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I mean, they don't call me juggler for nothing really, which has always been my nickname, but life is good, I can't complain. I mean, I have my health now, I have my health back after being sick most of this year, surgery, what was then deemed as COVID, although I don't know about that, but certainly had some sort of infection, but no, I'm really, really grateful, and I think that I'm even more grateful in contrast to what so many other people are going through, yeah, because I've been there, it's, you know, and I think once you've seen the darkness, you really do appreciate them. So, and that's where I feel I'm at at this moment in time, life feels just much more clear, it's much more lucid, there's more clarity to it, and, you know, I'm with that appreciation. Yeah, clarity is a beautiful thing when you've got that, life seems easier. We've got so much to touch on, but I'll always go back to the start for my guests, because I watch a lot of your stuff and it's all about other people, but we'll touch on you today and get a bit of background kind of where you grew up and how it all began. OK. Well, I was born in Gloucestershire in the 1960s, the youngest child of, now this is where it gets more complicated, because I come from a complicated family, so my mum was potentially married three times, I say potentially because we don't know for certain if she was married to all of the three men that we thought were her husbands, and my father was potentially married three times as well, and they each had a family with those, and I was the last of both my mother and my father. And my father left the house when I was three, he bought me some, it was my first memory, he bought me some building blocks, it had letters on one side, numbers on another, and he said that he wouldn't be seeing me again, and that would be the last time, and that was really the only promise that he kept. And I never saw him again, and then when my daughter was born in 1997, well, actually he then traced me, or rather I traced him actually when I was in my 20s and it was really odd because my brother said, look, I think he might be in this area, have a look, and I remember ringing director inquiries and I said an area and they gave me three numbers and the first number I rang, I rang the number, and the man picked up the phone and I said hello, he's Donald trainer there and he said hello Sonia, I've been waiting for this moment. And that was just weird, that was literally, you know, from three years old to like being 24, and that was the first time I talked to him. We talked on and off for a year, we clashed terribly, I didn't want to see him, I was still very, very emotionally messed up and resentful and angry because my mum had died at 11, so I felt like I'd really kind of been left. I didn't see him again and I regretted it because when my daughter was born in 1997, I desperately then wanted grandparents for my daughter and she has a grandmother on her father's side, but that's her only grandparent. And I thought, well, she does have a grandfather, so let me find him and I finally managed to track him down, I think it was about the middle of October and I had missed him by 15 days, he died on October 1. Yeah, so that was a bit like, I was ready for him now and I wasn't ready for him before and there was a lot of issues attached to that, but we grow and we learn and we forgive and I realised that my mum and my dad were dealing with all manner of shit like I've been dealing with it throughout my life like we all have and I forgave him and I talked to him now, you know, I talked to him now. Very, and I come from that background, I grew up around a pseons table. My mum was a medium, it was, I was 18 when I first realised that not everybody believes in spirits, that was a shock to me, I've moved to London and I suppose it's like children who were raised in abusive households, they think that's what every household experience is. Well, I thought every household experience talking to spirits, that's what I thought until I was 18 and discovered actually, no, that's not what all my new London friends did. So that's how I grew up. I grew up around a pseons table, I thought it was perfectly natural. The year before mum died, her husband, my stepdad, who had died before mum had met my dad, he died of cancer and those are my main brothers and sisters, my two brothers and my sister who raised me when mum died. We have a different father but you'd never know it, we're as close as anything, love them to bits, always been there for me and vice versa. But mum was extremely spiritual, I am naturally so, I mean I hear, I see, I smell, I do all manners, I do different things to try and get in touch with that other world out there, whether that's tarot or whatever really, I meditate a lot. I always make sure I come back to the core of me, that's really important, but my work is absolutely guided by this something else that's around me, definitely. Do you feel protected then? 100%. Because the stuff you speak out about is some of the strongest and most powerful families not just in the UK but worldwide, so you've kind of got to have the confidence that you are protected or else the men in black suits will come. Yeah, well I literally work on the basis that, I mean I know it sounds mad and people say this as just something to say but I genuinely mean it and that is I would rather die in a hail of bullets than on my knees. I'm not a compliant character and so that to me is death already, if you can't express yourself, the stuff that I've seen I can't now unsee it. So to act as if these injustices, these things aren't happening, that's not living to me, that's not how I've been raised, I've been raised to see it, say it, you know. And also what my mum taught me and which is a really valuable lesson and that is the most important things we see, well the most important things are not what we see in here but what we don't. So it's the subtext of what people don't say to us, you know people will happily tell you a million things but often times the things that they're holding back or that are in between the lines, those are the important things. And the same thing with the sort of the spirituality around us, I'm sure this room is absolutely full right now, we just can't see it right. And that's how I operate my life and I feel completely protected on a constant basis, I always feel like somebody's with me. Yeah, but that's a good thing to feel that there's somebody there no matter if you're alone you feel as if someone's there. So from the ages of 11 when your mum passed, how was your life like then? Very, very difficult. I lived with my sister and her husband, my sister was only 18 and she was pregnant, she'd been in a care home. Very difficult background, a lot of poverty, we were an unusual family anyway, small village in Gloucestershire which was in many respects quite middle class and we weren't. We were the family where it was like an open youth club mum operated so I had two older brothers who were late teens, my sister was in her teens and there was seven year difference between me and my sister, 11 years between me and my brother and 13 years between me and my other brother. So our home was a youth club, it was the place where all the boys and girls came and you know teenagers who played cards and they smoked and they drank, it was that home right. It was lovely, it was brilliant and everybody loved it but it was the house that the police always arrived at in our small little village and everybody talked about it and everything. So that was my background, so my sister was pregnant at 18 when mum died and which hard already. She became my guardian so I was 11, she was 18, tough to become a guardian of an 11 year old 18. We did but I adore my sister and she adores me and we are like this, anybody mess with my sister because I'll take you down and that applies to all my family right. And vice versa but from 11 that was very very difficult and I just, a lot of it's a blur to me. I attempted suicide twice by the time I was 13 with pills I was found but I didn't want to die but I wanted everybody to know how fucking miserable I was and how hurt I was and how I didn't understand the world. And so I think there's a big difference between the way that men attempt suicide and the way often times that females attempt suicide and that's not to say that all females who take tablets is only a cry for help. Some do want to kill themselves but I studied psychology and the difference between when men attempt suicide they're not messing right, they're going to hang themselves or they're putting a bullet through their head or stuff like that and I wasn't up for that. I just wanted people to find me. I just wanted people to find me so it was very difficult massively so massively so I was failing in school. They said that I was well backwards they thought that my English was backwards regressive as they described it they wouldn't let me do literature but there was a subtext of this actually she's she's an orphan is anybody and nobody was considering any of this all this stuff you know that my life was a bit chaotic and hectic. My brothers were because the thing is my brothers and my sister they also lost their mum right so we were all floundering it was really really hard period. But I started to come together about 15 I moved in with my brother my eldest brother and his wife they started to really straight me out a lot I knew I was going to move to London anyway and 18 I said I want to move to London they said I couldn't move to London unless I went for a week. Found a place to live and found a home even though 18 I was perfectly legal to but they were protecting me and I came I found a job and a place to live in three days follow week I moved up to London didn't know anybody and that was it. That's how I was that's how I roll so how did you get into journalism. Well by accident as you do with these things I one of the reasons I wanted to come to London was I loved acting and I really wanted to act but actually the more I started to mix with people who were more professional more realize I was very good at it. But what I was good at was telling the truth and and telling it very loudly and so it was sort of a strange natural progression really I was you know into clubs I worked on the door at the empire in Leicester Square for a few years. I was clubbing then I saw an advert in the local newspaper I think it was the Kensington and Chelsea post or Hammersmith and Fallon but it was one of those local newspapers and they wanted editorial assistant. Well I had no experience whatsoever but I knew I liked to write but that wasn't what they wanted they wanted editorial assistant now so but these two brilliant brilliant men became my mentors really and that was Kim and the editor called Ray Fox come in they were absolutely brilliant they took me in they took me under their wing within six months I was running the arts page. I started off opening the mail making coffee but Ray was like she's a bright spark and so but there was the there was a national union of journalists chapter at our newspaper because it was 17 local newspapers in central and west London and they were furious that I was being given a job as writing which I understand why I say had to protect their members everybody else had been through the NUJ I hadn't I bumped out of college I didn't really have a lot of you know for anything really other than my character. And so I started running the entertainment pages because I love music. Well my you know I come from musical background I love music and stayed there about three years then I got headhunted to go to work for this new organization called my room music industry research organization which was a sort of subscription Bible that the music industry had every month and we created it and I was so I was headhunted to help set it up. I think I stayed there for about a year made great success of it and then I went to work for echoes which was a black music weekly because that was my love black music was very much my love and I became their hip hop editor and that was that was it really that was and from that and then when my daughter arrived in 1997 I stopped to be in a music journalist I'd been a music journalist for 10 to 12 years and but I carried on the same theme my writing has always been about the underdog about injustices a lot of other things. A lot of hip hop was about you know racism about injustices in society that really interested me that was what woke me up that was the period of life that woke me up I was you know interviewing people you know like Biggie Smalls and mob deep and Snoop Dogg and they were talking to me about you know the music illuminati and all this stuff and I was like. The journal nothing about all that stuff I had an idea of it because a friend of mine Darren I was used to tell me about it and that was the days before the internet now you just go on the internet but then people have to rock up at your door and they'd share something with you a piece of information do you know I mean and it's like. That looks really odd why does why is that person doing that symbol or sign or if that's how it used to be sex sex sex. Yeah it was in baggy smalls. Oh lovely Christopher was absolutely lovely I traveled with him he was absolutely adorable and he was a gentle giant I mean really a gentle giant he told me that on the last occasion that I met him we traveled in Holland and he said that I wouldn't see him again he says last time you can see me and six months later he was dead it was so weird and that interview. Which was reproduced by the Guardian. In which he talked about how he'd come up from the ghetto and he thought his life was going to be really good but he didn't realize that all this envy and hate would follow him people who wanted to bring him back down again you know crabs in a bucket you know they work. That was basically his existence really cool really cool dude though. Yes we are done that even to a pack when he sings his songs he knew he used to sing that he was going to die young as well they know as if you get a feeling that my time's up. Well I think to a certain degree but also the lifestyle that it's not even so much their lifestyle it's the people around them you know the sort of violence that was around them that permeated. Do you think the papers blow out all the proportion on the news when it was just a fight between an argument between biggest malls and to a pack do you think the papers expanded that even. 100% what the east coast west coast that was and it wasn't just the papers right. Shoog Knight was pushing that because he realized there was money to be made in that actually puffy less so. Who was obviously on the east coast with bad boy records and everything and it's quite interesting puffy is an example of somebody who was as that sort of that sort of elusive quality about him but when I interviewed him a few times as well. He now changes his name exactly Sean Sean comes on one of the first occasion I went to interview was weird I turned up at his office at bad boy records and he wasn't there but he'd given permission to his assistant for me to go into his office snoop around. Look through his desk and if I was like what this is really weird because he wanted me he studied my work which is why it allowed me to come he wanted me to get this richness of him. And it was just that it blew me away absolutely blew me away and after he'd let me snoop around his office without him they probably had me filmed of course. They then drove me down to his apartment and I remember walking in and his hand was all bandaged because he and he claimed that he'd he'd broken it on a glass but that wasn't the rumour at all. You know and I think at that time he was going through very very difficult times and I don't know what his mental state was like put it that way so. Thank you for your side though. I think it was possible that he wasn't quite the rock that he was it was hard on him he wasn't coming from the same background as Shugnait and he was pitted against Shugnait and what was going on. He's a proper dangerous man Shugnait. Yeah very yeah yeah. He's done a lot of mothers because when you hear Dr. Drainat talking when he used to go up to the office Shugnait had people tied up in cubbers and he's done a few mothers and because he took back they says that it was him who set up the two pack mother as well but then he says it was shot in the head as well. Again it's all bullshit as well. It's very difficult. It's such a weird one especially young kids coming from a bad neighbourhood. Well when you come from Crenshaw, South Central LA and it's really weird because EZE from NWA who I came to know very very well and obviously you died. How was EZE? Lovely. Adorable. Well not a kiss. Was that a not a kiss? Not what? Was that a not a kiss? Oh yeah well actually he was. They say Shugnait injected him with AIDS because the AIDS was so full blown. He never went through any stages he just had. He warned me about Shug. He warned me about Shug because when he was going through a court case right basically when they released F4ROS Zagin which obviously was a reverse of N-word for life I can't say the N-word I just can't. I don't have it in me. They wanted to get that banned in the UK and so NWA asked me to be their witness about the cultural relevance of that album and what it actually meant. And it's quite tricky when you're as a white woman coming from Gloucestershire and you've got this album about bitches and hoes and everything. But there is a context to it and I went to south-centrally, I went to Ice Cubes Home, I met his family and his mum was saying to me I don't know why my O'Shea swears so much. He's a genius, a lyrical genius. Brilliant. So he has Ice Cube fantastic. Brilliant, brilliant. So you can see that I've had quite a, I consider myself extremely blessed. How many people can say that they sat in Ice Cubes Home? Do you know what I'm saying and got to know his mum a little bit? Dr Dre and I clashed badly. Genius as well. Yeah, but we clashed badly. Why? Two strong characters, but Dre was also quite handy with his fists around women. Was he? Yeah. And he had attacked one woman called Dee Barnes, beat her up, TV presenter in America. He's beat up. Why? Because he's a violent misogynist. He came across as the cool one kind of the brains. If it were not for easy, Dre would have thumped me on one particular day. You're joking, why? Yeah. We were at a hotel in, where was it? I think it was Paddington. I was interviewed then. They'd come to play in Brixton. I met them before. They'd come to play in Brixton, but Dre was just weird. And I was just asking questions and he just took Umbridge to one and he went to leap towards me and easy threw himself in between us. What? Both. It was just really weird. Really, really weird. That was a very long time ago. Was it anything? No. Actually, Dre was much less so on any of that. I mean, I know they did the whole chronic thing and everything, but Dre was much less so on that than it appeared. He was a businessman. Dre was always a businessman, and he still is. Of course he's just done Dre beats, don't he? Absolutely. And I can separate out as much as possible the thug from the genius. Dre was never a thug though. He came from a posher area. You remember when he was in all of his thrills and everything because he came from that background as well, you know? Ice Cube was not a thug. Not a thug, you know? As I say, he was a businessman. He was the first one to leave NWA because he was getting shafted off. Heller, what was his name? Yeah, Jerry Heller. Jerry Heller. Jerry Heller. Yeah. It was unbelievable. To be involved in that period as it was happening was an amazing experience. The thing is, I'm not a great fan of hip hop in these days because it's just rubbish. I mean, Nicki Minaj, Drake, these people just don't work for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I loved NWA, I loved Public Enemy, Jungle Brothers, Tribecaw Quest, British Bands, Demon Boys. I managed hip hop bands. I managed Demon Boys, PLC, DJ Pogo. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I loved it. Van Alice? Well, obviously he was completely pan. Because Shug Knight held him over a veranda and tried to kill him. We'll threaten him to sign the rights away from my size, baby. And Shug Knight still got the rights to that this day. Yeah. I mean, Shug was not one to mess with. And it was easy, as I say, who first warned me. I had not heard of Shug. And so this court case that they'd asked me to take part in. And on the night after it, Easy had called me from LA. He was like, thank you so much. I was so grateful. And I was like, listen, I've just been honest. I've said I don't know. I always agree with what you say. And some of it is incredibly disparaging towards women. But I do understand the context of where you're coming from. And he said, I want to just tell you about one person you just got to watch out for. And I said, who's that? And he said his name is Shug Knight. And I'd never heard his name before. And I was like, what? And he's like, he's poisonous. He's got in with Dre. They're threatening me. And they just went off on this whole long list of stuff about how Shug Knight was a danger. Shug Knight was only interested in brutalising people, getting involved in music to brutalise people. And I just like filled my head with all this stuff about somebody I'd never heard about. And in no time at all, Shug suddenly became somebody that everybody knew because he made himself very known very quickly. Staeth yw ddaf i'r bodegad? He was on that bodegad? How was Snoop Dogg? Well, again, a really good story behind that because Snoop was a waiter. Do you remember the murder trial? Yeah. I was the only journalist to interview him. I'd gained such a good reputation for not being a hack. And being a journalist who genuinely cared about the culture and about the music and about portraying it. And there were people who were so stereotyping about young black rappers that they were all thugs or they were this or that. And a lot of the people I was meeting were far less fuggish or outrageous than white people I'd grown up with. So it wasn't just the media who blew this up. It was people like Shug who made much of this who used those stereotypes constantly to sell the music. So I interviewed Snoop when he was waiting that murder trial, which obviously he, because I can't even remember the details of it now, but that involved another guy and there was some mistaken identity and various other things. But he was hilarious. He was really funny because he is funny. Was he smoking at the time? He was. Lots of people did smoke around me. And I took part a lot of fun as well. Because they weren't just like interviews. They were like occasions. They were events. Do you know what I mean? And I just feel incredibly blessed. You must be man. That's legendary. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I don't think there's anyone else in the UK who's even interviewed one of them. Or two of them. You've interviewed the full, proper 90s and hardcore. Crazy. But what do you think of the two-pack and biggie small murder case? What do you think? Do you think it was copper? Do you think it was planned? I think it was absolutely planned. And I think that certainly with two-pack it was absolutely the LA police involved, LAPD. Absolutely, no doubt about it. And biggie, I'm uncertain. Jewelry's still out there. None of them should have died when they did. They both died prematurely. And I just find it interesting that two hugely powerful young black men were killed in a place where many people were around, where cameras were everywhere. And yeah, years on we still don't have the answer to who killed these two men. So I find that quite curious. We'll touch on all that stuff like Epstein, the two security guards fell asleep, and the cameras weren't working. So you've went from that era to then. Been very outspoken about pedophiles, like Jimmy Savo, you've got Epstein, you've got Prince Andrew now, you've got the McCann case, which are massive on your very well known for. How did you end up going down that route? Well, so my daughter was born in 1997. And for a little while, I carried on being a music journalist and I'd take her off to interviews with me and artists with Goo Goo and Gaga with her. But there's only so much you can do with a baby, right? And the thing is, I only have one child, but I'm a hands-on parent. And I was even then, and I didn't want to hand her over to somebody else to raise. Is that because you were an orphan as well? Probably almost certainly. I was just like, you know, I've got to be there. But leave my side. And some people did call me over protective, you know, certainly when she was younger. Because I was very like when people would say, can she have a sleepover? I was like, you know what I mean? I had all those kind of issues and everything. Can she go away on a school trip when she was seven? No. You know, and she was like one of the only ones in the class who didn't go away for a sleepover on a school trip when she was young. Because I was like, I don't know these people. Better protective. Yeah. And but it's not done any harm. She's at university. She's leading her life. She's absolutely fine, but she knew that she could. How are you now with her? Oh, we're best friends. Do you still protect her? Do you still call every minute and text? No, no, no, not at all. I mean, she's home for the whole COVID period anyway. Can you relax more though when she's home? It's really weird because it's like I have total faith in her. Like she's the adult in our relationship a lot of the time. She's 22 and she's like, you know, the grown up. Because she had a completely different background to me. So in some respects, I have some arrested development, you know, like some parts of my life almost paused when certain things happened to me in my life. Well, thank goodness she's not experienced any of those sort of traumas or anything. So yeah, hallelujah. Thank goodness thus far. You know, to my knowledge. I mean, do you know me? Because you just don't know. Do you at the time? Of course, of course. So, but I feel incredibly blessed. I feel incredibly blessed to be able to do the work I do. So yeah. So when she was born in 1997, I took her to a few things. But there comes a point when see the thing about music journalism is brilliant. You get to travel. You have a fantastic record collection. We don't get paid a lot of money because all the perks are in the job. But obviously once you become a parent, you need money because you can't. You can't feed her a CD to eat, right? That's not really going to work. So I did it as long as I could. And then I was like, OK, I got to find something else to write about. And the first thing that I wrote about was how silicone in breast implants were poisoning women. And because that looked really nasty and horrible. And I just hated the way that women were deforming their bodies and not knowing what they were doing to it. So that was the very first thing I wrote outside of music journalism. And things just started to take off. I started to do... My thing has always been injustice. The underdog, obviously my background plays a huge part in it. Very lower working class background. I've never... On paper, I'm middle class. But in my heart, I'm still that same working class girl. And I represent that as really important to me, not to sell out in any way. So injustices really fuel me. I'm very motivated by letting voices be heard and highlighting things that are wrong. So I just started more and more looking going into that. I wrote... Well, I've been a journalist now for 30 years. I presented a programme about AIDS for Channel 4. So I started to get some TV gigs and started to work on the Jeremy Byn show. Got loads of stuff on there. And it just kind of snowballed. But all of it was the same theme. It was all very much injustices. Was it kind of on repeat all the time? No, on repeat. Yeah, doing the same thing after there? No, not really. Because that's the great thing about my work is it's very varied. I need variety. I cannot do things repetitively. I'm not built for that, right? I mean I've worked in factories and I've made beds to make ends meet when my daughter was little and I separated from her father. I was a journalist and I was making beds in a hotel in the morning. I was serving in a bar. I was serving in a restaurant. Because I didn't want my daughter to grow up feeling impoverished in any way, right? Because you know how you always want to improve things for your children. So I wanted to make sure that you had the horse riding lessons and the ballet lessons and the swimming lessons. I wanted her to have all of that nice middle class existence. I just wanted her to have opportunities basically. But I didn't have the income for that and I wasn't earning a lot as a journalist at the time. We'd moved back to Gloucestershire from London when she was three when I separated from her father. To be surrounded by our big family. And I was just earning any ways I could to keep things going, keep things ticking over. I can't remember what your question was but... How did you get into the other slipper of coin when you'd done all the stuff that you'd done from hip-hop and then raising your kid and then you went and spoke about some serious, serious stuff. Was that always the plan for you to go down that path or just to come out of nowhere? The more I started to get known as somebody who was prepared to speak out about injustices whether that was resting plants or whatever or what the DWP were doing or what government was doing I was fighting against the welfare reform bill I was fighting for the NHS to be better managed or different things like that. So the more I became well known for being somebody who wasn't scared to speak up people would then come towards me and they'd say, I've got something to tell you this has haunted me for 20 years. I was starting to hear more and more and more of people's experiences not everyone was true I've since found out not everyone was true because you know what it's like once you become a public figure all manner of people gravitate towards you not everybody has your best interests at heart but a lot of them were true and a lot of them had some validity to it and I started researching it and it wasn't the establishment anyway but what I was learning was beyond the pale I suddenly started to see all the control mechanisms that took place how the establishment worked the blackmail that was taking place how children were used were being raped were used as blackmail between secret services between politicians all this stuff was coming on my radar I can't ignore this so it naturally gravitated towards that that lima can case was probably one of the first ones that made me go something's wrong here because the official narrative was ridiculous from the first day I didn't believe it I didn't believe that it was as straightforward as six doctors, there was nine there and six of them were doctors would night after night continue to go out and leave very young children that was weird to me that doctors would do that so that just sounded odd so I struggled with that story but I think that was probably one of the first stories where I started to unpack the official narrative because you're well known for the maddler mecan case you still speak it to this day so when you started working on that what kind of things were you trying to uncover well the mecan case is a perfect example of a case that looks if it's about one thing but it's actually about many many other things and so it wasn't just about the case of a missing child according to their parents and the tapas nine's own testimony had gone missing through their own negligence they gave us a neglect story that they left their children night after night where they went to the tapas bar and so that was Madeline had been stolen because she'd been neglected so so I just thought that there is something wrong with that and I wanted to convey that to people because it was clear to me that I don't like gaslighting and I felt like right from the beginning that we were being gaslighted so we had Kate and Jerry being put out onto these TV sofas and everything portrayed as the perfect parents middle class doctors absolutely perfect this was a blot on their landscape and I had a lot of problems with that because coming from my background I knew how we were demonised as children and I just thought if my mum had lost me in such a manner they would have hung her from the rafters the newspapers would have been all over her a working class woman and lost her child but they didn't do that with Kate and Jerry and I had a lot of problems with that because that just felt wrong it felt like they were being received because of their very middle classness and of course it was in part but it was also as we later discovered the fact that they had some influences the fact that politicians saw them as useful to use for their own agendas and there were all these other things going on and I saw people's freedom of speech being clamped down, Kate and Jerry using a multi-million pound fund that pensioners and little children had raided their money banks to send in to find Madeleine and Kate and Jerry were using this as a legal fund to stop people asking questions I had a lot of problems with all this James I was like these are not the actions that my child has gone missing they brought in public relations they brought in image management team who were being paid from Madeleine's fund none of this is right and I had a lot of problems with it and I kept trying to convey this to editors and one newspaper got me to write an article because I was so incensed about what I saw as international people who had internationally neglected their children and were being treated as celebrities and I had a lot of problems with that and I said if that was a black woman in a high-rise flat they would have slaughtered her if it was a white working class woman they would have slaughtered her if it was a single mother they would have slaughtered her but they didn't slaughter them so a newspaper asked me to write an article conveying all this feeling anyway I received a call from this list to say we absolutely love this piece I said thank you but we won't be running it and I was like okay there are people who have anything to do with the disappearance you make it quite clear that the abduction is potentially a fake one and we just can't run with that but it was all legal there was literally nothing actually illegal about it they could come back and get you a suit or anything because the way it had been worded was very clear that all I was saying was that I was asking questions because other people were asking questions that's legitimate journalism you can ask questions because other people ask questions in fact you should, you should be representing the public it's a public interest issue when the public is so involved with it when you know whoever it was, Branson Rowling they were all putting to lots of money into this multi-million pound fund for one child when one child goes missing every day so to me this was a public issue that we should examine anyway that piece never ran and that was it for me I was like something's wrong here then I wanted to do a documentary on mainstream as you know and so I went to a number of producers and one producer said to me some, love you to bits but that's one story you don't do are they scared? absolutely petrified petrified because the McCanns were using Madeline's Find Madeline fund as their legal fund to stop people asking questions the newspapers were making a lot of money as well because every front page story the numbers were going through the roof so if they lose that then the numbers drop as well so they use all those stories they used to Madeline in abhorrent ways actually James they would pick up rumours from Portugal just rumours and they'd run with them really awful stuff with no care or concern and the thing is I consider myself a journalist as opposed to a hack it's really important to me how the people at the centre of the story are impacted I'm not talking about corrupt people if it's palm politicians or anybody else like that I will go after them full force but if you're actually talking about a sensitive situation that perhaps involves survivors or whatever what my intervention will eventually mean for them how will it impact them that's important to me to leave people vulnerable no not to leave people vulnerable it's important to me that when I deal with vulnerable people to leave them in better shape than I found them not to leave them in worse shape so you know there's all this stuff that's like kicking in but the moment I was told that's one story that you don't cover that to me was that's it loves are off that's it this is the story I must cover it's a big loss work through it the first documentary we made which was the McCans and the police examining the relationship between the McCans and the police they've had a relationship with now four police forces and so I examined that relationship what it actually meant what influence the McCans had had on police what things that the police had refused to investigate that had been taken to them and what was interesting was the year before we released that documentary and it says in the second documentary we made I think I had approximately 54 TV and radio appearances so that's more than one a week and that's you know you know we're talking BBC, ITV you know all over the year after we released the documentary I didn't even have one zero big fat zero that to me was evidence that that I had done something wrong I'd really ruffled feathers and that's continued to now and I've since found out that that was absolutely true I was removed from certain programs I was removed from this morning I was removed from Sky until there was a change of personnel and the guy who was keeping me out because he had been involved a lot of the sky covered and when he went I then came back in again so because obviously personnel shift and change all the time but there are TV companies to this day which are still invested in the abduction story and it is in their interest not to have me on Jeremy, how much pool did at the end of Jeremy can have I know he worked at Celtic Boys Clubs as well Celtic Boys Club is one of the biggest paedophile rings I think there's been six people in prison now staying back from the 60s and the more likely they get shared on it the more shit that's getting uncovered and I know he worked there I'm not saying I don't know what he did there he was a doctor there but I don't know if he was involved in any of that shit but how much power do you think he has that is he got any power that he's closing down his interviews because I know there's so a lot of people as well for speaking out against him how well connected is he well I mean that is the eternal question we certainly know that before Madeline went missing he was involved with a government board which was looking at clean air and on that same board was Gordon Brown's brother so there's a connection straight away there the day after Madeline went missing or several days and this is the thing is this story is intriguing because there's so many component parts to it that you just have to go whoa it's really weird Madeline was I would say reported missing because we don't know that she definitely went missing on May the 3rd so I would say reported missing because that's accurate Was there a homicide reported though for the Portuguese police at the start was that a murder they were looking to do for a missing child well actually the Portuguese police I think struggled from the very beginning believing the abduction story because as soon as they went in the crime scene had been contaminated the McCans and their friends had been all through the crime scene before the police arrived other people had come in from the holiday resort trampling all through it and for doctors who know about forensic evidence again I found that extraordinary but one of the extraordinary twists and turns for me was so that was May the 3rd when Madeline was reported missing on May the 4th the very first TV broadcast about it was on GMTV good morning yeah good morning no that's what it's now morphed into but then it was GMTV and the editor was Martin Frizel who is now the editor of this morning and they said that a call came through about a missing child and they put it straight through and put it on to air and that was when we first heard about missing Madeline and what was really curious was the woman who came through was a friend of Kate's and she also claimed in that week she actually lived in the same street as one of Gordon Brown's brothers and she claimed in that week to have bumped into him and said you know these are friends of mine they need help but all of that is so extraordinary do you know what I mean what's the chances of Kate McCann's mate living in the same street as Gordon Brown's brother do you say that I'm saying all of this stuff is like question mark somewhere this is an intriguing case even down to things like the apartment that they rented in Prada Luz it was owned by a family called the McCanns who weren't related to the McCanns even stuff like that and it's always intriguing isn't it when you fall upon those sort of things and go strange synergy taking place here what's this all about and that's what that case is like and it's one of those cases where one thing can be a bit off right we're not talking about one thing we're talking 20, 30 things keep adding up and keep stacking up that make you have to go this story is not as told because when he was getting a few of Jerry he's so calm and collective but again is that because he's a doctor and he's been through seeing so many dead bodies as well because we've still got to question it is there 100% proof that they were involved or is it just people we're experiment hunters we're always searching it sounds like people like to hear bad shit as well as a good where we could be wrong we could be wrong here's the thing James I'm open minded because I think you have to be as an investigator I am fixed on something until something arrives to tell me that I have to question that and then I will I'm not arrogant I will question that but what I will say without a shadow of a doubt is that there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that Madeleine died in apartment 5A and that her body was disposed of in some way rather than evidence to suggest an abduction took place and so I'm just going on the evidence the Portuguese police released their files there was a lot of information in there it was quite clear that the Tappas 9 were not answering truthfully I mean who needs to do two rough timelines about what you're doing when a child is missing which they did do right change their statements, witness statements changed all really weird peculiar stuff right at the beginning knowing you're going to use this fund for legal fees why you've got a missing child surely you'll be using it for travel fees do you know what I'm saying go find out the dog that was involved as well was at the best dog in the world fast snapping out dead bodies Eddie and Keila were the creme de la creme of enhanced victim recovery dogs right this is Martin Grime we're talking about anybody has to do a google search if you want a dog handler we're talking Martin Grime this is a man that the FBI used to put away people in the states when they couldn't find bodies right so Martin Grime was at the top and Eddie and Keila were exemplary and they went and they alerted to only the places to do with Madeline so they went in all the apartments of all the people who the friends who were there they alerted to the apartment where Madeline was reported missing they alerted to a key ring that was in a higher car that Kate and Jerry had hired 28 days or so after Madeline had been reported missing they alerted to Kate's trousers they alerted in the new apartment that the McCans had been moved to away from the crime scene they didn't alert anywhere else so to me it's like all these dog alerts are where either around her parents around her family or where she was reported missing dismissed well they said that the evidence they didn't say the evidence was wrong they said it was inconclusive and it needed more and there were problems at the forensic science service and what we have now is Dr Mark Perlin who was a world renowned expert who has come out offered to do to re-examine that DNA for free contacted Scotland Yard where Operation Grange which is the British investigation they're not interested do you think Madeline McCans dead? yes what time did we should not reported was it not hours later before they contacted the police when she went, apparently went missing well they tell us that their first notification that she'd gone missing was at 10 o'clock when Kate went back to the apartment to check on them because obviously their story was that they went out every night to the tapas bar across the swimming pool their apartments their tapas bars there and they said that them and their friends went out every night to have dinner at the tapas bar they went back every well that even changed I think one minute was 15 minutes that was half an hour but either way they said they went back regularly to double check on the children that already was a problem for me right I mean we've just talked about me being an overbearing parent right so the idea of going off on the lash leaving your little babies that to me immediate I didn't like these people from straight away I was like these they're something off about these people but you know it's always been an intriguing story to me it doesn't add up and like I say my mind is open anything if any information I get information all the time I actually got a call yesterday with somebody who swears to me that they saw Madeline in Peru right so what have I done today I haven't ignored it I've been straight onto somebody a contact out there saying what is the likelihood that because they said that Madeline was with a particular person I said what is the likelihood that this person was in Peru I gave them the dates and so I'm willing to so you're still investigating it as well I will always investigate if you come to me I'm not some people come to me and tell me crazy stuff which my solar plexus rejects straight away I'm not having that but if somebody sounds legit and they give me all the details when they were there what do you know what I'm saying you know because there's not allegations that said the kids were drug because you know on holiday kids don't sleep so if you're putting what time did apparently put the kids to bed oh yes so the time so basically so they said that they went off to the tapasbara at 8.30 and then they were running back periodically and what they claim was that Madeline was first alerted to be reported missing at 10pm and Kate went running back and again she's gone running back so you're saying there's a predator that's taken your oldest child but you've left your twins who were young in the apartment that you're who would do that when I've been to the scene of crime twice she could come out on the balcony and go Jerry that could have happened you don't need to come back out and run back up no and that was odd to me again those instincts were really weird stuff so that was at 10 o'clock the police log shows that the police were not called until 10.41 when they claimed that the police were called immediately that was not the case so it was at least 41 minutes during which time people traipse through the apartment the crime scene was a mess yeah contaminated have the other kids ever came forward why have they never been seen or the other people who were at the hotel with them why have they never came and spoken about any of this all their friends well this is where it gets tricky of course because hypothetically let's run a hypothetical situation let's say that something did happen to Madeline that they're all aware of well I've talked to a lot of crime investigators about this how do you manage to get hypothetically all these people in a group to agree to go along with your lie I think the most common theory is that they were dragging the kids so that the kids wouldn't wake up and the theory is that Madeline was half-dosey when Jerry came in I think at 9.15 heard his voice outside talking downstairs to a TV producer who was also holidaying and fell off the back of the sofa possibly hit her head that's where the blood and cadab and possibly died behind the sofa I think that's one of the most common theories about what happened to her and I'm sorry I keep going off on a tangent with you my mind is like there's so much about this case even to this day it boggles my mind because it's so insane so much of it just doesn't make sense doesn't add up so they had that period when they didn't do anything so the crime investigators I've talked to because I'm really curious how could all nine people be involved in a secret and keep it all this time 13 years later actually is quite common it's quite common because if in the event that's what happened don't forget all those other adults would have also been complicit to a certain degree because they would have known that the children would have been given cow-poll or whatever it was to make them drowsy they might have even been doing it to their own little toddlers so they're all complicit and in that situation who knows just say hypothetically that they found her dead body even doctors don't necessarily know what to do with a dead body so that's why obviously investigators were interested in the immediate those immediate 24 hours what took place there and there's a lot of clues in that as I say they did two different timelines Jerry couldn't remember whether he came in the back door or the side door really weird stuff that just didn't make sense but they were changing it it would appear according to the story they were given because one minute the abductor had come in the window and said I've seen people doing interviews on a TV who's lost their kids maybe kids have went missing or kids have died and they look to straw it just because they did an interview and people were saying question marks it doesn't mean you're guilty but for me there is something suspicious about it all what's your run down on it all what is your theory with the information you have what is your theory about all the situation between Madeline McCann my theory is that Madeline died in that apartment that abduction was that it was essentially a ffaked abduction my theory is the same as the Portuguese police the Portuguese police haven't really changed that was their original theory and when they archived the case they didn't archive the case they made Kate and Jerry Arguido which is persons of interest in Portugal and there's a legal protection there obviously because it protects them in case they are then prosecuted so they made Arguido they said they were never going to leave Portugal until they found Madeline and it was either the next day or within two days of them being made Arguido they were back on the plane and back to England again and the Portuguese police believed very much that Madeline died accidentally in the apartment and that was concealed and an abduction was ffaked and I tend to everything that I've found all the information tends to back up that theory I definitely don't believe she was abducted I definitely don't a lot of people have got question marks I know a lot of people still say leave them alone I've lost a kid, I get it do you ever think the lesson of truth always comes out at the end I don't care what it is the truth always comes out and it is with this you see so bear in mind right from the beginning I didn't believe this it was 2007 or 13 years ago because this is the thing about truth is that truth will surface whether you want it to or not you know that because bit by bit as we start to gather more information and sort of acclimatise to what has come towards us so we were fed a very very strong narrative they went out every night they were returning and there was a small window in which Madeline was taken a very very specific narrative well once I had unpacked that narrative and realised that didn't stand up to scrutiny then it was well what else could have happened to her right so I never I'm not the person to heap problems on top of people that's not my aim but I believe that this is well I don't believe I know this is a matter of public interest in the UK we've spent £30 million on a crime that didn't even happen in this country we are not looking at the people who were there in any missing person case especially a missing child's case they look at the people who were around the child first British police have systematically avoided doing that Colin Sutton who I interviewed for both our documentaries who was the senior investigating officer for Levi Bellefield who killed Millie Dowler and the ITV made a programme on Colin and Colin was a very very senior met police cop brilliant man I interviewed him and the news of the world before Operation Grange started which is the British investigation into Madeline surely before it started the news of the world which was still functioning then ran a story saying that Colin Sutton was in line to lead Operation Grange Colin Sutton he says it's on record it's in our dog he received a phone call from a very senior Metropolitan Police cop saying don't do it and Colin said why and he said you won't be able to investigate it how you would want to because Colin's a straight cop right he's a straight cop so I said to him well how do you interpret that he said I wouldn't be able to look at the parents so Operation Grange started off from a very narrow remit and that's backed up by Andy can't remember his surname who was the original investigating officer of Operation Grange saying that neither the parents said this in the press conference to a launched Operation Grange neither the parents or the friends are persons of interest that doesn't sound like a legitimate investigation if you are immediately before the investigation starts ruling out the very people who were there do you think they should do a lie detector and put some speculation in their bed well I'm not convinced by lie detectors I work with a man called Terry Mullins he's got eye recognition now the first one is kinder in the UK oh wow eye recognition what does that do you can't hang me so I work with Terry and we've got something coming up something very big but these are the kind of names that listen it is still speculation but if you're innocent 10 that's speculation then you would think I'm going to prove everyone wrong I see I don't know if I would because I don't trust lie detector tests I get worried about them right because I worry about you know if you get anxious but this is the I know people say you can fear it you can cheat it without eye recognition interesting I know what I think they should do is I think they should go right back to the beginning I think that Kate and Jerry were and their friends were never prepared even to do a reconstruction they've never done a police reconstruction right obviously Kate infamously refused to answer 49 questions pertaining to the disappearance of Madeleine and these are not the actions of parents who have lost a kid when you look at the other side I was trying to she was legally advised by her legal rep not to answer questions but James my child's missing there's no legal rep in the world who can shut me up from giving information to the people who are potentially looking for her and also the fact that Kate didn't even search for Madeleine that's weird right your instinct you're in a holiday resort your child goes missing I'd be ripping the sand from the beach and she stayed in her apartment and then when there was criticism she admitted in one of the first interviews and when asked why didn't they go searching she was like well we did loads of other things because they were busy setting up the business and arranging all the business operators to protect you're only taught to shut up if you're hiding something yeah well it's problematic to me how were you treated then once you started trying to get answers how did other people treat you at the time well on the surface at distance you didn't mean people in my profession people like that did you become like not afraid but she's a bit out there to put it back from her because people can potentially lose their job, their livelihood persona non grata that was me and I still am though because I tackle the subjects quite deliberately and when I mean deliberately I tackle the subjects that mainstream won't I will look at things that mainstream won't I was in an article for the journalist magazine last week which is the national union of journalists magazine so it's the magazine for journalists and they approached me about talking about the whole gender debate and the issue about how we should be reporting on this issue and so I'm a responsible journalist I don't just push out crap that's not what I do I'm saying I'm not a hack it really is important to me that people are afforded dignity and decency in this world unless you're not if you're not decent then I'll come for you if you are in any way abusing people or using public funds you're surrounded by that protective layer of public funds whether politicians, local council I'll come for you so you become afraid of people then I don't know if I'm a threat well I'm exposing people because she's like a skelf she just doesn't go away like a fawn because I know you spoke out about genders and stuff like that and transgender drag queen story drag queen story time so let's talk about that but what I'll just add to that is that there have been really worrying times I was wired up to the Metropolitan Police for over three years I had a stalker I had many stalkers and over a period of one year alone there were over 2,000 posts on Twitter wanting to set me on fire bury me in concrete, rape me I mean just mad stuff case failed 15 days before it went to trial at Kingston Crown Court and my head stalker several days after that was given a core participant role in the child abuse inquiry so it kind of tells you what's going on when did the threats really start to hit home then the threats really started 2012 when I started looking into the whole issue of paedophiles in Parliament after the Jimmy Savill revelations that's when the threats really started we found out who it was I didn't know them before but I got to know them obviously I didn't know the guy and actually had been friendly with him he'd been a care home in North Wales but he'd been part of the problem he'd been one of the older boys who had selected the younger boys to be abused so he'd managed to keep himself out of the fray and he was selecting the younger boys do you tend to see the people who target you are paedophiles himself or some sort of he was a child rapist he had been involved in the gang rape of a child when he was in the care home himself when he was an older lad but yes there is absolutely a strong theme one woman targeted me for four years and her brother who stayed with her sometimes she lived in Holland British woman but lived in Holland she would invite child abuse survivors to come over and stay with her and I found out her brother also stayed there and her brother raped a woman so bad gave a date rape Rohypno raped a woman so bad he's got a claustomy bag for life so these are the kind of people who were after me they were after me I just wanted to it's not like I'm free here right I do have people after me you only have to google my name see the defamation about me I was accused of the murder of a survivor and one woman filmed herself taking an overdose saying it was because of me she wasn't actually taking an overdose she was actually eating sweets but she did it in such a way it looked like it was tablets she filmed that that was put out all on social media this is terrible stuff to have said about you really terrible stuff and I had a very very difficult few years to be honest with you from about I was actually quite ill 2013 to about 2017 was a very very dark period I had a breakdown when I was 30 and I'm 55 now I think I am can't remember but I had a breakdown when I was 30 and over the last few years I thought I was going to go there again when all this stuff piled in Did you ever think about taking a couple of steps back and just going down the straight route the people pretending that they don't see or hear anything do you know what I mean but I think that's against your will that you say you're too much of a fighter to go because I don't agree with that let people who know what's going on but they choose not to because they're getting a wage for me they're part of the fucking problem do you know what I mean this is the thing right is that we've all got to earn a living we've all got to earn a livelihood now some of my colleagues they live in very decent big big houses this is a little terrace house but comfortable really grateful don't get me wrong really really grateful to have it but I don't desire splendour I don't desire fast cars or riches do you know what I'm saying those things are not important to me the truth turns me on literally I'm like I don't mean sexually but do you know what I mean well it depends depends what kind of truth it is really but you know what I mean it's like it motivates me it's like I find it's truth exciting and when people talk truth you know it you can connect with it so even though I did momentarily pull myself back I said okay I need to start thinking about myself about my health at one point the doctor diagnosed me with 14 things wrong with my body because obviously your body takes a toll if you're going to carry on doing the same things and you're not listening to all the messages that you've got to pull back your body takes the toll is that because of the stories you were hearing as well when you did the pedophiles of parliament is it pedophiles of parliament or pedophiles in parliament like you uncovered a lot of big names how did that documentary come about why did you go down that route was that after the maddam i can well that was because I had the evidence was irrefutable to me it was quite clear that there had been a cover up in parliament that there had been some high profile names that children had been taking to had been taken from care homes transported in sunshine coaches do you remember the sunshine coaches they used to use for disabled kids they were taking kids from care homes on these sunshine coaches dressing up seven and eight year old boys in little fairy costumes taking them to place like Dolphin Square you know I mean no doubt that they took them to Elm Guest House which became most famous of Cyril Smith there Leon Britton a number of other people Cyril Smith was definitely there no doubt about it obviously a pedo politician who was abusing and raping children in Rochedale but it became increasingly clear to me that there was one story that could be told in mainstream and one story that everybody was acting as if it didn't so they were going so far in terms of the pedophile allegations after Jimmy Savill but they weren't going deep enough they weren't prepared to really go in deep and I was getting increasingly frustrated and I just said sorry I'm going to do it I have to do it myself so that's what I did I sat down I've never been I'm not computer savvy but I had learned to edit and use Final Cut Pro because I was so desperate to tell a story I had to be told How bad was Jimmy Savill? I was bad I mean this is a man who had no filter to him there was no barriers or boundaries children to necrophilia you know this is a bad person this is a very very sick individual So how does a man like that a DJ what were the royal family surely he would have been vetted or have done background cheers Exactly my point exactly and the same as with his relationship with Margaret Thatcher She was an evil old bastard Oh absolutely So was she covering up pedophile rings so deeply though so deeply though because Peter Morrison who was her right hand man her protection royal protection officer close protection officer went to her and said that Peter Morrison is rumoured to be having weekend parties with young boys at his Cheshire home gave her information what did she do? promoted him and you know the Tory cabinet McAlpine McAlpine was rumoured to be going to North Wales care homes having boys delivered to his car and he was very clever when the whole McAlpine thing came out I don't remember the news night and Lord McAlpine who was then alive obviously and he was I think he was the conservative party treasurer at the time So there were these accusations and Steve Mesham who had come from the North Wales care home had gone on news night and had identified his abuser and said it was Steve didn't actually say Lord McAlpine but the inference was that it was Lord McAlpine people talking about on Twitter and various other things Well he came Lord McAlpine came crashing down on that people getting sued on Twitter it was like anybody who tweets this I mean it was like so scary and then obviously lots of people and then ITV ended up paying him I think it was like 127,000 because Philip Schofield had handed over a list which had had his name on which somebody had said that you could potentially see his name but basically she was protecting all these people in her circle absolutely and Jimmy Savill is a perfect example because what we know was that he stayed with her for many years at Checkers which obviously is the official resident of the British Prime Minister and he will go there for Christmas at least on ten occasions some people say it was as much as 12-14 occasions so you know You see the river in the kids do you think I mean I believe he was the procurer of the children for various people certainly there's absolutely no way on earth could you have got that close to royalty as he did and that close to politicians as he did without being vetted within an inch of his life so he was vetted he would have had to have been vetted 100% it's ridiculous the celebrities saying already they heard the stories about him so you try to tell me the royal family didn't know exactly like the Prince Andrew scandal when he did his interview why did he do that interview when it made him just look guilty was he so pushed back into a corner that he had to do it no I think that's the arrogance that he's grown up with you see these people believe they're completely untouchable they can outwit everybody he came across as a fucking idiot people are not bright a lot of them are educated beyond intelligence they were afforded a good education but it's beyond their actual abilities and they aren't bright can he ever get brought down can the FBI look at the shit show look at what's been going on he should have been questioned long ago now we know this anyway that he interfered with their legal system on behalf of Epstein him and Glenn Maxwell they were the friends Andrew and Glenn so it's ridiculous what he's been allowed to get away with can he get charged though or is the royal family too much power well I think legally he probably can be charged the juror is out on that obviously the Queen can't the connection between him and Epstein how strong was that I think it was strong I think it was a lot stronger than he would want us to believe obviously I mean when you hear of what Virginia has to say Virginia was obviously the one that Prince Andrew allegedly raped and I have to say allegedly because we're in that territory but I don't know if you've seen filthy rich on Netflix so well that was that I only told like quarter of the story but it doesn't go into obviously too much detail we are talking about an international pedophile trafficking you know they were like a corporate industry weren't they and that's what's been protected and it continues to be protected I don't want to leave this earth James until people like Prince Andrew have been held to account that's my thing is that I want to see people who should be held to account held to account and then I feel that I can step off I feel as if people are waking up I think people thought it was just a conspiracy theory Prince Andrew, Epstein Bill Clinton now you've got Hollywood you've got guys like Tom Hanks who I've heard he was on tag in Australia for being a pedophile he was on tag and he pretended to bring quarantine for coronavirus I mean I've heard this as well but do you give it credence to you? Not yet but I believe a lot of people say it then it's becoming there because you've got the girl Liz who's the one that's done out of the shadows Liz has done pizza again is croaking so she's going deep so she is with she's calling out John Legend's wife Chrissy Teigen that's been ongoing and the thing is it is possible and this is the thing this is the journalist coming in now people went on those flights legitimately not realising what was actually taking place there that is absolutely possible so I allow for that as well I don't automatically say everybody on Epstein's flight log is a pedo going on to Epstein's island so I allow for that and it is possible that Chrissy Teigen may be one of those certainly she's not having it is she out of everybody she's the one who's fighting it the hardest she's really challenging what's being said about her but some of her tweets about kids and it's very perverted and this is where I have a problem this is exactly where I have a problem who was the guy that masters the universe you remember that Disney guy do you read some of his tweets I think he was to do with nexus is that how it's pronounced that sort of cult I could have that wrong anyway but a lot of these people their tweets are really dodgy who tweets this kind of and then they go oh that was like 10 years ago 78 who tweets that so I know what you mean how true is the satanism stuff the flesh eating adrenachrome how true is that a lot more people are starting to speak out about that stuff but are they doing it just for attention or is it true because I've never spoke to anyone who it's all speculation nothing's concrete with it I've talked to people who believe categorically that this happened to them but it is difficult it is really really difficult to know but the thing is you have to be careful because sometimes things are so far out that they lend themselves to be and denied anyway but we shouldn't automatically dispute something just because it's beyond our usual imagination do you know what I mean because these people aren't like us that's the thing and I have encountered satanist they're not like me and the thing can do things that I would never consider and this is where the problem is James is when you have decent people who generally don't want to harm other people they find it hard to put themselves in the shoes of these abusers of these very sick people who drink blood and do more it's impossible it's so hard for them and that's why you have to be careful not to dismiss it just because it sounds too far out there would they say adrenachrome adrenachrome for anyone who doesn't know they say when they torture kids and try new gland releases this and it's the most expensive drug in the world they say people are saying in Hollywood they've been drinking it and make some feel young fitter fresher but again it's all speculation isn't it like hydronized adrenaline isn't that what it kind of is but again you see all the videos and you can go right down the rabbit hole but I'm not too clued up with it all if I'm honest I've seen an old video and it's scary but it's also intriguing to go wait a minute is that true it's not of the appeal and that's again where we have to be careful we have to be careful because the thing is is that we can be busy looking for lizards or we can tackle the people who are right in front of our faces being abusers do you know what I'm saying sometimes I think but it's also intriguing this stuff is hard to listen to and sometimes people feel the need to tack a little bit of this onto it jazz it up this way I don't I think the truth is compelling enough you know any of these situations you tell the truth it's gobsmacking you don't need to dress anything up now so I want to be clear here I'm not dismissing what people are saying I just don't know the truth about what you've just I don't know the truth and so I like to keep an open mind subjects as I say subject to new information I like to keep an open mind it's not beyond my understanding that these people could be using something in order to be able to rejuvenate themselves and this is ongoing anyway this is what they do in Hollywood the Kardashians not one of them have the same face they were born with this is how Hollywood functions they're constantly doing stuff like this but Hollywood is I think there's a lot of shit that's going to come down I believe there's so much out there now people are starting to wake up and realise okay there's something I miss here how deep are these? I don't know I don't know about the paedophile rings but I do know that they are very deeply in this Clinton is going to come off so bad through all this Epstein Maxwell stuff having said that we were discussing this on a live stream I now do on Saturday nights with Sean Atwood working on Sean's channel you've also got your own YouTube channel so we'll leave the links as well look again I've gone off on a tangent you're saying about Hillary and Bill Clinton you think it will come down in Bill Clinton I think they're the big ears that are going to get it but whether we're going to be able to bring them down or not because these crime families they're crime families and it's not just about them Hillary and Bill as themselves they're expendable but it's who they're associated with it's who else has bought into what it is they've done so that's why they remain protected for ever well they're still here they're filthy we know they're filthy even going back to their early days in Arkansas there's a dead body count around them we know this and I don't know about all the Podesta stuff I don't know if there's truth to that I can see why people would believe it because these are people who even just a cursory knowledge of them you know something is wrong with them your soul tells you something is wrong with these people and that's why a lot of the time rumours get tacked on because we already have a bad feeling about these people but perhaps what reason we have a bad feeling about them is because they are legitimately corrupt they are legitimately child abusers but they might not be satanists and while we're busy focused on them being satanists and drinking children's blood and everything we're not actually dealing with the reaction do you see what I'm saying and that's I'm always about bringing it back to the reality can you put somebody in handcuffs can you put that or is it just a theory is it just you know five people ruled in the world that we'll never be able to put in handcuffs or can we put people who are prepared to stand up and put like for me many people say quite rightly Boris Johnson has very little power but as far as I'm concerned he's prepared to be a figurehead so if there's something involving him take him down so what I'm saying if you're prepared to be a figurehead for these because you'll be impaired handsomly for air you also got to be culpable might be missing actually the people who are truly pulling the strings but we get the people that we can we get them yeah but if you look through the years no prime minister a president has ever been to the jail I watched one of your videos you were talking about Bill Clinton, the Monica Lewinsky thing you said that was a cover up a deflection yes yes and that was from great contacts who gave me that information and it was complete and the reason why I believe it is because it was so contrary to what everybody else had known about it I have no doubt that she was having you know a really fair well but he's had many yeah exactly but you think that was a deflection to get away that it was a child well and that's where it got interesting for me because we've always known that Bill Clinton is a lady's man that's how he's been portrayed remember the whole Hillary stand by your man thing and everything and that's what I was told and actually it's followed through because now we know all about the Epstein stuff and I was told this a very long time ago before many of that came out and what I was told was that it was far preferable for him to be seen as somebody who would chase a bit of skirt of an adult woman even if she was like late teens but at least away from because if he's seen as a lady's man then he's not seen as buggering children or anything else that he may be doing it complete and it worked it worked everybody saw Bill Clinton as a lady's man but very few associated him with children or underage children or underage people right but now they do and that was a long time ago I was told that and that was by those were brilliant sources who told me that but they still control a big part of the media those in power the Hillary Clinton emails as well how true are they well they are true I mean the ones that were leaked by WikiLeaks they are true and she threw out that whole campaign and I mean she was weird do you remember on the several occasions when she appeared to have glitches and stuff do you remember that weird stuff one occasion when she was getting into the car and they all surrounded her because she fell back and the following day they came out and she said I'd had my flu shot don't know if you remember that that was quite interesting if you need any further reason not to have a flu shot watch that video so these people are professional covering things up right they're professional these are not moralistic people I don't believe anybody gets into the White House is moralistic any more than anybody who gets into number 10 so why do you think they get to the top do you think that they've got dirt on them that if they don't follow rules they'll use it like presidents, prime ministers it all seems to be the same families it all seems to be in the bloodline exactly it is the same families over and over again it's the soupsons same families but they are all in it together to a certain degree because Donald Trump was slightly different obviously because he'd never been a politician and he sort of bought his way obviously into being in the presidential race so he was slightly different but he was still all part of that same set I mean he was as matey with Epstein as the rest of them you know but I mean I thought I think the Trump campaign was quite genius because they managed to portray him as a man of the people as he stood in his gold lift do you know what I mean this is genius stuff when you're able to to manipulate people people are so easy man what do you think of Trump though because a lot of people are saying now he's one for child grooming gangs for exposing it putting the border around Mexico to stop kids getting imported and a lot of people kids have gone missing the numbers have come down he's one that's behind trying to expose Hollywood is that real or is it bullshit I don't know a lot of people are portraying him as a good guy yes they do and I have a lot of problems with that because these same people fight to the death for Trump and attack people like Maria Farmer who is obviously one of Epstein's victims and last Friday for a perfect example I see Maria Farmer being attacked on Twitter and it was all to do with Trump because she's saying now he's he's as responsible as anybody else in all of this but the same people who want to believe that Clinton absolutely Prince Andrew absolutely they don't want to believe Trump and this a lot of people are very party political when it comes to child abusers right and a perfect example of that is Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson is only interested in child abusers if they're Muslims for one example whereas I'm interested in nailing all child abusers I'm not party political right I'm not culturally biased if you are Muslim grooming gang raping children get you if your white middle class part of the establishment get you I don't care so Tommy Robinson is the same as these people who were defending Trump but want to nail Clinton and it's not it's almost like they're not really interested in child abuse they're interested in pushing their political points and that's problematic for me Trump is to me part of the problem far from the solution I know I've heard all about this to do with Mexico and everything not Mexico it is Mexico and rescuing children from the cages and everything but this is all rumour and who is starting this these are very powerful machines around it you know we know that there are people online who were set up specifically to maintain all this kind of work right so me I don't trust anything until I've been able to flesh it out as much as I humanly can drill down on it and find out as much of the truth as possible and I have not reached a conclusion about Donald Trump yet Glen Maxwell she seems to be the modern day Jimmy Savile she seems to be the another one who brought the big wigs kids, the paedophile rings where does she come from I know her dad was major so Robert Maxwell owned the Trinity Mirror group which was obviously the Daily Mirror Sunday Mirror Sunday People loads of other media enterprises he of course was the bastard who stole everybody's pensions he was said to have fallen off I think the lady Galane his boat and died I think everybody knew that it was odd death very odd death but she comes from a crime family essentially you know almost all of her siblings are involved in very very dodgy stuff I found out something the other night again on this live stream with Sean from Charlie Robinson which was absolutely brilliant which was about Galane Maxwell sister Isabelle and how she was involved in event 201 the round table event to do with the Gates Foundation which was saying a coronavirus pandemic was coming that they did last October and the Maxwells were involved in that sort of stuff do you know what I mean they have their fingers in lots of pies they're a crime family Galane was very much a society girl she'd gone from the UK to New York a society princess mixed with sort of the elite very very wealthy people but really whereas Jimmy Saville was a working class northern DJ who did that she was a upper middle class society girl who was almost certainly procuring children basically the sort of female equivalent of Jimmy Saville so then from it do you think she'll get killed do you think she'll go suicide probably the next few weeks do you know what living in the world but we live in I have to say it's possible I mean I can no longer say categorically you can arrest a high profile person and they're going to survive because they say Epstein had videos of high profile names presidents prime ministers Hollywood actors where he had videos and he was going to expose it all and then eventually when he did it was on a 24-7 suicide watch two security guards fall asleep cameras don't work it's never heard of it's phenomenal isn't it really what if they hadn't killed him do you think he's dead possibly he's got that much money so many contacts he's got these fucking islands here's the thing right again if you'd have asked me the same question about a similar situation maybe five years ago I would have said no of course he's dead don't be ridiculous that's just conspiracy theory and doesn't help anybody but we live in a world now where the levels of corruption are so deep nothing surprises you and I think that's the best place to be in now doesn't mean I'm gullible but I have to allow for these that you have to you have to because they've lied to us so consistently right whatever it's about whether it's about coronavirus or vax it they lie to us constantly they don't give us factual information and so we are forced to question narratives constantly and find out invariably that many many narratives don't stack up official narratives don't stack up so for me what you said I have to allow for the fact that he could have been picked up and what carted off to Israel because they you know Maxwell Maxwell family were very very much involved with Israeli intelligence that was their heart they were very clear about that and so you know and what everybody has to say that with any knowledge is that both Glenn and Epstein were involved with Israeli intelligence so who's to say who's to say they aren't somewhere being protected how connected was Glenn how deep as the pedophile rings that they were involved in Epstein and her well I think deep I know there's a few girls came forward we're talking extensive and that's again why the Netflix doc is really like it's like 3% of 100 do you know what I mean and it's not to take anything away from it all highlighting is good except if it sets a certain narrative because what the Netflix doc leaves you is with this idea that for the most part the young females they were they were not children they were 1617 yeah it was kind of like and some of it I had a bit of a problem with because these were school girls these were school girls right they were they were grooming these school girls although Netflix did say all of this they were sending bouquets and stuff to it was like a young girl at school who was picking out her mates to go off but this is much more extensive this is an international child trafficking organisation so those stories of those mid teens late teens young females that was just like Palm Beach in Florida in New York these people were travelling all over the world they were having young people and children supplied to them of that I have no doubt and I truly believe that Glenn was absolutely instrumental in this I mean allegedly yeah how many kids go missing each year in the UK I mean it's actually difficult to put a number and the reason why is because we have the rough idea that one child goes missing every five minutes okay in the UK but a significant percentage of those children return within 24 hours then within a week so it is actually very very difficult to get a final number missing and coming back because I've had Barbara O'Hara on my show who's a good friend she was in Aston Hall she wrote the book The Hospital so the doctors they were all pedophiles but what they used to do is have a checklist kids from broken homes kids from addictions kids who've already been abused so what happens is when they sign them into the mental institute once the kids run away and try and tell the police or whatever the police didn't believe them because they're sent away as crazy and they take them right back so there was a checklist and Aston Hall they were drugging the kids experimenting on them, killing them and this was going so deep but again all these connections can be from high profile doctors politicians Barbara says people used to drive up in their fancy suits big cars take away the kids for a couple of days and take them back and that's key what she just said there and that reminds me of the point I was just going to say to you about Lord McAlpine because when he came out with this statement that he wasn't a pedophile and all these rumours were terrible the wording was very clever I have never been inside a care home no mate you never needed to go inside because the boys were sent out to your car do you see what I'm saying it was all very clever wording that was used yes this stuff is extensive we know this is extensive you know care homes have been an absolute health for children stole to last day used to take photos of the kids getting in and put them in a catalogue and then the catalogue used to get passed about all the major MPs all the high profile names it's fucking sick man terrible and it makes me feel murderous James I mean the thing is is that I try and keep us balanced equilibrium as possible but sometimes people say to me what would you do with Peter Fuzz I honestly don't I don't believe in the death penalty first of all right because you can get that wrong I'll put it out there but I believe because I had a friend on Terry Ellis last week he was a bank robber but he done 16 years he went to Grendan which is one of the most ruthless prisons where Peter Fuzz is trying to work on their mental health they say it can't be fixed once you're attracted to a kid it can't be reversed it can't be stopped addiction, coke addict, gambling addict you can't stop yourself but for Peter Fuzz they can't stop the thoughts of it so for me because they tried castrating Peter Fuzz in America but it didn't fucking work they started using other terms so for me definitely but would they bring the death penalty back if politicians are involved potentially because they could end up getting killed themselves well yeah yeah I mean I I'm not coming from that position but where I am coming from is they would have to be removed completely from society we can't allow them to be walking amongst us Barry Bennett our perfect example Peter Fuzz footballer we're talking hundreds of kids right and they just he's just omitted another 9 charges on top of the 50 that he's already serving time for right yeah could you ever trust that man out and about amongst us again do you know what I'm saying they say one in every street so that's one in every street there's one here on this street I think we've got to think this is we're getting tricky territory now right because I think this involves a major major conversation that we actually have to have not necessarily you and I but the world because we need to be honest here and that is men any men I would say the majority of men who are straight who are attracted females are highly attracted to youth they're attracted to youth right which is why like Britney Spears remember when she came out in all her school going in for that really took off is that whole thing isn't it the sexualisation and men are very attracted to that and a lot of it is it's perfectly natural because obviously a young female full bloom she's fertile this is a natural instinct but we have to be honest about how many men are attracted to young girls and we're not honest about that do you think the age of consent well the age of consent in Britain was 12 and 1800s 12 do you think the age of consent at 16 should be maybe taken to 18 or do you think it's OK as just now difficult I wouldn't raise it but I definitely wouldn't lower it either and I've actually spent the last probably 10 years from one TV and radio debate to another up against people fighting very hard to lower the age of consent they've all got the same agenda because obviously if you look at age 14 some people want the age of consent before what fucking hell man what country is this UK our nation yes I mean this is not if you look at the people who are involved in the pedophile information exchange which was most had most of its power probably from the 70s on words 80s 90s they had funding from the home office in the 90s those people are still around in fact one of the members of the pedophile information exchange is the treasurer of Edinburgh pride yeah so these people are still around these people are still around and they're still in our environment they're still bringing pressure to bear on reducing the age of consent some of them are academics and they look very very professional as they're talking about the importance of giving children their own autonomy so I would keep as 16 arguably neither male or female certainly females are not ready to deal with the emotions that come with the sexual relationship at 16 that can be problematic you're still grown as a person you're still going through changes you really are I don't know if I would raise it to 18 though but porn's 18 is it what is there a different age for porn and sex so porn's 18 but you can have sex at 16 me personally as I said I've done one debate after another about this and some of the people I've gone up against and you have to wonder what their agenda is when they're prepared to take it out anybody that wants it longer than 16 has got to be an agenda that they're fucking pedophile themselves absolutely well you only have to look at somebody like Peter Tatchell is a very very very well known campaigner and he was originally involved with Stonewall and a lot of LGBT rights well Peter Tatchell is most famously famous now for talking about how sexual relationships between adults and children isn't necessarily harmful you know I'm paraphrasing him but he's going into schools and talking to children about sex education and this is somebody who is pushing constantly pushing and these people are pushing to create more vulnerability for children because obviously if you can reduce the age of consent then these rapists can rape these children and it's not illegal so obviously it's all about you know and anybody who tells me that a child because the whole big push in schools at the moment is to do with queer theory and that's where a lot of the information is coming from it's an academic principle which believes that children have their own agency well no actually children don't have their own agency children cannot consent to sex at six same as transgender male and female some kids are getting operations as young as 10 person I believe be who you want to be and if you feel you're somebody else and somebody else's body listen as long as you're not hurting anyone do what you've got to do but if you're younger a young kid who can't make their own choices then I don't agree with that well this is a massive issue for me I mean I've spent I have a production company so we spend a period of time building up different films so we have two films which have been building up over a period of time our most recent one is about the whole coronavirus thing but we've had a transgender transgender doc which has been ongoing since March 1 2019 and that was the first day that I filmed a court case or rather the end of the court case which involved a transsexual called Miranda Yardley Miranda is great Miranda is a man and is absolutely perfectly well aware that he's a man and that will not will probably quite insulted if you start trying to call him she or her or anything and it's fought for the fact that people can be whoever they want to be but biology still is biology right if I'm dead and they dig me up you're still going to see I'm a female right no matter what I do to my body externally right it's just the way it is so I've had a lot of issues with the whole transgender agenda and just to be very clear I come from a hippie family I've come from raven in the 80s I'm perfectly used to calling men sister or girlfriend none of those are an issue to me right James the issues to me are where we are now and that is we're in a place of compelled speech where it's become a legal issue now if you miss gender so if you suddenly announced to me today that you're a woman and I refuse to refer to you as she or her you can report me for a hate crime and I will be that will go down as a hate crime so that to me is bolex right because that's compelling us to I mean we've never had a situation ever in this world where because they say this is a civil rights issue no it's not because there's no civil rights movement that has ever demanded that I ignore the evidence of my eyes right and that's what this is doing and it's very very dangerous and the last two years have been really problematic because they're trying to push through a law to do with the gender recognition act in which you can self-id and what we are discovering is that more men than women are choosing to self-id and that literally not changing anything about themselves but saying they're a woman and demanding access into women's spaces we're talking the female estate in prison right so Karen White man suddenly becomes a man gets in the female state is a sex offender you know sexually attacks the women in the female state so I don't know what you do or don't know about women in prison but like men in prison we are probably talking about some of the most vulnerable members of society I don't need to tell you this you know what I'm talking about we're talking about incredibly vulnerable people you don't need a rapist who claims to be a woman put in with the women so he can rape freely and this is what's happening men are getting access to women's refuges women's sports we're suddenly setting new records for women you're a man but neither do I so I believe in people absolutely being able to express themselves people not discriminating we should be much freer if you want to wear a dress wear it it's not an issue right we shouldn't have any issues like that men want to wear makeup but where we are now we have a gender lobby stonewall gendered intelligence mermaids these are three organisations that are very dangerous and detrimental to young people mermaids alone which is the gender organisation for children the CEO took her 16 year old son to Thailand for an operation that was illegal in the UK and is now illegal in Thailand and came back with a daughter right and that's the CEO of mermaids advising children about being transgender starbucks created a cookie and I can't remember 149 or whatever and they are I think it's giving up to 50,000 or 100,000 mermaids anybody who gives to mermaids I'll say it straight to me mermaids is a child abuse place Suzy Green goes after people Suzy Green is the CEO she goes after people who have said that but I don't give a shit about that James because these children are being indoctrinated once you it is now shown quite clearly in studies once you start children on puberty blockers they hardly ever go back but if you don't start them on puberty blockers puberty blockers obviously it's not pausing their puberty it's destroying them doctors are now a 32 I think it's 32 staff from Tavastock which is the clinic that's doing this have left over the last three years saying children are being put on a conveyor bell being pushed through this system right and you have to ask why there's a lot of money to be made to look at who's pushing these agendas some of the most powerful men in Hollywood have become women the two brothers who made the matrix they're both women now yes Lily and I can't remember their names but they both claim to be women so they might know what the matrix are people watch the matrix is where and they're so ingrained and think it's the truth the world well both those brothers now wasiski brothers or whatever people can trace this but they're both now claim to be women so these are incredibly rich they're part of the agenda you see and when I say part of the agenda because they are this will show you this is one sentence which tells you everything so this whole thing that's been going through Parliament about whether people could be self-id and have it recognised in law there's been a lot of people have come out against that I've campaigned against it I've worked with etc etc we're waiting for the results of that now they've delayed it because and this is why they've delayed it because all of a sudden Google, Disney, NBC major American media broadcasting companies have petitioned the British government to introduce self-id in this country what the fuck are these major American media companies doing getting involved in British politics right and that's what I say is because there's a lot of powerful people involved in these organisations and that's what they want they want to create so would you think the outcome has then tried to promote that's all the time like Bruce J and our sex changes absolutely well obviously some people talk about transhumanism as one example but I think it is to create this sort of society where there's well first of all it makes it incredibly vulnerable for children it makes it incredibly vulnerable for women because if you can't name your sex class how can you have any laws around it you know what I mean look don't get me wrong here James right and that is not every man is a rapist but the vast vast vast majority of sex crimes are carried out by men vast vast vast vast we need to be able to name that in order to be able to solve it but now we're getting situations crime stats where men are being called women and it's going down as a woman's crime a friend of mine made a video called these are not our crimes available on youtube but it's an 18 so people have to sign in shows I think approximately 72 men who claim to be women after they were after or during they are committed for very very serious crimes you cannot we cannot lose sight do you think it's a loophole then it's a massive loophole so again in America I think so for pedophiles they're trying to bring a law out that so if you're gay straight whatever they're trying to bring a law out that if you're attracted to kids then it's just a sexuality no no we can't be well that is there's a pressure for that I don't know whether that's actually a law but there's a pressure for that and that is definitely taking place and what they've done is they've normalized it they've increasingly normalized it and there's a couple of issues that I have at this moment and that is I don't know if you're familiar with maps maps is the rebranding of pedophilia a minor attracted person minor attracted people these people are all over twitter you can be a map on twitter with and actually I can I can show you I can show you accounts where you put in your biog the age range of children that you're attracted to it's on twitter I'll show you you can do that you can have conversations about the sexuality of four year olds and how they're a bit too young for you or a bit too old for you you can't recognize biological sex on twitter if you say a man is a man and a woman is a woman you're getting booted off because plenty of people have but you can be a pedophile so there's a number of things that there is pressure that's like I say in this all these people are all part of pressure lower the age of consent rename pedophiles as maps and now what we have is academics who are giving talks about how pedophilia is a sexuality you've got Ted talks on this now right so they are normalizing this and obviously the moment that you make pedophilia a sexuality you're in trouble because think about all the protections that come with sexuality we absolutely do and must always protect people who are heterosexual people who are gay people who are bisexual right you must protect people's sexualities you know it's not protecting child abusers do you think that's the root they're trying to go down though 100% do you think so I don't think people are as much as the world can be manipulated and people can be manipulated with news I just hope that people stand together with that do you know what I mean but people are so manipulated people are so easily brainwashed they call TV a program for a reason it programs your brain that's the start of getting down that route to protect those because they know it's coming on top the elite pedophiles know it's fucking coming on top it's stealth as well remember that it's done by stealth if we suddenly went we want pedophiles to be seen as a sexuality out of nowhere nobody's having it but the more you introduce different things drag queens story time where you bring drag queens in to read completely odd stories to children that they you know dressed up, very sexualized, twerkin for children you're constantly lowering boundaries you're not anti drag queen you're not anti I've got again I've grown up I'm all good with that momentarily but your opinion on that as you think they're doing that to sexualized children lower the boundaries all part of the same thing it's all part of the same movement but for drag queens as well there's more there's probably more like teachers there's so many pedophile teachers that you don't know but they're not drag as well do you know what I mean so how do we pick and choose what's right and what's wrong well and this is the difficulty because if we've learnt anything over the last 10 years is how much adults pedophiles gravitate towards children's pursues whether that's children in sport or whether it's schools or whatever it is and it's really awful because I love children I love the energy of children and there are lots of people like me and people like me who love children and love to be around children we're now in this place of you know I don't want people to have those ideas do you know what I'm saying about me and that's awful because Myra Black the one of the MPs from Black School Mari I mean don't even get me on her she get fucking slaughtered and she deserves to she deserves to she's the one in Scotland I think she referred to women who question self-id as Jeremy Hunt's yeah you're an MP and you want to start to rather than ask why are we saying this and here's the odd thing they want to try and portray the women who have come and men because men have joined this now obviously women were on the front line of dealing with this suddenly men who were calling themselves women look what's happened we can no longer say that women have cervix I mean Rosie Duffield an MP has been piled on over the last two days on Twitter saying that only women have a cervix because we now have to say individuals have a cervix but we don't have to say individuals have a prostate we can still say men have a prostate why because it's men it's transgender very powerful transgender men at the top of this heap who are pushing to erase women they want to erase women because they want I'm a woman this is what's going on so you think it's all planned for the first step making everything sound as if it's okay and then normalising everything people think it's okay so when things new laws do get put in place people don't seem to bother as much and people don't and the problem is most people are on the hamster wheel whether it's a nine to five or however you work your life but for the most part people are earning just having to keep going on a continual rotation just to stay in the same place so a lot of the times people don't have time to look into this in any great detail but this is my job my job is to look into this stuff in great detail when you started doing the BBC stuff I know you spoke about the statue because all around the UK this year statues have been getting ripped down and rightly so some of them yeah do you know what I mean but the one at the BBC can you talk about that absolutely that's an appalling I did a recent video about that that's the one I watched today and that video was oh I can't remember who's the remind me of who did it that's it Eric Gill Eric Gill was a pervert artist and after his death I think it was at the end of the 80s his diaries all came out and it became clear that he'd been having a long term relationship with his sexual relation with his sister that he'd abused both his children certainly and he painted his children the nude and all awful stuff like that well that is the man who created the statue which stands at the entrance a broadcast in house you've got the radio part it's actually the radio part that it's in but behind that is the main BBC now because obviously since it moved over from west London it's now in central London and that Eric Gill statue is of I think it's Prometheus but the point is it's an image of a little boy a nude boy you know you can see his little penis with a man and we now know that the man who carved this was a pedophile the BBC with its history of covering up pedophilia right Jimmy Savile was not a lone wolf in all this right couldn't have been you for that degree to have been enabled we're talking about a huge enablement that would have taken place and we know that anywhere we know that you know children talk about producers who pushed them in rooms in all manner of stuff we know all that was taking place but the BBC has a outrageous history of child abuse that statue has to come down James because that statue you walk down Portland place and it's the first thing you see and it literally is like some sort of tribute to the pedophilia that has taken place in that broadcasting you know building and so you know that to me that has come down that is a scary thing it's so thrown in front of your face that people don't know in plain sight one of the things you spoke about which interested me because it's my home town well not my home town but I'm very close to it it was a dumb plane shooting from Thomas Hamilton 1996 or 16 kids were killed you spoke a lot of detail that there's more to that story than first fought and I was very intrigued by that can you explain this I was fascinated by myself incredibly blessed because I've built up a reputation for having integrity I do have integrity that's important to me so people trust me and I've had two young actually three now I think who were all in classes with Thomas Hamilton and they talk about how there were so young boys at the time because he used to run sports clubs and everything, I always did everything he could again to be near young people he do things like make them take off the top and run around like bouncing their little boys with their little nipples and stuff like that and he'd make comments on them and he'd do all that kind of stuff so I've managed to gather a lot of quite rich information from people who were there so Thomas Hamilton what we knew about him was and even the files that came out after the shooting anyway so as you say 16 children and their teacher killed I think 15 were injured he was also dead he was somebody who had huge interest in guns the story of Thomas Hamilton has yet to be told his files are sealed for 100 years we know that he was highly liked that he was a paedophile certainly he had paedophilic interest no doubt about that but he was also it would appear that he was very associated with people in Scottish establishment and one of the military schools that he was associated with Prince Philip, the Queen's Husband was the patron for just one example there was a great deal of rumours about involvements to do with Tony Blair but Thomas Hamilton the official story obviously as he went into Dunblane lost his mind killed these children and their teacher turned the gun on himself turned the gun on himself and then of course what then happened is we then had the new gun laws so Thomas Hamilton's act brought in the banning of handguns in the UK quite significant eh and as I say the files sealed for 100 years it's not uncommon for files to be sealed exactly now that is the most common and sometimes they get that but they're not downgrading this and so there is obviously the suggestion that we are talking about people in both the English and Scottish elite who are named in those files and who are being protected in 100 years time we're not going to be here are we so why is that allowed to keep files filled at 75 years or 100 years is that a big major cover up as well for it's not supposed to be and actually again I always try and find what would be their rationale for that rather than just look at it as being conspiratorial try and find the rationale for it now you've got to sometimes there's information in these files which could compromise on national safety individual safety of people I understand all that makes absolute sense but when you're talking about a situation like Thomas Hamilton where the perpetrator is dead anyway right this is of national interest we should all know exactly who he was associated with you know because look I'm not saying that you can always judge a man or a woman by who they're associated with because I don't always think that birds have a feather flock together you know sometimes I could have a picture taken with somebody why I've only known five minutes but that picture could go down everybody could say she's known that person forever and they're this do you know what I'm saying so sometimes it's quite difficult sometimes you end up in the company of people who are unsavory and you don't necessarily know that and you get caught out but we are talking about a man whose actions not only blighted the lives and devastated the lives of children and families but new laws were enacted because of him this is serious this should this impacts us all we should know the details of it so it's a curious situation but I'm still receiving more information about that Do you think M.K. Otter was a player there? Well some people do say that and again we should remember that that is a legitimate thing you know that the CIA used to use and that is a legitimate programme that has been used for many decades That's what Barbara Oher again says they used that Aston Hall they used to use M.K. Otter where the control in the mind when you're telling the kids what you're doing they were forcing the kids to walk off cliffs I mean none of that surprises me it doesn't surprise me and I wish it did I wish I said get away with you Do you ever get scared that the stuff that I'm not too deep into all that stuff because I'm going to be honest I don't really know enough about it to be I mean I don't have all the information but when you do start speaking I do speak to a lot of people but it's nothing concrete for me but the information that you do get it doesn't mind fuck you it becomes draining doesn't it I mean to see all this information and people are so 95x fact on a Saturday night bottle of wine but when we're hearing all the other stuff that I've spoke to Barbara Oher, Stephen Smith who was the boy in the cellar who also went through Aston Hall because I've got kids myself and you think fuck me man did this stuff really gone it's scary are you a survivor yourself Sonya? Yes I am, I am and you know when mum died a distant relative was allowed to get too close to me and I was abused and that was one of the reasons why I attempted suicide on two occasions so my life was hell and you notice when you asked me about that period I went from 11 to 18 but I didn't want to touch on it I don't mind because I'm completely open I wanted to touch on it because this is what drives you to get the answers because maybe nobody fought your corner back then so you know what it's like to try and go down that route and get the answers is that what you think you get your strain from? I think I have a deep sense of injustice which rages through me and I think that's for a number of reasons one yes because I was abused because we were also seen as that sort of shame for family so I carried shame anyway and we were impoverished so I had all of these things so it's like I often say this is not a career it's a calling I think that I was crafted I think we all are but it's just whether you want to be in tune but I feel I was crafted and I feel that everything that happened to me was completely relevant there's nothing I've changed now it devastated me and that contributed to my breakdown but I wouldn't even change that now because it gives me such a layer of empathy towards people who have been down low without a voice you can't buy that stuff you can't become that stuff that's learned behaviour is something that you know so that informs me definitely and that's why I want to touch on it because that is where you get your strength because you are a fighter it's like sometimes we need to go through the bad shit and we're like to become the warriors the light warriors, whatever you want to call it to try and do the right thing because we know how fucked up it is to be in hell and I'm myself and Cody's been in hell not just one time but many times and I've been blessed to eventually get myself out of it it still worries me that you could potentially slip back or whatever negative thoughts or bad days but I believe I'm on a path as well and I don't know what it is I just love what I do man and like yourself you try to get answers you're on your path but the stuff you uncover is a lot deeper than what I do I'll speak to someone who's done this I'll try to uncover maybe every month or two you're probably every day 24-7 but I do have a line now because where you are is you're going in deep on the survivor stories and the detail there I can't really do that too much these days because I did that probably solidly for about five years where I immersed myself to understand what was going on on the level of survivors so I don't know if you notice now but generally I tend to focus much more certainly on the crime but on the perpetrator rather than what was perpetrated on the because no the root of it is really important and all of that but some of the detail that we hear on YouTube and everything some of it is a bit like it all feels a bit too much and a bit too overwhelming I'm not talking about yours I've seen some videos and it's not usually professionals like you and Sean but there are some videos where people go into such extreme places that it almost kind of I'm not articulating this very well it's almost like it casts out on everything else because it just it doesn't seem to have the ring of truth and everything so I'm very wary seems about fake that people are manipulating and that's what Barbara warns me about that as well and I always go back to Barbara because she's a true survivor see I've not met Barbara she's amazing when you love her and she's been speaking out quite a lot I need to be careful as well because my platform has grown and I don't want to tread in toes I don't want to bring somebody who's maybe tearing lies and the fact that it scares everybody else people coming forward that's not my agenda I've had over a hundred guests I'm going to get people tearing lies making mistakes that's the case I'll be the first one to hold my hands up and say sorry but I want people to tell their story from their side but I need to be careful now as the platform has begun to grow with that I don't put people off or I don't I'm not giving other people to spread their own agenda and bullshit as well so I need to be very careful and you know that yourself it's very difficult because survivors by their nature can be problematic like one of the I remember producer once saying to me I can't work with that man he said our colleague I was like well that often survivors have some addiction or another this comes with the territory and another producer once said to me I can't work can't work with her because she can't articulate very well I said she can't articulate very well because she's struggling to bring out what has actually taken place what has actually happened so you get different things sometimes really genuine legit people sound dodgy simply because of the experience they've been through and they're not able necessary to convey themselves but you do have to be careful and certainly you have to be very careful because you are building and you are becoming more and more powerful so people will attach themselves to you James and those people will also be people who may be a bit you know fucked up frankly and want the limelight that you could potentially bring to them right but that doesn't mean I don't want to tar everybody or start to get a sense who is legit and who isn't right you definitely will because I definitely have a six six sense now I have that anyway but again I need to be more do background checks a bit more maybe make sure they're above board and then do you know what I mean because I don't want to be used either but at Hamsman I'm not going to get it right all the time it happens even in mainstream media with all of the research massive research teams that they have to look into people's background before they step on a stage and it happens everywhere so yeah we've got to talk, I know we'll talk about the McCann stuff but the German suspect oh for God's sake so obviously what we had was in recent times Scotland Yard announced a press conference in which there was this stunning new suspect in the case of Madeline and I'm not laughing in any disrespect to Madeline just because the story is so ridiculous you've got to bear in mind times she's been missing there's been over 8,000 sightings right so this is not stuff like this is not news right there's always something and there's an ongoing operation grains which needs continual funding you know twice a year so it's advantageous to them to you know do a little cheerlead and bring in you know the British public to carry on supporting this but what they did was they had a press conference in which they said they had this you know new suspect German police were absolutely convinced that their man Christian Bruch knows currently serving time in a German jail for drug charges and he's also there's some confusion here but basically he was he was I believe convicted of raping a pensioner before he left Portugal he lived in Portugal for a period of time but he's also been done on drugs charges but anyway basically he's in German prison and he was originally appealing his sentence but he's withdrawn his appeal now but I've never seen a case where police and media are so determined to hang as many crimes on one person as they possibly can don't get me wrong this is a repugnant individual I am in no doubt that he is a rapist he does have a history of pedophilia he's a career criminal he's made life miserable for a lot and lot of people right but I don't see how he took Madeleine because this last week what we had was German police who said they were convinced that he was responsible for the death of Madeleine they obviously want to still keep him inside he's been in before though questioned over this hasn't he he's not new he's not new so you know he's this is the thing is that after you follow this case for a period of time you start to realise there's a rotation of storylines that start to keep you Is that just a prayer strategy to make more money? No it was the police who engineered this and pushed for this but what we now have discovered that there may have been something lost in translation so where the German police were saying before they had concrete evidence that he killed Madeleine it now turns out apparently that concrete evidence in Germany actually means only a suspicion a rumour well we've suddenly gone all high it's all over the headlines it's you know all over the TV and everything and I am very grateful to like LBC and various other places that I work for because they allow me to within the bounds of keeping it legal because you have to be careful but they allow me to explore the story a bit more and push that official narrative a bit more and LBC to their credit when this was all announced they said to me what do you think about it I don't believe it, it's a scape goat Gonzalo Amarol who was the original coordinator for the Portuguese police case he'd said last week last week last year April 2019 they're so determined to close this case they're going to get a German scape goat he said that over a year ago and then what do we have so it's because this is a whirlpool they named another German Peter Far before and the press had named him even though that wasn't who they were looking for but there are a number of reasons why they want this clearly the German police want to keep him inside and also Madeleine is the world's most famous missing child so any police force that solves what happens to Madeleine think about all the accolades and credits that would come to that police force that's amazing to solve but the Portuguese police they're supposed to be working together three police forces Portuguese police clearly not following what German police are following German police claim that Madeleine's dead and that they had evidence which turns out they don't now, many weeks later, after all the headlines have been this is the man Out of the millions of kids who go missing each year why was Madeleine so much in the press? Well they're their media man Clarence Mitchell who was actually he ran the media monitoring unit in Parliament before becoming Kate and Jerry McCann's again another parliamentary connection here and he's a very influential man Clarence Mitchell but he described all the publicity as a perfect storm so what you had were nice middle class doctor parents nice little blonde good looking girl holiday resorts, you know what I mean sort of sun, sea, sangria kind of thing lovely child perfect storm all coming together but there were still other things there were still other things going on in the background Why could I not get done with neglect then You can but Portugal work on a slightly different basis to the UK and Portuguese they charge on the higher the higher charge so there was a reluctance well there was a number of one not the police chief but I think like the prosecutor came out afterwards and said that they felt so sorry for the McCanns that they initially didn't want to prosecute them for that anyway for neglect and actually as time went on because there was a belief that somebody in that party knew what would happen to Madeleine I think there was a feeling that they didn't want to prosecute for something as small as neglect I say that like that when they actually could be prosecuting for The Reins List What's that you spoke about a few times I have, that was compiled by Dr Joan Coleman Dr Joan Coleman became quite famous in the 80s I think she was a a psychotherapist but she may have been a psychiatrist forgive me I often get the psychs wrong and Joan who I met before she died I went to her house she died last summer or summer before but anyway in recent times but Joan had become the professional who children who were said to have been involved in some sort of ritualistic behaviour were being sent to her she became quite well known as this and actually in the 80s they demonised her and said called it satanic panic and everything and they tried to demonise her but in the 90s it all turned around and it showed that actually her work had some real validity to it but Joan had compiled this list which is available online and it features many famous men and women and Joan compiled that list on the basis that independent witnesses from her children who were coming forward supplied these names and she would put them on at least two had to name these people individually before they made the reigns list but often times you'd get as many as five independent children who didn't know each other name these people well of course that's some evidence there and the same applied with Edward Heath Edward Heath most famously was named to Joan on a number of occasions and the thing that Joan had which I'd already become aware of but I asked her about it when I met her because I'd heard what appeared to be a scandalous rumour about Edward Heath and that was when he was said to abuse children obviously former British Prime Minister when he was said to have abused children he was said to have used something like a mechanical prosthetic hand because he didn't want to touch them himself so he touched them with this kind of prosthetic hand I asked her about that she said yeah that was that had been told to her independently by these children so she compiled the reigns list Joan is now dead but I met her and I trusted I can't tell you about the veracity of the reigns list a lot of very famous people from the world of acting celebrity media these are very well known people and far be it for me I don't want to create more victims than we need to inaccurately naming people as doing something creates a victim of somebody who may have nothing to do with it so I'm always reluctant about that Joan compiled it on the basis of independent reports of children who said that these people had been involved in their abuse and it's available online and it's scary to think so your whole outcome all these paedophile rings Epstein from Prince Andrew to Glen Maxwell do you just think it's a world wide thing? I do children are a currency the sexual abuse of children is a currency and we know that the secret services have for decades used children secret services covered up for Cyril Smith covered up the abuse of Cyril Smith that was going on we know that the secret services I've talked with agents who have told me this there's an agent in paedophiles in part of several actually including ex-cops and they were quite catagoric that one of the things that the secret services do is they have blackmail pictures of international politicians with children and they have these images and they blackmail them because that's how they can get support for various laws whether that's war or other laws and children are the currency and I'm in no doubt that that happens and has been happening for a very long time so going forward for the future watch our plans then you're going to keep fighting that's the major one so watch our plans well, oh gosh the thing is James is I'm not a big planner and maybe again that's my background do you know what I mean I live in the moment some people call me a commitment phobe in fact I call myself a commitment phobe because I do have difficulty planning huge times in advance because I'm here now me and you are here we're all here together and we're creating this and this becomes an entity in its own right so I try generally other than obviously I have to have dates for meetings but I try not to think too far because I like to be present it's really important to me and I do believe in that because I know how important that is they will be able to pick this up but there is an incredible atmosphere between you and I because it's real and it's real stuff and you can feel it that's spiritual that's spiritual that's one of the things I like about you because you're not just talking about the people who's dead now Ted Heath, Jimmy Saville they all get mentioned probably nearly everywhere that people kind of discuss these kind of topics but you talk about the people who are still alive to this day oh absolutely and we must there's one politician and of course I'm not suggesting I'm not claiming at this moment that this man is a pedophile but this is a man who has a history of being in places where he is covered and that is Keith Vaz and Keith Vaz is an extremely influential Labour MP who has been on various standards committees and Keith Vaz was involved with Lord Janna who was now dead and who was accused of abuse of children in Leicester care homes and they have this thing called Parliamentary Privilege which I talk about in pedophiles in Parliament so people feel free to find the film and you'll see what I mean so Parliamentary Privilege is basically where politicians can stand up in Parliament say whatever is they want to and questions cannot be asked and then it goes down in Hansard and that becomes the official record Lord Janna stood up in Parliament said these rumours of me being involved in the abuse of children they're awful, they're heinous all went down in Hansard of course and then Keith Vaz stood up and supported him because Keith Vaz was very good friends with Lord Janna's son when they all came from Leicester so this is a continuation of politicians, Keith Vaz we know was exposed on the front pages of having a taste for young Eastern European men but what we've yet to see, Keith Vaz was also somebody had contacted me because they'd put they'd done a petition about Keith Vaz this person lived in Leicester they did a petition to local Leicester councillers saying there is enough information on Keith Vaz allegations of potential child abuse that he should be investigated Keith Vaz was also one of the people that when the Edward Heath investigation started Keith Vaz took it upon himself to go after the chief inspector of Wiltshire Police who was carrying out the investigation, yeah why what business is that of yours mate Edward Heath wasn't even in your political party he was a Tory, what's this business of yours so Keith Vaz we know rather a lot about him certainly in terms of his sexual taste but there was also a Sun headline right and this is an open secret the Sun headline was about a politician who had a taste for young boys that they called ragamuffins and everything and the open secret was that Sun headline was about Keith Vaz, right so the point is this is somebody who is still running around in Parliament extremely influential and completely untouched by all of this and so I think it's absolutely I'm not claiming he's a pedophile I'm saying that there are sufficient rumours that they should be investigated, there are sufficient rumours this is somebody who sits on standard committees telling the rest of us how we should be conducting our lives right, so no I'm not I'm not, yeah I'm all for exposing anybody who's involved in child abuse, right, dead or alive but everybody goes after the dead ones because they obviously can't speak back there's no comeback no comeback at all whereas me I am prepared to stand in a call of law with any of them any of them, right whether that is oh who was the obviously there was the sorry James, the thing is I could do so many cases that sometimes the information just Harvey Proctor Tory politician he was loads of headlines in the 80s about how he was into spanking young boys and everything he portrayed him as a pervert and everything he was the one who was accused by Nick who was now inside after this guy Nick had come out and said that he'd watched Harvey Proctor killer boy in all manner of stuff like this well, so Nick is now inside because they said he was lying and everything and that killed off all the allegations about pedophiles in Parliament again that's in my documentary but Harvey Proctor is a perfect example because when you start to look through the records and look at to Harvey Proctor called a press conference right so he was accused of stuff be called a press conference which is quite an extreme response in a very very flash hotel and and he had his kind of like day in the press conference and and any allegations were him with dismiss but when you start to look at what was and wasn't allowed in court you have to start to worry because when they'd done a search of Harvey Proctor's home for example they had found school uniform with blood on it that never made it to court so stuff like that so somebody's like stand up and say I've been accused of being a pedophile and I will not have it and then everybody believes him and gives him a book deal and everything else like that but then there's this other stuff that you find in police files so to me I can't let up I can't let up what do you think happened to Joe Dando because with the information I get that she was going to expose pedophile rings high people and the music industry film people were still in the TV game to this day that she was that was a hit out now because she was going to expose a lot of big names that of course is the story that is the story whether it's true or not I will say to you as we are currently investigating actually and we've been given new information on Joe Dando which I can't talk about because we really need to get this legal in a very serious way but if what I've been told is true and when we release it it's going to change the landscape the official story is absurd what did they say? she pissed off some Serbian or something you'd come to her doorstep I mean none of that makes any sense if you look at the people who were around when she was found that was very curious right for example her friend who is a TV producer who lives two streets away happened to be in her street that day and I'm not making any allegations about her friend I'm just saying I don't think it was even necessarily portrayed about her friend being involved in TV but there's a lot of strange Clarence Mitchell who became the McCann's spokesman was one of the first journalists on the scene reporting from Joe Dando's death right so it's often the same people all again do you know what I'm saying and these stuff is curious to me when it's always the same people swimming in the same bowl what about Michael Barrymore stuff because I speak to Sue and Terry I know Terry's not well now he's back in the home I speak to Sue quite a lot who lost her son at Michael Barrymore's pool would you think the situation with that is Sue who was married to Stuart Terry's the father and it's Stuart Lubbock that is a scandal you know that S6 police have reopened that obviously they've got a new investigation of that now with a reward they're clear somebody there knows what happened to Stuart right I think what happened I mean that Channel 4 program I think was quite compelling they came back with a lot of answers to the outstanding questions that had taken place and that was because they've been this clearly what had happened to Stuart was he'd been anally rate with something I mean something at all fall had happened to that poor lad you know and we know that Barrymore left the scene we know that there was some clearing up of the scene there were certain things that were left behind that forensics later felt that may have been instrumental in the abuse and the attack on Stuart and I think there was like a poor plunger and they did obviously Barrymore's people and everything they were fighting this off and they said things like that Stuart had experienced his injuries once he got to the mortuary and all stuff like that not a doctor not a mortician but to my knowledge the body cannot become injured once it's dead do you know what I'm saying because it's no longer alive to respond to that injury body can't bruise after death do you know I don't think so unless somebody is going to watch this and go no actually I can give you this case that happened in Ontario in 1640 do you know what I'm saying but to my knowledge how Stuart was in the mortuary is how he arrived that occurred before he died and I don't think Michael Barrymore has ever really dealt with that head-on I know he says he has and ITV have constantly tried to rehabilitate him into the public again and he said it's fucked and I think he knows information that he may be too scared to do I think it was him that killed him I don't think so I think he knows what happened to him I think Stuart was held down and I think he was raped and he's died by that because he might not have just been raped by somebody's penis and that's the thing internal bleeding or something what was the cause of death I think it was something like that it was internal I don't remember exactly because Sue's amazing man Sue's tearing they've been fighting all this time to get their answers I believe the truth will come out in February no March March 20 years so isn't it time now you know and they've been allowed to maintain this silence that little group right all this stuff kind of just boggles my mind how law can allow you know you were there this man died in a very brutal way right how can law just allow these people just to just get on with their lives you know what I'm saying yeah it's crazy but hopefully they get answers because they are good people just before we finish up would you like to finish up on anything yourself I think so it's been lovely having you there I really enjoyed this conversation my absolute pleasure for anybody that's maybe a survivor or getting through the struggle it's maybe been abused and they're looking to turn to someone what advice would you give for them it's very very difficult I mean there are always survivor groups online and it's very difficult again if you'd have asked me this a few years ago I'd have regored off a list of survivors groups to send people to but bit by bit as you start to explore there and you start to explore where people are coming from it's very it's harder to start to recommend to trust I actually don't know how to answer that I mean put it this way if there's somebody watching this and they are so desperate to relieve something then please feel free to email me and I will endeavour to help to put you in touch with somebody who could help you because I do do that I do put survivors in touch with good professionals that I can vouch for good psychiatrists, good psychologists or just a decent councillor but a lot of the groups now are problematic because you just don't know where they're coming from because you don't know whether they've actually some of them have been set up to infiltrate the movement and create more problems or whether they are genuine helpers one awful position that we're in where people who are claiming to be helpers are now subject to all this suspicion but that's what the world has done to us Sonia, pleasure It has been an absolute pleasure Thanks for coming on and telling your story and getting your knowledge out there It's very much appreciated, I wish you all the best for the future Stay strong and keep fighting