 Next, we're going to have Mike Feinstein. He is a founding member of the California Green Party. He was the mayor of Santa Monica from 2000 to 2002. His testimony today is from his direct experience, from which he wrote his seminal book, 36 Weeks with European Greens. Okay. Thanks, Rachel. And can everyone hear me? Yeah. Seven Minutos, amor. Nada más. No, ahí saludas de México donde estoy. Listen, I'm just sharing a little anecdote here because when Rachel invited me, I said, like, all the experience I have in Europe, I'm in Europe a lot because I've been kind of the primary US Green Party representative to European Green Parties. And you just don't find all the paranoia and people flinching when somebody says the word communist. They're communist party. And I've been kind of trying to think of, well, partly why is that different? My first experience with it actually was here in the state of Oaxaca in 1979 when I was doing my first hippie backpacking trip. And my good friend Mike Hope and I had met a couple of guys from Denmark and we were traveling with them. And I grew up in an upper middle class, leave it to beaver suburb in Minneapolis. And this was the first time that I had heard people talking about different types of economic models and ways of organizing ourselves and shared economies and all sorts of stuff like that. And I hadn't really heard it before, but it was just a natural thing to come out from these Danes. So in all my times following up in Europe and in the cafes there and just in all the environment, people just treat it as another, the ones that I meet at least just treat it as another political tendency and it's not weird. So by the way, the Green Party in the Netherlands was actually a merger of the Communist Party, the Pacific Socialist Party, the Radical Party and the Evangelical People's Party. So just as an aside. So anyway, so why is it like that? A couple of things I think, one, it's a pedestrian culture. People aren't separated in cars. You're in public transit. You're in public plazas. You're used to being around other people and considering them as just part of your life and people of all classes instead of the separation that we have. That's one thing that kind of strikes me. And then number two, their electoral system. Most European countries have proportional representation systems so that all sorts of people get elected and all sorts of political tendencies get elected and just part of the dialogue in our country where we've got this top down duopoly, Democrats and Republicans control the dialogue. They really repress. I know it's a green. That's the case. They repress other political ideas and we're not really supposed to talk about those other ideas because they're spoilers to the system. So part of it I think is really how we're organized as people and the fact that we just don't have structures and habits and environments that promote inclusivity and diversity. And, you know, my insight is not much deeper than that other than get out to cafes and talk politics. I wish we had more of that in our culture. And the final thing is imagine of Rachel speaking of proportional representation and these kind of viewpoints. Imagine if we had proportional representation and Rachel and Medea were both in the Congress, for example, and talking about these sort of issues and on TV. I mean, oh my God. So there it is. And you know, thanks for having me, Rachel. I'm not one of the giants like these other people you had, but I wanted to share that. Thanks. Thank you very much. And Mike, too, maybe if we had proportional representation, you'd come back to the United States. As soon as this is warmer. Thank you. Thank you.