 Well, hello, everybody. Again, I am here with Dr. Debbie Hamilton, who's been a long-term friend and colleague and has been in our state for quite a while. I will formally introduce her in just a minute or two. Just a little background. If this is your first time tuning in, you can find us on YouTube at my YouTube channel. And we're just nearing 100 episodes. I think we're on like number 98 or something like that. So you can watch all kinds of other videos with wonderful professionals like Dr. Hamilton on lots of topics. Lots of them include Lyme-related illnesses and mold-related illnesses and all these chronic conditions that both Dr. Hamilton and I see frequently and sadly are increasing from our environmental changes. And from this, we were just talking before we got on here live about she is to live in my community and about the damage that's happened in Lewisville's Apiria and just how now the smoke and the wildfires, I'm definitely becoming more aware of those environmental toxic things. So we'll probably touch just a little bit on that because it's related to the air quality and that's a huge environmental piece of the puzzle. You can also find me on iTunes or Stitcher anywhere you find your podcasting and you can listen to all these episodes. It's just audio there. If you need any just free resources, I've got loads and loads of articles at jillcarnihan.com and you can visit drjillhealth.com for products. For full disclosure, Dr. W Hamilton works for research nutritionals, one of my very favorite companies that provide nutritional support. We're coming here with just great education for you but we may mention products because these are things that I actually use in my clinical practice and I told Dr. Hamilton, feel free to mention she's actually formulated a lot of these products and I really have the greatest respect not only for her as a clinician but also for just the fact that some of my favorite stuff that she's helped to formulate comes from research nutritionals. So we might talk about that. You can find them. You can find more information at their website, researchnutritionals.com but you can also find the products on my website, drjillhealth.com and of course I'll link up to those. So let me quickly introduce Dr. Hamilton and then we will jump right in. Dr. Hamilton is a medical doctor with a master's of science and public health. She treats hundreds of children with autism and ADHD. She's triple board certified in pediatrics, integrative medicine and physician nutrition. She attends events to speak about reversing. I've heard her speak all over. She's a wonderful educator and like I said just really what I love about you Dr. Hamilton is you have a humility and way of going about this that you certainly don't proclaim your own greatness but you are amazing and I really appreciate that. I really do like I have the greatest respect especially in these tough cases with children. You treat a lot of children. So let's start with I told you I love stories. So if you want to just share a little bit about how did you get into medicine? How did you get into especially like autism, ADD and your board certifications? Tell us a little bit about your journey to where you're at today. Right journey. Well I am in medicine basically because I was born with a heart defect when in a time where you know some of the heart surgery is really young I mean early and I had a female pediatric cardiologist and I was like oh I wanted to be like her. Wow. And so that's kind of because nobody in my family is in medicine or health or science or anything so it's kind of a but I wanted to think thought about my whole life. So I made research in nutrition and I did kind of my public health and so I've always been interested in nutrition. I had some my own health problems and family issues like most of us do who get integrated medicine and from Connecticut I had Lyme disease and it went into rheumatoid arthritis. Wow. And then I took one of the medicines and ended up with seminal infection in my blood and almost died. Wow. I was like okay. Was this for medical school or during like what? This was actually after I had my child so you know 20 years ago 20 plus years ago and then I have family members. I have family members with a lot of learning issues and ADHD and dyslexia and sensory integration and it was kind of like you know I used to joke that I kind of saw all the different kind of practitioners in Boulder like oh let's try acupuncture and let's try naturopathy and so I just finally ended up at the AHMA meeting and I'm like oh my god there are doctors like me. I felt like I found my tribe. Yes. And so I was like okay I'll just open a practice. I love that. Yeah and so often I don't know any of the great doctors you know in our realm in our world that haven't had a journey either personally or with loved ones where we've got a great medical education. I always say I'm very proud of the fact of my medical education in years too because we have this great foundation in a system that does a lot of good in trauma and acute illness or heart attack. However what we all come up against is these limitations of drugs and surgery right and so there's a place for them but then there's also places where there's huge limitations with chronic infections or psychiatric diagnosis like you mentioned or this complex basically I always think of it as like the infectious burden and the toxic load and there's a lot of talk about those two pieces of the puzzle and really unless you go deep and look at root cause there's not a lot of solutions with drugs right I mean they have their place but it's not the answer and it's not usually the cure so it sounds like your journey was very similar so then you can see these pediatrics kind of based on your experience of the child and then go into it. Absolutely I thought about family practice and then I realized that I really like kids and I really want to treat kids and especially the elderly I'm like I don't know so it just kind of is a natural fit and I one thought one point I thought okay I'll be a pediatric cardiologist yeah and then it just bit and then basically I kind of came into and I did some kind of holistic primary care and you know how to practice in Boulder so some of it came out and then I became much more of a consult so now I really just do chronic kids and in the 17 years or 17 plus years of doing this kids are getting sicker and sicker. I feel like we have so much more in our environment that is really affecting these kids and 20 you know 20 years ago you had a regressive autism and these kids will get you know you there's a lot of kids you're like okay they've recovered they get better and I feel like maybe it's a longer in practice the harder kids you get or the harder patients you know people refer you some of the patients that are you know the most chronic but I feel like you know and I hear that from my adult doctors too that people are just getting sicker and sicker. I could not agree more yeah I remember back again about 20 years ago when I started into integrated functional medicine and there'd be some with hormone imbalance or Hashimoto's thyroiditis and three months later they were better they didn't have to come and now it's just over and over these very adults as well but like you said the children are really bearing the brunt let's talk just a little bit because this is definitely going to be part of our conversation today um environmental toxic load um I agree that's the element in the room it is right we're increasing the kinds of we think the EPA is protecting us and it's not testing every chemical and the bigger thing is a lot of these are synergistic so there's thousands of combinations of chemicals and we know from the research um there's this biphasic curve where very low levels of synergistically chemicals can affect our hormones in a hermetica way that is not measurable in the toxicology literature right so there's these are completely different yeah so talk a little about environmental toxic load and how you see it playing into your life especially with these children with these children the other thing that you know from a pediatrician standpoint is if you think about a baby you know babies like what seven eight pounds so if you think about just the exposure based on body weight you know so things can be so much more toxic or just they're you know their detoxification pathways aren't mature right so not able to handle as much yeah so I think you have to think about then and you're also developing your growing a brain you know you have this whole neurologic system so you think about a lot of these chemicals aren't started studying for neurotoxicity yeah so I think you know that's added or you think about the exposure of pregnant women you know babies in utero and their exposure just in how that all adds up and I think like 20 years ago out of Canada there was a study on cord blood that showed 200 chemicals when a baby is born they tested the cord blood and literally the babies are born with 200 plus chemicals and this was two decades ago so I can't imagine how much worse it is nowadays um do you talk to uh do you ever talk to mothers preconception or um I do I don't know if you remember I did write a book like kind of like looking at um preventing the idea was I saw these healthy boulder moms and then I saw my kids you know the chronic autism and I started to look at the moms and their history and the moms were sick yeah you know and they all had autoimmune disease and asthma and all that other stuff so I think preconception I think preconception is very important and I do talk to moms about that or pregnancy because you have to have a mom to be healthy yeah think about anything in her body is going to be transferred to the baby yeah so let's talk about this in a second say we were talking to those listening out there and they are thinking about having a family maybe they had one child they want several more what kinds of things would you uh bring to their awareness on if they want to get pregnant and have a healthy baby because you and I'm sure agree that during pregnancy we don't want to detox a lot no absolutely no that always frightens me right yeah me too so what would you tell a mother to be about environmental toxicity or what she could do and engage with you um I mean one of the number one things I always talk about is organic foods um you know especially the whole glyphosate if you look at like the how glyphosate levels have just increased and some of the rates of some of our diseases including autism celiac all of this Alzheimer's so I think if you really I kind of go back and go you have to clean up your diet you have to eat organic foods you need to check your levels like what's your vitamin D level what's your iron you know zinc and what are you going into you know starting a really good prenatal and omega-3s then getting your gut in good shape the whole microbiome right when the baby's born they basically get all that good bacteria from the mom so the mom has chronic IBS or problems and the baby's going to start life with an abnormal microbiome essentially and then all the toxicity you know what are you putting on your skin what are you using to kill you know weeds in your garden you know but I really think about all those personal care products and like sunscreen and you know how much you absorb so really kind of environment gut and nutrition essentially great basics yeah great great things I remember um most of my listeners have heard I had breast cancer at 25 and so there's no doubt as I look back um and I'm in the midst of writing my my book which is a lot about my history I have my dad's chemical record he I was I grew up in a farm so oh about to say I know you're from the midwest yes the farm and literally we found his handwritten journal of the chemicals he used to the year I was born and it reads like a epipendium of the toxic endocrine disruptors and for those of you listening endocrine disruptors means they have hormone like effects on the body so for someone like a young woman breast cancer risk is definitely affected those breast cells get stimulated by chemicals that look like estrogen to the body and for me I literally like um atrazine was on there and there was oh wow yeah it was a form of atrazine which is you know absolutely a massive doctor chemical right here I talked to yeah yeah that's interesting I've had moms who've um had really severe pesticide exposure and had kids with autism we really couldn't look couldn't really find other things a lot of infertility you know you're right kind of the hormonal effects same thing and you think about 25 years breast kids with those cells started to do weird things probably at 15 or 10 like years before and I have yeah totally right probably when I think like I probably exactly I probably had exposure in utero like there's I don't have evidence but I just it's very likely that I probably had as who knows but either way it's interesting to learn because then we can talk to moms and and those kinds of things so I love that you started with organic food because a lot of this is from pesticides in our food supply I was just reading an article today from the Denver Post about PF AOs is that um the Teflon basically um right so these are basically permanent they call forever chemicals they don't break down and um and some of the companies I won't mention any names but they bought dumping these um things in our water supply and with the drought it's actually like they have finding traces and it's hard to get rid of they're very hard to get rid of I mean so when you mentioned that environmental working group study they found chemicals in babies cord blood that hadn't been produced in like 20 years and they were still you know so they weren't even actively used anymore but they're still in much an environment that moms are carrying them and transmitting the babies that always struck with me like oh my gosh you can't you're right you can't get rid of these yeah like age and orange is some of those way way old chemicals that um DDT and stuff that are really not around they're still in our environment maybe talk a little bit about for our listeners of what are these like persistent organic what does that mean because that's a big piece of the puzzle of the persistence of the systems why always think of um some of the persistent ones I mean some of the hormonal things but I think you know they get into our fats yeah you know and our fat cells and they're kind of stored there um and you know think about heavy metals and like lead and the bones and stuff so our body I feel like our body can only get rid of as much as it can and that varies by individual and so what I can't get rid of it tries to store away from circulation in some ways I think it's trying to protect us yeah by storing it but then you still have you know ongoing effects from it because you're still in your system do you have still have it in your body yeah kind of I mean that's how I think about it perfect because yeah and basically the ways let's talk a little about like we'll say you do think you have a toxic load which honestly we all do I take what I know I agree we all agree like to some extent um I'll give just a personal example um last year I had a little bit more mold exposure with a friend and so I've been detoxifying it I'm in good shape now but what I noticed just a year ago I would do sauna no problem 30 minutes pretty high temperature now if I do it I think my loads up a little because when I do sauna or any sort of thing where I'm pushing detox I will feel really kind of tired and not well unless I take the binders right away and way more yeah and what happens with those is we're basically sweating and excreting them from the tissues and they can actually go into our blood stream before our kidneys and our lungs and our liver really excrete them out of the body through the stool and the urine and the sweat so for my case for my example I was probably you know mobilizing them and yet not excreting them as fast as I needed to and I didn't feel well right I mean basically like a die off we consider like that die of reaction you know your body can't get rid of it you know what we see with a lot of our patients because their detoxification pathways aren't that good yeah why some people we can all be exposed the same thing and some people are really sick and some people are not yeah not as sick or they don't are not yet maybe right they may be right so I think about okay oh no no that's what I think about you say that the toxic load like a toxic load in one person you know they can tolerate it you know the people who are 90 and still smoke cigarettes and then but that's not the most of us right so yeah so genetics play a lot into this like you said and that's why some children need to develop autism or ADD or other symptoms or for me adults that develop auto immunity or more gut issues or neurocognitive issues or early dementia a lot of times those are the canaries those are the ones that are much more susceptible I'm one of those so it's almost like we talk about a bucket I'm sure you talk about this with your patients as well it's almost like we're all born with a capacity detox like a bucket and we all have different size buckets and when that bucket starts to fill up over our lifetime it starts to spill over the top with disease and illness and some of us have smaller containers so that it doesn't take as much for us to overload and spill over the top and we'll switch to next some of the things we can do about this but one of the ways that we we decrease load is if we can decrease that load in the bucket and lower the water level all of a sudden we create margin and once we have margin we can function and we can because our bodies are made to detox like we are right treated as detox organisms if we just help and assist in bringing that level down let's talk about things that some of your favorite ways say you have a child with autism that has a toxic load first of all maybe testing do you testing right yeah um you know in some ways like you said there you know sometimes you just kind of assume um I do have done definitely done different urine panels um you know for mold mycotoxin panels urine panels because obviously in a child urine is easier to get than blood yeah um so I do you know and it's also you know I always start if you start like I always you know like I've been telling you you start with nutrition and start with allergies and treat the gut you know and then kind of look into the mold and the chronic infections and the toxins so it's kind of as I go along um but do look at it but I've never when I've done the test I've never found anyone who doesn't have some kind of toxin burden so I feel like you know is that right um and I also look at heavy metals yeah you know and I do challenge tests and hair tests and all that stuff and I find a lot of that also done it myself you know I grew in the CDC food on the east coast I have mercury you know I just do grew up in old houses I have led yes so I love you for that because that's the truth too no matter who I test including myself I've never gotten a test as no toxin at all like I just you don't see it right so we know we're all swimming in this toxic soup and it's almost like like you said in the beginning I love that you talked about just clean diet organic diet I always talk about clean air I'm sure you do as well like how are we right right water water yeah clean air clean food because sometimes it gets overwhelming to either doctors or patients and like okay what do we do there's like 10 000 toxins in the environment and this toxic load and it can feel overwhelming not only to the patient but to the clinician and I always just think gosh let's start simple like you said I loved you start with just eating clean because a lot of it has to do with what you put in your body and if you can keep that in a good space like you're eating organic you have air filters in your home and workplace or wherever you sleep at least and you're drinking clean water just that alone is a huge thing to decrease burden and then granted there's other protocols that are more complexity toxified but if you're limiting what comes in your body that's a great way to start and it's not going to start and with you know with my population with kids with autism with sensory issues and eating issues that's not always as simple as you can think yes kids who come to me I'm like you eat five foods right and they're all white and so you know and and you really have to look at things and the organic and but as I said you can't get around that and the parents who who really can make diet changes and really kind of clean up the kids diet even if it's five healthier foods you know these kids do well or what I said when you put on your skin too you know if you're not so as I said I was trying to start with the basic start with the gut because I want to make sure that they're absorbing their food you know if you're giving them good food and also if you're kind of cleaning up their system at least to start hopefully they'll start to naturally detoxify I do do use glutathione I use things that do support the liver and kidneys glutathione is kind of one of my big ones yeah the first visit I probably don't because I don't know all of you and let's mention briefly because you're the research officials has a great product we've got to found that the best thing is a taste right right I wish I had that one but I didn't but we do have taste tests in the office so try fortify it's called try fortify let's say I'm a glutathione it looks like one of the the containers look like it's a suntan lotion but it's not but there's watermelon orange and glutathione is a sulfur based compound and so it really doesn't taste good but you need it in some kind of form that your body absorbs luposomes have the fat but watermelon orange and watermelon taste you know maybe I'll age myself but a jolly rancher candy honestly and so I've been able to get that in and there's other glutathione that I literally couldn't get into kids yeah so this is as long as you can mix other stuff in it because it's sweet so open up some of the other supplements and mix it you know to get that in kids also that's one thing I love and if you saw me looking around I'm just making sure if you're listening live here I'm going to put the link there so you guys can see what this is I was putting that in our chat box and you can see yeah oh good okay that's there and then like you said watermelon people love that I would say it tastes like watermelon jolly rancher yeah that's exactly that's what I was gonna say I it's a little sweet for me I prefer the orange but the kids in general always start with the watermelon because that seems to to work the best and like you said this good found by nature has kind of a bitter not you know sulfur based so any of those things is not very tasty it's hard to hide it and I don't know of anyone else on the market that has a better tasting product I haven't I have not seen one either and I said I've had kids and I've tried every one yeah yeah it makes a difference so that's a great place to start um I want to talk about mold specifically in a minute because you've got some unique new things but talk about like a general detox you said liver support is there anything specifically besides like milk the solar and what would you use um I mean I always think of glutathione I do and I have used kind of what I call drainage formulas yeah really in terms of like kidney and liver and lymph and those are easy you know the ones I've used are um you can kind of like just do a few drops in terms of kids um again you know I want to make sure that they're they're you know the vitamin D status is good and they've got you know good immune response I see a lot of low zinc so and I was kind of trained into research in zinc and kind of I think the zinc and magnesium for the metals is so critical and so many patients are quite right and those are the number ones I mean I use zinc and magnesium all the time in my kids um as I said I usually do I do want to get them in a healthier state because if they already have poor detoxification and all of a sudden you in my what I've seen my kids is if you start and detox them right away you're gonna make them sick yes if their body you know you have to literally open up their pathways I also think about you know getting inflammation down and glutathione's also for oxidative stress well those free radicals that I think of them like like attacking tissue you know like apples turn brown right it's kind of rusting yes and so really kind of getting inflammation down um getting oxidative stress down um kind of in some ways getting them ready to detox so their bodies are as strong as they can be in order to detox one thing you mentioned with kids in autism is they have a PON one so they can't detoxify pesticides very well so I think pesticides are worse for them and that's good it's like they've done studies on it and show it's pretty high and I've seen that so let's talk great so that's a gene you're talking about PON one and I know I have one of those two which again farm oh really yeah so like we're talking about mutations oh but you're saying that children in general even if they have no mutations in that gene it doesn't function as well is that what you're saying oh no they just more they have the genes of my guess they don't it doesn't function well either got it you know we have to think about these are not small adults yes yes exactly now you mentioned inflammation and again there's two products in your line that I love so much and I want you to talk a little bit about histoquial and cytoquel because oh yeah great I can't take credit for cytoquel but we are we did do a study on inflammation and cytoquel is a combination of curcumin you know highly absorbable form resferatrol EGCG NAC and acetyl cysteine and it does as I said we did have a study that showed that it decreased pain in people and we had chronic pain and inflammation and also even some of the like fibrin yeah so it actually had some like effective on willow bone factor and fibrin so actually in terms of like I think inflammation and even vessel health decreased blood pressure wow so I think of it also is kind of cardiac support is along with anti-inflammatories and histoquial I said I did help develop that in terms of mast cells and half of it is something you know flavonoids like quercetin people know and again a form of quercetin that you can really absorb better right because a lot of times if people just take random herbs you don't always absorb that tumor and human in general they're not bioavailable unless you put that liposome or something that helps enhance absorption right right and exactly I said quercetin the same way and so if all of a sudden you know people like oh I'm taking something it doesn't work you've got to really that's the more I've learned about it is you really have to take stuff that is high quality and the right doses and the right combinations or doesn't work yeah you know and then people like oh it doesn't work and I'm like no it does but it does but you're maybe I shouldn't mention any retailers that are on the corner stores but they don't they don't have as good so basically really quick here there's professional grade like the company you work for and others that I use and then there's supplement grade and there's a really big difference in quality so you want to make sure you're getting that professional grade either from a pharmacy or a physician or some reputable company some of them direct to consumer now it doesn't have to be through a doctor but that's what it really does matter and I love that you mentioned a couple things histoquial I love for the mast cell kinds of stuff like you said and what we're seeing you mentioned this earlier but you almost sort of do it in order you have to calm the mast cells and calm that inflammation often before you do heavy detox so someone has mold related illness you have to really make sure that mast cell histamine component is under control because otherwise they'll react to your treatment protocols and that histoquial is really really good for that and that'd be like even something like heartburn could be histamine related often the congestion the sneezing the itchy eyes skin rashes eczema allergies atopic stuff and then gut gut permeability is driven by history yes so our kids will have this massively permeable gut and until you calm that histamine response you can't really do much for the gut right right because then they were as you said they react to herbs they react to everything and you're right and you don't get anywhere and these are the really sensitive patients so well as I said you know you kind of you do you have to calm the system down so it doesn't react to treatment but also so you know people feel better and kind of get better but it is a step by step now the other thing about histoquial is it does have other flavonoids like luteolin and perilla who love or and when I make a product what I do is I literally go and I go ingredient by ingredient I look at the research what is the research on quercetin that for mast cells and allergies and eczema atopic disease and and perilla is one that I you know didn't know about before and I kind of looked into this I'm like oh and then luteolin and the combination of quercetin and luteolin has been studied a lot in autism and then thinking about you know mast cells bind to or when they release histamine the histamine binds to receptors and so you know what do we do if you know you think about antihistamines like benadryl what are our natural histamine blockers so think about the stinging nettles and that's kind of like a histamine blocker so I thought okay well if we can kind of block some of the histamine and do things that the flavonoids basically inhibit the mast cells from releasing their mediators histamine and even you know a lot of other inflammation markers so that was kind of the goal behind it and so it's nice to hear that it is wonderful and I love it because like you said with if we think about medications we have mast cell you know blockers mast cell stabilizers that would be like cingular monsilucast or ketotiphon those are often used in clinical practice and then we have the the h1h2 blockers like xantec and zeartec and oligera and claritin and those on that end and benadryl and this is like a natural product that tries to combine all of the different pieces of that which again I love that because we kind of need both pieces the mast cell is upstream so if we can stop them from blowing up right then right otherwise we're mopping up the histamine affords which can be helpful but yeah but yes it's like allergies it's like if you want to treat somebody with seasonal allergies you start ahead of time yes to prevent everything from going on and then the idea behind our products is like we want multiple mechanism action I mean we really think about what are the mechanisms of action here what how do mast cells cause issues and how can we you know what ways can you treat that so it's really kind of based on that and our products are like okay you know there's a problem mitochondria there's problem with mast cells what are the ways we can target it and what is the research show yes yes and again they're really well thought out I want to just talk about cytokine because of course we just got through a pandemic it's all about cytokines and so I feel like this is one of those things that's been really helpful either during or post viral infection to calm that cytokine response and especially even some of the long COVID kinds of patients that have this perpetual cytokine and that's common not just to this virus we've been talking about but to other viruses other infections Lyme disease co-infections etc and it really does that cytokine response is almost like a runaway train when the body starts to do this it's a vicious cycle unless we block or stop at cytokine response it might be the virus or the infection or the Lyme or the is long gone it's not always an active but that that body's ability to go crazy with the inflammation this is one of those things that's really hard to treat in the cytokine this kind of things what's in the cytokine you mentioned too much yeah well Cocherman and kind of the form resveratrol agcg to co-tocotrinals for the more active kind of vitamin E and acetyl cysteine awesome and then mold so when there's so many companies I do not have we know every day by you know charcoal you can get over the counter that's great I love charcoal but I feel like mold and toxins and binders are so key maybe start first why do we need binders why is the gut a critical place for this to happen and I definitely want to talk a bit about toxin pole and mycopole because they're fairly new and they're well bought out and we're loving these oh good that's great to hear um well I think that the binders is your body's naturally trying to get rid of things right as you said so through the GI system is a major issue the problem with the GI system is it basically it's kind of derived to it's designed to like say bile right it's designed to kind of um I think it's like a saving thing but kind of not get rid of resources and so it reabsorbs things so the body's like okay I'll get rid of that mycotoxin and it's bound to bile and then it's reabsorbed in the body because like oh I need that bile so the binder does is it basically displaces that mycotoxin binds and mycotoxin so it's not reabsorbed and it's taken out of the body so that's kind of how I think about it enteropathic circulation in other words I always just like a miracle round and it works really well and you have to kind of grab it outside of that cycle and pull it out through the stool and we our bile is made to absorb both the cholesterol and reuse it but also toxins it is a reservoir for toxins and if we don't interrupt that with a binder that has a charge that kind of grabs on and escorts it out of the body it's just recycling recycling really efficient but we're not getting it out of the body which is what you were mentioning right as so your body's trying but you're right it's also designed to preserve resources essentially so tell us the difference between toxin pool and mycopole mycotoxin is definitely designed for specifically mold of mycotoxins and again it was when I looked at it it was like well what there's different kinds of mycotoxins right there's more different kinds of molds so different mycotoxins bind to different binders you know so some are like have more affinity right and so the idea was like well how can we look at what are the major mycotoxins and what are the binders that are best for them and then the other idea of the mycopole was you know a lot of these binders are from like the soil and the dirt and everything else and there could be toxins in there yes so you want to make sure your binders don't have toxins also so we wanted to make sure you know a clean products and there weren't extra lead and all the other stuff um and I actually talked to some different molder different doctors treat molds they hey you know once I was like if I build a a mold binder I want this and this and this and so yeah you know and then we looked in this like and that was really how we kind of looked at that um toxin pool was designed more it's partly you know it's a kind of an update of another product that was designed for heavy metals okay and really looking at the pesticides specifically glyphosate you know how do you get rid of some of these yeah and there is some different ingredients and humic acid folic acid which is in both actually research about binding the glyphosate they use in agriculture yeah to get you know to protect the animal so we kind of looked at some ingredients that well if you're trying to get a detox what can you there's ingredients to support the liver there's ingredients to support the kidneys um you know like looking at the research for glyphosate and then heavy metals and then um you know thinking about aluminum is a huge issue you know if it's in vaccine that's in deodorants it's in a lot of things so for I want to stop really quick clinicians if you're listening or patients if you're talking to your aluminum level you can check whole blood aluminum fairly easily on any lab um and of course urine excretion is all great but if you want a quick and easy way to kind of check a recue level it's really worth checking um I have seen a lot of people with high aluminum levels and it's not it's not even in the common like five metal panel on lab core so it's something that you can write in but it's super important and I feel like it's I'm seeing a lot more aluminum toxicity and we know it relates to dimension Alzheimer's and brain it accumulates brain so I love that you mentioned that yeah aluminum is actually I see that a lot and I've seen it on hair tests I've seen it on um a lot of different you're right different testing um and our kids are exposed and it is a neurotoxin yes and the other thing about it is is if you have it with glyphosate glyphosate damages the gut and it actually helps the aluminum pull into the system wow which is how I think it actually increases the issues of the Alzheimer's yes and in a lot of ways autism is has a lot of the same neuro inflammation as patients with Alzheimer's if you really want it's very parallel and it's like brain inflammation on all stages of life yep which I think is really frightening you think about some of your early stage of life and how much neuro inflammation that so I have layers exactly a quick funny story about the toxin pole so when we first talked to your company about the newer products since was maybe six months or so ago literally maybe the next day my brother who's still farming um called me or texted me and said hey Jill I just had a massive you know the tank of chemical dumped on me now they're mostly organic and they're all GM non GMO but they still use some chemicals and once in a while they have a spill and I literally he's like what should I do and I literally in that day that meal I got to sample the toxin pole and I take this now I like send it right off my brother yeah that's great that's great um and the other thing is like in terms of like toxin pole when I detox people I use glutathione also yes like I you know I it's like they just go together in my book yeah so that's a great point because if you have a binder and you're not really pushing the toxins that doesn't do any good and if you push the toxins you need something like a mop or a sponge to kind of help the body so that's a great great um point and then if we are using glutathione we need the binders and vice versa right yeah and then as you said before like I don't detox pregnant women yes yes exactly do not because you're gonna just but if you can get a woman before you know six months a year before and really do a good detox think about going into pregnancy in such a healthier state absolutely um let's talk a little bit about one other thing that I really love that you guys have is um formulas for mitochondria and there's some of my favorites right do you want to talk about some of your favorites that for the energy kind of stuff the ATP yeah um well ATP 360 and I said I did help um we had an ATP fuel and there's research on that and and then the ATP 360 um is the neg is the kind of the next one and we do have research on that in terms of you know helping fatigue so clinical symptoms and also helping mitochondria um and it's great because I've been treating mitochondria that's a dysfunction that's a huge issue and in a lot of people a lot of kids and adults and it's always like oh I want this ingredient I want this ingredient and you know and you kind of you know put here and there's some other formulas that were never that I saw complete yeah and so I was like oh pqq we learn more about that and we know and you know some NAD and you know coq 10 and carnitine but also all those cofactors all those B vitamins you know and so we're able to kind of put it together and then do research on it um so I said that's the one that that and I love it it's my kind of go to with someone saying I'm really tired I'm not they might have all the other things going on but I know that mitochondria is key and I know I want like you said carnitine and NAD and the B vitamins and what's great about that is it kind of has everything in one it makes it really easy to get them here's a product try this and I see both um both of the ATP products I see really good results with people people come back and say I feel better more energy so love those um yeah and the fossil lipids I almost forgot the fossil lipids if you think about the mitochondria membrane is actually made of fossil lipids like you know fossa da colin and so part of the mitochondria not working is having that some member damaged yes and that's where some of the you know the final energy production is so getting those fossil lipids too so that's kind of another yeah you know multi-mechanism you know I do it again so key the fossil lipids really for mold especially to both mold mold and chronic inflammation infection all these things we're talking about let's shift just a little because I know you and I both sadly see more and more cases of tick-borne infections and infections in general and I would say infections in general like I said the beginning toxic load infectious burden is at the core of almost all the chronic conflicts patients that Dr. Hamilton and I see so we have to deal with the toxic load for sure but often because the toxic load weakens immune system these underlying infections it could be Epstein-Barr, CMB, herpetic viruses of all types and Lyme like Borrelia, Bartonella, Vibesia so what I want to talk about is I mentioned this before at Carbola I just started using a couple of products for my Lyme patients especially the more maybe not complex ones and I've had good results one of them is a liquid tincture called BLT right and and that I like I said I've had really good results and then microbinate did you help develop microbinate? No these are microbinates kind of like the more general antimicrobial nuts and capsules got it and then I said some of the tinctures and we actually have now we just have a yeast tincture that came out Olimican and developed and we have a McP which is mycoplasma but if you look in green it's great for Bartonella. I love my P I'll tell you because I see these mycoplasmas IgM IgG or whatever or these chronic but and again if you have Lyme or co-infections almost 90 or more percent of patients with that also have mycoplasma or Comedienne ammonia which are tip A tip goals they often reside in the lungs they typically start with an atypical pneumonia and these are tough and they can really contribute to chronic fatigue right so I love my one-two punch for mycoplasma is that Mike P drops and then the transfer factor the plasma yes plasma but yeah I love those two products let's talk transfer factors I almost forgot the other thing just before like the McP and the plasmid those are my go-to for pans pandas oh because because coverage yeah yeah because the plasmid covers it covers Borrelia but it covers mycoplasma cover staff strep EVV a lot of the viruses and candida oh amazing yeah I have real success with it so yeah so that's like my and the McP's I said you know a lot of his kids have multiple infections because their immune system isn't working and so they have all these different infections but that's sometimes it's hard to figure out what they're reacting to yeah but that to me has been some of my best combinations and I use the multi multi mean to the general yeah factors also yes so he's both of those the transfer factors let's talk just because you guys have all kinds of transfer that's very unique about the company and they're super helpful because what we just talked about is these things that weaken immune system so we fight the infection with some of these herbal formulas but one of the other things we need to do is how do we support that immune system because that immune system if it kicks in sometimes the patients don't need forever treatment if their immune system gets back on track right it's like you're getting their nature back so they can actually their body actually works the way it should so the way I describe transfer factors is a lot of people know that you know the immune cell B cells make antibodies right and that's what we kind of measure and that's one of the part immune system but T cells make transfer factors and they're very they're like small little antibodies but for the different part of the immune system yeah they actually you know our immune system was designed that way and they're really good in terms of kind of the the T cells that really help fight viruses and co is so that like first line infection and they help increase natural killer cells which is also one of our first line infections for viruses and a lot of people their immune system is imbalanced and they can't fight these infections yeah so transfer factors are great at getting immune system up so the person can fight infections they're even good kind of acutely and you can really dose them up like we have the multi-immune which also has colostrum and mushrooms and astragalus and all sorts of different you know ingredients and for acute infections three three times a day it's amazing you can really kind of get through a cold but chronically for three and we do have research that shows that it increases lymphocytes both B and T cells and increases natural killer cells and even has some modulating effects you know increasing you know interleukin 10 which is kind of helps balance our immune system so that's actually one of my kind of basics too just in terms of getting immune system and then doing what we could the plasmic the targeted ones which are very specific for infections yeah so the plasmic is more that mycoplasma like you said it covers a broad range and then there's the L plus is that right the one yeah L plus yeah love that one as well and I'm actually using that one for reactivation of Epstein bar as well and we see that there's a lot of research now that showing in the pandemic we've had a lot more reactivation of Epstein bar so I think a lot of patients who are suffering after maybe being infected are having reactivation of old viruses yeah and lime I think activation of lime too but yeah a lot of Epstein bar and that's my go-to combination the plasmic and I dose that high right if somebody is you know in two capsules a day but I actually I dose that higher and I use that thing when I use both together beautiful so would you do like a or six a day of the um plasmic the sorry yeah multi mean I've gone up to nine a day kind of acutely yeah the plasmic you know it also helps for um you know herpes you know people get cold stores so yeah up to six a day easy ah fantastic yeah oh this is so fun because like I said I really do love the um any other tips or tricks so we talked about detox and we talked about some things there and some of the latest and greatest and that's really I and we actually started with MCAS and mast cell and histamine that we went into detox now more than a lot of things right yeah we really covered um anything else that you've seen in clinical practice or that you feel like we haven't touched on um in terms of um I said I had we have that you know candied overgrowth is very common that's a good okay yeah right so the lima can um and I said cinnamon and clove and berberine and um we didn't realize how powerful it was like you gotta start slowly yes but I think that that that is something that we just came out with we do have some brain formulas the bdnf essentials really kind of targeting and I made it so as a calming formula so I made sure there's no ingredients that you know people could have an aggressive reaction to or get agitated with so really great for adhg um very calming um had some good good success with it for people post concussions wow that's great yeah because the bdnf is one of the growth factors that helps after sort of brain damage or concussion kind of brain damage right so autos and adhg but you know all simers you know even that you know as you get older like what's that word again you know exactly exactly oh well this is fantastic you are such a wealth of knowledge for us and so appreciate it and again it was fun because we you were in boulder and you're still mostly in california taking new patients in california and colorado tell us a little about your practice um you know I said I was in colorado for a long term um and then came to california but still go back once a month and see patients um and not I haven't licensed in california but I haven't seen anybody in person around the office okay but I am doing telemedicine I do definitely do that too um so one benefit of COVID yeah exactly right better access yeah so that's good fantastic um and where can people find you do you have a website or page they can visit um I said usually by email I do have a website that's being um kind of updated so in terms of research nutritionals my email is d hamilton at research nutritionals.com or it's dr debbie and debbie with a y at holistic pediatrics.com so those are the best way to to reach me fantastic thank you so much for your time and your wealth of knowledge and most of all you're giving tools to us like myself practitioners in the trenches and I know you're using them too I have a lot of appreciation just because I can't do what I do without formulas from companies like research nutritionals and others um because those are really some of the tools in our toolbox so thank you for all the work you do on every level we are so grateful well thank you you know joe it's always great to talk to you I always learn something from you and love here you speak and I'm actually going to see you in a couple days at a conference and that'll be nice but yeah I appreciate talking to you it's always I said always a pleasure so thank you