lot of other influences, as you well know. I have been in touch with Farmer. I haven't been in touch lately with with King because I just haven't had a chance to get at him. King is going to Europe today. His man Ruskin is calling. They're demanding that this be made to big fish. Now I think it's you all talk to go around. You all talk all over the roots of Detroit and I'm what do we do? Get these Negroes together? Can you can you call them together? What what can you do? Should I call them together? Should the president call them together? I called water and got to find out how we can get an agreement here that we don't to bring this thing out and fight it now. It's not gonna not gonna take any money out of my pocket. If they want to run off these 15 boats, they can run them off. It's that simple. I don't think that's what they want to do to go water. But if they do, we ought to tell them to please don't do it and fight them and do the best. And I'm going to stand up and fight to seek the regularly elected delegation from Minnesota and the regularly elected delegation from Utah and the regularly elected delegation from Mississippi. I'm not going to seek the Alabama delegation if they raise hell about it. Unless they put my name on the ticket. I would be violating my own rules. Yes, sir. And that's where they ought to get their out. All right. That's what we'll try to get Walter immediately and ask him to come in here. Ask him telling this is an urgent thing because it could break up this convention damn quick. I know. And I don't think they're not hurt me. They just help and go under that soil. This is not the personal. I think you ought to do that. I'll be with him. I think we ought to get a few liberals together and get them on the phone. State these liberal delegations in Minnesota and Wisconsin and California and the district Columbia. That's about all they are. Wagner and Bailey and Lawrence and the big states all want to seek the regular ones but these other boys are putting the pressure on them. And if they get a roll call, they get a poll in their delegation in Pennsylvania says they'll stand up. But then Dave Lawrence said, Well, now when Joe Clark sees you there grows, he's going to get wild. He's going to demand a poll. And then Joe Barr Pittsburgh, he's got 21% acres in Pittsburgh and he's running for election as mayor. So he's gonna say, hell, I can't be on record this city. So the Pennsylvania delegation is going to blow. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. And the Illinois delegation will go up. Well, I will make it my business to put a man again on it. I have been I've been using smacks very effectively on this. I thought he'd been doing good. But Joe is just, I don't know, I'll put the arm on him again today. And what you better do is we better just to really try to see if the Negroes don't realize that they've got the president, they'll have the vice president, they've got the law, they'll have the government for four years that will be fair with them and will be just with them. And why in the living hell do they want to hand shovel goldwater 15 states? Yeah, that's the only thing I see from it. You see any good that can come from it? Not one damn bit of good. Not one bit. We're just not dealing with what I call emotionally stable people on this. If if we on the other hand have a fight and win, and we support misstep, it seems to me that all the poor Negroes in Atlanta and in Harlem, they'll say, Well, Johnson, they stood up to misstep the convention. So we haven't got much choice to win goldwater. That's right. And so we just won't go. But we got to settle it before the convention. I know. Clayton Powell called up yesterday and said he'd been looking goldwater. Golden record, it wasn't too bad. And he wants Luthe off. And that's already started talking about Luther King said, Well, I'll give you this between Mississippi and these things are I don't know. Maybe the neighbors won't go. Well, they're gonna we can't let it get to that point because we're gonna have a hell of a time with a unanimous part. I know it. Okay. All right. Are you gonna call me back tonight? Tell me what you think. Yes, sir.