 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast. It has been a while. Yeah that it has Uh as always I am joined or almost always you're gonna be gone for a couple weeks coming up So if I do a podcast you're next week just a week. Yeah At the rate this podcast coming out you might not be gone for Again, this gives me a chance to plug our patreon.com slash nintendo prime for just five dollars per month You can get early access to this podcast the full audio version not segmented On sundays a day before we start releasing the video version What's also cool about it is if we ever get to a hundred dollars per month total on patreon That is the goal to ensure this podcast happens every single week because guess what it's been three weeks. It has so That's just the way I like I You guys, you know, if you're watching this on youtube, you'll know that I do daily video content or almost daily video content Sometimes multiple videos a day You also know that you might not know if you follow youtube But if you hear this on the website, I have a website or on news I got a facebook page now where i'm trying to get 24 images a day out. Wait, so yes Wow, that's news to me uh facebook.com slash nintendo prime of the 61 000 at the time of recording this hopefully 63 64 by the time you hear this i've been going pretty good over there, but uh So I i'm doing a lot. I'm kind of spread thin so in my order of priorities Finding time when i'm a father of three to be like hey, let's uh Let's make sure the podcast happens every thursday night when usually I have to work and do other stuff at the site every thursday night But if the but thing is if we get to that monetary goal It's not just like it's not like i'm saying I want money to like ensure this is going to happen But what it does is it convinces me that there's enough people that care to have this happen. Um, because I will admit uh what we've had some podcast episodes Even 5j noted uh that in the last podcast we had up. We had a couple parts of that that did pretty good um But that's not normal if you actually look at the history of our podcast We're usually getting 500 to 700 views which isn't terrible But when you compare that to other videos I make doing you know five 10 15 20 000 It's kind of like well, this is a lot a big time consuming thing Uh That doesn't seem like a majority of our audience cares about Now I care about this a lot because This channel is primarily like I'm especially on youtube. It's basically just me all the time So I like having like eric here at 5j, you know game over jesse when you can come or you know hmk or any other guests We get because it Leads to more conversations and more thoughts than just mine And there's people that disagree with me like I the last podcast when I was saying bad things about the metro 2 remake I was quick to get shot down on that one Hey, I'm not gonna let that And again if there was no other opinions there it would have never happened everybody would have happened in the comment section But it's kind of in section life moves on. Yeah, can we read those no one reads that except for me I'm really bad about reading comment section. I gotta stop doing it Uh, I end up wasting like an hour of my day just reading them responding to comments So I'm sure a lot of you guys appreciate but uh It also takes away from content creation Yeah, like I like having a community because like Here's the thing the number one reason I really love this podcast is I like creating a conversation Um, I my channel and the youtube that's on a prime thing. Yeah, we report news We do all the stuff we have editorials and opinions, but I'm all about the conversation Like it's not just what I feel I want to know what other people feel that they disagree with me That's fine. There's plenty of people that disagreed on a recent video. I did Uh about what our first topic is going to be which is the voice chat stuff Um, and there's a lot of people that said oh, I overreacted over that and we'll get into that here in this topic About my feelings on that your guys's feelings on that um But uh, it's nice hearing that you know the other side of the coin The people that don't think things are such a big deal as I do are the people that think that apparently I'm doing it For the hit the views for some reason That that I that apparently I can't be passionate unless it's for views It's weird to me. Um, but anyways As always I'm mr. Eric more with me and joined by 5j gaming yet again. So Quickly becoming a regular Hey, that's the plan. Yeah, no, no, we love having you. No, you have some you have different opinions than I do So I like avenue You're wrong and everything Okay, so let's just This is some fox news where we agree on everything all the time, but I'm Donald Trump. Yeah fake news You guys are fake news, right? No, so this first topic is something obviously I've talked passionately about on the channel. I just brought up the video I did about it. Um, the voice chat situation On nintendo switch Now the app has launched at the time we're recording this Uh, I don't have just have any of us do any of us own a copy of this platoon 2 right now. Yeah No, I don't have an early copy. So what tomorrow? Yeah tomorrow. Yeah, so So we recorded this on thursday. So we're recording this literally like hours before the game comes out So we personally have not gotten to test out the app at this point So this is just full disclosure in case things change between now and the time you hear this We're basing this on what we have seen and what we know now Not what has happened since now, you know, if there's patches and updates to it, you know by the time you hear this episode um Just for full clarity, but here's what we know Uh, you can download the app right now in ios or android. Uh, it's you can't really find it if you search for it So you kind of kind of find a link to it online That's probably going to change when the game launches here in a few hours because that's when nintendo is going to want it to be available in searches Uh, it it might have a homepage thing on like yeah store Maybe it'll it'll probably be front page for a little bit anyways, so i'm thinking uh, so they The app is needed to Have voice chat. That's the big thing with the app is that it is the only way to voice chat at least officially voice chat Uh with your friends on nintendo switch. Obviously, there's always been third party options You've always been able to use discord and skype and google voice and anything like you can always do that I can call eric up on the phone. Yeah through verizon and you know Whatever we're just talk through verizon to each other. It doesn't cost us anything. I'm limited to talk. Yeah, but uh That's obviously never been the ideal way to communicate with games because people have friends list as an example Uh, I'm like switch. You can see what games your friends are playing. I'm like that's stuff I can't really necessarily do very well on discord because discord can't track anything on switch right now um So like there's not an easy way to do it outside of nintendo so Right now you essentially only one game supports it. Uh, we assume there's going to be updates for future games potentially arms and Mario kart 8 deluxe could eventually get added to the service But right now it's just supporting splatoon 2 And it's like an app within an app if it makes sense So they have the nintendo switch online app is what it's called And then within that app after you connect your nintendo account It has like mini apps for each game and right now obviously Switching to is the only one see a splat net 2 and when splat net 2 so What's interesting about that is that this is just how splat net 2 works. It doesn't necessarily mean this is how it's going to work for every game So that's something to keep in mind great, right? Um another A question I have is is it going to be only nintendo? Games that are going to be able to use this app I assume you know come little indy studio that has a multiplayer racer, you know Be able to put the map in there. Yeah, I assume That and this is the weird thing about it. Like I assume that nintendo is going to let their like triple a third parties be able to use it Um, especially for games, you know if call of duty ever comes to the platform Like and obviously they're gonna want voice chat and nintendo is not going to be like no you can't do that Um money does talk so yeah, uh, you know in terms of letting indies and stuff do it I have no idea if that's like nintendo chargers for it or if they just let them do it for free using nintendo servers I have no clue because nintendo isn't telling us basically. We don't know a lot officially about the app Um and about how online functionality is going to work beyond how it works in splatoon 2 Uh, and that's really crazy I know some people will say it's a beta. It's beta. It's beta that that's fine. Uh, nintendo is not calling it a beta No, why would they um nintendo like everyone you can add that gets a beta because we're not paying for it yet Uh, and that I guess you can consider that Legit, but I mean then people are telling me. Yeah, but you're not really paying for voice chat You're also getting online servers. Well, guess what? We already have those now Uh, and you're also getting uh the game, you know, you're getting that that free nes game of blah blah blah And it's like, yeah, okay. So your argument then is that You are getting other free stuff. So it's not about the app. So then the app really isn't beta. This is what the app is um now This is getting ahead of ourselves because obviously I have some strong opinions on this um So essentially you access the the the splat net thing through here You're able to create a lobby in splatoon 2 that kind of shoots over once you create the lobby it shoots over to your phone Uh, where you can have your buddies come in and before you even start a match You can just sit in a lobby forever Um in game and just chat with your friends. You don't ever even need to start a game But once you start a game, uh, it'll split you off You know, if you're on different teams, it'll split you off To that games you can only chat with your teammates and then bring you back in um And this is all fine Like that that's I mean outside of the fact that I think all of us would prefer to have it natively on the console Whatever, that's fine that how the app handles that seems fine um What's interesting about that to me is that unlike other voice chat platforms where it's just hey Here's a voice channel and it just happens all the time. This seems to be intimately connected to what's happening in the game at the time So while you're when you have your phone open and while you're playing your game You must be sending data to nintendo on your account that hey, I'm now in this room with these other people And it sends it to your phone. I mean wow, it's That's a pretty active connection to the voice chat and and really it can do something cool with it so The red flags start popping up Uh with the voice chat part specifically because there's other things the app does Uh that we haven't touched on much like you can track your stats Your friends can look at your stats. They can look at replays of your like your best match from that day Um, like like like there's some like oh, that sounds fine Like that's what a companion app usually is like it gives you additional information about your gameplay sessions That you can't typically get through your console because for whatever reason Um, you know, maybe it's just because they don't want to over complicate the menu in spittoon 2 Uh by having all this extra tracking stuff, but hey on an app, you know right at your fingertips You can track it when you're not even at home Uh, that's fine. Like that companion app stuff is fine. I have no complaints about that like that It's 2017 like nintendo needs something like this the competition has it Yeah, I mean it's time to catch up. So that's that's fine I don't care about the companion app stuff because they did that right so far with spittoon 2 But the voice chat stuff And because this is the only way you can voice chat and because technically they will be charging for this next year If you'd have access to even do this Um, there's a lot of issues that are cropping up now that they better damn well fix before they start charging uh Put it this way I don't even know a better way to say this to properly voice chat in spittoon 2 The app must hijack your phone Mm-hmm You literally cannot do anything else on your phone But have that app open if you and on if you swipe your notification menu from like on my iPhone I swipe it from the top it kicks me out of voice chat if I Uh get a text message and tap on that notification to quickly reply to someone I'm kicked out of voice chat if my phone Goes into idle mode and turns off the screen it kicks you out of voice chat It's ridiculous. Uh now obviously some people said oh, it doesn't really kick you out And I think that's because the other players still see that you're in the lobby This almost makes it worse. So the other players still see that you are in the lobby Yeah, but they don't know that you can't hear them right Oh Yeah, it's awful. Um and that and I know someone said that that maybe they can hear you but you but That it's possible they can hear you but you can't hear them either way There's no communication there that informs anyone that that's happening. Yeah, it almost like it goes into standby mode Yeah, it's like a bog or something. I don't know. It's like someone didn't think I think it's just what they've designed it on I think it's the I can't remember what I read the one article And uh, I can't remember what it was built on but I think it has to something to do with The way it was built. Yeah, then it it's not really a bug. It's just The platform it was built with Which that's dumb right. Yeah, it's called bad design. Oh, that's what makes you actually scared that they can't fix this stuff Maybe because I saw some people say that like iOS has Like this thing with iOS where they don't allow multiple apps and you see this like on my iPhone when I whenever I switch between apps They usually go into this like idle sleep mode thing where they're not really running They're just kind of loaded in the ram and they just sit there Um and computers do this all the time like this is how PCs handle a lot of things They pause a lot of apps when you have them minimized but it There are apps that work that work around this like discord you could still chat with people while you're using other apps You know skype you could still do that The only thing that really gets interrupted is like a voice call or not a voice call. Sorry, uh A video call obviously views another app the video call doesn't really work And even then if you use the local thing on an iOS device their face time If you're in a video call and you go to another app, you're still chatting. They just can't see you anymore So like it doesn't stop you from chatting with someone Uh, and that's what's so weird about in 2017 But by the way, android doesn't have any restrictions for multitasking For different apps. So it's not even issue with androids. I was specifically and I did to release an app in 2017 That is has voice chat as a primary function But Can not work on your phone unless it is the only thing running and on your screen at all times draining your battery There was a 15 minute video done by game explain and one of the guys in there had their battery drained 45 percent in 15 minutes What 45 max and and and he said in the video it is the only app he has running Oh, yeah, and you also can't have power save mode on either. Oh, you can't have that on either. Oh my god See, yeah, at least that I'm fairly certain on that one Yeah, and to make matters worse and this is where some people have been continuing with me under the video I made about it is On the support site it says that that the app cannot stream audio from the switch That basically means that that little splatoon 2 headset we saw before with the dongle Is basically how they expect you to get game audio and voice Through the same headset. Yeah, um And yes, I know those workarounds for it. Yes I know some people just like putting an earbud in one ear or having those headsets that have one thing on one ear And then you listen to the game audio from the tv and that's fine I'm glad that that works I'm glad that is an option for people who like it that way But I'm not one of those people Yeah, basically it's just like a splitter and I think then if logic Holds up here. I think then this means you could also just be using discord and then get your game audio through that same splitter And it will work the same way as the nintendo app does but better because it's discord Yeah, it's just it's a really strange. Um And the thing is is I don't See you want to play your game that way. That's fine But like I've been pc gaming a long time getting my game audio and my voice chat through the same headset on my pc And I now I do an xbox one in PlayStation 4 because they the thing is those systems might default like xbox one comes with Just a one ear headset Like my default But the thing is is that's just an option. You could still do it the way that I want to do it Uh, and I know some people say well, you know Why complain about it because you could do this on every other gaming platform by nintendo And those other gaming platforms charge for it And our nintendo is going to charge for it. Yes, they're charging significantly less But they're not necessarily providing as much value anyways Um, and they don't have the track record to back it up so I know I've talked a lot so far What do you guys think about what the heck nintendo is doing with this app and this online infrastructure just right now I was platoon 2 Go ahead 5j. I'm trying to see if I can find the one article 5j, did you die? I think it's audio cut out again He's checking settings or something So I guess we'll just keep that conversation rolling. Yeah. Um, so I I know I texted you the one the one thing um That uh, hopefully we're not it's a message to me on discord. Oh nice But I can't see from you. Yeah, right. Oh, this is fun So I hope I'm not talking over but uh, I know I text message you that Oh, you know you hit nintendo you hit a home run with the with the switch And then you come out and you completely flop on this If I'm going let's check them Yeah Oh, there we go. Yeah I was just coming to check you have fun editing this by the way, man This section is going to be all this though. I can still hear the whole time. So I didn't talk Okay, it's it's okay. All right So 5j, what do you think about the online app situation? Yeah, uh, what I was saying earlier when we were having those audio problems is um It's still it rings of the sort of what's been happening of the whole lifetime of the switch so far It just feels Like they are rushing rushing rushing to put this thing out and and things just aren't complete yet And uh, it's not up to snuff yet. But at the same time, uh, you know, there's so much good content out there that it's It's not really a deterrent yet But it is frustrating to get bad news after bad news after bad news and The app like you said, yeah cool companion app. Maybe I mean, I haven't used it as a companion app yet because I don't have any game yet Right with it So in theory, it sounds like a good companion app Well, we'll see and then the voice chat obviously everyone's, you know, talk that to death. It's a bad physical hookup and it's a bad software Experience So it's it's not great. I'm glad they're doing it But I really hope that it's upgradeable and this is version point one and one day We'll get version 1.0 that we should have got now. Yeah, it's uh See a lot of the complaints I have It's not that I don't I don't necessarily think it's unfixable Uh, but it's the fact that they've launched it in this state in the first place that I kind of take an issue with Because as much as people want to tell me it's a beta and I'm sure nintendo internally views it as a bit of a beta since it's for free Before their paid service launches and they say it is limited functionality Whatever that's supposed to mean because they still aren't telling us what that functionality is supposed to be I assume it's things like being able to message your friends That's a feature that's missing right now. Yeah Being able to voice chat one-on-one outside of games being able to voice chat with people who are in other games So you guys go like I could play breath of the wild And you could play fast racing rmx and we could still talk to each other. That would be cool I have expected to be the the meverse replacement sort of a nintendo social network Maybe I don't I think nintendo's given up on that. Um Maybe but they put in a weird um image posting thing in in swatoon too. Yeah, and I think that's just because they like that art Yeah, I think they just like that art thing. I think they think that fits with swatoon a lot, which it does. Yeah I see I really that's the thing. I loved meverse. It was like I I wish they would have carried that over So unique. Um, there's nothing like it. Yeah, I mean, I don't nintendo is trying to remember his facebook and twitter and stuff more But um, they didn't they still could have had meverse But yeah, I I think nintendo can fix all this stuff But then again, I don't know like eric was just bringing up it might just be How the specific thing was programmed and it's like well if that's the case They almost need to recreate the whole app to fix some of these problems and nintendo might not even view it as a problem Yeah, right. I don't remember where exactly I read that but Yeah, see the question is does nintendo actually view these things as issues Do they view the fact that people don't want to run chords all the way across their living room to get audio from their switch as a problem? I mean, do they think that that's even an issue? Right because as people say Oh, well, I could just put a single earbud in with a mic and and just get my audio like I do on other platforms But ignore the large consumer base that likes to have all their audio coming through high quality headsets There's people who only play their games with headphones Great um another thing I got One of the article one article pulled up. Where's this from? Kentucky, okay, um and uh One of the other fun things apparently, uh Volume is not controlled through the app. How do you control the volume your phone? the volume on the mic the Uh, we'll love to see more controller voice Voice volume within the app Then a single mute button all volume functions are handled by the phone or the headset the player is using But worked well enough until they started playing Because then so monkeying with So you can't mute individual people is what it sounds like. Yeah, you can only just mute them all. Yeah You mute them all or terrible Yeah, this is sounding like these are coming from people that are that are using it. So right, you know I've seen this app in action in several videos now it You can't mute individual people. I don't mind necessarily controlling the volume of like The overall like the the master volume. That's fine The volume of individual people I would like to control because anyone knows the voice chat Sometimes you need to raise and lower people because it's going to depend how far away are they from their microphone? What kind of mic are they using? Uh, these are these are factors that I can't control how what other people are doing But I would like to control their volume on my end So I can get a better experience and actually hear what they're saying We'll have one person not drown out other people as right, but the only the one problem I see what that is is It you're gonna have to start if you don't like the volume during the game Either you're gonna have to start monkeying with either your headset or you're gonna have to press your volume buttons on your phone That's a pain in the ass too Well, yeah, I don't necessarily view that as the fact that can't adjust the individual people on mute So that bothers me. Yeah that really and I understand like oh right now you can only really lobby with your friends So I guess you know, they're they're not concerned. Oh, you would want to mute someone individually Well, you might because what is someone's in there? And they don't realize like me that my kids are screaming in the background or they do realize it But I forget to mute my microphone. Yeah, so everyone else is dealing with that And they don't want to kick me from the group because they still want to communicate with me But they just don't want to hear my screaming kids or you have that one friend who's sold here in hell And you just want to mute. Yeah, just for a moment. Just for a moment So then you could pop back a little bit by the way, I have no idea what you said last time Yeah, just turn on you quick Yeah, I mean I understand some of the functionality doesn't so exist in other consoles Like it's a lot harder to adjust individual levels on people But if you're managing it through an app, it makes sense to do that It feels like a natural functionality. The fact you can't mute individual people that really sucks Even though right now it's just with your friends They don't have like, you know, like you're not getting with random people and Mario Kart 8 and then everyone's talking to each other They don't have that kind of support right now, which some people could argue. That's a missing feature Not having individual game lobbies for everyone And I know some people argue it's to protect the children. I'm like, isn't that what the parental app is for? Right, exactly. They already have a solution. And by the way, you can't even use this app unless you're 13 and older So we're talking about teenagers and adults Right and maybe well, I'm just saying legally if kids if kids under 13 are using it just like kids under 13 Using facebook. Well, guess what? That's the that's the fault of the parents They're the ones that legally in trouble when that kid does something they're not supposed to do Right the kid that I mean yay kid. You're not legally responsible for anything before you're 13 on facebook congrats Right But it doesn't mean you should be posting porn because then your parents get arrested But yeah, it's It's just a mess a big big mess that I don't like the only nice thing I'll say about this app is How it handles feedback is pretty cool There's a section in there when you go to settings that has a feedback option and through the app you can actually leave feedback to Nintendo about the app And that's Like there's people I've seen I've had like a half dozen petitions under me. Hey, can you share this petition? Can you talk with this petition? I'm like Why are we petitioning when Nintendo is already publicly stated several times? They don't give a crap about petitions and they have a system that directly gives them feedback That they probably have a team of people reading You should use that direct feedback option So if you guys don't like what they're doing leave constructive feedback by the way don't go into that feedback area start swearing at them They're gonna ignore you They're gonna they're gonna automatically throw those ones away as soon as they see a swear word. They're done They're listening to you they want they want actual constructive feedback So don't just be like hey this app sucks like that doesn't help them be like hey We feel like the app is missing these features We would like these features because That's the way to do it And I know some people who have done it and I highly suggest our audience if you don't like the way the app is working right now Go to that feedback thing and suggest because here's the thing They still have five or so months to try to get it cleaned up before 2018 Or even longer because they just did the launching in 2018. We don't know I mean we would love for it to be January 1st, but it's not They're gonna keep pushing it back if there's problems Um, so we need to give them this feedback right now because if you want to argue This is a beta program then fine. Let's treat it like a beta program and tell the agenda what we want Um, yeah, were you guys club nintendo members? I was yeah I think you were at one point. They had you know, it was basically a giant survey program to earn your points Answer these questions and give us the feedback we want. Yeah, so they took that away and this sounds like Sort of the replacement for that. Hey, we need a new approach to this Why don't we make it easier as simple or we're not asking them pointed questions? Just whatever you want to tell us. It's really easy to tell us just put it right here. Yeah, it's That's the one thing I really like Now obviously we have to see something come of it. Um That that's kind of the one thing like yeah, it's nice to have it But if nothing actually changes then you know if nothing changes between now and when they launch the paid version Besides adding features that are missing, you know, like direct messaging or whatever Then you got to start looking at okay. They're obviously not listening So it's like you just have that in there, but no one's checking the inbox. That's not cool And I I wish nintendo this is this is something I I really want them to take from Discord and there's other there's other Apps out there that do this They have a community where you can suggest a feature That the community then upvotes or downvotes and the stuff that gets the most upvotes is the stuff that That company looks at adding to their app. It's like a smash bros character vote Yeah, like the smash bros character vote except in this case, we're talking about base features for an app so it's like It's brilliant, but discord doesn't discord has added so much new functionality because of it And then and they're looking into adding more like actually discord working natively on nintendo switch Is actually one of their highest board of things right now and discord is actually talking to nintendo to try to make it happen That was nintendo going to let it happen I would assume no, but nintendo is also letting pc streaming happen. So I yeah, right i'm like Leave that though when it actually lanes. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean we'll see if that if that ever comes out But they've been approved. Anyways, we'll see right, it's What if you read that What also being highlighted about our segment is what nintendo mentions in its support. I think Voice chat is unable to run in the background while using your phone for other purposes. Yeah, I think I think it's because of the that Our Technia or whatever that but they're using Well, no, yeah, that's what we were talking about before you can't do anything else on your phone It literally hijacks your phone period And I brought up a scenario that someone that someone someone was making fun of before because I said So I have to choose whether to hop out on my voice chat to check a text message from my girlfriend about my children And You know and I brought up, you know, it could be a life or death situation And someone's like, well, it's a life or death situation. Of course, you just put the voice chat and deal with it I'm like that but you're missing my point I wouldn't know if it's a life or death situation because I have to choose to read the text message to find out What's going on or voice chat? I can't do both Right like it could be nothing. It could just be a quick. She's just sending me a winky face Means nothing. She's just being silly. She's just being playful She's just telling me a joke. I can respond to that later. I'm in the middle of a match But nope in the middle of the match I gotta go glance up because I because she's the mother of my kids I gotta go glance at it to see if it's serious or not Uh, and that's going to kick me out of the chat Which is dumb and I know like I brought this up before I really finished the point about how some people say Oh, you're still kind of connected people just can't hear each other or whatever What's weird about it is when I watch the videos on it and people Go into something else and then go back to the app You could see it reloading and re-initializing and reconnecting you to the to the chat Meaning that in some ways it has disconnected you just because it shows you still in the lobby Doesn't mean you didn't actually physically disconnect your chat connection Because it definitely it's not like you go back in and it instantly works again. No, it's re-initializing and reconnecting So it's I was already against this app Oh, yeah Um before when they even mentioned it I I prayed it was just an option that it would be available natively And in fact if this becomes available available natively on switch Then I guess I'm not gonna care how the phone part works because I'm just gonna use it on switch anyways And I pray to god I can use it in the background of a game Yeah No, you can't play a game. You can't play a game. You can voice chat or game can't do well. Yep, um But But I mean whatever that I hope happened someday a lot of people hope that but Nintendo is consistency No, what phone app phone app phone app phone app And they said, you know smart devices and and I think what's makes me upset about the phone app besides the fact that it's the only option is It feels so behind the times in 2017 if you're going to make it all phone app exclusive Then why don't you remember that this isn't a dedicated device to chat on? This is a smartphone It's literally built like I had so much. Oh who multitask is on their phone who doesn't Right who doesn't have text going web browser facebook all that stuff, you know force facebook Yeah, like just you know switching between all the time who isn't doing that I mean that that's like the hallmark of a smart device If it couldn't do that you would just have individual devices to do all that stuff so That's what I feel weird about why it hijacks your phone right now And my argument is even if this is a beta this is clearly not Like consumer friendly They should just not release it right now until they had it in a better place Even if even if they plan to fix this and they know they're gonna fix then don't release it now And I know the people well, what about voice chat and splatoon too and we didn't have voice chat and splatoon We can wait. I bet you anything though that has a big impact on why they're releasing it now And on the day of the release of splatoons. They had as much time as possible I suppose they released it like a week early. Yeah, but I don't But the thing is we didn't have voice we didn't have voice chat and splatoon So it's like people aren't gonna miss what they've never had If you just wait to release it till it's ready But they wouldn't be mad because they did pester and Nintendo so hard about it Yeah, but that's fine. And now you got it and you're still using discord. So what's it matter? Exactly Kinda Yeah, and and and you're still gonna use the score. So I they gave you an option I mean, I don't want it shitty. They could have launched the companion part right now Yeah, they can just say look, we're still working on voice chat. We'll get back to that later It'd be a nice data display Yeah Yeah, I just use it as that and the fact that while your voice chatting it uses that much battery And I understand we don't know what setting this brightness was that we don't know how old this phone was We don't know what model it was their battery issues, etc. But My experience is When you have an app that's transferring a lot of data like that Um, that's for space balls an example that transfers a lot of data back and forth from servers It trains your battery the more data you're transferring back and forth And because this is a multi chat thing it doesn't transfer data like a normal phone call does It transfers it's even got visual indicators and cues and pop-ups happening You know who's talking and floating heads and all this stuff So all this visual stuff going on plus all the data being moved around And that's going to drain your battery It's going to be like those apps that when they're super high active apps They drain your battery now like a facebook feed where it loads one thing at once and then you get to read that So you get to a certain point and then it loads again like facebook saves on data by just loading everything one time and then waiting Great, um until and to see if you want to load anything else This game can't preload like this because it's a live chat thing So it drains battery Which I guess is to be expected. I expected that it was going to be a battery drainer The a way to save on that is to be able to do lots in sleep mode I can have my screen off. I don't need the visual indicators going nuts So easy so simple every other voice app in the world does it? Well, no, and I I misspoke earlier It it reading the reading the article again. It's a power saving sleep mode So not not the whole power saving. Yeah, so it's It's not a good situation I I wish nintendo would have just waited until they had something better Because even if this is a beta and even if everything gets better, it's leaving a bad taste in people's mouths right now And usually you don't get a second chance to make a first impression with something And that's the sad thing is that the switch has so many great things It does It does. Oh man. So many people think I'm hating on the switch right through that love switch I've been missing on how many consoles now And uh, they had to screw it up again on a console that has a nice upward trajectory Will it start to make the console falter now? Could it be something that drags it down? I don't know. I mean ultimately I say no Because I think this is gonna be another topic later that this is the switch Someday is gonna be primarily viewed as a portable gaming device Uh, some people already primarily do is that but there's some yet there's some so many people though that leave it on the dock All they play is in dock mode Uh, but I think long haul it'll be viewed as mostly a portable device that you can easily dock if you want And it might even be sold eventually without the dock since they sell the dock separately already Um, just so they can come by you know, and you know, they sell it at 200 dollars. You know, no dock Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean that's that's gonna hit that's gonna be mass market and I think they do that in a future topic will get too soon, but uh It's when it hits to that point Yeah, voice chat's not gonna matter as much because How many people care about voice chatting on 3ds 3ds even has a mic and can technically voice chat But who doesn't who voice chat's on 3ds who cares about voice chatting on 3ds? I mean most people They care about voice chat are the kind of people that sit in front of their TV. Mm-hmm Like let's be honest. Oh, but portable. I'm like, but people don't really voice chat portable Because you're not playing online matches on your switch on the bus And you know another thing is uh, I don't have a lot of adult friends that play 3ds games Especially competitive online 3ds games. Yeah, we want to chat with each other You know the scenarios are so limited where you would even be in a case We would want to voice chat on a 3ds. That's just not the same for the switch We're talking about things like rocket league coming. Yeah, you want some voice chat? Yeah, you do. It's just I'm hoping I mean, I'm hopeful that nintendo gets it right, but I hate It just hurts me that said a first impression on something this big Is a bad taste in people's mouths It might not even matter if they get it right by the time they charge for it Because most of the switch audience at that point will have at least tried it out when it wasn't back When it wasn't right and they might not give it a second chance In fact, they might not even be willing to pay for online play It might even make look, I don't even want to play online anymore. That's so bad it put me off Yeah And I hate to think I mean, I've seen some people say that well, I'm just never gonna pay I'm just not gonna play online game switch And it's like that's not good. Um Anyways, well, I got one last thing. Sure. Um How about the people how about like actual iPhone users who have to have Even more chords and more donnels and more Stuff iPhone 70 to be specific. Yes, right. They might be fixing an iphone 8, but What when they took away the Which by the way, they're skipping 7s this year. They're going straight to eight because it's an anniversary. Oh, okay But yeah, how about those people? I feel bad for those people Yeah, I'm glad I skipped the seven. I'm hoping the eight has the headphone jet back. Yeah, um If it doesn't Then I would like to see them include the airpods in with it. Yeah, right if they include it in with it, then okay Uh, anyways, and I know you can use other bluetooth heads. That's what they're doing Right, right, right, but I mean people like people like throwing just those cheap I mean 90 of headphones out there aren't bluetooth and use the same audio jack side Right anyways, but yeah