 Bow, what's up everybody once again is praying man shine and as you can see I got a special guest once again This is Russ. Yo, yo Russ is currently GM at the rap fest if you don't know about the rap fest You can check them out at the rap fest on IG But I'm gonna let Russ elaborate on that but he got a lot of other things going on I'm working on a record label so many things we'll get into all that stuff But how would you just find yourself? How do you pitch yourself to people? Because I know you got a lot of things moving in the hotline Yeah, it's hard to like pin one title, but you know marketing and PR I went to school for PR. So, you know, all of these things combine, you know, my brother's a producer I helped build his craft, you know, since he was 13 So that's where the ANR really comes into place and then you know I work with different artists on the management level. So, you know, kind of, you know Yeah One of our artists Aaron Knight, you know, he's from Queens. He's been on tour rich the kid young MA He's got a record called a side nigga. That's that's done pretty well on the stream and on the YouTube side And then I got another artist in Brooklyn why him he's more still in the development phases, but You know, I'm making a bit of noise on a local level. So Yeah, man, it's between all these moving pieces on rap fest, you know That that's a project that was launched in 14 2014 and I actually came on board is just the end Well, I'm stayed real with the founder and three years later, you know He's kind of like a serial entrepreneur. So he just once he felt like it had reached a certain point He was ready to just move on to the next project He was passionate about and he just kind of gave me the keys and says did a ship. So Yeah, rap fast Island records where I'm doing marketing and brand partnerships and then just working with artists on the on a personal level whether it's and press Kind of just all it up all the above which would be like kind of like a product manager type of role. So, yeah, man Okay, okay, so let's let's start with the rap test real quick And then we'll move into all these other pieces because I might have a lot of questions for you, man With the rap face you start off as an intern doing what? Marketing digital marketing. So really my job was to grow the brand we started at zero the Twitter was at zero the Instagram's at zero And I'm in the dorm room just trying to figure out, okay, what do we do here? So now y'all at what just to get a people idea. Okay, the Instagram is at 60 K You know the Twitter is at 40 K, but the Twitter actually we have posted I don't know if you remember a couple weeks back when Kendrick was on Power we we have we have posted that clip and stars came after us and I Yeah, our Twitter has been what's in McCall? Band or something or Momentarily though Momentarily we we've been I've been, you know writing every last person in the Twitter offices trying to figure out, you know What can we do so? Yeah What you know start as an intern and then um, you know, we we just like started kind of tapping on other hip hop Pages doing little shout-out for shout-outs, you know building relationships with artists by summer of 2015 We was doing showcases. We did this one showcase. I'll never forget. It was the first one. We ever did We had taxed on, you know free him. We had him hosted And it was just like a real kind of New York City Local star study kind of event like we had like 40 ounce van pull up Artists nitty Scott who still kind of she never really broke through. She's just kind of like a New York Hometown hero. I'll be getting confused man. I'll be here in New York people say nitty. I think they talk about nitty beats I haven't heard that name in a minute Yeah Yeah, we had like nitty Scott pull up for the ounce pulled up tax hosted it who else for Manolo Rose He's he never broke through neither But um, yeah, it was just a cool night and from that and from that point on we was just kind of like getting a Nice reputation in the New York Tri-State kind of area. Okay Actually that summer summer 2015 I got my first internship at a label and I did marketing at Def Jam So that's when I started doing the juggle thing and I had Def Jam at rap fest and Yeah, from that point, I was just kind of all in on the music hip-hop So vibe, you know, so I know a lot of artists probably are gonna watch this How do y'all get artists on the rap fest like what do y'all look for? Do y'all even mess with up-and-coming artists too? Oh, absolutely. We I wanted to position us as like The the blog in particular. That's for the up-and-coming artists, you know, I I stare my my writing staff of journalists to like, you know, I Obviously we have to talk about the mainstream stuff the Kendricks and Coles and But I want to be the place where you a taste maker Publication, you know, that's that's really where I want to be so as far as up-and-coming artists. Absolutely, you know, that's that's where we um That's that's probably our signature right there. Just kind of Supporting the up-and-coming acts and the acts that really can't get pressed anywhere else, you know We want to be the first cosine, but but obviously, you know, this should got to be dope, you know, this should got to be You know Yeah, yeah, yeah, um You know, like like any other publication find one of our writers, whether it's on the site and shoot them an email You know, and if he thinks it's dope They'll they'll they'll you know what I'm saying? Give it a nice little ride of your work people don't That's really it man, you know You you and I I know the same man The information is out there. There's guys like you You know, there's guys that's giving the information all day and night And it really comes down to the artists really just wanting it for themselves, you know How many artists you really that they got an excel spreadsheet they going on every blog They writing down the writers they going to the twitter they going they seeing that the email is in the twitter bio They putting the email next to the first name next to the blog In that she nobody really doing the work. So Hey, man, how'd I do that? I don't care who you are. I'm she I do that kind of stuff, man I got a list of That within the music industry. I got that within tech industry, man. I've wherever I Said man, I'm I'm gonna get some numbers and names just to give me an idea who's who that's it and you got to do that um So how about this We already know that artists can reach out and get to your writers What's been one of the more interesting things that's happened with the publication other than the kindred situation What's been one of your favorite things as far as how y'all contributed to the culture? uh, the showcases is dope. Um We we did we even did producer showcases, which I thought was probably even more dope than the artist showcase. Y'all still doing that? um We fell off of that, but I am adamant about getting back on to it because It felt like there was such a huge opportunity there. So we actually had a showcase. Um Where the winner got to to work with davis, you know, we set them up in the studio With with a session with davis to play beats for him right there close and person and stuff like that. So Um, that was just awesome. You know being able to have producers all in the room There's nothing more hip hop than a producer showcase. You know, I feel like you have to really love Hip hop to be sitting around in a room full of people listening to beats That was that I'll probably even give a nudge up above the artist showcase Because that the artist showcase even though it was dope, it was still kind of a mingle event It was it was popular people in the room. So it's like, you know, it's it's easy to show love for that But the producer showcase when people came out for that that was more like wow like people are Supporting on a very hip hop level. You know what I mean? Yeah, what are you doing at island records right now by the way? marketing brand promotion so The marketing is really just assisting three project product managers And then the brand promotion the brand partnerships. I'm sorry. That's like connecting artists with a brand so island We're actually going through a transition You know, relatively we've been known for like well obviously we've been known in the past for being Tied with def jam then they split And really since the split we've been more of a pop label doing Demi and nick Jonas acts like that But in the last five months, we have a new president. We have a new A gm and they're both black. So, um, to say the least we've been we've been Doing a hard left towards the urban side and we've been making a lot of signings and things of that nature To really go hard in the urban space because as we both know hip-hop it runs the world right now. So You know, pop it pop ain't even popping on Real talk man I knew that was bound to happen to pop man Because like when pop started off It literally just was popular music But then right right use that formula and may pop have its own sound and that sound was like kind of corny It's kind of hard to resonate with it. Like if you want to come up and culture for pop You literally have to have a record label like injection. There's no absolutely You can't independent grind your way up through pop. No, no, no, I always tell people you have to You know, I don't think anybody really does that neither if you look at like any act like even like a Taylor Swift She was country Yep Became the the the person to listen to in country music and then that became pop music where you look at drake Same thing on the urban side. He became the number one In our world and then he branched off into the larger world, you know, so You know, I don't think you could just break out in pop music You have to have like or look at uh, somebody else who's on island shampoos, you know He was in the the reggae space And crossed over, you know Somebody like Selena Gomez people like that. Like you could be a little disney star disney star with child music Yeah, and then branch off into the pop, you know, but it always it always stems from somewhere Beaver had a machine line for sure. Right, right So who were well, I don't want to get too deep until he all signed before but what kind of artists are y'all looking for? Right now I'm trying to get signed to island records because I heard I'm a little birdie that they ain't looking at hip-hop artists all of a sudden Like what kind of artists would fit y'all's deal? We really don't have a urban space identity So I wouldn't even say there's a particular frame that we looking for the shit dope and you know, the following is there That's the thing The label's only going to knock on your door when you at the point where you probably don't even want to deal with a label anymore You know, and I think that's the hardest pill for artists to swallow Um, they out here knocking on the labels doors and the labels those are the last people It's it's it's like a girl, you know, the girl don't want to deal with somebody who's texting them all day They want to deal with the guy that don't like them For us it's the same thing with with the music, you know, these guys that's like Trying to get a deal and spending their whole day trying to contact somebody at a label Those days is over, you know in the 90s sure, you know knock yourself out, but today you wasting your time You can do it yourself They better watch They better off watching your channel getting the knowledge Watching a hundred youtube channels and figuring out how to build their own team They own little small label infrastructure And going about it like that like that's that's the way to go just real Okay, because if you don't have the cloud the labels are only going to sign you and probably shelf you anywhere They're not going to put like some huge budget artists get signed Yeah, if you don't have the cloud Yeah, if you don't have the cloud and it's not a sense of urgency to put you out You're gonna get signed and you're still gonna now you're gonna have to compete with with the demi lavados and the niggas onuses of the world so it's like What's the point when you could just build your demand get a deal then And and now the labels feel obligated to put money behind you and get the ship rocking fast, you know, yep yeah, man, I've uh I mean I've spoken to some artists who've had some of those similar situations I was like you Wait oftentimes if you're about to get signed, you know, or you know somebody who Who um who wants to possibly sign you or they said they want to work with you or they kind of discovered you They already have a name, but they kind of going back and forth or if you're signed already The best way to put some urgency in them is is get popping Get popping Oh, you know, let me hurry up and lock this person down before somebody else get right I know artists I know I know artists that get deals and sit on their ass and then lose the deal six months later in their life Hasn't changed one bit And when in reality what they should have did was get the deal and act like they didn't get the deal And and still been working themselves Create an urgency in the label Because now you signed so they have if they see you making these moves without their help now they're like, okay Let's let's put our foot on the gas But but if if they're looking at you they they start to think, okay, maybe we made a mistake here Yeah, and it's nothing to drop you They're dropping you in a heartbeat man. Yeah, and my three years Being, you know with universal I've spent time at deaf jam capital republic and Alamo records I even spent time at and then now um island I've seen a lot of artists get signed that you've never heard of That you'll never hear of probably You know and it's like they got a deal and at the time I'm thinking wow That's about to take off and then like three years later. I'll think what happened to that guy man You know, it's if if I got 10 things I have to say seven of the acts that get signed Are like that and then three of them end up becoming somebody Three of them three of them out of the unknown, you know I've never heard of you until you came up here and got signed probably seven of them I I just think I think of randomly years later like man, I never popped off And then three of them right it was three And it's three to actually find their way, you know to everybody's home Hmm You know Wow So why do you feel like that is like give me a give just I'm a little bit of more insight of how the labels think How you guys think on the business side And and what a disconnect is between the artist and the business person Well, it'll be an artist that don't got any clout And they'll get signed because they have some sort of connection with somebody or something like that But that doesn't work a lot that that that more times or not that does not work That's why the labels just want to sign you after they feel like you figured it out on your own Because now once we sign you we ain't gonna mess it up You know what I'm saying if a label signs you they're not gonna mess it up So so if you already have the ship rolling you already making money selling merch doing shows all of these things The label's only gonna put money to make it bigger. But if they have to create The the the ship itself That's so that that doesn't work out that much sometimes it does sometimes it does like I said three out of 10 times Yeah, it'll work out Right no, it's not no All right, so Let's shift gears a little bit, but um, I'm an artist I'm at ground zero Where do you invest the money in marketing first? um Instagram Instagram, I always say I'll tell you why Um, the money is really in Spotify youtube, but how do you get people there? Instagram, you know, instagram is to me just the channel that bring that you could bring people to your money making channels um And and that's the platform right now. That's where it's at, you know, that's where everybody's at There's nobody not there. You know, everybody's there Um, all the influencers, that's where they're most accessible most willing to work most willing to do some sort of promo or something like that. So Um, instagram, I would say I mean facebook's cool too, but Not really like Instagram is where you want to build if you could get a hundred thousand followers with with actual engagement real followers Not not some other shit if you could get real like an organic, you know nice even 20 30 thousand followers That's going to trickle down to your streams as long as you're consistently, you know Keeping everybody engaged posting on a regular doing what you have to do That's going to get your songs on spotify and youtube's a decent amount of streams, you know, especially if like um, you know, they're they're following you for music and they're not following you because you're like doing, you know Entertainment and you know, you're that type of stuff, you know, you're making yourself look crazy But if you're up there, you know, you're looking like an artist being an artist promoting music and people are Clicking like because of the music then, you know, you'll you'll have an easy time Transitioning those people from one platform into a more music driven platform, you know that that that wouldn't that wouldn't be hard Now if people aren't into you for the music and they're into you Because you know, um first trap or something might be a track or or yeah, you you know You acting like bonk Then that's when you're gonna have a tough time because they're not really following you for that They're following you because you you're looking crazy, you know, so But but again, there's there's success stories with that you got Cardi B You got you got people that you know make make the transition and they shift the people from Okay, I was doing this and I'm doing that. So, you know, Instagram I mean to that man, I always say for me to formulate is simple like you can get known for something else, but If you don't out overcome that like the way to overcome that is simply making something That's better than what they already know you for like Cardi was dropping music for a minute And it wasn't the words music I would hear, you know And I saw she was in the videos of a few of those people in New York You know moving around and all that stuff, right? When they go that yellow drops Like that was that was that song right right because you know what she did Yeah, what she did she really just gathered a community of supporters and then um, you know with the music It just came to a point where everybody just needed a record that was good enough Everything that she was dropping it was just not good enough and then Right bodac yellow was just like ah, she got it. You know on that there it is We want to support you but yeah Yeah, you're not and that's what right to get real with themselves They think all of these people don't necessarily just because they know me for this or like The song like music just might not be good enough and the same way you got some homies You know, you got some homies that know you because they're your homies But they're playing your song consistently. They might play that verse Because you know that you want to check it out. But is it in their actual playlist? You know, I'm right and that's that's how you know That's how you really know if you if your homies Ain't only listening when you're asking them to then that tell that's enough data right there You know, that's all the data you need But a lot of people don't want to confront that data, you know, a lot of people Are not into Looking at that type of data, you know, they want to That's the different curse about, you know music man or art man because it's objective So it's like in one end you can find some people who rock with what you got going on But on another end it prevents people when nobody is accepting it They just tell themselves. Oh man, they sleeping on me when it's right, right, you know, it keeps you from facing Yeah, you know at the end of the day it's objective. But yeah, I think I think it's it's Yeah, it's a double-edged sword because this era everything is so accessible and you could do it on your own But now it made people lazy and made people feel like Um, I'd rather just watch artists that I don't think is that dope get on and then, you know Say hip-hop sucks because they got on, you know, like and it's like no, it's not about It's not about What you're into, you know, it's we live in an era now where it is almost an audience for anything Because it's the internet you can find the people, you know So it's no longer like the 90s where there's these eight rappers and everybody just has to listen to these guys It's now an era where if you just like Wraps about cars. There's probably a rapper out there for you and He could probably sell out a show full of kids that just want to hear wraps about cars Yeah, and you know, you wouldn't ask cars or something. Well, you know You know, like that's the era we in you don't have to be mainstream. That's not the end all anymore Yeah, for real man. I mean, I just got a dude called with a dude did a song for little kids about being bullied, right? And from that he got an entire school tour Like people just like he's from canada. They start they put them to america's a tour all on that kind of like that subject matter He and yeah, we're interesting niche where you can like you can niche out anything man these days Of course, you might have to figure out how to flip it and flip it again So you can get bigger and bigger because some right small and you might have a lot of ambition, but like look at somebody like, um Like xxx, you know rest in peace In the 90s if I were to say, yo There's a rapper that just wraps like real depressed rhymes and real dark Rhymes you'd be like who would listen to that? But in today's culture, it's like yeah, there's there's hundreds and thousands and millions of kids that just want to hear, you know More depressing dark music You know, there is they're out there and now with internet you can find them you can access them and um, you know Just gear gear yourself towards them. My favorite rapper is tom kennedy, you know, he hasn't had a platinum single. He hasn't had nothing Nothing on the mainstream level that would say like and and nipsy is another one of my favorites who also Just signed to atlantic about a year ago. So it's like After he's gotten already winning. Yeah after years of winning just kicking very niche entrepreneurial, um, you know Gangsta turned businessman raps It was it was that nothing to do with a trap beat and You know, uh singy songy hook and anything that's deemed mainstream today You know, they do what they like to do and there's an audience for it Tom kennedy just makes la music his music is never gonna sound like anything but la ever And and you would think and in the in the label mind you think oh, that's not gonna sell that's not gonna Whatever, but it don't need to look at the streaming numbers. It don't need to Different for a good minute too. Yeah, like I remember back in the day I heard he got in the best buy without a label and stuff like that. I was like, how do you manage to do that? And his and think about his fans Is a guy like me to work out a label because that's what I admire I'll admire the guy that Goes the regular, you know signs his life away and becomes a star I like the guy who's like nah, fuck that. You know, I'm just I'm on my own I'm gonna do my own thing. You know, that's what I appreciate That's what's up, man. I mean I know you got your hands on a lot of different things, man Is this something else that you know that you do that I don't even know about or um Man like I would say that's really it man. I don't really I rap when I'm drunk, but that's about it I think I think I'm better than any rapper man when I'm drunk Oh Shots right quick man bust the freestyle right, right, right All right, man, like um, give me this thing um I know you mess with Producers and rappers like your brothers a producer Right. How do you move producers throughout the game differently than rappers? Hmm, I would say like the producer game is totally different and and I think um, you know going into like How you say, you know, I watch you how you say like the 20 20 vision I think I was telling my brother the other day I'm like, man. I think um call it drama with like, um You know the mustards and the metros of the world. I think The 2020s is going to be like The crossroad between those type of figures like a dj drama a dj call it and a metro And it mustered and and stuff like that. I think there's going to be like figures Producers that like make albums just like they're an artist, you know what I'm saying? I think like how call it in drama are kind of standalone I think that'll be like a norm in the next decade, you know a producer putting out an album because that's where the money is that You know you you Getting a cut of an artist's money That's that that is what it is but To to put out your own album. That's where you could really see, you know, the real revenue I mean, I like that man because it makes sense to me for me. I've been thinking about this for a good minute Like to me hip hop is in behind in that sense It's been ahead and it innovates in so many different ways even though the young kids today like this For some reason shit on hip hop culture and feel like those themselves with other stuff to feel elevated But like hip hop innovates, but when you talk about the producer Like that's all that edm stuff, right? They they've been having projects and then featuring artists for years And like I remember I discovered this uh producer david gwenna back in Like oh nine ten or something like that I thought uh, because I remember my brother was playing it. I'm like, yo, this is the dopest song or whatever Like this dude can sing his ass off. Yeah, and I put them on his other songs. I'm like, yo, bro Uh david voice sound totally different on this song I'm like, bro, it ain't even no man on this song. What the hell now found a new producer I just fell do this whole you know whole like euro music and all that stuff Like they've been doing that for a minute and then you obviously see the dudes are killing the game Like all Calvin Harris too Calvin Harris another one. Like yeah, this is like dj slash producers Like what are the what do you really actually call them? Yeah when killing the game hip hop It's definitely they it's time for them to get into that And and one thing I tell producers man like a lot of producers nowadays are beat makers We need more producers we need producers producers producers who know You know producers used to play the beat and then have a hook to go with it Now if the if the rapper don't like the hook the rapper don't like the hook, but I'm a pitch to hook You know when when Kanye played lucifer for jay. He said I gotta get my soul, right? You know and then jaystar said, oh, okay. I could kill this. I see what I could do here. So it's like You know like I seen um Somebody tweeted, you know producers gotta be salesmen today. Like and then it's always been like that the great producers The the great producers will play a beat, you know, they there's always that meme of That gift rather of Timbaland, you know doing with Jay-Z doing a you know Like and and that's really how it is you play a beat For somebody like Jay-Z you have to sell the beat you have to like Kind of steer the ship and let them know. Okay. This is this type of out This is what I hear on that a lot of producers today are like emailing beats and you know, whatever Yeah, and this is like that's legit man. That's not a producer I don't like to get on people too much for it. But like if you want to be old school about it Yeah, straight up what you're saying is a producer you look at quincy jones Like the level of goat this dude is in the life. Yeah, we don't know who quincy jones is man Y'all gotta look that man up every the area in culture from michael jackson to fresh prints and different with all that stuff Like man, like there's people like that. You have to have a vision And yeah really producing and bring them together Like if you if you're a movie producer You're just the people who bring the people to get you see the pieces you put them together And right then you got to be a salesman for that because you got to convince these people of this greater vision that now That's gonna work. I now see myself on the song with him It's all right And then of course yeah, we in a little bit then they gonna be like, okay, they can trust you, you know I'm saying like drake out was like, oh man. I'ma trust congey with my track. He probably shouldn't have trust on me sound like even like Even like what I'm about to say even like um the classic story of puffin big, you know Big thought big big thought um Unbelievable was this joint. Yeah Big if you ask big he thought unbelievable was the single that is it right there Yeah, puff just had a bigger and better plan. Yeah, and at first big. He thought it was corny Two years later. All it is is visachi this linen that you know, he turned into the playboy He turned into the player. Yep. So it's like Yeah, you have to be able to sell the vision to the artist to to the management to the label Whoever, you know cotton went around to every label and publication playing College dropout, you know and and and you know, you know, you see how he is now he was like that then You know, he we would tell you the video is going to be like this and I'm going to add a quiet here and he would sell it and people would buy it People would buy it. So Yeah, all the greats man. They I think certain things from the past. Um, Aren't aren't exactly over school They just been lost because there's an easier way But the easier way isn't always the way, you know, sometimes people had it right the initial way, you know And and that's one of them things we're like for producers Email, uh, it depreciates you a bit Hey, that's real man. I mean at the end of the day to top of the top. They still got those fundamentals. It's just like basketball Fancy with it, but you know, he's the the best one still got the fundamentals at the same time Yeah, you still gotta put the ball in the hoop. It's still the same game Still the same game Yeah, I think gotta start pushing that a lot more I'm making a point of it in these streets, but like that will be the new era like of producers who like There has to be an uprising of legit producers again I think it's yeah, because it only makes sense in this era, right if you think about the fact that People are just playing albums and they picking the best song out of it. Anyway, so what's the difference for From me an album of five songs all these different artists. They're just gonna pick the single they want anyway Yeah, but that's another thing. Um, that's another thing that you know streaming kind of made like Artists feel like man, why why would I make an album if I could just put singles out? But in reality For certain type of artists an album is the only way to communicate greatness Yes You know like that. It's really the only way like sure nothing but a g thing would have been cool Living on its own, but it was the entire chronic album that made dre dre Wasn't any particular song, you know and same thing with Kanye same thing with puff These were albums that created these legacies all them singles were just Pieces of a larger picture Yep, you know, there's no way that you can paint your story and get people to fully fully invest in one song and who you are Yeah, it's just one song you got no matter how good You gotta like to make them feel invested. It is my background is where I'm from like good kid mad city, right? Like you gotta you gotta bring them into a world and one song is not one world No matter how good the song is I wasn't I I thought Kendrick was great. I thought he was really good I thought he was really good and nothing better than really good And I had a close friend of mine That from 2010 to 2012 was telling me yo this kid is goat level and I was just like goat level you pushing it You know, he's decent though. He's really good. I like him. He's good But when good kid mad city came out, I texted him and apologized real And I say yo I see it my fault It's all there Section 80 didn't quite do this for me, you know and and and the other one before I can't think of the name That makes sense on section 80 because he's still sounding like wane and jay-z on different songs. Yeah, it was like this is good I definitely see that he's really good, but goat level Yeah, yeah Apology It was the art of peer pressure that really made me realize I was like if four songs in I was like, yeah, yeah, this dude is different All right. Hey, well, um Because I know we could go on actually the straight up hip hop for a good many man But when it comes back to you man and what you do Um, I'm gonna really leave them with something valuable in terms of what you got going on or where where do you Feel like artists in terms of where they could connect with the platforms like rap fest I know you said they can reach out to Some writers do their research. Is there anything else like that y'all have going on? Like maybe coming up another event that some artists that might might be We're trying to for 2019. We want to kick back the um get back into the artists showcases producers showcases We even want to dial in like other shit like fashion shows. We really want to be like a cultural um You know just just a pivotal Cultural platform. So, um, you know, we we started in 2014. So we a lot younger than Like a lot of platforms, you know, the only other platforms that like are Really young that are really known is like lyrical lemonade. No jumper. So like um Yeah, we're just you know, we're starting a podcast. We we got one podcast that we're probably going to do a deal with soon um Stuff like that. But as far as artists man, you could reach out to any of the writers reach out to me, you know Russell at the rap fest.com um And you know, I'm I'm receptive, you know, I'm I'm pretty tied up. I won't lie. Um, I'll probably forward it to a writer, but um, Listen to my check when I send it though We I might not I'm gonna keep it 100. I might not but somebody will I can guarantee that You know, somebody absolutely will and um We're we're accessible man. We're not we're not at the point yet where it's like Some some difficult tasks to get on the site, you know If the the difficult part is for the artists to be dope, you know, if the artist is cool They got a solid video or even a solid record Nice artwork nice mixing on the record solid verses and a hook You know, um, we'll we'll we'll take it home Hey, man, artist, that's what you want to get on man You want to get on in these publications before they get big so you add a relationship that they build up You know, I'm saying a lot a lot of people would like You know email complex all day and night and it's like maybe Swiss the strategy of man switch the strategy that's not working try something else You might be able to get on rap fest Build your audience and didn't get signed out. I don't records. Yeah, you never know man. You're not you never know, man Little bit man. Um, all right. You already told him where they can get you on my terms of the email He said russo at the rap fest calm you want to give your social media to him or anything? Yeah at rusby 13 34 on twitter and instagram But but feel free, you know shoot a dm or whatever we can we can chop it up. Um, yeah, man I give the game for free, but Like like you and I both know man a lot of artists they they um They they're looking for a fast route man. They're looking for some sort of quick Come up and unfortunately The the game has gotten a lot more accessible, but it's it's you still got to do the work Oh, yeah, it's not people lazy, bro. It's some it's gonna be somebody in the comments talking about Yo, man, what's it? What's his instagram? What's his email? Yeah, yeah, that's a guarantee That's a guarantee, man But bet man appreciate you once again Yo, everybody as always if you like this go ahead hit that like button if you like eat mines well sharing if you're not subscribed You know what to do hit that subscribe, but