 coming up on DTNS why it might be illegal for you to embed that Instagram post autonomous cars might reduce crashes by about a third and where to position your speakers for better listening. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday June 5th 2020 in Los Angeles I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane. Drawing from Studio Cleveland I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer Roger Chang. And coming to us from St. Louis, Missouri Mr. Patrick Norton host of AVXL how's it going Patrick? I'm excited that I didn't jump into the opening at the wrong start at the wrong points. I'm good. Good man. Good. Thanks for coming and tell us where to where to shove our speakers. Hopefully someplace not anatomically improbable. I await with baited breath to find out. We were just having a conversation about leaf blowers and Wizard of Oz remastering and all kinds of cool stuff on Good Day Internet if you want to get that show. Become a member at patreon.com slash D T and S. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Doc. Go search engine CEO Gabriel Weinberg told Bloomberg that officials investigating Google for antitrust violations asked him about the idea of forcing Google to offer search alternatives on Android and also in Chrome. US state and federal investigators are examining Google's dominance in mobile OS digital advertising and other businesses. And this just breaking as we're doing the show. US state attorneys general investigating alphabet for potential antitrust violations are leaning towards breaking up ad technology from the rest of Google. That's according to a source talking to CNBC co-founder of Reddit. Alexis Ohanian resigned from Reddit's board of directors Friday. Ohanian said on Twitter he has urged the board to fill his seat with a black candidate. Ohanian also promised to use future gains from his Reddit stock holdings to serve the black community starting with a million dollar pledge to the know your rights camp. Ohanian's wife and daughter are black. Dropbox launched a private beta of a new password manager on Android called Dropbox Passwords. The app lets users create unique passwords store them online and then sync across devices using zero knowledge encryption giving only users access to those stored passwords. Amazon and Slack announced a new partnership under the deal. Amazon will offer all employees access to Slack's workspace collaboration tools and in return Slack will migrate its voice and video calling features to use Amazon's Chime platform on the back end. In addition AWS will work to better integrate services like AWS Chatbot and Amazon app flow into Slack. EA launched over 25 games on Steam previously only available on EA's origin storefront. Games include titles from the Dragon Age crisis and Need for Speed franchises as well as the new newly launched command and conquer remastered collection. Valve also plans to offer benefits for EA access subscribers on Steam expected to be available later this summer. All right, let's talk a little bit more about why everybody seems to be downloading Twitter. Yeah, according to data from both Apptopia and sensor tower the Twitter mobile app had its most global downloads and installs ever in the past week. Sensor Tower estimated that Twitter received more than a million downloads on both Monday and Tuesday. And Apptopia estimated that Twitter reached a record number of installs on Wednesday with 677,000 downloads worldwide, including more than 500,000 outside the US. Apptopia also reported that Twitter peaked at 40 million daily users daily active users on Thursday and Twitter also reported 31 million monetizable daily active users, which is the number that Twitter actually cares about the most. Yeah, that's their last earnings report the 31 million. So the peak of 40 million is sort of by comparison all those little bit apples and origins because they do the monetizable thing. And a lot of this is explained by people around the world wanting to know what's going on to the United States. As as things are moving more rapidly, their local news outlets may not be posting stories as fast as they would want. So they're wanting to see what's happening on Twitter, they hear a lot of people posting on Twitter and they want to see what those people are actually saying on Twitter. And I think that explains a lot of it but I also think those of us here in the United States are using it more. I use Twitter regularly. It's not like I downloaded it new, but I was using it in a much different way this past week, specifically on Monday when we had protests a mile away from here, and some looting happened. And I was keeping tabs on that all day because I knew the protests were scheduled and I was trying to see like, Okay, what's happening? Is it is this one seem like it's under control, etc. And Twitter, even though you have to sift through a lot of misinformation and exaggerations, was the best way to know, Okay, this is an actual video of what's happening. I know that that's in my neighborhood, and see what's happening minute by minute. So I imagine that's part of this as well. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I I've actually fallen off of posting on Twitter. Probably a lot of my followers are happy about that. You know, like a lot of just kind of silly stuff that I use Twitter for I just I no longer do because I don't know people get busy and we find other apps to do so but I definitely find that if there is some sort of major news events, and this, you know, the last, I don't know the last three months really are the most major news events that we've had in some time. Twitter is the place that I go fire it up and be like, Okay, what are people talking about? And then sometimes I have to go other places to get a little bit more context because Twitter. Pat, I wonder how you feel being in a different part of the, you know, the US for the first time and in some time and and how you keep up on the news. It's it's been interesting because the place I was we were sheltering in place for several weeks in the San Luis Valley in southeastern Colorado. And it's a part of the United States where technically there's like five people per square mile. And in reality, I think it's much lower than that because, you know, a third of more than a third of the population of Valley is in one town. And I bring this up because when you get someplace like that, a lot of what you find out is by actually physically talking to people who live there or who talk regularly to law enforcement because there there is a paper it comes out weekly. There is no huge Twitter presence. There is no huge. There's just not a lot of social media to keep track of stuff. And it was kind of an interesting moment because you're looking at what's going on with the state, you're trying to keep abreast of what's happening locally. You know, for me, at this point, the noise to signal ratio is or is so bad on Twitter, I find it incredibly frustrating. And I've just been easing back into it. Also, there's 82 towns in St. Louis. And I still don't know the name of 60 of them. So it makes it really hard sometimes to kind of track what's going on and where it actually Kirkwood, where's Kirkwood? I know where Kirkwood is. My grandmother lived there. All right, back in April, Mashable won a case against photographer Stephanie Sinclair. Mashable had embedded one of Sinclair's Instagram posts. And the judge you might think reasonably concluded that Sinclair licensed the photo to Instagram. That's part of the Instagram terms of service. And so the embed was essentially a sub license. But Monday, a judge ruled against Newsweek in a similar case with photographer Elliot McGuckin. That judge said that there was not enough evidence of a sub license granted when embedding. So ours Technica went and asked Instagram, what do you think should happen here? And they got a surprising answer. Instagram told ours Technica that it does not provide a copyright license to users of its embedding API. The company said their terms of service allow them to grant sub licenses. But that quote, our platform policies require third parties to have the necessary rights from applicable rights holders to embed. In other words, you need permission from the owner of an Instagram post to embed an Instagram post that isn't yours. This is likely not done yet as Newsweek can appeal. And there's precedent at the circuit court level. The ninth circuit court has ruled about something called the server test, which kind of sidesteps this whole sub license thing and says whoever runs the server delivering the content has the liability. So in this case, if you were using the server test, the judge would have said, well, Instagram is serving the photo and Instagram has the license for the photo. So it's fine. That is the judge in this case did not use the server test. I imagine Newsweek will try to assert the server test in its appeal. And that appeal is likely to make it to the second circuit appeals court, which might or might not follow the ninth circuit precedent on the server test. If it does, then this is kind of done and dusted. And the server test will likely be solidified as the law of the land. But if the second circuit appeals appeal to court, denies the server test, then you've got two circuit courts at each other's odds. And that's when you start to see a Supreme Court case shaping up. What a mess. Well, and you know, does Stephanie Sinclair have a have a case back, you know, in the mix? Given that clearly right now she won. And so yeah, it all it all depends on well no mashable one against her. Oh, Stephanie Sinclair. Sorry, you're right. You're right. Would Stephanie Sinclair be able to like relitigate? Yeah, I'd be like, hold on a second. Yeah, like how are these two things different? Sure. News or, you know, publication embedded one of my photos. I take issue with that. You know, what what course do I have? She may be exhausted, though, since she didn't appeal it because she did go to court. Yeah, that's true. It's hard to say. But the broader implication is for the time being now, Instagram's policy is you should not be embedding Instagram posts, which is against the way the web works, the way the web has worked until now has been by the server test. But Instagram also wants you to go to the Instagram app or the Instagram webpage, but only if the Instagram webpage is signed in. You know what I mean? They they what they they've been working very hard to try to force people into using their app, because their app is a shining beacon on a hill or or something. But mostly that that comment to ours technically sounds like a cop out. Well, you know what I mean? Like the quote to Instagram from ours technically to me just reeks of, you know, we really don't want to get involved in this litigation. So we're going to tell you something that is technically true internally that we've probably never published anywhere. And our embedding partners are going to be really pissed off at. Well, and they also want to keep their photography clients happy. And the photographers want this to not be licensable. They want people to have to get permission, which is why they're going to court over this. Well, guess who we haven't talked about in a while on this show? Broadcom. During Broadcom's quarterly earnings call CEO, Haktan said that a large North American phone mobile customer didn't say who just said, you know, just a big one, normally contributes a double digit uplift in revenue for Broadcom, which supplies parts like modems. Hmm. Tom said that Broadcom is now quote, not expecting to see this uptick in revenue until our fourth fiscal quarter and quote, he said Broadcom is is in on the device, but has questions about the timing. Apple happens to be Broadcom's biggest North American customer didn't say that's who it was. Just just might be an analyst have speculated that a new iPhone might be delayed from Q three to Q four. So wait a minute. Are you saying that Broadcom says one of their biggest customers is delaying a device and Apple is Broadcom's biggest customer. So it might be Apple that's delaying a device until the fourth quarter. I mean, I, you know, how would I know such a thing? It one, one might get on the case gum chew together. And I think it's somewhat obvious that that's what Broadcom is talking about here. And it's pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah. So and so it doesn't surprise me that an iPhone release that might normally happen in September is probably going to happen in October. And it means you that even if you do order an iPhone, a new iPhone in October might be harder to get might be unlimited, more limited supply. This is the fallout from disruption of supply chains and quality control that whole story we had yesterday about Apple not being able to send their engineers to China and maybe looking for alternative ways to do quality control because of that. That that's part of what causes these delays. So this is just this is actually some solid information, not just an analyst talking about sources, but but it's some solid information that like, yeah, it does look like there will be a new iPhone, but it will be Q four, not Q three, which is a tragic, to be honest. Two weeks ago, Sam Machovic from ours Technica wrote a story about Maxis business solutions. Of course, Maxis, the maker of Sim City, created Maxis business solutions in the wake of the success of Sim City to make simulators for business use. Chevron was one of the companies that engaged that division wanted Maxis to make a simulated oil refinery, not for training purposes, because it just wouldn't be safe to do that. But to help employees at a Trichman, California plant understand how the entire refinery worked to say like, look, we're not going to train you on every job here. But this gives you a sense of how these jobs are all interdependent. So in 1992, Maxis made a prototype game called Sim refinery. Librarian and archivist Phil Salvador tried to find a copy, but it seemed like it was lost forever. He found lots of references, but couldn't find the actual code until an ours Technica reader hearing about Salvador's efforts in the ours Technica article posted to the comments with an image of Sim refinery on a 3.5 inch disk that he said belonged to a retired chemical engineering friend. That poster called themselves post a bebop and promised to try to recover the disk. And after apparently some annoying extraction, did so. And on Thursday returned to ours comments saying that the code had been posted at archive.org as part of its playable DOS emulation. And you could now play the incomplete but existing game of Sim refinery. That game is available to play on the web now as much as you can. A lot of the buttons don't work because it was never completed. And Salvador himself has been streaming the game on his Twitch channel at twitch.tv slash obscuratory. I gotta say, I mean, not working in the refinery field in any sense. And I don't necessarily plan to. This is such a like cool way to learn something in a sense of, I don't know, somewhere that you would never have the opportunity to learn otherwise. Like I would like to play this. I want to know like what the company wanted to gain Chevron in this case by saying, Hey, play this game and then give us some feedback of what makes sense to you and what doesn't make sense to you so that we can be a better company overall. I mean, we are talking about, you know, gas and oil companies, but think of all the companies that might have done this and being a fly on the wall. Patrick, do you want to play Sim refinery? Partially, I mean, one, I've already opened the link and I closed it immediately because I'm supposed to be doing something instructive right now. But it's also, I was like, I was listening to Sarah and I'm like, Oh, you know, this is like the farm simulator and the truck diving simulator and the train. There's all these insane simulations of job scenarios these days. Most of them coming out of Europe where you're looking at it and you're like, Oh, that's just that's just and then 19 hours later, you're like, Did I just drive a tractor for 12 hours? I learned a lot. I tell you, I did try Sim refinery earlier today. You have to know a lot about the refinery for this to make any sense. And like I said, a lot of the editing buttons don't work. You can't go and change the refinery. You really can only re control it. And none of the buttons make any sense to me. But I imagine if I worked at the refinery, these would all be terms that I was familiar with. Yeah, folks who do know about it, say it's really fun. Like you can, you can, you know, see how things are interdependent. And if you do something wrong in one place, it explodes somewhere else. And it's it's like you said, Sarah, it's all for like, helping people understand how they're how their roles interrelate. And that's a cool idea. I just having worked so close to it, I just want the chance to understand like some of the different sections and what they were doing when they were glowing at night or not on fire in Richmond. Yeah, yeah. Well, speaking of not on fire, hopefully a study from the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety estimates that autonomous cars could prevent about one third of US car crashes if all cars on the road were autonomous. Autonomous cars will be better at identifying hazards. They can react faster. They won't suffer distractions that humans suffer. The problem comes when events happen too fast for even a computer to react to such as a bicycle unexpectedly varied into a car's path. We know all about that story with Uber back in Arizona. Autonomous cars are not expected to be able to prevent all errors or misjudgments like that. But a group of autonomous vehicle makers called Partners for Autonomated Vehicle Education pointed out that the study assumed that humans could alter car programs to break traffic laws, which accounted for another 38% of crashes. Yeah, so the people who make the automated cars are saying, oh no, it would if you actually make sure that people can't like change it to speed, then it's going to prevent two thirds of crashes or more. And the Insurance Institute is really just looking for like what's the way we can reduce payouts, which means they want to get it accurate. They want to get they don't want it the number to be too high or too low. So I tend to trust the Insurance Institute. But that is that is a controversial assumption to say like, you know, will will we be able to have our autonomous cars go faster than the law allows? Or will we be, you know, prevented from that? Well, even if I own the autonomous car, will the car go, no, no, I can never go more than 70 miles an hour because that's the speed in this zone. I think that's a question in some parts of the United States. Well, if all the cars are autonomous, I guess it wouldn't. But while it's mixed, it absolutely could. Yeah, you're right. And they were also taking taking the the more forgiving assumption of all the cars being autonomous, which, of course, won't be the truth for a long time. Yeah. Yes. No. OK. Everybody's like, I don't know. I was seeing this spun negatively out there and and I was like, you know, they're saying like, oh, cars won't be able to prevent autonomous cars won't won't prevent 70 percent of crashes. I'm like, yeah, but that's still a third. That's that's I'll take it, you know. I mean, listen, yeah, it's I feel like we're we're so and we talk about this all the time on the show, we're on the precipice of this being the norm, but we're not there yet. And so, you know, there's still this this ongoing conversation of like, well, is it just safer to like keep it as humans or are the robots going to start, you know, making really bad mistakes on the road and and we as humans will suffer? And and all the research shows that, no, the cases that autonomous cars are going to make us safer, but it's still a very it's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people because it's going to change life. Yeah, it's also I mean, a lot of the autonomous car companies have grossly exaggerated the current state of how effective their autonomous driving systems are. And that's been kind of interesting to watch, because what you hear from local news reports or locals who live in the area who interface with these autonomous vehicles when they're being tested sometimes doesn't jive with the claims that they're making when they're talking about how in two years our car will do everything in people in in Phoenix or like, OK, but no, because look at what's actually happening on the road where you only have fully autonomous tests even happening in Houston with new autonomy. And that doesn't involve carrying people that involves carrying groceries and Phoenix with Waymo in a very limited case carrying passengers, which isn't even happening right now during the pandemic. And and look at that, look at the results, don't look at the promises. If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. Well, I know a lot of folks are spending a lot more time listening to things at home. And obviously, you know, having good TV is a part of of watching stuff when you're in lockdown, even as lockdowns easier, you're probably still going to be spending a little more time at home than you used to for a while. So we wanted to improve your audio as well. If you got some speakers, Patrick, maybe you got new ones or maybe you just have old ones. What are some tips on how to place them to get the best sound? Oh, my goodness, it's I was giggling when we were talking before the show started because there are some people that have gotten sort of, you know, they're using like creation formulas to describe, you know, the artistic ideal for your speaker placement and how it's going to create magnificent and mostly, you know, sound is a lot more physics, I think than art. But one of the things with speaker placement is it's it differs in every room because every room is different. And, you know, the worst possible place to listen to speakers is them like shoved up against a wall in an empty room with nothing on the walls, no carpet on the floor because you have sort of the worst echo chamber on the planet. So I'm going to assume you have some furniture, maybe a carpet. You've got some stuff up on the walls. A real simple equilateral triangle is the kind of the best place to start, especially if you're on a desk. If you can just get the speakers so that, you know, your head is one corner of the equilateral triangle and one speaker's here and one speaker's here and then toe in the speakers towards your head. Some speakers, they don't want to be toeed in. The manufacturer may have recommendations on that. They'll be too bright if they're pointed towards you, but they'll be perfect, you know, if they're kind of, you know, perpendicular to you. But, you know, you want to start kind of with an equilateral triangle. Ideally, your seat would be in the middle of a room if you're setting up speakers in a room, probably not practical if you have a desk. But one thing you do want to do wherever the speakers are, you want to try to get the tweeters at your ear level and you want to make sure there's nothing between you and the speakers. I laugh because a friend of me was like, I'm having trouble hearing the right channel. And I was like, well, that chair is between you and the speaker. And he said, well, I can't move that chair. I'm like, you're not really going to hear that right channel because all the audio is going into the side of that chair. And it sounds silly when I say that out loud. But, you know, one of the great battles is between speaker placement and not being thrown out of your house by the other people who live there. You know, it's, you know, a friend of mine refers to as the spousal acceptance factor, but he's gender-specific. And I actually had a really great email several years ago from a woman who was like, stop saying wife acceptance factor because it's me that's buying the speakers in this house. So I've since been referred to as the spousal acceptance factor. But you want to get the tweeters at your ear level. And if you can get stands, if you have little speakers on your desk, if you can elevate those speakers, it can often make a huge difference. And, you know, make sure that you have stands under speakers. Unless they're, if they're floor-standing speakers, that's one thing. But if you have a bookshelf speaker or small speaker, getting it up off the floor, getting the tweeter around the ear level where you're listening makes a huge difference. The placement of the speaker in the room, you can experiment with this and it's often kind of amazing and alarming how moving a speaker six or eight inches can make a huge difference in the sound. Starting with the speakers a few inches from the wall and working them out till they sound good and then keep working them out till they sound bad. And then moving them back is a nice way to kind of figure this out. The closer you get to a wall, it tends to reinforce on some speakers or make the, you know, over, it'll either reinforce the bass and make it more solid or it will make the bass overwhelming and bloaty and awful. A lot of folks use what they call like the one-third or the one-fifth rule, which again, that I, you know, I have this room and it is my audio or home theater room and my seat is kind of in the middle and the speakers are like one-third or one-fifth the difference from the back wall to that's kind of like an ideal start. That's way too far into the room for most people and for a lot of living rooms, but that situation where you get them away from the wall can help create to help prevent creating things called standing waves that kind of make super important parts of the audio spectrum just go away because of the way that the audio is bouncing around the room. A couple of good places to look at Cambridge Audio, the art of positioning speakers is a nice walk-through on stereo speakers. They kind of give you some basic tips that I think are pretty solid. And if you're setting up surround sound speakers, the gold standard is Dolby's Guide to Surround Sound speakers set up where they tell you literally because it's math and science. They're like, they want this speaker 120 degrees from your head or 60 degrees and this speaker at 120 degrees and these speakers at 90 degrees. And that's because when you're creating surround sound, you kind of need the speakers to be where they want them to be or the whole thing doesn't work quite right. That sounds like good advice. I mean, as somebody who I had floor standing speakers with a center and it was a whole 5.1 and it was a beautiful setup. And as I moved to, I don't know, smaller apartments over the years, I kind of, you know, gifted them to other people and then went Sonos. And Sonos is very good about, you know, trying to figure out what your room situation is like. I also have, you know, like a dramatic A-frame in my living room now. So the sound bounces differently than before. And I think a lot of the speaker companies do have apps now where they're trying to help you figure that out. My question is over the years, always having a sub on the floor when there were people living under me was like the worst thing ever because I really like to blow that out. I don't happen to have that problem anymore. But what would be your advice? Like what do you do? Where do you put it? It really depends a lot on the, it depends a lot on the structure you're in and how solid is. If you're in an apartment building with concrete floors that are like reinforced concrete, they tend to absorb a lot of the base and maybe you put a pad underneath it and that kind of decouples the subwoofer from the floor and that helps, that actually helps isolate the sound somewhat. The problem is, is a friend of mine works for a company called, well, he started a company called the Source AV down in Torrance, California and they make amazing home theaters. Like close your eyes, imagine a Hollywood producer with too much money and a blank check and that guy builds those systems and to eliminate all of the base. Like when they have somebody who's like, it has to be perfect. They basically pour three feet of concrete and create this giant bunker and that eliminates all of the base from trucks going by or strains, things happening outside or planes going over. So it can be really challenging and a lot of it's for me when I lived in an apartment building that was made out of toothpicks and spit, figuring out like I basically put all of the speakers sort of at the far end of the one room and pretty much could only operate them when my neighbor was at work or out partying because he once complained that I opened the refrigerator and drank water and he's like, you can't be making this noise. And I explained to him that I actually opened up the refrigerator and I put a towel down so the cup coming out of the thing wouldn't wake him up and pour them and he's like, oh, it's just too much. I'm like, so you're telling me I can't drink water when I'm thirsty in my apartment. He's like, I really would prefer you didn't after 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, great. Tonight we're gonna have a demonstration of what loud is so we can recalibrate your needs and so that I can actually have a life that involves using my refrigerator. You see, see, yeah. Apartment life. This stuff really matters. It does really matter. It's tough. Also shout out to Sonos. They just released the arc which just came out as shipping actually in five days and that brings Dolby Atmos into one of a wider skinnier bar and that's pretty slick. But yeah, it's subwoofers are tough because those deep frequencies penetrate all the walls and drive all the neighbors insane. I'm sorry. Well, I mean, I am too. Neighbors of mine over the last decade plus. If you feel our pain, you can join our conversation or Discord which you can join by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's check out the mailbag. Oh, let's. So Steven wrote in and took me to task and I'm glad you did Steven because he said, I have a quick correction for DTNS 37.95. That was our show yesterday. Ben Gomes is my fiance's cousin. I just want to correct the pronunciation of his last name. That was me. It's pronounced like homes, not like Gomez as in Gomez Adams. Per my fiance, it's an obscure surname. Even in India and that's where the family is from. So easy mistake. I had not heard the name myself until they came part of the family. I, you know, a lot of people send in pronunciation corrections. We do our best and we usually don't pay attention. But when it comes from the family, you know, you got to get a small world. No, I really appreciate that because I was sort of like, I think I got it right, but I didn't and I appreciate that Steven also appreciate patrons at our master and grand master levels, including Dr. Carmine M Bailey, Mike Glofflin and Phillip Lass. And Len Peralta has been drawing during the show. What have you drawn for us this week, Len? Well, we were talking prior to the show, what a long week, what a long year this week has been. And we, you know, with the topic being speaker placement, I thought it made a lot of sense to address what's going on here in this country as far as messaging and hearing things. So that's what this one, this image is called is called speaker placement. And you can see there is a couple in front of a TV set that's watching the protests going on. And the gentleman saying the sound is crystal clear. Are you hearing it? And yeah, this one's a, this one is sort of a response to your show on Monday, Tom was really moved by that. And I wanted to do something personally for this as well. This image is available if you're a Patreon backer, it's there Patreon.com forward slash Len. I'm not putting this up for sale. What I'm going to say is if you would are interested in purchasing something like this, I would say take the money you would have used to give to me and give it to somebody else. Give it to another organization, which I have linked on my Patreon and also on my Twitter account. So there you go. I usually don't like to get political, but I felt there's no way around it this week. I think this is lovely. I don't think this is political. Len, you're showing what's happening. People are watching this. And you even tied in the main topic of speaker placement just to be extra clever. I think this is fantastic. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Also thanks to Patrick Norton for being with us from your bunker in the Missouri Valley. Patrick, let folks know where they can keep up with all of your work. Oh my goodness, got a couple of projects. Eventually when I get to my video gear, which is back behind boxes in that corner, I got a new thing coming up. But for right now, do me a favor, check out A-V-E-X-C-E-L.com, the home theater and audio show with Mr. Robert Herron every week. Excellent. Don't forget, folks, you showing support through all of the past three years since March has been amazing. And we thank you for that. 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