 What made you want to go ahead and, and I don't know if you're an author, I don't know if you've released several books, but what made you want to take a step into, into this journey? No, this is my first like real book. I've definitely been writing a long time. Like I've done a blog, I've done like a kind of a mini book that I that I just kind of like tossed up on Amazon. But this is like the first real book kind of start to finish. And honestly, like the thing that I think kind of made it happen was just that I was like publicly committed to doing it and felt like I had a unique kind of opportunity from the very beginning. You know, this is a little bit of like, I don't even know if I jumped off a cliff so much as like fell and was like, I guess we're learning to fly. Here we go. I love that. How long have you been either ingesting someone of all thoughts or following him in that content? I mean, yeah, I've been following of all for 10 years, probably. I mean, when I was in Michigan, I had like, didn't know much about the Valley just kind of knew I wanted to get into the startup world and like had the entrepreneurship bug and the first like legit Valley real people that I met where like, dude, go read all of Paul Graham and go read all of the adventure hacks and following of all Cause he was just getting started with with some of the blogging and building Angel list at the time. I was like, okay. So he's kind of introduced to me as this like icon of the Valley and somebody's like a cultural setter and that was where I started. But it's been probably more than 10 years since then. So I've just been like following on Twitter and listen to talks and Trying to learn what I could from him. And so, you know, over those years, I've learned a lot and I've been recommending and following them. So I felt like I was in a pretty good, you know, I just I just had accumulated this Sort of base of knowledge and respect for all of the things, you know, I have a lot of overlapping interests, you know, he talks about sci-fi and futurism and education and crypto and You know, and wealth and happiness on a very principal level that has like built and invested in successful companies. And those are all just things I'm interested in learning more about. So it came together pretty naturally. I think of most people probably know Naval And this is kind of good and bad. This is really interesting because I think in Silicon Valley we get like super we got we have our heroes and they're kind of ours, right? The world doesn't know about them like they could be sitting courtside at an NBA game and nobody will know who they are. And that's actually why I love some of these individuals Because they're icons, but no one knows who they are and it's really nice or the majority of people. Naval was on the Joe Rogan podcast and I think that's that might have been a place where he got A lot of following as it but but then again, it's hard to find him, right? He has a podcast, but he's not he's not out there He's not like verified even on Instagram. He's not in a place where people are Did that make it hard to write the book that like how did you go about dissecting all of his information everywhere? Yeah, I mean that that's kind of what made me want to write the book Just because it's interesting like you and I at least are really deep in like the podcast world and the twitter world and those Like feel like huge places But they're really not like that mainstream in the scheme of things like most people don't listen to podcasts I think and like not everybody's on twitter Certainly at least not to the to the degree that they would automatically know who naval is and down that like tech twitter rabbit hole And I think you know some of these ideas Just over and over again would recommend them to friends or family members or whatever like well Here's what Naval had said about that or here's what I learned about this and People don't if they're not podcast people or they're not twitter people There's no access to those ideas and they're like they're kind of like yes or whatever And I'm like all right. I'm gonna take this stuff that's like shared in this kind of niche Format almost and like this ephemeral format, right because like Tweets just disappear after you know not very long and podcast discoverability is let's call it unsolved But everybody knows what to do with a book and books can like stay around forever And they're giftable and they're hand-offable and they're you know, they sit on a shelf until you Need them or they kind of meet you where they are and so it's just uh, you know It's such a timeless format and it's a more universal format And I just really wanted to you know Take these ideas that were so valuable to me and bring them into a little bit more of a Of something timeless. Hey everyone. 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