 Name another podcast like this who gonna bring it to the table boss top who your girlfriend face check it check it Check it this unique house. It's your boy. You see on I'm here with the lovely amazing official. Mr. Mako. What's going on? Nothing. You know my dad will walk on man. Hey man. Look man. It's going down man I'm here man. I'm set up man. I got my guy here. Lamar Lubin is in the big legendary Lamar Deuce Lubin. Yes Lamar Deuce Lubin is in the building man. What's going on man? You know what? I had to come back. I really had to come and just thank you guys so much because you know what ever since Y'all don't realize that y'all started me off. You know, I'm back in the biz Really my thing and you guys were the first interview that I did. It was hard too. It was the first year It was oh, what do you mean was hard? I loved it, man Let me tell you so now I got two songs out. I got I seen that I got a song called just like that Well, I got ballad in my box, of course Just like that, which is a line dance and it's just got played on the radio Just got played on the radio And then next thing you know it I got a new song with DJ Cali remix my producer the one. Yeah, I've seen that. It's called never forgotten I love that song man. It's about all those that we lost in southern soul And also people that you know, you just lost people listed to it and going man, it made me cry It's like it's so neat. I got people like Nelly Travis calling me. I got Omar Cunningham You know that the southern soul people calling me telling me dudes, we love this song Thank you for coming out and doing this song and I guess gotta thank DJ Cali Remix is going to be an album called the Untouchables, which is an album full of nothing but producers Something different instead of just having the art acts on there. It's the actual producers bringing their bringing their artists And it's called the Untouchables. It just came out on distro kid Spotify, amazon all of that two days ago Now my album my album is I'm getting ready to do my album I got two gospel songs. I'm about to put on there. So I gotta let you guys hear those And um, I got I got my songs are also on Spotify all platforms at distro vid distro kid. All right, man, you know I learned a lot from you as well when you first came. I did not I wasn't as deeply Indulged into the whole Jerry hella Nwa you made me and since then I've interviewed doc. I've been a dude viewed Uh, uh hutch with 187. I've interviewed ladies every mafia. Yeah, I interview all these guys So all these stories, you know, they they come back together I told them all these stories of all these different situations Everybody telling inside it would come like a whole like putting a puzzle together And I tell you I need to see how more that was another one. I need to do my documentary I'm trying to get trying to get some people together so we can put the documentary together We can get like either movie together or stuff because these need to be told I mean it's history, but it needs to be told because we need to tell us for the future We need to also tell it for these youngsters that's out there That's wanting to do what we do and understand that, you know, I'm saying like their shoulders You know, I love that they did, you know, the 50th anniversary of hip-hop I mean, oh and speaking of that DRS needs to be a part of 50th anniversary of hip-hop because we're the first group that came out Sing it. Yeah, you know looking like we we about to rap when we sing it Man, sure did. We're the first. Okay. Anybody can tell. Oh, you know, I know they got some other groups But we're the first one that took it nationwide and took it worldwide Man, yeah, we need to be even though, you know, my we we need to be acknowledged. I don't care what nobody say No, you guys you guys were the ones when you when you saw when y'all sung that song This is for the homies. This is for my home is like like y'all y'all was look This was a healing time to to you talk about we talked about mental illness to show before this one That song like I told her when I introduced you to her that song was about mental illness That was a healing before that was healing man. And that's the reason why I hooked up with the Uborra Institute I am doing a concert February 19th at the atrium in Atlanta and too bad y'all can't be down there In Atlanta 19 19th of February. It's a Sunday. I'm being asked Well, man shout out to Omar Johnson. He just hit me up to on something like Dr. Umar like like I'm being real with you, man Everybody every word is moving everywhere. I'm trying to figure out where to go Well, let me look, how do I show you how do I show you the camera? It's right here. You got to know right here All right, look if y'all can make it out to Atlanta I will be there on the 19th with lj echoes jeter jones tasha mac osi soul Nigel Perkins myself Lamar do sloobin doing gangsta lean doing my new songs doing all that I got a song by johnny taylor that we do and I believe by johnny taylor So if you come out there, it's not just for us, but it's for it's called Uborra Institute it's about mental health in our community with our youth and with our adults and with our women The reason why I really want to work on the mental health is because even with all the killing going on now With all this stuff it really has Basically it ties in with mental health because if you don't feel that another person deserves to live If you feel like you can kill somebody and and have no repercussions if you feel like it's okay to to uh To take somebody's generations away because that's what we do when we kill somebody You don't understand what you do to that child or the family member the mother the father the brothers the sisters It just doesn't affect you and that person that you killed it affects a whole community a whole village And we got to learn mentally that we got to work we we all want people really Yeah, I mean I understand I always say When you see a brother that you don't get along with I tell people don't trip because you made from the same tribe That's real because we come from different tribes really from africa We can't everybody came off the boat wasn't from the same village Wow, I mean, you know you when you talk about it I believe you told me you was almost signed to uh easy or was it easy? Um just uh you and the people that you met coming up There was so many different stories you told because we did almost two hours You don't know if you realize that we had a good time when we first met and I just kept thinking when I went back and When I finally was able to recoup because it took me a while to get your information back I lost everything 12 terabytes and I was able to get yours back and a few other ones And that's why it took so but when it came out when I was able to gather man It did a good job, bro. I put it together man. It was going crazy man 17,000 I was like what then he started calling me and then people were like that's what everybody keep telling me like man Your show made this happen and that's the reason why when you say we don't come back I said, well, I'm gonna come and just I so I just gotta tell you guys that they the real deal You gotta come on You know I'm saying I you know when they call you come talk to them because they real one thing I love about you guys are real I'm getting that mic a little closer. Yes a second here. She's like I got you need gotta get closer Oh, you're kicking it. That sounds good too. I'm battleing now. I'm saying a little bit of that There's a hop for the homies for me. Go ahead. This song's dedicated to my homies and that gangster I lean Why'd you have to go so soon? I'm gonna give it to you It seems like it seemed like yesterday We were hanging Now I'm gonna keep your memory alive Like a homie Man, that's Lamar Lubin right there, man. I just wanted to give y'all a little bit Let me tell you and because of that I got drs back together Well, not the guy, you know one of the locked up last time you was with me No, two of them are locked up But I got nothing I got the guys that came after the originals Okay, I got we actually start our first we're gonna do a little mini tour We actually start our first again as drs in meridian, mississippi. That's beautiful. April 22nd. That's hard, man April 20. It's cut clothes She's sitting in the back Cut clothes us Sons of funk or if you remember sons of funk with masterpiece And uh, who else a couple of artists from there really you When you talk about mc hammer, you know people used to try to play him as if he was Like just a because this guy different when I started to research him since I met you and when you told me those stories I thought he was just a regular dancer dude in some big pants But this dude is a not only an entrepreneur. This dude was somewhat, uh gangster I'll be real with you. I'll be real. I tell people I said, you know, I said, you know We thought we was going with the non gangster. We ended up going with a king kind of game It was like a waiter made it Hammer anything because you know you would when you first, you know think about it He had the pain I'm telling you and you think oh, he's just goofy and stuff when I got to meet him I was like, oh no hammer street. He's straight. I was like, okay, you know the high street boys That's like who he really is street. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy, man And what's sad is that you know, it's really sad Think about this all the rappers that talked about hammer for getting deals and getting all these endorsements Do you know they all got endorsements? That's how they make money. They make them any of selling no records No, I mean think about you get them streams the one set in a piece and stuff like that No, they make we make money off endorsements all the people actually endorsing us. They close Cologne liquor Think about all that these rappers that's making money the most often having their own liquor Putting their name on liquor and getting proceeds from that Let me ask you this when death row came because it came after nwa When shoot night came on the scene it seemed like everywhere people when he wanted to come in a room I was in a room when he came in once in a casino everybody started whispering. I'm not playing They started I believe that because I'm being real with you so so if i'm saying like How was that shoot? Was it as terrifying as people made it to be? Well, you know what you know, if I have Well, you know what the thing is is that shig had You know, we to be honest with you. I don't know if it was true or not, but shig had this kind of Um People book told me and then, you know, and I hope I don't get in trouble without care But shig was under harry l and so everyone knew harry l was like the business so you didn't mess with harry l So if you didn't mess with harry l you didn't want to mess with shig. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And then Was harry l here? No harry was locked in prison, but he still was oh man Harry l he out. He's still calling shots. What do you mean? Harry l he's still calling shots. You know what? Um, somebody told me it was uh Cotton pickle. What's his name? You remember himself cotton pickle? um The one always in a view. Yeah, I can't remember. He he him and larry he's he's harry l he deals with him Yeah, harry's out now. He out. I mean, I know what he's told me because you know, I think he's under you know, he Yeah, but I heard that. I'm serious But you know, he I wouldn't he I heard he doing business or he you know, he got his stuff together He's doing his thing and you know, I salute him because why was you and shig hanging out head though? Because what happened is is why remember hammer went to death row? Sure did so what happened is before he went to death row I was supposed to go to death row and so what happened is is that you know, she heard some stuff about me I was like, hey, I like your voice. I'm gonna put you on some backgrounds and and so I used to stay Everybody stayed in freema. I stayed in la had a girlfriend to stay in la in england So I like to be in england all the time. So I always fly down and go, you know Hang out with all the that's the reason why I'm one of the ones that knows a lot of people in industry Because I came to la and I lived in la and I just fly back Yeah, yeah to oakland to freema and work with him But but when I did that when I came to la Shit would be around and and I would be like, he'd be like, hey We got this party. You won't go here. You won't go there and I was like, yeah, you know, you wide eyed Like, yeah, of course I go with should but then I realized that Being around shouldn't might not have been so and then I got a little I'm gonna talk I ain't gonna talk about it now, but I'm gonna talk about it in my documentary or whatever But me and sugar had a little falling out a little just in the little falling out And because I had the falling out with sugar I realized that because she respect didn't do anything to me. I got a little rep in la because everyone thought that I was I seen him at the american musical before you got arrested and Everyone just and what was so sad was that the people that were walking with me all dispersed When I was really I told you they ain't weird They dispersed when they saw because they knew she was not really happy with me at the time And I grabbed him and we just shook and he said, hey man, we gotta give And after that, so y'all did was able to come together in the way You came to me and said, you know, I mean, there's a deeper story. Of course And you won't tell that in documentary but but what y'all see at least it didn't come But I had you know, I had some protection at the time. So, you know, it's a deep story So I mean my thing is that but he was cool and what got me was I realized I said these folks that I was hanging around didn't ever have didn't have my back Didn't have my back at all. I said, I couldn't believe that I walked up and they all they all just dispersed Like, you know, because I guess they thought, oh, dude's about to get shot dead Something something like that. But but um, but I've seen that with shook. I've seen where he's I'm gonna give a story and I don't care if he get mad if you tell we were at Prince used to have a club. Okay and People gunfire started going off and the crypts was on one side bloods is all running around And what happened is I shoot was outside the limo shoot Just bam, bam And I remember I opened the door and I always remember I said, look at this 20 million dollar idiots shooting at people About to get killed because at the time that was back in the 90s He was like we're 20 30 million dollars and to us that was could have been a billion to us You know back then but I just was tripping. I was thinking look at this dude He worked all this money and he up there, you know, I'm saying he's doing the street stuff And you know, you know, and here all these other people supposed to be gangsters And all the gangsters is hiding in the cars and running around and shit out there just I hear stories man I hear stories one one story I heard just recently on my show that shook was going to do a he lost 700 thousand dollars Trying to do a death row east coast and then I heard he lost 400,000 trying to do a death row Atlanta Like in the south and and it's like The question came on show like how would he lose that much money? It was like that's not that wasn't a lot of money when you the type of guy he was in the morning Oh, yeah, would you have him having 20 30 million with the company at the time? And you gotta think about he had the biggest rappers of all time on his on this on this, you know Which project did you like the most that he dealt with? Because you had snoop you had You know Yeah, I mean, I was with digital underground, you know, I knew digital So, you know money be Tell Ronnie. I said Ronnie. I said well, it's up. Tell them deuce was Oh, are you seeing deuce? Yeah, actually Ronnie used to be my manager. Really? Yeah. Yeah, money be was my manager for a while We did a song called Um, remember uh, when masterpiece did, um, no, no, no. Yeah, me and money did a song like that Y'all don't just do y'all. Oh, no. No, we was actually we did it before he did But uh, I was kind of drunk on the song And I said oh, I'm hella high So I said ooh, I'm hella high So how do you so you met masterpiece and all them before? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know silk So what could you tell me about silk? Um, just that they I mean because I work my cousin is actually Rico From you've heard of sons of funk No, they're from masterpiece. Okay. So my it's my cousin and so we actually he's on we're we're he's part of the tour that I'm doing Um, it's it's called masterpiece meets with mc hammer. It's it's a trs It's sons of funk. It is, um, uh, uh bleed mc bleed, uh, natasha and, uh, Moby moby moby moby, um I can't think moby whatever moby moby dick or something like that. It's called But we're all doing a tour trying to do a tour together and um, so yeah, so, you know, um, studio tones related So a lot of people don't know that. So what kind of person is silk? I mean, I didn't know I didn't know I just know his persona when he because you gotta realize that we all have personas when we get around each other But when you get back home, you're terribly I ain't gonna lie with different people You know a lot of like I was just telling somebody just the other day when I was on the road Would like when I did the silk tour and I was it was silk. I was it just found a little I put it on facebook the little placard of drs. It was silk. It was h-town. I think, um, it was intro All of that, you know, it was a trip everybody who who like you could always tell those people That were that were brought up in church No joke when you're on the road, you could always tell those that were brought up in church I agree with dad I'm glad I could see that the reason why is because you know like you had those dudes that would just do anything But then you always had the church boys that grew up in church You might they might be gangsta now They might be doing this and that but at the end of the night They might be in the same room chilling and talking about the old school You know harmonizing singing some gospel songs and stuff like that You know I'm saying not necessarily being in the room smoking or you know doing all that stuff But there was always for some reason there was always that you could tell because it was always a line That I call it the church boys always aligned the church boys would be like, okay I'm gonna do this much but I'm not gonna cross this right here You get what I'm saying? Mm-hmm And it's just something about and I think that I mean some people will get mad and say oh the more why you're saying that But I just think it's the way I love when I heard you guys talking about god early and about About your relationship with god because even though I do all kind of stuff under the sun I mean no matter. I mean he's I'm being real with you. I mean he didn't say by grace. He's still god He's still sitting on the throne He's god and got alone and when you know you have that in your life No matter what happens. He protects you and I'll be honest with you I feel like I'm here because of god's protection because there were prayers put upon me That my grandmother my mother myself People around me pray for me because I look at some of the other members in my faith I mean my group and I say I could be there. That's all right. That's all right, but I'm here I'm here on boss So and I'm the only drs they can be on boss talk one on one I mean, maybe you might be able to go inside and do a but I'm the one that can come to you Thank you so much for being on boss talk one on one when you okay You think about you guys man, y'all, you know during that time you said something early when we first started You said that y'all was the first Like singing group that looked like y'all might have been rappers to be honest with y'all was singing good music What was the second group that came out after y'all? Because I know you would know because y'all was young and y'all like, oh, yeah, they do me like us Well, there was a group that was before it's called uh Highland Place mobsters. Okay. Highland Place mobsters was one I'm trying to think I came really honestly singing Um, oh, of course it was my homies. Of course it was bone thugs and harmony But a lot of people don't know that we actually was in the same camp at one time They was where was that? Well, they were easy and we were easy and it was up to easy to decide I mean, I was under the impression easy didn't want us, but I found out later on that he did But we thought he didn't want us because see back in the day we used to do these things called demo deals So you had three months and then after the three months There was a cooling off day like one day and they would get one day to decide whether to pick you up or not Well, we thought easy didn't call us because hallway in our group told us oh, he didn't call And we went to hammer That's why we went to hammer because if not I wouldn't want easy Easy was the one who I wanted to go with I want to ask you about like like when easy e And shook them got into it and dr. Dre used the rhyme when all that stuff was going on like I didn't pick no sides I know you didn't pick no sides, but you had to see it you had to live it You had was it really being here you were living in california at the time Was it really like a beef that was just on wax or was it something where when you seen different things moving in the city Anything could go bad Well, it got to the point where it it wasn't really them, but it was the people around them There you go It became like it became like a real stuff on the streets You know i'm saying that people chose sides and when people start chosen sides You gotta realize that that's when violence started happening and then now when when uh big got when when park was killed I was in california when he was in vegas. Okay, so I was in california at the time Now when big was killed. I was in japan performing Okay, and they I remember the japanese people said oh your friend your friend got killed Your friend the biggie got killed and I was like, what are you talking about? I mean it was just news all over the world that biggie was killed and you have to realize that at that point That's when you get these youngsters these kids that chose sides That was like and honestly Only the people that know what really happened are the people that pulled the trigger and the people that were really a Part of it. We don't know everything else from us. It's just speculation but But what happens is is that um We and this is what with me goes on with media now nowadays because be honest with you I mean even though i'm sad about it It helps me out all these new deaths that are coming along all these rappers dying People are calling me saying hey, can you do gangsta? That's why I never forgotten We got people that you know from the southern soul that are gone and my my manager was like, hey Let's write a song about them You know because they're no longer here But now i'm starting to get calls when people say can't we'll pay you this much? Can you fly into you know this this dude tyree? You know he raised in sacramental. I was raised in sacramental He's from sacramental california and and the reason why I want to do and we were talking about the middle The illness thing is that I mean the cops are mentally ill That was what just happened because they didn't understand that they're killing their own kind They're killing their own generations Who's to know that I mean who's to know that he tyree might have married one of the cousin sisters You don't say anything like that who's to know You know families could have been united at one point We don't we have to value life and when you don't value life There's something mentally wrong with you and there's a lot of us That that don't value life and there's and it's because the way our upbringing We don't feel that we're worthy. I just met a brother who just got out of prison He's 38 and I met him I mean smart brother and tattoos all over his face But he said I don't singer and I write music and just before I came here He he um, he spent some stuff to me some poems to me and what got me was he said in one of the poems He was like, um, are you mad at me for for disliking the people that got privileged over me because He was just saying because he felt like he wasn't born out of love. He was born out of lust And I think that's deep when you think about it and I thought to myself I said That's basically what God's saying about we were born in iniquity wasn't it? That's what he was I go I go it took me all this time and we're like, oh my god He's talking about we were born in iniquity and saying and then we weren't yeah And so we weren't born out of love like we want you to be here We was born out of my daddy my mom or they was sexual. They want to have some sex And we don't and we don't and we don't and so what happens is We're brought up in a society with the media telling us that you know We got to live this brady bunch lifestyle and the brady bunch people didn't even live the same lifestyle It was actors and we trying to get to that life and it ain't real And we need those those people to come and talk to us to say hey check this out This is what's really going on. This is what this is what's real and that's why I'm working with ubera I'm going to be doing a couple of concerts for them trying to raise money for it because he's putting money back into the schools Putting money back into the youth of atlanta and california and new york and all over because we As black people i'ma tell y'all we don't believe we need mental health But we do we do need we need counselors. We need that i'm not saying we need the medication and all that But we need someone to talk to we need somebody to ask you this because because i'm in la right now Shout out to la man for shout out for kenyatta even having us here But I just want to ask you like being in la being that you are in a place where people trip over colors and They say things about you got to be in this you say you didn't pick a side that's cool But how did you maneuver around the gangs and the violence that was going on around you because it's like him It's like in war if you step on a landmine it could blow you up like how did you not Become that grip or that blood or that or that tree what they call it the tree What was it tree top fruit town? How did you not become a bumpton? Okay, well, I'm gonna be honest with you because I know some people gonna say oh, do you lie? Okay, so I kind of my brother was a crib. Okay, so I was affiliated with the crips I was I we had one brother in the group that was affiliated with blood Um, so so growing up. I didn't really hang with blood I wouldn't have to be a crips because my brother was a crib and that's how we grew up Your brother's a crib you hang with crips. You ever said your brother's a blood you hang with blood Did that push you into some situations with different game violence? Oh, yeah growing it I've been shot at I've been you know, I've gotten to game fights. I mean, you know what I'm saying I mean, boy, tell you that's why I want to go do my document. I've been into some things You know because of that, you know chased by a whole book man I mean, we had to leave our car we was in second riddle my brother my brother was known So we had all these people coming after us trying to you know, shoot at us and hit us and do all kind of things We had to run and leave the car and run out and just you know We I've been through those situations, but this is what this is why I tell people You know, some brothers be like, oh, I ain't never been in trouble with the law and I've been doing this I went to I went to college. I did that grad that did all that But what I say is it's only by the grace of god that we still here because I got I got friends that just happened to be in the car with someone that had a gun that was They had a body on it. They didn't let them jail for life. Wow. They didn't do nothing Think about it. We have people that actually my little brother my little brother's in jail He got 25 to life and I wasn't educated at the time I thought he meant well, we get him at least he only got 25 years But they put 25 to life, which means he actually got life Wow, let me ask you this man going back to hammer a little bit What's the most gangster thing that you ever seen hammer do when you say gangster? They don't have to be done something to somebody just something that was a move like a chess move bam What he did that In a But the thing is is that hammer he um, because he's very smart very business very business very smart But I mean there are times when I see them check people and I'm like, oh really? Okay. Okay. Yeah, you get checkmate. You get checkmate That's how it's talking about because people don't really see him in that light when you think about that's why I ask you that Because he's more like a like a beryl gordy sometimes You don't really like beryl gordy was a gangster too come and think about he's a pimp come on I ain't gonna be mad sherry. Don't be mad all his kids. They know me. Don't be mad. Your daddy was I mean thinking about he ruled he ruled with an iron fist. He ruled and if you didn't go by the rules And we came okay. Well, then you out You know what I'm saying? Well, you wanted those guys that wanted to meet because you were younger y'all was running around man Quincy Jones and all those guys that you want to like link with those guys or Because you knew they was in the business. You was a gray singer. You could do anything with anybody Who was the people that tried to be around? Well, I had a I had a grandmother named linda hopkins and some blues and jazz you guys look her up She has a star in a walk of fame in front of my studio So growing up with her I got to meet all those people. So you got to meet quincy. Yeah, so I didn't know you got to meet I was like because I'm just trying to picture with queen I was trying to figure out a way to For real I'm trying to figure out a way to link you to people that you wanted to be around And you was like, man, I want to link with this guy. I've been bled man. You know, you may have a lot of people I've been man. I've been blessed like right, you know, you know, like like, uh, I've been blessed to the point where I'd be like God, like what did I do to deserve this deserve this? You know I'm saying I mean even when even when times are bad like, you know what I'm saying Like you know, my mother sometimes be like you need to get paid for this and that and I said I know mom I said, but you have to understand that I'm blessed and she's like and I said because I do things that people wish they could do out here. I get paid to sing People would wish people would do people that some things I do people say I just do it for free And I'll be like, no, I gotta get paid. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta get something You know I'm saying and so I get to dress up I get to do all of this and that but So what my manager did was my manager actually would get in the website again for me And my my manager actually, um, he said I need you to start sending me pictures God, we talk so much of people that you've been around And I want to be able to put it on the website and show people that that's that's true You gotta have that you mixed and mingled with a lot. Yeah, I didn't and I I never Out about it like that. I don't do it sometimes. Sometimes I see people I don't take and my boy Shout out to voice rogers Great gospel singer Saying what mc hammer as well. He used to tell he always bug me deuce You should have took a picture with so and so because you know, and I'd be like, yeah Because I always think people do that when you die, you know, like they just want a pictures of that when you die They can put up there. I knew you but um, he was right He was like let people know the accomplishments the things that you've been around you You're a multi platinum singer and that sometimes I forget about I you know, because uh, I was talking to my cousin and She was like, yeah, I just did um D. D. Simon. I don't know if you know D. D. Simon. She just produced a show out in Yoshi's Yoshi's you've heard of Yoshi. Yoshi's famous nightclub in Oakland, California Some of the greatest layla hathaway earth when in fire tony tony tony Um, uh, who else was there? Oh, melba more was just there and I got to she got me on that stage to do some Teddy penegras and do gangsta lean and it was just amazing. What's your favorite teddy penegras song? Oh, man, I love everything. I love you. Do you know what I'm like? No, I'm gonna come in so many places See so many things But uh, yeah, yeah, that's the one right there. I don't have people like ladies greatest That one ladies greatest, but it's another one that say uh, it's another one that that And it don't hurt. No, man. That's a bad song. Oh, that's a bad song Oh And it don't hurt now, no not now, man, you know, you know, it used to be The 10 years go hard, man. Oh my god, you know, sometimes I'd be doing and I was like Hey, I wish I could have been in the studio with them cats Hey, listen to one with him and stephanie mills too. Oh, I now let me tell you I just did a thing called duets with a girl named Because she go, uh, oh man, she's we about to bring her out monique renais And we did a thing called duets and we we did um, yeah, and if I should lose your love Yeah, with any reason any reason at all Just let my record show I gave you all Love I know Me feel me I want to feel the fire Yeah Hey, if you could have been in that studio boy, you'd have been quiet. You would have been quiet. You wasn't about to do nothing Man, you could be watching. I'd be like Oh, I told my mom. So you sure that ain't my daddy kid Because you know, I mean it's just and it's just and you know, he was a drummer He was a drummer. I didn't know that he first started out and hero male in the blue joke No, it says the drummer and I think they said it was doing obsession And I guess he was trying to tell them the note they needed to do And they heard him saying You know, you know what's a trip like I was in the drums and it's trips me out that um, you know, stokely ever heard of Yeah, yeah, yeah, stokely was a lot of a lot of Shaka card Drummer it's a trip that a lot of drummers end up being like the lead singers really. Yeah, that's crazy Do you think that so this is some of the so let me see how I go. That's lj Uh Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna me and Quincy right here Yeah, that's old Quincy. My old Quincy. Joe man. What y'all doing together right there? Actually, they were giving him an award and we were singing for him And you know, and it was kind of a trip. Oh, they're gonna snoop dogs, mom Yeah, she passed away. Didn't she? Yeah Yeah, I did something for her as well And um, they go hope right there. That's when I wanted to come here. Hope flood Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, man, you see what I'm doing and then let me tell you what else I'm doing now Since you guys got me back on the map. I'm actually hosting comedy shows. I'm gonna say we got him back on the map We've heard that before everybody tell us. Yeah, I'm doing a comedy show April 8th out of the place called mamas and hundreds and beach Uh, I'm the host Really hosting it. I'm gonna do a little cup a little bit comedy, you know, I guess they call it games to comedy I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and um, because I'm an entertainer See, I realized that I'm not just a singer. I'm an actual entertainer And you don't you funny? I try to be I like that. Are you funny? No message But you know what I just say wait, what's what's real, you know, like I tell people, you know, like can I just tell one thing? Like I tell people and I know I'm gonna use this joke on that day So don't trip if you come out to the show Um, but I'd say, you know, mexican people with no offense because you know, I got that in me I said, you know, they really they con artists, you know, they're right, right? Mexican con artists because think about this because you know, I said mexican con artists because When you go to a black restaurant, what you get? You get chicken, fish, shrimp. You know what I'm saying? We got all these different varieties. I said, but guess what? They got us con because they they they have what tacos. They got burritos. They got, you know, empanadas, whatever But guess what? It's all the same stuff. So what's in a taco? You got a Shell You got meat. You got cheese. You got beans and you got sour cream, right? What's in a burrito? You got a wrapped up Instead of it being hard. It's the same thing. I know I got meat, beans, cheese and whatever Okay, so you say, oh, well, you know what? I think I want a toaster. What else? Just a flat one with beans, cheese And you paying different prices, but you're getting the same thing Same but you go to a black restaurant. You gotta you know, you gotta do stuff And then we run out of stuff because we don't know what the people want, but I ain't gonna lie. That's kind of smart And I tell people hey, let me ask you this. Was you a prince fan, man? Oh, man He played 27 instruments, man Man, let me be I'm a such a problem. He's gonna lie on such a prince fan. I have the curly You know my hair's kind of the curly. You had the curly you had it bring it down and play I actually remember I'm so old now I actually slept my mother allowed us to sleep outside these Our parents was in the car watching this. We slept when purple rain came out We asked you like the second or third person in line and we slept outside for two days Just to get a ticket to go see you trying to get in there Man, and when I got to you know my album we did do me which yeah, which actually I have to apologize Apologize in heaven to him for that But we did do me and we did like like do me baby. It was awful and When when we came out when we first came out we was in vegas doing the show and Prince was there. It was prince. It was also What's his name magic johnson was there and I seen prince and I got to meet prince like in person You know I was saying that I was trying to be cool because I was like, I'm against that can't be all So I was like amen. I said hey, I want to apologize to you and he said for what? And I said for doing your song and not doing it right and he said I ain't sure but I liked it He said at least she paid me for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy man. Like like like the thing is man You you've seen these phases of music come in man How do you like where hip-hop has us today? Like do you are you good with what you're seeing? Yeah, I gotta ask you that I'm trying to get out there again You're gonna make me lose fans because I really you know what I guess because I am getting older I kind of like the old traditional angle. I like the old. I don't like the mum rappers right now I mean some of them are good, but um, but I like that old. I don't go. I like that old beat I like that, you know, I like that old Hip-hop beat that you could actually dance to and do things I know everyone's trying to be you know creative and do different things that I applaud them But you know, I sometimes I you know, I think sometimes if it ain't broke, you know, I fix it You know when you guys came out with your music, it was more about When you when you sung this is for my home is when y'all was singing that this is for the home is well Well, I love that song, but y'all was trying to help me, you know heal Now these guys are stepping They with the drill me. I'm gonna do the I'm uh, yeah, they it's a dear. It's just did a whole Well, you know a lot of people a lot of people didn't like our album because some of it was corny I mean we did do stuff like We did do stuff. We did do stuff like, um, nigga with a badge, you know, we we had songs like that 44 ways about us going to prison while we went to prison stuff like that We did have that and I'll be honest with you now that I look back We were really ahead of our time if you look at the 44 ways, uh, nigga with a badge All those songs those songs really really should have been made today Because that's basically and this would just happen with tirade nickels. Yeah. Oh my god. If you listen to nigga with a badge Um, basically it's you just a nigga with a freeze my freeze free You know I'm saying and it basically talks about a brother that actually goes down and whoops on and basically beats up A brother thing is if you listen to the old album a lot of stuff is gonna resonate today And that's like 28 years ago So that's 28 years ago 28 years, man, and the stuff that's it's still going on today. We're still doing the same thing We're still that's a whole step in and and and I'm uh, you know, uh, you know, people getting killed that night shooting dice dying houston takeoff Was was was mart was martyre was killed Uh, it was an accident. They say uh details are coming out people are going up against each other You know, uh, how was it an accident? Because they're saying he wasn't the guy that was intended to be shot Okay, but he intended to kill somebody. Yeah, so there ain't no accident You kill you meant to kill somebody might not have been the intended target But you pulled it out to do some harm and you did and that's what you did you did harm Wow, you know and what's so sad is that I heard the brother wasn't even in the game No, he was just a bystander Yeah, and and that's what I'm saying about mental illness now with us. I mean you gotta think about it. I mean I mean Why don't we value ourselves anymore? We don't value ourselves What do you think about the way that they're coming out speaking on it? Like you got different people from from the south Speaking about it in different the og speaking out different people are saying things and then you got the youngsters going up against the Oh, it's look very just tasteful to me The way it's just playing out right about I'm being honest with the first thing I said what happened So oh lord, houston in the land are going to be battling each other That's the first thing and that's sad that we think like that now That's the first thing I thought oh man houston in Atlanta. They're gonna be battling They're gonna be fighting with each other and it's just sad in our culture that that's how we think You know I'm saying and and and you know and I mean I can't I mean I just feel like kind of the devil got in the middle of that because he was the he was the art Art of that group. He was the one that made the beats. He's the one that you know what I'm saying So it's like they cut off a artery or you know like a Lim that you actually need you right handed you need to talk with your right hand. They cut that right hand. I tell everybody Lamar, I tell people them people are speaking from a hurt place when when you see right now an argument's going on Or if you see like it was legend that quavo didn't want offset to come on stage with another night when they had a fight Mexican correct and and so I tell people and they relatives they Is come from a hurt place though. Oh, yeah, but if we don't we don't think we don't think sometimes This here is trauma. This is mental illness. This is that is finest It's on the stage right in the midst of us and we say we talk about it We need to do this and we needed that we're watching it displayed right in front of us in that situation And the thing is it's not and it's not just because they famous You got realized this is happening every day. It's happening in every family. All the families are going Somebody die and things start going transpiring after that people are speaking from a hurt place And we and this is what and this is and black people this is what I'm gonna tell you We cannot expect to catch up to no offense and white people can get mad at me We can't expect to catch up to white people Who've had wells four to six hundred years before we did we can't we can't we can't be like 50 years We got a whole room. We made it. No, we ain't we haven't even touched the surface until we get until things have Changed and we become the top tier and we get another 400 years. That's what we can say. Okay. Now we've made it But just because we make some of us making people making money Doing that does not mean that because you have to realize that it doesn't trick in our community It doesn't trickle down in our community. It stays here. We don't trickle down We don't have um, like I was saying like what I loved about even though I know he a little off But what I loved about the whole situation with Kanye was it opened people's minds up saying Well, Kanye is looking at it like, okay, let me go here. He couldn't get here He couldn't get there great because guess what it made us talk about What we don't hold our own it'd be different if he was another nationality like if he was jewish They have their own um Manufacturing companies they have their own rubber plants. They have their own Things we don't have that we have to go we have to give our money to them and we do that and to me Hopefully that's opening up the ears and minds of people saying well, maybe we should unify africa Maybe we should try to go over there and talk to them and say, hey, why don't we have our own Manufacturing companies. Why don't we do our own have our own distribution companies? Why don't we have our own? You know I'm saying so that if something like that ever happens again I don't have to go back to that other community. I can go to my own community You know what I'm saying? You guys do the fashion you understand definitely Oh man, you understand that that the swatches that come from korea and japan and in china They get them a lot cheaper than we do sometimes Because they have that connection. They got family. We need to get like that Man, thank you so much for more man. We love you brother. You always give me a good show I live when you come to dallas you come in on the show. Yeah, you well, you know Me and dallas don't get along sometime You know I did I did ask I did and this didn't happen at dallas that happened out here. I did ask Sir charles about what we had spoke about that time. He remembered it. Oh, you remember Peace out. Yeah, sir. Charles. If you're listening, I need to do a song. We need to do a song again Come on He a cool brother though But And I'm stepping into his territory. So I'm like, come on. It's almost a child He run that thing over there a lot. Oh, you do it. I'm saying come on. So child You see how many of them come on job together. I got a song called dance floor I need you to get on it with me. Man, that'll be hard too, man Man, the beats and the way that y'all can work together. He got a whole setup in this house You know, you see with somebody look you saw it on boss talk 101. Okay. Come on, sir Charles, let's do this. Man, you know, I think it's poke bear and bad news. They all running the same circle Man, check it, man. Hey, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We love you. Lamar Louvin, it's been a Lamar Deuce Louvin. Let me get it right, man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 one of bosses talk and we out man