 We understand why the players were not disciplined because that was part of getting them to tell the truth to the investigators They would give an immunity, but the one thing that we keep batting back and forth and maybe you have an answer I know it's cosmetic, but why didn't the commissioner vacate the title? I? Think because it's an empty gesture Michael like what is the vacation of title actually going to mean that the Houston Astros in reality went out there and they won four games in the world series and when you win four games in the World Series you are the World Series champion and if you go and vacate it then Are you gonna have an empty year there? I just feel like that is the worst Pandora's box for Major League Baseball to open considering how many of its records are held in You know Some issues about them I mean is the single-season home run record like that is the all-time home run record like that and then you can start looking back at other records and You know the something that happens before integration suddenly not really count any more because it wasn't even playing field I mean it's just a it's a whole world of issues that you open up when you start vacating title Yeah, but when you get zapped for insider trading you have to give back the profits you made on the stock so Even if it's a if it's an empty gesture some players believe it should be a lot of people I spoke to in baseball Thank why should the players be able to declare themselves world champions Why should the Astros be able to fly a flag and then it made part saying they won in 2017 when it was clearly ill-gotten gains I Think because Michael there are plenty of other times throughout history where there may have been other ill-gotten games I mean do we go back and look at steroid fuel teams and start taking flags? There's no specific thing though Jeff. This is they cheated in 2017. This is specific I mean to me unless we were able to open an investigation to find out exactly what the owners and managers knew If Mark McGuire took steroids or PDs was it institutional cheating? Did Tony LaRusso know about it? Did the Cardinals condone it? Was it part of their plan to go out there and win or was it just one individual trying to cheat for his own game? From what we know it was one individual trying to cheat from his game Right, what's the threshold there though is if you have two individuals that vacating time? I mean if then you did if you did an investigation if they wanted to go back to One of the titles that the the Red Sox won because of the Ortiz allegations And they were able to go back and find out that Terry Francona knew that their general manager knew that their owner knew that they Condoned it well then yeah that I would have no problem with thinking about maybe we shouldn't take that away If you had five six steroid guys and you had proof through an investigation that took two months that it was Institutional cheating that people high above new then absolutely, but from what we know about PDs right now It was individuals trying to cheat for their own game now Maybe that's just me pie in the sky thinking you know, but right now we have an investigation where and an owner a General manager and a manager were disciplined for not doing something about it that knowing that their players were cheating to me That's deeper and bigger and and more important from an institutional standpoint than PDs Genuine question here guys not trolling or anything like that, but I'm curious your answer about this You go and look through what Rob Manfred released yesterday, and he was talking about how this happened in the 2017 season and postseason there was no explicit mention of the world series If this was done all the way up to the world series and then the astro stopped should the world series title be vacated Yeah, because they might not have gotten to the world series Because yeah, what it could have should what it could have shut like well, they didn't cheat in the world series So why but they won all four games in the ALCS where they were supposedly cheating at Minute Maid Park And also all the time they were cheating during the 2017 season gave them home field advantage to get to the world Yeah, you can make the case that if the Yankees had home field in a league championship series They would have went to the world series Yeah, I mean you could like look you can make a lot of cases in a lot of hypotheticals And I think that's what the problem with vacating titles is we're operating under presumption that if one thing We're not the case another would be I don't think that's reasonable or fair And I don't think it's fair to assume that because one team won with ill-gotten games that it might not have won without this right