 You are listening to the world's number one fitness, health, and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Now in today's episode, we answered live questions from listeners and viewers. They called in, we actually got to coach them over the phone or over Zoom, so you get to listen to that part of the episode at about 41 minutes. So the first 41 minutes was our intro portion where we talk about current events, studies, we mentioned our sponsors. Let me give you a rundown of today's podcast episode. We started out by talking about tights for lifting. That's right. You can wear tights while you lift weights. Apparently it's got performance enhancing benefits. They don't just feel good to wear them, right, Justin? Yeah, they have some other purpose, apparently. Yeah. Then we talk about Apple VR glasses coming out. They're going to be really expensive. They might be pretty awesome. Who knows? It might change the world. Then we talked about how medical news today talked about one of our sponsors and one of their articles, the Chili Pad and Oolah. So these products heat or cool your bed with water. So they don't use, there's no EMFs. There's no wires in the bed. It's all water-cooled. But you can adjust the temperature of your bed to give you optimal sleep. And some of their products have two sides. So you and your spouse can choose different temperatures. We love their stuff. And because you listen to Mind Pump, you actually get hooked up. Here's what you got to do. Go to chilitechnology.com, that's C-H-I-L-I, technology.com forward slash Mind Pump and get an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners only. There's a discount code on that page, by the way, when you pull it up. Then we talked about the characteristics of serial killers. One of them is kind of weird. Then we talked about the stock market and real estate asset inflation, some speculation there. We talked about the keto diet and influenza or other respiratory diseases. Really interesting study done on mice. We talked about how San Francisco is changing the name of 44 of their schools because, you know, it's the best way to spend their money. That's just what's happening. Then we talked about Bishop Barron. Recently I interviewed Bishop Barron. We got some comments on it. And so we talked about all that and the evolution of ideas. We talked about who invented the most disgusting food of all time, Hawaiian pizza. What's wrong with you people? We talked about how one of our heroes when we were kids just died recently from his battle with cancer. Screech. So rest in peace there. Shut up, Screech. Then we gave a workout update. We're all working out real hard right now, trying to get super fit and motivated. Justin talked about how he liked to use Organifize Pure before he podcasts because it makes him feel sharper. Organifize Pure has got 11 superfoods. 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Oh, whoa, wait a second. Wait a second. Hold on. This is a trick. Hold on. This is a trick for sure. So I'm coming right behind it. You've been stealing my credit for the last four years, man. Wow, dude. You know what? That's why I don't compliment you. All those facts are just like, give it right away. No, I forgot. Tell me, stroke my ego. That's really weird. Tell me. No, you know what? I made fun of you early on. Okay. You never do that. About wearing tights on your legs for leg workouts. Yeah. You did. With a compression pants. Compression pants. I still make funny. Don't say tights. Justin's still on the— Yeah, I'm on the face. Still makes fun. But I used to make funny. Stupid, whatever. And you're like, oh no, it feels great. Anyway, I've been doing it now for a while because I read some studies and they help with recovery, inflammation, and performance. And I will say, they definitely do. I don't like working out my legs without wearing them now. Yeah. It's like the pump I get is better. It's your little thunder vest. Thunder thighs. That's what it is. Yeah. It keeps everything—I mean, it does. Studies do show it reduces inflammation, speeds up recovery, blah, blah, blah. But you have to actually wear them for longer than the workout in the studies. So people would train in them and then wear them the rest of the day. Or some people wear them at night when they go to sleep. I can't do that. It's a little too tight. Yeah. Well, I got to confess. So I used to wear them for football all the time. So yeah. I mean, we called it a girdle, whatever. It was basically just like tights that you'd wear under all your pads. Back when you were a cheerleader? Yeah. Back when I was on the sidelines, yeah, get them, boys. You were a base, right? Not a flyer. No, I'm too handsome for a base. You've had your Justin the flyer? Move away! I was leading the chairs. He's coming down! Let's go. Hey, you guys see that— Justin wore baggy sweats. Hey, I like these tights. Those are actually baggy sweats, Justin. What are you talking about? Those aren't supposed to be tight. Did you guys see Apple is getting ready to release their VR glasses? Oh, yeah? These things are supposed to run like $6,000 to $10,000. What's the difference? What's their pitch in terms of that versus Oculus? Or the—I don't know. So, do you wear them all the time? No. Or do you wear them just to play games? No, no, no. I think you would just wear them for games or whatever you're plugging into. But have you guys been seeing some of the ads that are around VR and stuff coming around that are looking pretty cool? No, I haven't. $6,000 to $10,000? Yeah, it's crazy. It's going to be expensive. Wow! Yeah. They better be awesome. Well, they always try to make their product like the escalate of everything, you know? Well, I think—I mean, let's be honest. What market do you think is going to just crush in the VR department? Porn, dude. Pornography. 100%. So, if you're going to spend $6,000 to $10,000 on glasses, we know what you're doing. We know what you're doing there, Bob. We know exactly what's going on with the VR devices. We're on to you. No, I've done—I've seen VR before and it gives me vertigo a little bit. Yeah, the closest—I mean, I went to one of those conventions where they were displaying VR and they were trying to include some fitness and stuff. It was interesting. The one that I tried, I was on this gyro sort of contraption. So, I had to lean on top of it in a prone position and then I started moving. I would just make these slight movements and I was flying on some glider and I started to get a little bit sick. It was trippy. It does. It gives you vertigo. Yeah. When you're looking around, it goes, oh. You get really immersed in it. That's what I mean. Your brain has trouble, I guess, figuring out if you're actually really doing that. So, aside from your porn prediction, where do you see this—where do you see it first really blowing up besides that? Okay. Video games. Video games. Yeah. I think video games. Okay. Now, aside from that, because those are obvious, I would say, right? Yeah, it's obvious. Do you guys think VR glasses would be good for virtual meetings? So, you know how like right now everybody does Zoom. So, you're going to do a meeting or we do an interview and we're using Zoom. Do you think VR glasses would be good for that? Where now I can look to my left? There's Adam. I mean, I think for our company it would be great because then I know you two assholes wouldn't be on your phone when we're in a meeting. You'd have these goggles on your face. I'm going to start taking a picture of this guy. He's always on his phone like talking shit. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. So, I also think it could be for educational purposes. So, maybe you're sort of immersed in like some history class, like you're going through and like looking at stuff. I don't know. Didn't they do something with sporting events where you put them on and you're sitting like you know, courtside? Yeah. I think Oculus was the one that did that, right? So, they have the MBA courtside. But you know what? I haven't heard a lot about it. Like I haven't heard anybody talking about it. So, I don't know how good it is. I don't know if it panned out the way they were. So, the MBA right now has a view that I hate when a camera that they cut to. And I think it is that courtside view. And when you're in person, I don't know. Maybe it's just different when you're in person and you're sitting there. That's awesome. But when you're watching on TV, I kind of like the bird's eye view. And I don't know the technical name of the angle or the view that they shoot most of the game from. Because you can see the whole court. I can see the play developing. I can see the ball moving on the other side. When they drop it down to this view as if you were someone sitting on the sideline watching the game, it sucks because if something's on the opposite side going on, you miss. Yeah, it's limited. Yeah, it's very limited. So, I don't know. I'm not a fan of that. Well, however good VR glasses are going to get, I would assume that Elon Musk's Neuralink is going to blow it out of the water when that becomes a thing. Did you guys see that they have a monkey? Where are they with that? Well, okay, I was just going to tell you, right? So, they have a monkey playing video games right now with Neuralink. So, they've hooked up a monkey's brain to Neuralink. And he's now, the monkey is now operating a video game. What? Yeah, through thought. So, that's where they're at with that. So, when they do studies like that, I always wonder like how accurate is this? Is it like, because didn't they do a thing where monkeys picked stocks and then he did better? So, is it like, really is he critically thinking to pick the stocks? Or he's just randomly picking it? And is the game like, is he like, you ever play with a button pusher? You know, I feel like you would be a button pusher when you play games. Me? No. You just like smash it with your fist. You just push all the buttons as fast as you can. No, no, no. Sometimes you win. No, no, no, no. Half circle, AB, select start. I'm just kidding. Nintendo. Okay. No, I think what it is is that there's a particular game or series of movements that the monkey would have to do for them to realize that it's intentional, not random, and they're able to show that. You know what's funny about this? This is what cracks me up, right? People are like, they're spying on me through my app, you know? And then Elon's like, I'm going to put something in your brain. They're like, I'll buy that. Yeah, that sounds better. That always trips me out. Yeah, it's weird because I know they've been working a lot on neural feedback. And so just based off of tracking of your eyes and everything else and sort of predicting like where you want to go, they've developed games and things around that. But now that's like obviously a whole another level. Now, have you seen the studies? This is the creepy stuff, right? Have you seen the studies where they're able to hook someone up to some kind of measurement device? I don't know exactly what they're using. If it's an FMRI machine or something else. A person thinks of a picture or a face and the computer is able to pixelize what the person is thinking of. So like if I'm thinking of your face, then without telling anybody, the computer can show what I'm visualizing or they're able to pick up what people are dreaming or they say that technology exists where I just realized magicians are going to go out of business. Why? Dude, people are going to know. They're going to know everything. I knew that bird came out. Tricks. Yeah, I just saw that. No, but how weird would that be if you go to the airport instead of putting your bags through the thing or whatever? Put your head in this machine real quick. So I like to speculate on the things that you think might happen because of it. Like what industry is going to pop up because of something like VR? What's going to change and be so different that we don't have today? Dude, what was that Black Mirror episode where they recorded everything that they saw and so the husband and wife got an argument? Oh yeah. He could rewind back through his eye. Yeah, he could like zoom, super zoom in or he could rewind and like go back and replay the day. So like if you could read someone's mind, imagine having a conversation with your spouse. Honey, is something wrong? No, no, I'm fine. And you're like, oh, you're irritated because I chew loudly? That's weird. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, yesterday when we stopped by Best Buy on the way up, right? And Eli went in with Doug and we picked up those DJI drones. And I really think that we're not far from, because these things already have like tracking and autopilot and like, you know, it's like, literally we're, I don't know, maybe a year or two away from this where you can, these things will just, you can have them hover above you and just track you all day long. And so that's kind of like that, right? Where you could have, and you sounds ridiculous, like who would want to record their day all day? Well, you already have fucking kids doing this right now on Instagram. Like that's doing this all on YouTube, right? Like documenting their days every single day. Like it'd be so much easier to just have this thing that automatically poops as soon as you pop up and hovers and kind of follows you around. And then you decide of that content, what you want to put out to, you know, the public and everybody else. But for personal use, you'll have a log of every single day of your life. We've seen influencers in the wild. So we know that's not going away. Yeah. Nobody's checking these people. So now they got drones. It's just going to get ridiculous. Yeah. Everyone's so important. You want to watch my movie? You want to watch Thursday? Look what I did today. You want to see what happened on Thursday? This was cool. Look, I threw the paper and the garbage far away. It went right in. So crazy. It's all hovering on it in the bathroom. Yeah. And I put it up on my page on Instagram. I'm so real. Day to day. I'm so authentic. Maybe I'm just not there yet for that technology. You know what technology is cool right now that I'm excited about? We just got our rulers in, right? Chili technology is where it's at. The fact that you can control your wife's climate and yours simultaneously. And this is the granddaddy. This is the one on both sides. Fuck VR, bro. This is where it's at. Hey, did you see medical news today? It's a site that I'll follow sometimes. They listed the Chili Pad and Uller as some of the best mattress cooler or heater products around. So they did a big evaluation. And is it because it's not using any like EMS? Right. It's all water. Is that why? I think it was because the range of temperatures, how you can control it from your app. The fact that it's water cooled. And then the feature that I think is the most valuable. I know a lot of people are, I don't know if people are actually using this, but I find this extremely valuable. I set it so that, because here's what happens. To wake you up. Yeah. If you're in bed and let's say it's set at 60 degrees. I don't do that. I need to do that. Dude, try it. I know you've been saying that for a while with your alarm clock thing and I just thought it works. It's like you're simulating nature. So you're in bed and you want to wake up at seven, set it so that it starts to warm up. At six thirty. At like six thirty, six forty five. And here's what happens half the time. Half the time you just wake up. I feel like I'm whatever. Just don't do lukewarm or go pee your pants. That might happen. I don't know. Just like I tried this. It happens to people. I swear. It's backfired. You know one of you were bedwetters. Did you guys ever do that when you were kids? No. No. I've been awkward of it. I said yes. I know. You know that there's a genetic component to that? You know that? Really? Yeah. They found some genes that are connected to bed wedding. What? I know, right? Well, I've heard it's also connected to serial killers. Really? Yeah. What? I'm serious. Google it, Doug. You guys and your conspiracy theories. That's not a conspiracy. What were we doing last night at dinner? That's science. They associate like certain characteristics. You live on some of the dinner last night and you've like right away Justin knew how to. Oh, yeah. Well, it was about Lyme disease. Lyme disease. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it's just because there's speculation because it was all like an East Coast disease initially. And there was this island. Plume Island or Plume? Yeah. Plume Island, Plume Island. I don't know. But yeah, there was lots of biomedical experiments there. And so like people speculate that it might have started there on an animal and then transferred over to a tick and then it's spread out from there. There it is. Doug, did you find it? I did. So there's three things that are linked to these serial killers. Let me guess. Hold on. Killing animals. Yes. Yes. Wedding the bed. Yes. And being male. Maybe. Probably. Session with fire setting. Yes. Pyro. Yeah, that was the other one. Wow. That's interesting. That's crazy because I used to love setting things on fire, but I didn't do the other stuff. I know. It's strange. Yeah. I guess you have to have the trifecta. Does it say triad? Does it say why, Doug? Does it say why? I mean, obviously the pyro thing to me and killing small animals is very obvious to me. Killing animals seems obvious to me. Right. If you caught your kid torturing an animal, you'd have to have a meeting with your wife real quick and be like, all right. Yeah. Like, what are we going to do? This is going to kill people. This is a problem. Yeah. Maybe we need to ground him. How many parents do you think that knew that ahead of time? Do you think there were parents of serial killers knew? Bro, when I watched that documentary. You know your children so well, right? You guys feel like you could tell if like, bad behavior. He's an odd bird. Yeah. I feel like, and I watched that documentary. Remember that documentary I told you guys about where that woman, she came up with a multiple personality thing or whatever? She studied a lot of these killers. Okay. So it's a combination of genetics and very strong, severe environmental factors. So like, they had terrible abuses, children, terrible parents. So I think, you know, asking a serial killer's parents like, hey, you know, do you ever think that, you know, beating your kids and, you know, abusing them or whatever, whatever, make them a serial killer. You see what I'm saying? I don't necessarily, I don't think, I think it's pretty rare to happen in a kid who grows up in a well adjusted, happy home, you know, even what's his name? Who was the serial killer that at the time everybody was like, oh, he's so handsome. He seems so normal. Jeffrey Dahmer? No. Was it Dahmer or Bundy? Ted Bundy. Oh yeah, Bundy was a good look for it. So the story was that Ted Bundy had a normal childhood. Not true. Not true. He had an abusive, you know, childhood growing up. And so they think that's some of the reasons why he did his thing. You guys, you got a little left turn here. You guys, are you guys watching stocks right now? I mean, what's going on with the GameStop? Yeah, yeah. And everything else going on? Are you, are you, what's your family saying? I want to know because they're all tied into this. Oh, they think they're just like, man, this is inflated. Everything's inflated. Now they're starting to finally say that it's doing that. Really? Yeah. So I mean, what can we ask what they're doing with their money? That's what they do for a living. Are they starting to protect themselves? Are they pulling some money out? Are they going to leave it in? I think the classic things that you do, you hedge with, you know, things that tend to do well when stocks do bad. So like gold, Bitcoin now, people are doing Bitcoin, maybe stocks that are really well established that pay dividends, you know, stuff like that, less speculation. But I mean, trying to predict when a bubble is going to pop, like, good luck, you know. And that's, I think that the challenge is, because you want to ride the bubble before it pops. So like, when do you pull out? You know what I mean? How long is it going to go and continue? It's so interesting though with this, like what's going on with Reddit and with, you know, Robinhood and this ability to buy these like partial shares. I just feel like it's opened the door for a whole new percentage of the population that didn't really exist before for stocks. And so it's kind of hard to gauge that, right? Like, is it really a bubble or is this more than new norm? Because now there's, you know, millions more people that are buying stocks that would not have been to buying stocks just 10 years ago. I think it's a bubble just because the amount of the statistic. This is a real statistic now. 40% of every dollar ever created in history. So as long as we've had the dollar, okay, 40% of all dollars ever created were created last year. So that to me says asset inflation. But yeah, back to what you're saying, here's what's interesting. Now, because what's happening is these big hedge fund billionaires, they're getting screwed. They're getting squeezed out of their shorts by these Reddit, you know, investors or whatever. Is this still happening? Is there other examples? Yeah, they're doing it. They're trying to go after different things now. Silver now, right? It's like, how do you stop them, right? How do you stop them? So now mainstream media saying, oh, if these Reddit, you know, investors don't stop messing around. They could cause one of the biggest stock market crashes of all time. Like, you fuckers. You fuckers. Of course we're going to say that. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the speculation, right? That everyone's going to get nervous about this, which I think is kind of normal to see. That's kind of weird, right? So I think a lot of people start pulling out, especially if you've crushed it the last year and a half in stocks. It's like, okay, maybe instead of trying to keep, continue to ride this, maybe I'll just all pull out. Well, what it is, is if these big investors pull out, if they say, you know what? I don't want to be in the market right now because these guys are screwing with us. They don't pull out like, you know, $100,000. These guys are pulling out like hundreds of millions, billions of dollars. That could definitely cause. That would shake it up. Yeah, but then, hey, everything's on sale when you should buy. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you know, if you're, and I'm with you on the, because I think it's just, it's mind boggling to think that we've printed almost half the money this last year. I mean, that's just crazy. So that causes asset inflation. Does it necessarily cause a bubble though? A bubble is something that is going to pop and is like artificially inflated or because of other reasons that cause it. When you print that much money, I almost feel like, and I, of course, whatever comes, goes up, must come down. Like, I think we will see the flattening out of the real estate market, the stock market, and a dip. But I don't see a massive crash. I see a new norm. I see a new norm. That's exactly what they said before 2008. That's literally exactly what they said. Yeah, but we're, you're talking about a whole different situation, right? Well, okay, you're right. But the fundamentals are the same. And what I mean by that is bubbles happen when you have malinvestment, right? So what is malinvestment? It's taking resources, investing them in places that, especially when you have more resources that are not due to increased production, better efficiency, it's just money. It's not tied to more production. Well, that's your point when you're talking about stocks, right? Like, what about real estate? Well, real estate then. That's tied to something. That's tied to property. It's tied to land. No, the money to buy it isn't. That's what I'm saying. So what happens is, if the fundamentals aren't there, if the efficiency is not there, the production is not there, you just have more money competing for fewer products. And eventually that malinvestment catches up. It's called a market correction. And when that happens, then you start to see kind of that chain of events that starts to happen where you see these corrections, these big corrections. Yeah, my argument to that as far as a malinvestment with real estate is how things have changed since 08. Like, I don't know what the percentage is, and I remember reading this in an article somewhere, but it's a lot. Most, a majority of all loans that people have been given since 08 are 20% down with, and you got to have AAA credit to get into these. We don't have all these garbage loans that we had before. So, and then that was back in 08.9. So if you bought your house, now if you bought it right now in the rise, maybe, but if you bought your house three years or before that time, you have, you're sitting on, depending on what part of the country you're in, yes, a lot of equity in addition to your 20% you put down. So you got to keep that in mind that if a bank sees that, and by the way, banks do not want to foreclose on properties. That's a headache for them. They're not in the business of repossessing people's property. They don't want to deal with that. They don't want to, they're not in the real estate business, and they don't want to sell properties. That's their last resort. They want your interest. They want your interest. They want to just keep you paying. And so, they have all this leeway with these people that may be defaulting right now on how to handle that. Yeah, but what happens when people, everyday people are having trouble paying a rent? What happens when governments step in and say, we're going to have a memoratorium or whatever you call it, we halt rent. Nobody has to pay, but you can't kick them out. What happens in that scenario, now it starts to become a problem. Now here's the thing. Yeah, but we haven't seen massive increases in rent. We've anything, we've actually seen a decrease or a plateau in that. We're not seeing that. So even though housing prices are inflating, cap rates are diminishing and the rent rates are not going up dramatically. So what does that tell you, right? That tells you that people are speculating the price of property because they have more cash, more money. Well, I mean, what it tells me is, the way I think about it is that 40% of all money in circulation right now was printed in the last year. Therefore, you have one of two choices. Either the dollar is going to be worth a lot less and it's going to start to diminish or crash or massive, yeah, price and fluctuation or inflation, you see in assets and in goods. So that to me is... That's a good hedge it is because also if you have a fixed mortgage and there's inflation, let's say the dollar loses value, but you have a 3% 30 year interest rate. When inflation happens, fixed debt is wonderful. Now your payments, your $2,000 a month payment or whatever is now, it's like paying $1,000 a month. It's fixed, right? What you don't want to do is those adjustable loans when inflation hits because then interest rates go through the roof. And that's what I think is driving the housing market right now. I don't think it's like a bubble like we saw before. You need a smart investor. Yeah, I think it's a lot of people who see the writing on the wall may have had a few hundred thousand or millions parked in bank accounts, CDs, investment portfolios and they're like, wait a second, instead of me doing that, I'm going to pull some of that out, grab some of these properties right now that are going to be probably two, three X the value in a decade. Well, assets are always good when money starts to lose its value because it helps, right? Having cash, that's a bet. What a terrible situation too to put people in a position where saving is losing. Yeah. Like what the hell's going on? It's always punished for that backwards. Anyway, I'm going to talk a little bit about health here. I read some interesting studies on respiratory diseases and diet and how it affects respiratory diseases. It was an interesting study. They did all mice. And they found that when they put mice on a ketogenic diet, they fared much better with the flu, with influenza. And so now they're looking at keto diets as a potential way to mitigate symptoms of respiratory disease. I don't know about anything with COVID, but I do find it interesting. And then it made me think like, I wonder if this is an evolutionary thing because the flu has been, I mean, we know for sure the flu's been around for 500 years, but we also know that Hippocrates wrote about a flu-like disease in 400 B.C. or something like that. So for thousands of years, we've been dealing probably with the flu and it hits in the winter and humans tend to eat how in the winter when not with modern food. You're not going to eat meats and nuts. You're going to be eating more fat, probably fasting more, more protein, probably less carbohydrates because less plants grow. So kind of interesting speculation, right? What's your thoughts on it? I mean, what do you think? I think it might be, I mean, look, going really low carbohydrate running off ketones is anti-inflammatory. It might prevent the cytokine storm that they say that COVID could cause. So I think that there's something there, but we need evidence. And the reason why I was looking this up is because you guys know that I've really cut my carbohydrate intake. It's crazy. Every time I do it, it's like such a shift that I can totally feel. I dropped like four, almost five pounds of water in a few days, right? That's it, just three days, five pounds of water off my body from doing something like that. Now, do you notice a massive decrease in your energy and strength? You know what I did. So, you know, when I interviewed Rob Wolf, he talked about sodium. So I'm like, I'm going to give it a shot and really focus on it because I don't eat processed food. So I'm like, I'm going to eat a lot more sodium. I'm going to take his element electrolyte. I'm going to add more salt to things. Make sure I eat like bacon, which I know is naturally high in sodium. And I notice more energy. Yeah. I'm going to start trying that because I wanted to start like cutting down and cutting down on carbohydrates, carbohydrates a bit more aggressively, but I haven't tried to do that. And he made a lot of sense when he brought that up. So yeah, I'm going to give that a shot. I'm behind you guys. I've only done it once and I don't like to talk about stuff until I've done it a handful of times. Sure. But so far so good. So I'm having Jessica do the same thing because she breast feeds and she's noticing that she's more milk. I was most interested in that. I thought that was really fascinating. Yeah. So, but I mean, I've also heard, you know, like a carnivore diet advocates, they talk a lot about upping their salt intake and feeling better. So probably something to it. I don't know. I noticed I noticed for myself like I worked out this morning and we're at altitude because we're up in truckie right now. And I still had a decent workout and it was legs. Normally legs would quash you right here. Especially at altitude. And I felt okay. And I'm very little carbs, maybe 60 grams or less a day for the last four days. And by now I would notice like a loss in performance. Hey, Justin, what do you think about the 44 schools in San Francisco, they're going to be changing their names? Why are you going to put this on me, dude? I'm not interested with Saz's table. Yeah, I'm not. I thought I saw your name on one of the petitions. That's why I brought it up. I thought, yeah. I did see that. They're changing the names too, but I'm seeing a lot of Lincoln in Washington and those founding fathered names being eliminated from a lot of schools and a lot of other monuments and things in the country. And I can't say that I support that. I think it's a silly use of public resources. That's what I think. I think you got schools that need help and they're like, hey, everybody, we're going to help you. We're going to spend money on changing the names. We're focusing on like too much nuanced nonsense. Like, let's make... Okay, we're not even in school yet. Can we open the schools and let the kids be like regular kids again? Can we start there before we do all this stuff? Give me the update, too. What's going on with the kids right now? Private schools, what I know are reopening. Public schools are taking a little longer. I know in some areas the teachers' unions are protesting and don't want to be open. It might have to do with the fact that they get a paycheck, no matter what. I don't know, just speculation. But yeah, that seems to be happening in some place in the country. But I know here in California, they're trying to start reopening. Gavin Newsom, the governor, had this just remarkable change of mind. Very quick change of mind. Just magical. I know you were following his recall. How far away is he from that? I saw it was like 200,000 signatures away. That's nothing. It's going to probably be on the ballot. Then will he get recalled? That's the big question. Will we vote to recall? Hopefully. Dude, he's got people in his party that are distancing themselves from him because he's becoming a little bit of a political kryptonite. He's got nothing left to stand on. All of his ideas have already come and gone and they've proven themselves to be not so affected. Are we in our own little bubble here and just how you guys feel or we feel? I think it's on both sides, to be honest. Have you met anybody who's a fan of what he's doing? No, but I know some people do. They're hoping a lot of these shutdowns and things were going to eliminate COVID and help us to get back to normalcy and all that, and I totally understand that. But it's just not proving to be affected. So now what do we do? We just destroyed our economy and livelihoods for a lot of people out there for small business. Let me tell you something. Part of the beauty of how America is organized. We have states. States can enact different policies of their own and very different from each other. So we've had a long enough time now to compare states that had strict lockdown to those that had much looser lockdowns or opened up much sooner. And comparative states like Texas, California in some ways you can compare, Florida, very populated. They all have big populated metropolitan areas. And you look at them now after we've had this for a year and you can start to see did it make a big difference and the data says no, not very effective. So they were kind of like an ineffective way of helping. What did that news come out? Did that just come out recently that it's ineffective? This is what we're starting to see now. They're starting to piece things together and speculate. It's still very political to discuss because you still have both sides saying, oh, no, it's right or oh, no, it's wrong. But just look at the numbers. You look at the numbers and you can see like, didn't really make it. It seems like it didn't make a big difference. The problem is we don't know what would have happened had we not done it or had other places done it. You know what I'm saying? So you can just compare state to state and see what that kind of looks like. Speaking of kind of stuff that's a little controversial, the Bishop Baron episode went up, lots of amazing feedback. That was a great episode. Great episode. I always find it interesting though how episodes on spirituality can sometimes trigger people, which I find a little fascinating because it's like people are so ready to, just because it's coming from. You know what though, I disagree with that. I don't get that sense. I get it when you bring someone like Bishop Baron who is talking about Christianity. I don't feel like I got that from Paul Chex. I don't feel like I got that from Aubrey Marcus. I don't feel like we got that from Donda Pondie. Sanjay Rawal. Yeah. I mean, all talked about spirituality. All have different philosophies and ideologies around God. Buddhism or shamanic practices or whatever. Yeah. Ayahuasca shit. You're talking about all these different people that talk about spiritual practices that are very, very different. I don't recall us getting any of that. I don't remember getting anything from, maybe some from Paul Chex because Paul Chex goes pretty hard. I do recall some stuff from him, but I do find that it's interesting that when someone like Bishop Baron who comes on there, which by the way, I'm not Catholic or anything, but it's funny when you see that. It's because it's politically incorrect to criticize other religions and practices, but Christianity, at least in America, it's not politically incorrect. You can do it openly and not get hammered for it. I think a lot of it has to do with people's personal experiences and maybe the way that they grow up or friends or people that they've had and maybe they've had a poor experience in terms of being evangelized to and we didn't want to. Sure. That's a good point. Things like that. But to me, you also have to look at that type of experience in different directions. Different ideologies exist out there. And all I see right now is a bunch of ideologies being hammered on us just the same way that used to piss people off when they're telling them they're going to hell. It feels that way with a lot of these movements and these justice movements. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. There's a couple of things I think that are important to look at. Number one is, and this is a fascinating one, and you can do this with other practices. If you want to find a universal truth, one of the best ways to do it is to span the globe, look at different practices that have lasted for thousands of years, and then find commonalities. Buddhism, for example, practices, detachment. Detachment from worldly things. In Christianity, they do that as well, but they talk about it a little differently. Just worshiping God and not worshiping anything that's worldly. Bishop Barron talked about that in that episode. You see this in many different practices. Love, for example. Love being the pinnacle value, the most important thing. You find that in, I think, most or not all, popular spiritual practices. So the spiritual truth in all of them. So you don't have to be religious. You don't have to believe in the mysticism aspect of it. You can just look and listen to the wisdom, and then I get this pushback. Like, what do you mean it's wisdom? Well, you know, here's the deal. You talk to the average person. You ask them if they believe in evolution, and they'll say, yeah, I believe in evolution. You ask them why. Oh, we have evidence of it. We see that bacteria evolves. We see viruses evolve. We see some evidence that animals evolve. There's also the same process happens with ideas, evolution of ideas. If ideas have lasted for thousands of years, have been practiced by billions and billions of people over long periods of time, have influenced major parts of the world, then those ideas have some truth in them. They have stood the test of evolution. And I think it's super arrogant when we think we know better. Like, you just, like, you know, you just discredit it. That's old, stupid thinking. Like, I'm somehow more wise than thousands and thousands of years and billions of people who've been practicing, you know, these practices or have these ideas who have found truth in them. And so I think that's the, I think people need to look at this stuff this way. Well, I also think it triggers some people because they don't know the full context and your full story. And they jump in right now and they don't know that because you happen to be one of those arrogant guys. Oh, I was. You were one of those guys that came from that angle that I was a staunch atheist. And I got there through study and all that stuff. And so I know, I know kind of where that comes from. But eventually when I got to the point where I was exactly that, I said, man, I'm being very arrogant. Like, you know, if these, if these practices that have these common truths, these commonalities, if all these spiritual practices, these major ones talk about detachment from worldly things, for example. And which, and it's lasted for thousands of years. Like maybe I should not be so arrogant and think that I know better. Let me just, and let me look and see what the wisdom is. And that's how I kind of opened up to learning about this stuff. You know, so, so I think that's an important thing. And let's also look, here's the deal. Health take it. There's a lot of things that make up health. When now we're experts in the fitness exercise and diet aspect of it. That's the expertise. But is spiritual health a big part of health? Absolutely, man. You can be fit as hell, eat perfectly, have poor spiritual health and you will have poor health. Yeah, just acknowledging you don't have all the answers. I think is a healthy practice. You know, we could just get into learning a lot and it's great to learn and be confident in the fact that you know, you're educated and you've got to a pretty high level of education. But at the same time, you also have to acknowledge that you're a very small speck in this universe. Yeah, dude. And Bishop Barron, I mean, he has to be the most, like I have never talked to somebody that... Well, bro, he takes on anybody. Like if you want to debate and have a discussion with him, he talks... So smart. Yeah, he addresses... He quotes authors and philosophers and history. Like he's like a literal Google in his brain. Yeah, he's a scholar. It's crazy. Has him and... Did him and Sam Harris ever sit down? That's a good question. I would be wondering what a great... That would be such a great discussion, wouldn't it? Yeah, I think they have. I'll have to look it up. I thought they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't know. Because Sam Harris is great, you know? He is. He's objective. He's open for discussion and debate. I would love watching that. Now, I hear his history. He was a... I don't know if it was Christian. I know he traveled the world when he was younger and I know he studied multiple different religions and I thought he was hardcore religious when he was younger and then went atheist as he got older. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about... I know he did a tour with Jordan Peterson when they discussed some of the stuff. Yeah, I've listened to the two of them and talked about it all the time. I love that stuff, man. I love it. Like, let's talk. Let's hear. Yes, deep conversations. Just trying to figure things out. No, it's one of the no-knows, though. You know what I'm saying? Like the politics, religion, like the no-dinner-table talks. But I feel like with long-form conversations like this, I feel like it's opened the door for more conversations like that that we just didn't have before. Totally, 100%. 100% agree. You know what it is? If you talk about anything that people identify too strongly with, that's when you run the risk of the fight. Yeah, you get the backlash. Yes, dude. Yeah, it's just inevitable. In our space, it's diet, you know? You talk to like, you get like a carnivore fanatic in the same room with a vegan and say, hey, would you guys like to talk about diet? That's just dogmatic, for sure. It's funny. I was just thinking like, you know, people that like their pizza toppings, and this kind of brought it up like, I finally found out who created your ultimate nemesis cell. Oh, Hawaiian pizza. The Hawaiian pizza. It was an origin. It was a Greek-Canadian guy. Oh, man. There you go. Yeah. I'll find out his name for you in the next podcast. Pineapple on pizza? I know. I don't get it either. I like Canadian bacon, though. I'm a fan of that. But the Pineapple edition was not welcomed. Well, yeah, because it's a meat, but like... Yeah, but it goes... Pineapple goes great on ham. Okay. But... Not on pizza. It's savory. I mean, I'm not... This gets them all fired up. That's why I do it. I like to poke at it, but I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't like... No, I don't. I'm a traditional pepperoni guy. I don't like anything else. See, that's why I like it. Maybe a little combination every now and then. You guys are good. You got your heads on straight. Dude, you guys know that Screech died? Oh, I did hear that. How? Oh, man. Yeah. He was young, wasn't he? 44? 44? Yeah, 44. What kind of cancer? It was malignant. It was a type of melanoma. I think it was a skin cancer of some type. Maybe Doug can find out. But he got diagnosed within three weeks died. Wow. That's how aggressive the cancer was. Wow. 44. You know what's crazy about this? We are now getting to the age where we're gonna start to see people die who are around our age. Yeah, I know. How morbid is that? Lung cancer. Oh, it was lung cancer. Wow. Yeah, but I mean, he was a big part. I always... My brother looked a lot like him, and I think I might have mentioned this at one point, but he had the curly hair and he was nerdy and whatnot. I can't tell you how many fights I got into because people call him Screech. So, you know, like, now he's gone. Yeah, dude. Didn't he get into some weird shit after, say, by the way? He did a porn. Yeah, he did a porn, and then he did celebrity boxing with Danny Badaducci. Yeah, that's right. I didn't know that random shit, dude. Again, man, it's useless shit. It's all in there. What are you subscribing to? I want to see it. Obviously, nothing. Here's the thing about Justin. I have something in common with Justin. We both... He also has a... That's what I'm interested in. A sharp memory about certain things. Yeah, he does. He'll just come up with it. Yeah, commercials or random shit like that. So perfect for podcasting. Yeah, super random. Yeah, that's what I'm all about. But that is crazy, though, dude. 44 years old, man. Wow, that's got to be... Could you imagine having to face your own more directly? Just right around the corner, man. Imagine that. You had to face it. You go to the doctor and they're like, oh, you're terminal. At this age. Heavy smoker? Was he a heavy smoker? That's a good question. I don't know. You don't know that? Dude, I know somebody that died young from lung cancer. Never smoked a cigarette in her life. Really? Yes. How annoying would that be? Yeah. Work, maybe? Would you work then? Would you inhale in or something? Nope. Weird. They just got lung cancer. Yeah, that's brutal. I know, isn't it? That sucks. I hope you cure it one day. Come on, scientists. Yeah. Get on it, man. Anyway, workout update. How's the workout nutrition going for you guys? I know we're on this mission to... Yeah, still consistent. It's things are progressing. I've talked about my whey protein intake and whatnot for the mornings, but also before we do podcasts now, that's my ritual is besides caffeine, I'm trying to taper a little bit back from caffeine but then add pure because it's getting stimulants from that, but I feel a lot sharper that way. That's been a regular thing for me. We fell off of that. That was a traditional thing. Sal used to make that for us right before. What happened? I still do that. I love it, dude. I've taken it before. Okay, I get it. I just got sick of doing it. I'm out the loop here, huh? I got sick of throwing all your shit for you. You're like, Adam, yeah. I don't get it. I mean, it was like a thing, right? Every morning you'd come in, you'd throw our little mini water bottle over to us with our pure and then we would drink it before we get on the podcast. I just felt like I wasn't getting appreciated. I keep giving them their supplements. I love that stuff, man. Dude, it's my favorite product of theirs. I mean, I know the green juice is great and it's like their crown jewel product but honestly, pure for me, I 100% feel sharper when I take it. You know what I love? I love that they do the individual packets. That, to me, is so convenient. I'm terrible. It's probably not Sabbath. South Kerry's a whole person stuff with him. What's in the bag? Did you already reveal that yet, by the way? Come on, man. We can do that. I got a bunch. Yeah, please answer it so we don't keep getting these questions. Nobody will ever know. So if I have to scoop it out in powder form and mix it, I can maybe do one or two supplements a day like that but if I got a bunch of things like that, I don't know. I'm most likely to do it versus like a little packet that I could drop into a water bottle and shake it up. Yeah, totally. So I was going to ask you, Adam, with your workouts, because I know you said you hurt your back or something. Bro, I'm falling apart over there. Yeah, you know, I need to back off a little bit, right? I think I mentioned this in a recent podcast that I've been trying to scale back on the volume. My body's talking to me for sure. I mean, what I was doing and nutritionally originally, I think I shared this, was I was not trying to cut. I was eating when I'm hungry, just going after my protein intake. So my calories, even though I'm not tracking, I would estimate them like in the probably low to mid-3,000s, which is not really high for me, but I guess it is because I'm not moving. I mean, my workout is my activity for the day. The rest of the day, I've been very sedentary lately. I'm not getting my walks in like we used to on a regular basis, other than walking the dogs. Like I'm not really getting anything, like any steps in every day. So I've just been putting on size. And I've been leaning out a tiny bit, but I've definitely been putting size on and I'm maintaining over 230. And now I'm at that point where my body just starts talking to me. Like the last two leg workouts, I just, I went in and I felt something pop on one day. Then I was doing my back pull-ups to the day and kind of jerked myself up and felt something pull in my upper back. And this is what starts to happen when I carry myself over that 230 for an extended period of time. My body just reminds me that as much as I like being thick and full like that, it doesn't, it doesn't move well. There's definitely something to be said because I'm like that too. I, 220 for me is just, it's just too heavy. I don't have a frame. I'm not like just, Justin's got a bigger frame, right? So he could walk around at 220, probably feel comfortable. For me to walk around at 220, I have to have a lot of muscle on my body. And be very lean. And be very lean, which I've never been 220 lean. I've always been 220 with, you know, probably 13% body fat or whatever. And I could feel it to you. I'm just, it's just too much, too much weight. For me, ideally, you know, between 195 to 205 is probably my good muscular weight. What's yours? Yeah, I'd say 215 to 220 like is right around right. So you're not that far. Yeah, I'm not that far off. And that's, and why I think it's bothering me so much is because I'm still a little soft and I'm thick, right? So I think if I was leaner, I'd feel okay, right? So I don't necessarily need to like cut a bunch of weight and lose a bunch of muscle. I just, I need to lean out a bit. I need to lean out, maybe drop five to eight pounds. I think that I would probably feel a lot better. I actually kind of thought I was, to be honest. I wasn't because I haven't been really tracking the scale. I've just been eating how I told you guys, I've been feeling better. I can tell that I'm looking different. I feel like I'm looking better. And so I haven't really, you know, I was like, oh, I'm probably dropping some body fat. I'm building some muscle, which I am, but I thought I would have lost a little bit more weight than what I have. Did you lose anything? No, I've been holding right at 230. Bro, we're still sedentary. That's part of the problem. Yeah, that's what it is because I'm not eating that much. Normally if I, I used to lose weight on 3000 calories. Now, of course that was in the peak of my competing and training and muscle. I had a ton more lean body mass on me and I was moving a lot more. We'll get that rower and a salt bike in the studio. Yeah, I'm going to move my, I am going to move my rower over the studio and that's the goal. Right. So the goal is, I'm going to, for sure by the time I move, right? So I'm moving in 20 days. So when I, Oh, that's official, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we had, we were going to be leaving. This will be interesting. I'm going to commute like Justin. I've never commuted to work in my life before, but I'm, I want to be by the water. So I'm, I'm heading over to the coast and I'm going to live over there. We'll see what that looks like. Katrina and I both agreed that it's one, it's near one of our favorite places. And so we've thought, okay, let's see what it's like. I'm the one who has to do the commuting. So I also like, I like to drive. You guys know that. I mean, we've been hanging out together. Something wrong with driving then? Yeah, I drive all the, I drive us everywhere we go. Podcasts and audio books, man. This is where I get all, you know, that's my time. Well, and that's just it. I haven't been doing that consistently. Like I'm normally really good about knocking books out and been really inconsistent with reading myself. And so I want to get back into the audio books and the hour, you know, or 45 minute drive that I'll have. I think that that will be a time that I'll do it. So I'm really curious to see how I, how I, if I like it or not. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I love the beach. I think living near the water would be awesome, but I don't know if you guys know this. I have this weird fear of there being a tsunami. So sleeping like, you know, like being near the beach and sleeping in a place where I feel like if there was a tsunami, I'd be screwed. Yeah. Would probably mess with me too much. Well, how are you at tanks your way? It's a day or two. How are you with earthquakes? Earthquakes, they don't bother. They can hit you anywhere. But if I'm near the water and there's an earthquake? Yeah. I'm definitely, I'm definitely. Well, that did happen. I mean, that happened in the Santa Cruz Harbor. Like we got like trickled in like a mini tsunami that came in and lifted all the boats up and caused the ruckus. But that was it. It was just like smash some boats. Dude, it's one of my, it would be, it's like one of my weird fears. Being woken up in the middle of the night by the ocean. That's how you like get up on the mountain. You can still see the ocean and the beach. You drive down a little five minutes. Yeah, that one doesn't scare me too because there's signs of that well before it hits you. Yeah. Right? Like you see like a storm of ruin, right? Like in the winds picking up and the waves getting crazy. It's not like all of a sudden it's like calm, you know, quiet ocean. What do you mean? That's what happened in Indonesia or whatever with the earthquake. It was an earthquake off the shore. Nobody knew. And then all of a sudden they're like, why is the ocean going all the way back? Why is it low tide? Oh, shit. I thought I saw a video clips of that and there was people 20, 30 minutes before that. They could have evacuated. Yeah. There was like, it was crazy storming before it hit. No, it was a sunny day. Doug, am I tripping? I don't think there's anything with the weather that has to do with tsunamis. No, that's an earthquake. Yeah. But you still don't feel it coming? No, you don't. At all. No. Remember Doug lived in Japan? Some kind of siren that gives a morning. Well, I think a lot of them do. Cities in Japan have sirens for sure. But no, I think it can be a beautiful sunny day. You have no idea other than like Sal said, the tide goes out dramatically. And that's an indication that something big is coming down. Yeah. Look what happened in Japan. These are people who are prepared for tsunamis all the time. What's happened there multiple times. I thought I watched a whole video documentary on that and I thought I saw people that were like hanging out still at their house. They saw it coming. It was getting all stormy right before it got there. No. Something else. I mean storms can cause swells or water will come in. But it's the earthquake that causes where the plates shift to get the shifting and the water just all of a sudden moves in one direction. And again, in Japan, people got caught off guard. And Japan is like the most... They're well known for... It's a hotspot for them. Yes. And people got caught there. The Pacific coast. I'm scared. It's a hotspot for those. Yeah. They've had tsunamis on the Pacific coast. Yeah. Tiny ones. Really? Yeah. Nothing crazy. I thought they did in 1960. Yeah. Like 1820 or something. Oh. Doug, look up. I don't know. I don't know if it's true. West Coast. Okay. So what is it? Okay. Everybody, what's your... Of all of us, what's your natural disaster you're most afraid of? Oh. Tsunami for me. Yeah. Earthquake for me actually. And we live in it, which is interesting, right? It's a good experience with Earthquake, if I could say it. It's like, I was like riding it, you know, I was able... I was actually outside playing soccer, and then I saw it coming because of the ripples in the ground. Yeah. And it tripped me out. And I actually had... I don't know. I was a kid. I had fun with it. So I have a different association with that. But I think... I'm trying to think of what it would be like probably... Probably like... I don't know, dude. Kind of fire, maybe? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, fire. You're almost there. Yeah. For me, Earthquake... Here's why Earthquake for me. And we grow up in this. So I've been in a lot of balance. Did you have bad balance? No, because if it was a big one and I was in a building... Volcano explosion. You're fucked. Like you talk about the tsunami. I feel like at least you've got a few more minutes than an Earthquake. You're in the middle of a building and it goes down. Or it's starting to shake. It's a seven plus. Okay. How would you rather be woken up in the middle of night? Earthquake or fucking water coming through your door? Come on, dude. Well, you're at the point where you're saying it's there to you. I feel like you've got a little bit of a warning time. Okay. By the way, what did I say? The last time the West Coast had a big tsunami was sometime in the 60s. March 28, 1964, the West Coast's most devastating tsunami on record was generated by a deadly magnitude 9.2 quake off Alaska. It caused powerful waves that slammed coastal areas, including the northern California community of Crescent City, where 11 people were killed. See? Told you. See? That's the way up there. We're not safe. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Yeah, we're fine. Our first question is from Heather from California. Hey, Heather. How can we help you out? Hi, Sal. How's it going? Good. How are you? I recently found out I have hypothyroidism and I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on natural interventions versus like synthetic hormones and pharmaceutical treatments. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it. Okay. So you got diagnosed by a doctor that you're not- Yes, correct. Okay. And to be clear, you said hypo, not enough thyroid. Hypo, yes. Okay. Okay. So obviously first off, I'm not a doctor. I've just been a trainer for a long time. I've worked with a lot of people. I've worked with a lot of functional medicine practitioners. So I'll comment from that position. By the way, did you get tested for antibodies or anything else in relation to your thyroid? Correct. Correct. I've been doing continual testing probably over the last nine months or so. Okay. So functional medicine practitioners sometimes will have somebody do elimination diet. They may recommend supplements like ashwagandha. But here's the thing, and I also worked with a lot of doctors and I would talk to them often about thyroid issues. Hypothyroidism, if it's just too little thyroid, is a pretty, from a western medicine standpoint, pretty easy to fix situation. You just take thyroid medication. The challenge becomes when you're taking the thyroid is figuring out the right amount for you, because oftentimes you'll start it and then you'll get the effects of feeling like you have too much or too little. This process can take six months to a year to really figure out the right dose. But aside from that, it's a pretty easy fix and you don't want to go too long with too little thyroid because it's pretty bad for your health and your overall quality of life because you've probably already experienced low energy, slow metabolism, that kind of stuff. How are stimulates going to affect her? Like caffeine and things like that, pre-workout. Typically someone who's hypothyroid, that's a good question too. I would assume you probably have been trying to self-medicate with a lot of caffeine. I try to stay away from caffeine as much as possible, but there were sometimes when I was feeling like extra lethargic and definitely was doing a lot more coffee. I try not to break coffee after 1 p.m., but I was starting to do it like three o'clock in the afternoon because I was just dragging some days. Yeah. By any chance, did you practice a ketogenic or really low carb diet for a long time? No, I did not. I've never been like vegan vegetarian or anything like that either because I know sometimes B12 deficiency can be a part of this. Yeah. And in low keto diets practice for long periods of times in women, sometimes we'll show up with thyroid issues. That's why I asked that question. Yeah. So the best thing I can recommend is to follow your doctor's advice and to train appropriately. So you're going to have to kind of listen to your body, which means you might not be able to train very intensely or very often because your energy is probably not going to be great until you get the right amount of thyroid. You also, you know, there's different types of medications that you can work with when it comes to your thyroid. So, you know, Synthroid is I think the most common thyroid medication and then you can do, you know, like, I believe they do like bioidentical type, thyroid type stuff. So, you know, you can explore that kind of stuff. But, you know, from a diet and exercise standpoint, it's tough because you don't want to go too long with low thyroid. It really, it really affects your quality of life in a negative way. I'm sure you've probably experienced. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it was a pretty big decline in my health. I'm a very healthy person overall. I have a degree in kinesiology, sports medicine and nutrition. And I'm also a personal trainer. So, like, I take care of my body really well. And I started getting some cues and went to my doctor right away. And we've been kind of figuring out over the last few months what's been going on with me. That's cool. Were you noticing the brain fog, like the lack of being able to concentrate that kind of stuff? Yeah, totally. I'm one to have a really good memory. And I was really forgetting stuff. It was really bad. And I was like, is this just me aging, you know? And then it was, but it would, I could definitely tell something was off. Did you have any kids by chance? Just curious. No. Okay. What's the training protocol look like? How are you training right now? I am doing, I'm actually doing maps anabolic right now. Okay. That's probably, yeah. I would say that's probably the perfect program for you right now. Yeah. Putting myself in three days a week, I think is what's kind of just fitting in with my energy levels right now. Because before I was training like more like four or five times a week. And I was, I was basically wearing myself then at that point. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to hormones, here's the deal. You know, you can do things naturally to try to balance out hormones. But in certain cases, the low amounts of hormones themselves pose a greater risk to your health. So like, you know, men with low testosterone, for example, they can try raising their testosterone naturally. Sometimes they're successful. But if they're not, then taking testosterone is better for their health than saying, I just want to be, you know, natural type of deal. So thyroid is one of those. And it's, you know, from what I've, from what I understand from the hormone doctors I've worked with and trained, you know, they're like, look, this is one that you can just take the thyroid, not a big deal. And it makes a tremendous improvement in the person's health and quality of life. It's an area I've never messed with. I mean, I've had lots of clients and it's just one of those ones that they just, they take the medication. I've worked around it with the doctor. I've never tried to do anything holistically to change it. Yeah. So I hope that helps. Yeah. Thank you. I just, I just wanted your guys's input because I've heard a lot of stuff and I've researched myself. So Sal, Adam, Justin and Doug, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking my question. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. Take care, guys. Yeah. That one's a bit over my pay grade because I had a lot of clients that had thyroid issues, but it wasn't something that I ever messed with. It was something that whatever your doctor is telling you, as far as medication, we're going to follow. I know little things like the question I was asking with caffeine, how hard she's training, like those types of adjustments I would know to make. But as far as, you know, when you're starting, when you get into hormones, it's not something that I feel like I can really control. I've been dealing with this quite a bit with Courtney, you know, with her thyroid and just trying to get the medication like you had mentioned with just getting that right, the right dose. It takes a while and I think that it's frustrating because, you know, you have to actually wait and be patient for a while before it all kind of like balances out. But once it does, it's pretty dramatic, you know, what kind of happens. Oh, dude, it's, you know, that's why I asked her about antibodies. Like sometimes people will have like autoimmune reactions to their own thyroid and this will cause them to have symptoms of low thyroid, but they're producing adequate thyroid hormone. It's just they have all these antibodies. So how Hushimoto's is an example of something like that. And those cases, from my experience, sometimes holistic measures can make a tremendous improvement by helping your body's own immune system regulate itself better. Yeah, but what do you mean by holistic measures? You mean like cutting out maybe inflammatory foods, reducing the intensity of training, maybe cutting out caffeine and stimulants. Yeah, I wouldn't know where else to go. Looking at food intolerances, SIBO sometimes can cause issues like that, so treating SIBO. But I mean, if you just have low thyroid, you know, okay, and I totally respect it when people want to do things on their own and naturally, give it a little bit of time. If it's not working, take the hormone because having low thyroid is not good is not good for you. It's just not good for your health at all. And then later on, if she, you know, Justin asked if she had any kids, she said no. If she wanted to have kids, if she was pregnant with low thyroid, that can cause major problems for the baby as well. So it's not one of those that you want to, you know, necessarily, you know, just put to the side and say screw it, I'm just gonna be natural. If it's low, your quality of life is just terrible. Well, especially when you're talking about someone like that, like all the questions we're asking, I mean, she obviously knows what she's doing and she's researched a little bit herself and she's taking care of herself health-wise. So I didn't see any like obvious things like, oh, I'm abusing caffeine or I'm training seven days a week, super intense or marathon running or anything that I thought that might be throwing her hormones off. She sounds like she's got pretty good balance already. So I would have drove her right back to her doctor. Our next caller is Adam from Ohio. Hey, Adam, how can we help you? Hey, guys, I had a question. So my question was if I have goals for both strength progression and aesthetics, is it better to focus on one at a time or would it be better to tackle them simultaneously? Well, okay, so... Better is hard to say, right? Yeah, that's a great question because both those goals translate well to each other. Working on strength oftentimes will improve aesthetics and working on aesthetics, at least the way you train for aesthetics sometimes or oftentimes helps with strength because it helps you focus on weaker body parts and connecting to certain movements and focusing on form and the squeeze and the pump. So to answer your question, I think it's always best to train in phases. This is just from my own experience. So I don't think training, let's say worked out four days a week, two of those days are strength, two of those days are aesthetic. You're probably better off, again, this is based on my experience training lots of people, doing a three or four week phase of each. So three or four weeks of strength followed by three or four weeks of aesthetic, maybe bodybuilding style training. There's a recent study that came out that actually supports what I'm talking about as well. They showed that people who did it that way got better results and you'll find in a lot of our maps programs, we put things in phases because, again, we find that to be the most effective way to do it. Yeah, it's hard to say best, right? Because what's best is whatever you'll do the most consistently, right? So it's hard to say that one way is better than the other. I've found with clients that I've trained that it's easier for us to focus on one thing at a time than blending. It's real similar to the question where people ask, like in a workout where you'll have half the exercises you're doing in the 15 to 20 rep range for like strength building, can you do that and can you get great results? Sure, I don't think there's anything wrong with that and if you enjoy lifting that way, but I like organizing it where it's like, okay, we are focused all on strength for the next three to five weeks and then, okay, now we're really focused on hypertrophy and the pump and chasing that. I just personally find that I've had more success with clients and myself that way, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't do it the other way. Adam, do you have any thoughts or are you following any maps programs right now? I'm not following any maps programs. I've just kind of been tinkering with my own upper lower and I have been trying to phase it out, but this question kind of came up as I was working on that just as far as what kind of blocks or phases I should be running. Tell me, what are you most inclined to do, like typically, like you like the splits, you like bodybuilder style training the most, like what are you most compelled to do? I'm not sure at all, but I have really leaned more towards the split training. I think that that's really where my interest has kind of landed. We just like to kind of challenge that a little bit and see if maybe you could try any stimulus. A lot of times the body will respond in ways you'd be surprised just by shifting into a completely different style of adaptation. To take you into more of a strength phase might actually be a great start for you. Adam, I'm going to gift you a maps program, but I need to know a little bit more about you before I can make the right recommendation. How long have you consistently been lifting weights? Consistently, I'd say probably about the last three or so years. Three years, your recovery is probably pretty good. I would recommend Maps Aesthetic, and here's why. In Maps Aesthetic, the first block, the first phase, is strength. It is an aesthetic focused, obviously, the name of it is Maps Aesthetic, an aesthetic focused maps program. It is bodybuilder driven, but there is a strength block in the beginning. Phase one is about getting stronger. I think you would do really well with that program. We're going to set you up with that for free, and I'd like you to follow it. Only if you'll follow it, though. Are we going to follow it? Yeah, that sounds amazing. No problem. I'd left some feedback after you followed the program. Make sure you take some before and after pictures. I think you'll be blown away at the changes your body goes through when you follow something that's really well programmed. Absolutely. Hey, thank you guys so much for this. Awesome. No problem. No problem, man. Thanks for calling. I hate telling people that something is better than something else when it comes to programs. Because, again, we're all tools to get you something. Right, and we've talked about this before, right? It's a subpar program done consistently. We'll still always outperform the best program done inconsistently. So if there's a modality of training or a program that he follows that he likes that he stays consistent with, even if it's not the most ideal for him to see the most results, but he's the most consistent with it, then that may be better for him. So I always have a hard time telling somebody, like, this is better. But I also have experience with my clients and myself that when we have a focus, when the goal is, okay, even if you want to, I want to look good, I want to lose this weight, I want to be stronger, you have all these mangle, but we focus on one of those goals at a time, and we build our program, we build our mindset, we build our diet all around that, and then we move to the next part of your goal. I just have found that they've had way more success, and I feel like it's much easier to measure whatever it is that you're doing, what is working the best for you. When you kind of throw it all at it, when you're like, oh, I want to do mobility, strength, and I want to do hypertrophy, all together, all in the same program, all in the same week, all in the same month, it's kind of hard to tease out, but it's working really well for me. Totally, and the big one for me is the mindset. Okay, there's a totally different mindset when you're going into a workout focusing on moving the most weight, utilizing movement and leverage versus going in there to isolate and feel a muscle squeeze and stretch and connect versus working on mobility or athletic performance, for example. All of those are totally different mindsets, so for me personally, switching up the mindsets within a workout or within a week, I just am not as effective because honestly, the mindset doesn't solidify and set in until the second week. Plus you get better at it from a skill perspective. Absolutely, absolutely. Phasing is, in my opinion, superior. All things being equal out of them. Of course, if he loves working out the other way, you're totally right. Don't do something else because it's better even when you don't like it because that means you won't do it. Do you feel the same way, Justin? And then a Zumba class the next day? Zumba really shakes it up. Yeah, I'm going to be honest. He does strength-based Zumba though. It's low reps. So I see these hips. They don't lie. Our next caller is Chris from Minnesota. Hey, what's up, Chris? How can we help you? Hey, guys. It's really cool to be able to talk to you. Thanks for having me. Listen, my question is a mobility slash just kind of a core strength question, which is during the quarantine I really was trying to work on just being less stiff as a board and that involves some single leg stuff and I didn't have a lot of equipment so it was bands and one of the things I got into a little bit was trying the overhead squat with a band and it just, the connection I felt to my core and just the way it made me feel was really awesome actually. I just, I felt taller but I really can't load that because I have some shoulder mobility issues. So I'm looking for other exercises other things to do that kind of recreate that same feeling that I'm always trying to battle with to become more mobile because, you know, it's it in a desk chair all day. So I'm looking for ideas. So my question would be first let's figure out what the limiting factor is, right? Like what is it you think it's your shoulders that aren't allowing you to kind of retract to get down in that position? Yeah, I have a really bad arthritis in my left shoulder so you know I have to modify a lot of the things as far as overhead pressing I use a landline, landline bar so I can't really overhead press so it's not really an option for me to you know to work on it as best I can but it's it's really just my one shoulder that prevents it. How much have you played with the Turkish get up? Not very much. That's another great so where you're describing kind of where you're at right now is really similar to where I feel I was just about two and a half years ago where I got on this really hardcore mobility kick at that I you know what I did the bodybuilding thing now and I'm getting older and achy and stiff and I was on this pursuit to get as mobiles I could in the in the shortest period time and spent a lot of time doing a lot of like combat stretch hip mobility stuff 90 90 work for myself or zone one in maps prime used a lot of that for like our wall test and stuff for thoracic mobility and I actually got to a point where I too could get like an overhead squat but I had a really hard time loading it too just because I didn't have the core strength and stability yet and I was still I wasn't super mobile there and I still had some limiting factors with my thoracic mobility and so the Turkish get up I feel like because it's unilateral but yet I get I'm working on very similar areas even though they the exercise looks different I felt a lot of carry over into that and that same similar feeling that you just described like that was one of the things I loved about the overhead squat is like man I do even with hardly any weight or just a bar afterwards I would just feel so much better from that I get that similar feeling from Turkish get ups yeah I'll add something to that I think that's great advice and I'll add a couple things you can practice overhead carries with nothing too heavy not a great point you know kettlebell would be good but make sure it's lighter than you think just practice that full extension overhead packing the shoulder walking with the braced core walking nice and straight and tall carrying something overhead that'll strengthen that that top position and then windmills you know windmills are great for the you know the side of the core but a lot of people don't realize it's also great for shoulder mobility and I would take your time do not try loading the overhead squat if you can't do an overhead press I would try to get good at an overhead press first and I would forget the the squat overhead squat for a little while because it's far more complex a lot more moving parts and what you don't want to do is push it so far or too hard to where you actually have to take a few steps back yeah I love those two and especially if you're doing the overhead carry with a kettlebell I mean it could be a light kettlebell but just because it's loaded on the back of your arm and that being a lot of times limiting factor being able to pull your arm up in its full range of motion it kind of helps to have that loaded somewhat to give you you know some resistance going in that direction I also love the the windmills going to bring that up as well just because you do have to stabilize your shoulder while you're going through this thoracic rotation while you're going through all the rest of this motion throughout your body it's a good one to really focus on that and then lastly too with the stick if you just get like a regular stick you could do a lot with that in terms of also just doing like a shoulder dislocate but you don't have to necessarily go all the way to your lower back so starting at your stomach and then trying to bring the bar up over your head just starting with that and then pulling outward so really creating a lot of tension extending your elbows and pulling outwardly as you're lifting and raising your arms up over your head we'll start really to train you know those shoulders to respond properly Chris have you have you done a hand cup with rotation too? Yeah so I've really been into you guys as YouTube videos because they're in quarantine I got plenty of time and I'm working from home now so I've done trying to do a lot of those they've been super cool I did your webinar I can only do about half the stuff but I've just been trying to do a little bit more and make it more of a habit it was not a habit for many years and I just I'm not an athlete I'm just a guy just a regular old guy so trying to use that to supplement some of my lifting has really been beneficial a lot of the unilateral stuff too but yeah I've been trying to do as much of the YouTube stuff that you guys put out it's really helpful yeah reach roll lift thread the needle hand cuff rotation zone one those are all like I think an area that I would really put a lot of energy and effort into before going into the training a lot of the prime tests yeah and look here's a deal with mobility it's best done frequently it's not like strength training where you need to take time off it's you're better off doing 10 minutes twice a day of targeted mobility work every single day you'll get far better results doing it that way don't do mobility work like strength training where it's twice a week or once a week or whatever do it daily maybe morning and night and you'll greatly accelerate your progress awesome thanks guys really appreciate it no problem thanks for calling yeah I think the big issue with mobility is that people will do like once or twice a week no that's good advice to keep drilling that home I know we've said it on the show before but I didn't see the major improvement with myself until it became almost competitive with it where I was like how many times a day can I do this and how consistently can I do this every day like before I started to really notice a difference if you use mobility as just kind of a way to warm up it's better than nothing it's better than getting on a treadmill it's better than static stretching for a warm up so I definitely think it's good but if you're going to make changes like in your posture like you're trying to work on correctional exercise it's really tough because you have to understand that what got you in that position what puts you in the place of you know poor shoulder mobility or hip mobility or ankle whatever it may be is the habits that you do on a regular basis and more than likely you're still doing those habits so you've got to put in enough work to counter that and just simply doing it one or one to three times a week is not enough to see that feeling he just felt from being in the proper stacked alignment is something that he should experience more frequently and so to be able to dive back in and put more work in that direction is going to be everything our next caller is Angela from California hey Angela how can we help you hi so my question is can supination of the feet be corrected and what kind of priming would help with that so supinating of the feet not as common as pronating but let me just for the audience explain kind of what that is so supinating is when your ankle turns out so it be your foot kind of turning up on the inner part out and down on the outer part pronation would be like a flat foot going the opposite direction what do you think is the most common when you see that because it's rare to see that you see pronating more than you see so supinating what kind of client or what type of person comes to mind when you think of that oh dancer I had a few dancers that had that yeah I was trying to think of a sport that would cause that dancers is the only time I've really seen it in a big way lots of external rotation with their movements overarching sometimes in the feet I've seen that happen but by any chance were you a dancer in the past no well there goes that idea I like to go clubbing every once in a while by the way how did you figure out that you had excessive supination was this diagnosed by a movement specialist or just something that you noticed yourself I first noticed it myself because on my shoes they wear drastically on the edges on the outer edges okay and I have a lot of I get like a lot of pain and stuff like that in my feet and my knees and so I kind of googled it and I went to like a special tissue store as well oh yeah stay away from that shit they're just going to crush it they're going to give you insoles and things like that I guess in the meantime it can help with some of the symptoms but yeah you got to address the root cause so some of the things I would focus on are stretching the calves the soleus so these are the muscles the bottom of the leg I would work on strengthening the tibialis this is the muscle in the front of the shin so you could do like toe raises so not heel raises but toe raises to strengthen that and I would also look at your hips because often times it works up the kinetic chain and people start to develop problems in their hips where maybe their feet turn out their hips are a little extra rotated so I would look at as far up as the hips maybe do something like 90 90 have you tried anything on your own have you found any success I do I already do 90 90s and I do combat stretches and I do some other things but not so much for like that area but I mean since doing those two movements I've noticed a huge difference just in my mobility because I couldn't even sit indian style you know my my legs my knees and just moving I just couldn't do a whole lot and so since doing that I'm able to sit like that or get into certain positions that I haven't been able to do in a long time that's really good I'm with Sal I would definitely drill home the hip stuff even though it's probably stemming from the foot there could be a lot of stuff that's reinforcing it in the hips so continuing to progress that I also have like a little thing I like to I don't know if you have a lacrosse ball but I love to get barefoot and then roll the lacrosse ball on the bottom of your foot so find the real sensitive parts kind of keep pressure in that area and then while I have kind of pressure in that area I also try and like articulate my toes and that I actually start with that before I go into combat stretch then I get into my combat stretch and then I like to do things like tippy toe squats or even just working on calf raises barefoot and really paying attention to my ankles so what you'll notice is when we do like a calf raise when you're barefoot like that and you if you pronate or supinate you'll have a tendency to either the heels will kick out or they'll collapse inward and you're trying to keep them neutral and so just you doing a barefoot calf raises and really paying attention to your ankles and not allowing them to kick out or collapse in and stay stabilized so I would do like a calf raise stand on my tippy toes and keep my ankles neutral stay up there for like 5 seconds come back down and I would repeat that for like 5 to 10 reps after I do my lacrosse ball on combat stretch I think that's a great way to kind of wake up that entire area strengthen the ankles and then as you progress that you can then actually even start to load the body in that position first be able to do that with just your body weight and then you can start to load it and then you can start to challenge it with strength and stability by doing like tippy toe squats yes so I love to once I get to a place where I have good control that I can keep my ankles neutral I'm up in the up on my toes that I'll actually squat down and for me I'll start with just the you know your body weight first and then barbell and then if you can load that's a great way to kind of see if you can get like a tennis ball that you can hold but oh yeah ankle so you can keep that pressure inward so you're squeezing in and also to in terms of the pressure of your big toe that being the emphasis just something as very basic as doing walking patterns in your house barefoot but really emphasizing the pressure of your big toe to try and reestablish a bit of grounding there so you have that sort of triangle of force so it goes from you know your your pinky toe your big toe and then right there with the tongue of your shoe is so when you're walking you're raising your heel you're getting it on that pad of the forefoot and that's what you're focusing on reestablishing a better way to move something that will put emphasis on that that Justin's talking about is I would take a quarter and I would put it like when I'm doing these like the calf raises and the tippy toe squats that I'm talking about is I would take a quarter and I'd put it under the right there underneath the fat pad right so if you think about the triangle that Justin's talking about if you have a tendency to rolling out I'm putting a quarter under that the upper right toe yeah the big toe thank you and I put the quarter there so I'm thinking so you have a little bit of feedback so as you're doing the calf raises and you're getting up on your tippy toes you're thinking about driving through that quarter since you have a tendency to drive on the outsides of your feet you're trying to push off the quarter one more question do you know of anything that you did in the past like wore lots of high heel shoes for example that might have caused this for you I have no idea because I don't wear high heel shoes I'm not a good dancer I just only maybe the last you know ten years of my life I actually got into fitness I you know was just not into it before I just I don't I don't know how how I got this okay no problem but yeah all the stuff that we said should help quite a bit just you know ankle mobility in general and foot mobility in general should make an improvement but it does take time practice frequently yep yeah no thank you that's awesome I'm gonna look into all of those awesome no problem yeah less common much less common way less I mean I can I can count on one hand how many clients I had that actually supinated I mean it's more common that the people pronate and I couldn't even remember what so for me I don't think it was a dancer I had I was an athlete or what the reason was you know I actually the other one was when sometimes when you're really really overweight you'll see that they kind of they fold out you'll see it's like somebody who's like a hundred plus pounds yeah it's because of the typically the fat mass around their thighs pushes them apart and it kind of drives lateral that's the only times really I see that otherwise it's almost always pronating this is one of those I could have used the visual and the squat and the movement and the that helped a lot but yeah I would have made a big difference but it's it's still very challenging and it's it is a very interesting one people like this often will roll their ankles to the outside because they tend to be more susceptible to that if they ever try to go run or yeah play tag with their kids they'll roll their ankles quite often you know we didn't and we didn't actually say this but this is a type of person too that I would I would barefoot train with after a while too so after we do all the stuff the prerequisites that we talked about the mobility strength exercises then the next phase after that would be all your best basic I'd have her in the gym and having her doing walking lunges and I'd be having her do I mean even bicep curl everything would be barefoot and us talking about the position of your feet and like trying to get that triangle going like evenly evenly distributed while you do all your training you can listen to mine pump an audio and video come find us on youtube mine pump podcast also if you'd like to get some free information on fitness like how to get a better squat build better arms get a more trim and sculpted midsection go to mine pump free dot com download our guides we got a lot on there more than I just mentioned you can get them all and they cost nothing again that's mine pump free dot com