 on the subject of Democratic Party primary candidates. So there was this interview that breaking points had with RFK Jr. And it is triggering a lot of the anti-vax weirdos online. I saw Jimmy Dorr tweet about this. I saw Kim Iverson tweet about this. They're saying that like Crystal Ball is espousing big pharma talking points for basically just saying what do you say to people who think that this anti-vax position of yours is a non-starter. And they're all coming after her. So I wanna watch a little bit of this. Before we do the vaccine stuff, I do wanna see, let's see here. So the healthcare Medicare for all. I wanna know if he supports Medicare for all because like if you don't support Medicare for all in a Democratic Party primary, then what is the point of you even running? So let's hear. As you know, every other developed nation in the world has universal healthcare. Do you support universal healthcare through a Medicare for all program or something similar? My highest ambition would be to have a single-payer program, which with people who wanna have private programs can go ahead with that. Nope. You can't have a robust single-payer system with private insurance. So this is like the Tulsi Gabbard model and it's bullshit. It's not good. Like it's better than what we have now for sure. But no, like why would you espouse? Like people were saying that like Crystal Ball was espousing big pharma talking points. Why would you espouse health industry talking points? Like why do they need to exist? They need to be abolished, full stop. Like they should not be allowed to exist. Private insurance is predatory. Private insurance is not something that we need. We just need healthcare to be guaranteed. And you don't do that by allowing these vultures to exist. So no, don't like it. But to have a single-payer program that is available to everybody. I don't know how politically realistic that is, but if you ask me, if I were designing the system from the beginning, that's what I would do. That's a shitty answer though. I don't know how realistic that is. Aren't you running for president? How realistic is your bid, bitch? How realistic is your bid? Like we're not talking about what isn't, isn't realistic. Like you're running to be president. So do you support it or do you not? Oh, I don't know. It's not realistic. I would go with that though if we were like designing it from the start. Oh, well, how fucking merciful of you. So you don't support Medicare for All. And if you do, to the extent that you do, you're a trash advocate for it. Hey, the system now is broken. We- Why is it broken though? You know, we paid off. Why is it broken specifically? Because of the profit motive and you want to leave the private insurance companies there where their number one priority is profits. So I just, this doesn't make sense to me. Most for healthcare in the world, I think we're 79th. We're behind like Costa Rica and Cuba in terms of health outcomes. We have the highest level of chronic disease in the world of any country. You know, that means neurological diseases, autoimmune diseases, allergic diseases like peanut allergies, food allergies, eczema, anaphylaxis, asthma. And we pay more than anybody else. We also consume more pharmaceutical product. I think we take more, I think we take three to four times as many drugs per capita than Europeans do. And they're not making us healthier. The third largest cause of death in this country after cancer and heart attacks is now pharmaceutical drugs. Americans are the sickest country in the world. This is the sickest generation we've ever had. Like all this stuff that he's saying here isn't that more reason to have a single pair of system and to fight for one? No, because it's not realistic. Also, I'd leave the private insurance in. Just not, not good. Not good at all. And we spend $4.3 trillion on healthcare every year. Wonder why that is? That goes to treating chronic disease. And to me, though- Also, we spend more because of administrative costs which would not exist if we had one pair, a single pair system, but he's opting for a multi-payer system, which that's what private plus public is. That's a multi-payer system. The worst, the most alarming metric. When I was a boy, 6% of Americans had chronic disease. By 2006, 54%. And I'm sure it's gone up since then. I mean, to have our children are debilitated for life on a chronic disease. And the pharmaceutical industry is making a lot of money on that, selling us the EpiPens, the Albuterol and Halers, any seizure medication. So what that tells me is that we should nationalize them. Why do we have private pharmaceutical companies? Nationalize them. Any American pharmaceutical company? Nationalize them. I agree. We shouldn't have profit motives where public health is concerned. Nationalize it all. Isn't that the logical solution? Is he gonna support that? Is it the next question? The insulin shots and all that and they're making a killing. They make half a trillion dollars a year, but it's not good for our country. And what we need is public health agencies that are actually focused on public health rather than advancing the pharmaceutical paradigm or profits or these pharmaceutical companies. It's interesting to me. But what does that look like from a policy standpoint? Are you, do you support nationalization? Like it just is, it's frustrating to me to hear you talk about all of these illnesses, but then the solution isn't Medicare for all because you wouldn't fight for that because it's not realistic. That's just bizarre to me. Okay, let me see, there's climate. Let's see what he says about climate change. In my campaign, I'm not gonna be talking a lot about climate. Why is that? Because climate has become a crisis like COVID. That the Davos group and other totalitarian elements in our society have used as a pretext for clamping down totalitarian controls. Stop. What the fuck? He's like to the right of Biden on climate change in a democratic party primary. I didn't think that that was possible. So let me ask you about vaccines. This is an area where you and I have significant differences. And just to level with you on this, a lot of what you say I really respond to, I think you're a very genuine person, but across the board, whether you wanna call it vaccine skepticism or anti-vax advocacy, which has been a central part of what you've been up to for the past number of years. For me personally, it's an issue and it's a real sort of red line. And I know not alone in that, especially running in a democratic primary, there are gonna be other millions of people like me who have similar concerns. So how do you win them over? What's your message to- Same, I agree with Cristobal here. That's my red line. I would never ever vote for an anti-vaxxer. I would never vote for an anti-science dipshit. Yeah, that's absolutely a red line, but there's so many other red flags about him. Like I'm curious, what is his stance on LGBTQ plus rights? What is his stance on policing, criminal justice? People think like I do- Well, but just tell me where you think I got it wrong. On everything. Well, I think you get it wrong when you draw a correlation between the rise of things like autism and the introduction of vaccines when there isn't hard scientific evidence tying those things together. How do you know? Let me ask you this. How do you know there's not a hard scientific evidence? Well, because the one major study that purported to show that was retracted and the scientists who conducted it was, you know, had to- What you're doing now- Okay, it's impossible to debate with an anti-vax or it's impossible to debate with any conspiracy theorist because if you have somebody who is in sort of a cult, you're just not gonna convince them. But I will say that H. Palmer Guy did a really good video on the anti-vax movement and it shows you how all of these positions became popularized and how the people who push these ideas are charlatans. So I'll just encourage people to watch that. But like, what Crystal's trying to do here is get him to explain ultimately like, how do you appeal to people who just, they are turned off inherently by anti-vax bullshit. And he responds by trying to debate her with anti-vax bullshit. But her point is, what is your pitch to people? Because you're not gonna convince them. They're not gonna convince you. So how do you appeal to these folks who you're supposed to be opening over? And his answer is like, anti-vax word vomit. Basically fraudulently created. Listen, I don't wanna get in a debate with you about this because you've spent your life pulling out this thing. I won't tell you. Let me just tell you. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Let me just tell you, I've listened to. There are hundreds of, this is like, he's like filming at the mouth. You can't even reason with him. She brings up vaccines and he immediately starts like trembling, it's like, what is, like what's the policy there by the way? Because like he's been anti-vax even before the COVID vaccine. Like I think that COVID-19 and the COVID vaccine broke a lot of people, their brains and made them anti-vax. But like he's been anti-vax long before that. Like he might be more of an OG than Jenny McCarthy. He's too deep in that bubble. He's too far gone. I don't think anything's gonna convince him. Hours of interviews with you, with an open mind. And I'm not persuaded. Now, maybe I'm wrong. That's possible. You're not. People can watch. I thought Megan Kelly did a phenomenal interview with you that went through all these claims piece by piece by piece. I really encourage people to watch that whole exchange because we won't be able to do it justice here in the five minutes we have left. But there are gonna be people. Yes, if people are against, are only against the COVID-19 vaccines, they are by definition anti-vaxxers and they're also stupid by definition. Because the vaccines are good, they work. And if you don't wanna take it, don't take it. But I'm not gonna try to convince you because I'm done with that. You don't want the vaccine? Get sick, get sicker. I don't know, I don't care. Die, who cares? I'm done trying to convince these dipshits. I had this debate with many members of my family. I'm just over it. Like if you don't want the vaccine, whatever, done trying to convince you. People like me who aren't persuaded and who see this as an issue and the fact that it's been such a central part of your advocacy means I can't just sort of put it to the side and say, I will just ignore this piece that's been really important to you in your life. So you're running in a democratic primary. You have a lot of people who feel even more strongly than me who think that Dr. Fauci is a hero in all of these things. How are you gonna persuade them? How are you gonna reach them and what is your message to them? Well, first of all, I'm not leading with my opinions about vaccines. What I said to people is show me where I got it wrong. Show me where I got my science wrong. I've written books about this. I wrote a book about... If he wrote an anti-vaccine book, there's just no convincing him. You'd be probably more easily able to convince a QAnon or to leave like QAnon than him to stop being anti-vax. Like between dimerical and autism that has I think 450 distilled scientific studies that confirm and validate that hypothesis and 1400 references. And if I got something wrong, show me where it is. But I think people have shown you where things are wrong, but you don't wanna hear it is because I've seen numerous fact checks. Dr. Vinay Prasad, who we really respect on the COVID vaccine, he went through your interview with Al Lynn. He did a fact check. I mean, it's not... And then I fact check and you should read that. I will take a look at it, but I don't think that it's fair to say nobody has ever pointed out anything that's been wrong. Well, here's what I... People complain about what I say. And again, I'm not leading on this issue. So people can either take it or leave it. But if you want to, you know... Take it or leave it. Again, you wanna be the president of the United States. Let's say there's another pandemic or there's a new COVID variant where a new round of vaccines are necessary. That has implications. Like as president, you can choose to not invest in funding for that. What you do as president, what you say as president matters a lot. So it's not just, oh, we'll take it or leave it. I'm not leading with this. No, this is a huge fucking thing. Believe it or not, COVID-19 is not over yet. Like it's still pandemic status. So, and there could be another pandemic, right? So these things matter. And yeah, as Pixeltonic puts it, I will leave it exactly. Because like this is a huge thing. When you have this anti-intellectualism, this anti-science sentiment in the country right now that is proliferating at alarming speeds, like the president's stance matters. Like Trump has done a lot to raise the overall dumb fuck level of the country. And like, why would people on the Democratic Party side vote for someone who's gonna do the same thing that Trump did, have the same damaging effect? It's just a non-starter. So I don't understand like why he thinks he's qualified to compete in a Democratic Party primary. Like if I were him, I would run on the Republican side, but I mean like Democrats see Kennedy and Democrats like NPCs just automatically think, oh, he must be good. When they have Marianne Williamson in the race, like if you wanna vote for somebody other than Biden, I get it. I'm voting for Marianne Williamson. But like, why would you vote for this like fucking libertarian-esque kook? Like it's just so weird. Like he's a libertarian hybrid of Alex Jones. It's really weird. What you just said about me that I'm sort of hard headed and stubborn and I just won't give in. You are. You're wrong about that. If somebody shows me where I'm wrong, I'm gonna correct it. And you know, we have to do the most. Yeah, I agree Twinkle. Like that, his whole like anti-vaccine dumb fuckery is inherently ableist to make it seem as if like autism is some bad thing. Fuck you. Like I have autistic family members, autistic friends, fuck you. Go fuck yourself, okay? You're not better than them. You're not smarter than them. Fuck you. Just because your name is Kennedy doesn't mean that you have golden balls, okay? You still shit like all of us. You're a human being and you're not qualified to run for president. But again, like all you have to do is like win the Lucky sperm club and automatically you have a leg up in life. You could run for president even if like, nobody knows who you are. You just gotta have that last name and boom, you're there. It's so fucked up. Hard for me to believe this won't be an important part of how you govern. So I think that's the most important piece for people to get who you have to accept. There are gonna be people like me who just don't agree with you on this. You certainly understand that there are many who do think that the vaccines that we have are more beneficial than harmful that got their kids vaccinated and are happy for that decision. So how is this going to impact the way that you govern or does it not at all? I mean, I'm gonna govern according to what evidence-based medicine. Oh, that's the way. Let me give a specific question. If there's another pandemic, in the last pandemic. My grandmother's gonna vote for him just because of his name, genuinely so frustrating. Yeah, that's the thing a lot of people do. Like name recognition is just, it goes so far in this country and I hate that that's the case because it shouldn't. You should look at each candidate based on the policies that they support based on their history of governing or advocacy, but it's like Democratic Party voters and not just Democratic Party voters, all voters, they see somebody's last name or celebrity status and they just turn off their fucking brains and vote for them. It is genuinely extremely fucking frustrating. So I feel for you. I feel for you a lot, that sucks. Make former President Trump something we gave him a lot of credit for. He launched Operation Warp Speed. They had a whole-of-government approach. They used the MRNA technology that was developed using US taxpayer dollars to get a vaccine out to the population. My dad is a Trump supporter, but the Kennedy name and anti-vax stance will probably win his vote. Yeah, it honestly doesn't surprise me for sure. Definitely appeal for apolitical normies. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Hopefully it's possible. How would your approach have differed? My approach would have been a science-based approach. Which means what? Which means- Not science. And a medicine-based approach. The approach that has been used for, you know, and approved for decades. You look first at therapeutics that are off the shelf and you look at the efficacy of those. I mean, what I would have done if I was in power then, I would have created an information grid because now we have this internet that is supposed to benefit us and has become incident and instrument for- You would have created an information grid. Motherfucker, during a pandemic, priority number one is finding a fucking cure or a vaccine. But you would have created an information grid. So like, none of us would have gotten the vaccine if you were president. Like, fuck you. Let's use it for something good. Let's link all 15 million scientists, doctors, frontline physicians all over the world and find out what they're doing to treat this new respiratory virus and find out what they're saying is working and not working and then test that with science and then turn it into, instantaneously, into protocols and recommendations for other scientists. So would a vaccine development be part of that or not? Well, you know, I don't think the vaccine worked. I think, you know, if you think it worked then try to explain to me either countries that were unvaccinated did much better than ours. Many of those countries, because there are a lot of different factors in various countries. So a lot of those countries that you pointed out before, why do we have the highest death rate count in the world by far? I think there are a lot of factors that may go into that. One of them is the fact that we are disproportionately obese as a society. We have the negative health outcome that you've been talking about. We don't go outside as much as countries say in Africa. I mean, we have, there are a lot of different factors that may play into that. But I will say, did the vaccines work in the way they were initially promised to prevent spread? No, I don't think so, especially once you got to later variants. But we have a lot of data that shows that in terms of reducing severe hospitalization and death, the vaccines were really important. And maybe there was a cost-benefit analysis. I want to see that data. Oh, that's what the doctor said. He's like, there's no convincing him. There's really no convincing him. I mean, there are multiple studies and reports about how the COVID-19 vaccines prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths in the United States. Like just within the first couple of months, particularly of seniors, but it's like, nope, can't believe it, won't fight through the cognitive dissonance. And to state otherwise, is to be citing a big pharma talking points. But at the same time, even though he's anti-big pharma, he refuses to state to my knowledge that he wants to nationalize big pharma. But he's really tough on big pharma. Like these people are just so insufferable. And talking with them is just gonna lead to you talking in circles all day. That's what I know this. There is lots of data, and not just from here from around the world that shows the vaccine doses and not just our vaccines, but ones that were created all around the world, reduce severe hospitalization and death. So in that way, yes, I do very much believe that they were. Well, let me tell you something. What I believe you're doing now is you're parroting what the public health agencies have been saying, but they do not have a scientific basis for that. And I have another book out that you should look at. Oh, another book. It died suddenly that goes through all the Johns Hopkins data, which is the dashboard data that everybody use, and shows exactly what happened when the vaccine, first of all, even the vaccine, the Case Western study that is probably the largest most recent, shows that at most the vaccine gives you a very, very small amount of protection and that after seven months. Okay, I can't listen to him anymore, but I'm trying to figure out what is his credentials here? And this dude is an environmental lawyer. Okay, that's so weird. First of all, you are not qualified to talk about vaccines and be a published author when it comes to vaccines. Second of all, you're an environmental lawyer, but your climate change stance is fucking insane. This is weird. He's the nephew of John F. Kennedy. So it doesn't matter if you're a complete dumb fuck. So long as you win the Lucky Sprim Club, you can run for president. Holy shit. And he's like, he's polling higher than Marianne Williamson. Make it make sense.