 Next question is from will be will would you alter your advice for aspiring trainers to start their career in a big box gym due to industry changes caused by the coronavirus? What a weird time to get into the fitness space because of what's going on. Okay so when things kind of get and I do believe at some point we're gonna see things look more like they used to I still think going to a big box gym is the way to start as a trainer you're gonna have the most opportunities to work with the most amount of people to make the to learn the most to become the best communicator to be able to train the most amount of people or whatever big box gyms are the place to do it they provide you with so many tools with the equipment they provide you with all the marketing and the most practice it's the most practice it's the best place to go right now boy I don't know I don't know what that looks like things are kind of weird and up in the air I would say you know and I think this is probably something you're gonna have to do anyway in the future it's to learn how to build some kind of a virtual component to your business either to compliment personal training or that becomes the business your business itself but but yeah it's a bit of a weird time I don't even know if gyms are even hiring I don't know because I mean my thoughts initially because I would always refer people to a big box gym because like you guys said I mean it's the most volume you're gonna experience you can also watch other trainers and how they deal with all of their clients and what they're doing which is invaluable so online on that lines like I I'd also been a big proponent of finding somebody really respect that you know has a gym that still you know around and thriving and has more of a niche focus to it become an apprenticeship figure out something where you could or just shadow them and you know you know offer to sort of be an apprentice and learn as much as you can just kind of shadowing what they do but I don't really know like again the landscape is totally changed so I'm assuming that some of the more specialized gyms are probably gonna be you know survive more so but I still think that the the big box gym is the is the place for someone to start even if you know 50% of them close down and rates go up and traffic is down significantly it's still it still will be the the best place to get the most practice yeah and it's also one of the best places to be for an aspiring business you know builder I mean if you're gonna go I mean much of my business education came from working for a you know billion-dollar company and observing you know observing the systems that they had in place and how they navigated tough times like this so you know if any I don't think that Mark Mastroff is going to go broke from the situation by any means with regardless of how bad he gets hit or has to close down facilities he will figure it out right and if you have an opportunity to work for a leader like that and work in their one of their facilities a great opportunity to learn you know on many levels aside from just the amount of repetitions that you're gonna get because of the volume of traffic but also just watching somebody at that level that has had success operate their business so I still would steer somebody in that direction now the only way I would I would go kind of like towards what Justin was alluding to or I do see a lot of value in that you know if I if I'm somebody who has another career and I make an income already and I don't need to generate revenue right away and it's not a bad idea to go in turn for somebody or work for free first a great fitness leader that you have an opportunity to be around I mean Enzo was someone who took advantage of us like that right he saw an opportunity to come in provide a certain I mean take advantage like in a bad way I mean like he took advantage of a great opportunity right he saw that you know these guys I look up to in fitness I'm curious about this space I'm gonna come offer my services for free to depict their brand that's exactly what he did he came in and learned a ton and I think there's a lot of that and the kid wasn't in need of money so it wasn't like a negotiation of I need to make X amount of dollars he was purely here to get the experience and if you're in a situation like that I think there's a tremendous amount of value to go offer your services for free to shadow people that you think are very talented in that space now if you have to make a career change where you're like I do this job I make this much money and now I'm gonna go all in and try and make money in fitness that way might be really tough because working in a private box to scale your business up that would be really really tough for a lot of trainers to do yeah I just definitely don't think it's a good idea to go right to virtual I just I don't think that there's any sort of authority you're gonna be able to generate without doing it in person and you know like really spending time working on all the little nuances like person to person first because you don't understand that how are you ever gonna be able to coach that where you don't see all the angles yeah the best the best online coaches are ones that have worked with people in person for I really like what our good friend mind pump listener long-time mind-pump listener on our OG's Jonathan Alva we've watched him do oh yeah right he is a he worked for 24 for nothing he still is it still works for one of them but no take that back I know he's pivoted into his own business now but this way I mean he's been listening to my pump for five years and he's slowly integrated Instagram and YouTube videos and he's been working podcast now yeah and a podcast but he's been doing it while he was also working for a big box gym then he had established himself enough to then go private and do his own thing all while dabbling in the Instagram obviously I know doesn't generate a ton of revenue or any potential revenue probably for him right now but he's acquiring real estate in the virtual world while also working in the real you know hands-on world and starting to kind of scale in that direction I really like that strategy I like the idea of go get real hands-on experience in a place you're gonna get a lot of practice meanwhile you're getting your hands in you know the Instagram the Facebook the YouTube the podcasting learning all those platforms seeing where your voice is best heard you know maybe you're terrible on camera and podcast but then you're a great blogger you write really well so I would be dabbling in all those pieces of content those different mediums while also getting the real-life practice on on people that way because I think you're silly if you if you completely ignore virtual and you go all in on brick-and-mortar it just it's a very weird time right now to be betting that you know fitness is not going to dramatically change or shift you know in the direction of this virtual I think and I think Peloton and Mears and Tonals are all I think mine pump is an example of the future of what like fitness is starting to look like and it's it's definitely moving in this direction of digital streaming media and so even though that you need that hands-on practice like Justin's talking about I think also making sure that you're starting to acquire real estate on those other mediums to excellent