 So I want to remind you a few of the few things to help our team go more quickly and make sure folks are feel comfortable anticipating. The town meeting is governed by state law and Robert's rules of order. I remind you of a few of these rules that General Roberts laid out for us. You may speak twice on an article, once recognized by the moderator. And you may speak a second time after everyone who would like to speak and spoken once. You may speak for five minutes. If the assembly will allow it, it will allow you to go a little bit over, but I will stop you in five minutes. Please stand when recognized and state your name so that the town clerks can get your name down for the notes. And do we have a microphone runners? We have two microphones up here. Any time to be a microphone runner? They're passionate for microphone running, anyone? Robert, thank you, Robert. Robert? Thank you, Eric. You know how those words come from. The business we're going to conduct tonight is on pages 10 to 12 of your town report. For non-election articles, we'll attempt to decide by voice vote as much as we can. We have a large group tonight. We'll do the best we can. If I can't decide, if I can't determine from a voice vote, we'll have a division of the House. It has to be to raise your hand and we'll have the civil board of the 30s, count hands for the names and names. Remind you that you can, at any point, ask for a division of the House or seven voters can ask for a paper ballot, if you would like. Remind you that the date can be cut off by calling the question, but you've got to be recognized before you can do that. Speeches must be confined to the merit of the question, and no one will be allowed to make personal attacks. Only warned articles may be considered, but any action cannot be taken under the article of other business. The role of the moderators will help you accomplish your business tonight, expeditiously and fairly. Please raise your hand. I'll try to recognize you in the order you raise your hand. I'll try to call you by name, but we'll recognize many folks. And my eyes are failing me, so I may just point to you in the blue coat, and you'll know who you are. The moderators ruling, I want to remind you, can be appealed if I rule on something and you don't like it. You may stand up and shout out to appeal moderators ruling, and we'll go through the process of how you do that. And then we'll be able to assembly whether my ruling will stand or be sustained. If you think I'm violating Robert's rules of order of the process, please call out point of order, and we'll talk about it. And in most cases, when it's happened in the past, it's been very helpful when I'm going straight. The moderator can use unanimous consent, and that is when we want to sort of bypass Robert's rules of order. Some things where you might say that there are no objections, we will do this or do that. And one way we typically use that is when we talk about non-voters being able to speak, and we'll go through that. Or I might say that if there are no objections, we'll let non-voters speak. And so that's one example. If ever I say if there are no objections, that means I'm sort of trying to speed us up through a process. And if anyone questions that, you can just say, I object, let's go through the process, or what are we skipping over? And usually it's skipping over a second or a vote that I think is going to be pretty clear in terms of maybe letting someone in. Someone speak that's not a resident or a student, not a voter. So at this time, can I ask those that are not voters of Rochester to just identify yourself? Please raise your hand. Great, welcome. Thank you. Glad you're here. Our custom in Rochester is to allow visitors to speak, to say their piece often is related to issues of adjoining towns where we share interests. So if voters by Robert's rule, non-voters by Robert's rules cannot speak, but if we can suspend the rules, if there are no objections, we'll allow our visitors to speak tonight. Any objections? Thank you. But I'll remind the non-voters that in the heat of the moment, don't raise your hand for a division of the House or call out on a vote. You still can't vote, even though we'll let you speak. We're going to have some opening remarks from our representative. Say it comes. So I brought a written report that I think must be found out on the table in the front. And Bill Doyle is still doing his poll. So I encourage you to do those. There's a box for the polls on the front of the table. So the legislature is halfway through. Friday was what we call crossover deadline. And this is the second year of the biennium. So anything that hasn't come out of committee by last Friday is in all probability dead for the rest of this biennium. There are occasional exceptions to that. But for the most part, if there were bills that you heard about that you thought were really stupid and they're still in committee, you can assume that they'll stay there. But we had quite a flurry of activity last week because it was because it was crossover. So what crossover means is that House bills have to come out of have to come to the House floor, be ready to come for a vote next week. And Senate bills have to be ready for a vote in the Senate and then they go to the other body. And as we know, just because a bill passes in the Senate doesn't mean it's necessarily going to pass in the House. And probably won't pass in the same form. We like to tinker with things and we do it a lot. But in the flurry last week on the House side, I counted about 40 bills that came out of committee. Those were things that people had been working on for a long time and had probably some tricky parts or some disagreements. We tend to do all of the unanimous bills early on in the session and save the hard ones for the end. But one of the, and I just ran through the category of things that there were and it's quite a range. But I think the one that I want to talk about for just a second has to do with the economy. What we know is that we have employers all over the state who cannot find workers to fill the jobs that they have. We have one of the lowest employment rates in the state, but what we have is a gap between the skills that employers need and the skills that workers have. And so one of the stack of bills that came out would set up a workforce development system to really look at how we identify where the gaps are on the employment side and where the gaps are on the education side. Both college but also all kinds of post-secondary training and for people going back to learn new skills as the economy changes. So that's just one of the things, there are a few others that I wrote about in my report where we are on the budget, where we are on taxes and the effect of the federal tax changes. So I'll leave you to look at that. This is where we are out of session this week so I'll be in town all week. Please feel free to call me or email me or catch me on the street if you have questions or just want me to know what your position is. I look forward to talking to you. Thank you Cindy. I just want to let folks know that Orca Media this year, down here with the camera in the front, and they're a non-profit organization and their mission is to increase participation in local governments. So they will record our meetings tonight and also record school boards and select board meetings and other meetings and put them up on their website. If they Google Orca Media, would we find you? Also YouTube. YouTube. Orca Media.net. Orca Media.net. See yourself on TV. Over the last couple of few years, I've been a civil invocation that I'd like to share again tonight but give you a little context to it. It was bred in many towns and communities across the state and originated up in Danville, where the town attorney wrote it for their town when the issue over church was safe. And local clergy and others were uncomfortable with the tension there. But they wanted to bring sort of some thought to a higher purpose to the meetings. So he wrote this and I'll continue to share until I get feedback, otherwise, each year. Welcome to the Rochester Town Meeting. We come together in civil assembly as a community in a tradition that is older than the state itself. We come together to make decisions about our community. Let us advocate for our positions but not at the expense of others. Let us remember that there is an immense gap between saying I am right and saying I believe I am right. And that our neighbors with whom we disagree are good people with hopes and dreams as true and as high as ours. And let us always remember that in the end caring for each other in this community is of far greater importance than any difference we may have. And with that we'll move to the business of the evening. And that is your town report starting on page 10. Notice to the legal voter. Can everyone hear me okay? Follow around if I drift away from the microphone and you can't hear me. Notice to the legal voters of Rochester, Vermont's annual town meeting to be held Monday night, March 5th, 2018, 7 p.m. The legal voters of the town of Rochester, County of Windsor, state of Vermont are hereby both notified and warned to meet in the Rochester High School Auditorium in said town Monday, March 5th, 2018 and 7 p.m. to transact the following business. I should read the entire warning but if there are no objections I will not go through the entire warning. I will read each article as we come to it. Okay, first article to elect, article one to elect a town moderator for the ensuing year. Nominations? I'll have to nominate Dan McKinley. Second. Dan McKinley's been nominated and seconded. Any other nominations? Nominations will move nominations closed and no objections will close nominations. And ask the clerk to cast one ballot for Dan McKinley for town moderator. Article two to elect all town officers as required by law. Do you have an order to moderate? Pardon? Do you have a point of order? Yeah. At this time I would like to move to amend, would you like me to have a microphone? Is that? Yeah. Yeah, you can let me in. What's the point of order? Can you tell me what your request is? Well, good. May some wait. This is about to move in a minute to article two. Article two, a minute. Let me read the article first. Okay. And then I'll hear your, so that wouldn't be a point of order. You would be making a motion to amend an article. Let me read the article first. I'm going to read the whole thing and then we'll go through them one line at a time. To elect all town officers as required by law. One select board member, three your term. Two elicitor, three your term. Three collector of Blinkman taxes, one your term. Four library trustee, five your term. Five trustee of public funds, three your term. Six cemetery commissioner, five your term. Seven grand jury, one your term. Eight second grand juror, one your term. Nine remits to our agents who prosecute and defend suits. And 10 agent to convey real estate. We'll have a motion to move number one, a select board. We'll move that article. I'll move the article. Seconded. Seconded, Nathan. I have based on record action. Oh, thank you. I moved to amend article two with the 330 s floor boat in accordance to Vermont statute title 172646 number 10 to eliminate one of the two grand juror positions. Basically, so we're going to go through these one by one line at a time. I'm amending the article. And before you start the article. Yeah, I guess that's good to that because we're not dividing the question. We're taking it all at once, but in an orderly fashion. So I don't object to that. So there is a motion on the floor to amend the article to not elect a second grand juror. Correct. With the 230 s floor boat. In accordance to Vermont statutes. So we're going to get a second for that motion. And then we'll open it for discussion. We have a second for that. We can open it up for discussion and understand why. So the person who makes the motion can speak first. Would you like to explain your thoughts? I'm happy to do that, but I don't have to as a first person. You know, that's a privilege to be the first person. Right. Well, folks, if you look on page 19, who's who? And you're going toward the bottom and you can have an understanding of what grand juror position is. And in our statutes, we function under state statutes because we're not a chartered community. A chartered community can actually make different decisions. But the statute says one or more grand jurors. And so we have the right to just have one grand juror. The whole concept of grand juror is obsolete and we need to eliminate it. Actually, the state house is probably going to deal with it. Who knows, 10 years. But we can be giving them a signal. Like, let's get rid of these laws that are not good for us. Basically, it's not a great idea to elect somebody to do this position. Right. Because we're moving toward a different type of law enforcement. And if you go to page 52, the Constable's report, Mark, has done a very nice job of sharing with us the bottom of the page that it's time to buckle up because taxes are going to increase in law enforcement. So it's just trying to step into the future and if we are obsolete laws, let's give it a go. I want to speak to that. So this is, can you hear me out there? No. Get closer. Yeah. Closer. Eat the mic. Okay. So this is one of the five petitions that Mason presented for this meeting. And we responded to this back on the select board meeting of January 22nd. And with the legal advice that under Section 17, VSA 25 to 4610, this is not something that the town has authority to eliminate. And the town misses something that is, you say that they're thinking about eliminating this, but they've not eliminated this. And this is, we've been determined that this was not warned to put on the meeting because we legally cannot eliminate that position. Incorrect. Mason, wait until you recognize. Other folks have a chance to talk. They will have a chance for your second time. Any other discussion? Clive. Does the position have any function in the town right now? Talk about something that maybe we should have one if something comes up. It is not something that has been pressed into service as a position in my recent memory or deeper memory. Maybe Sandy Haas would have some insight to know. But regardless of that, it is part of our direction of who to elect or what offices to fill as part of the town government, the town structure. And it's not a paid position. No, it's not a paid position. It's an appointed position. Or is it elected? It's elected. Great. Any other discussion? No microphone, big mouth. So I just have a question like it says second grand juror. So that leads me to believe that we have another grand juror. Correct? Okay, thank you. So we still have one. Still have one. Anyone else before I gave Mason a second chance? Go ahead. Well, do you mean the statute? I don't. I just have the reference to the number. The key word here, it states one or more grand jurors. Yes. We have the right with the 230th floor vote to go ahead and change the situation. Yeah, could you explain more the reason that you want to do that? Okay, yes. The word is or. The word is or and we can do that. Or not. Or not. This is democracy. This is how we rethink our local government. These are the things we are supposed to be here to take care of in business. And we have opposite laws. I'm just saying that it's a pretty serious conflict of interest for a person to take on this role if they actually legalize it. We may not want situations where people are holding two or three different offices and holding this. It's good to reread the who's who on that committee and think about what that means if you were the grand juror and you utilized it to your neighbors. Let's say, practically grand jurors, we used to put people on stockpades and throw tomatoes at them. So, it's just a way that they don't mention our movement forward to proper progress. Susie, someone had a point. No, okay. Great questions we've called. So, if there are any seconders. So, we need a two-thirds vote to end discussion. All if they were in any discussion, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Okay. For the closed discussion, we're going to vote. We are voting on an amendment to article one. The amendment was to elect one grand juror and not the second grand juror for a term of one year. All those in favor of the amendment, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Nay. The nays appear to have it. The amendment is not passed. So, we'll go back to the original article. So, we're going to go by these one line of time. First is to elect a select board member. Nominations? Thank you. Frank Russell, I nominate Jim Bowen. Second that. Yes. Oh, Dan, could I? Oh, go ahead. I nominate Pat Hardy. Did you get the name? I'm sorry to get the name. Pat Hardy. I'm going to give all the nominees a chance to say a word. Okay. Any other nominations? Any other nominations? I'll select four for one year. Close nominations. Three. Three year term. Three years. Three year term. Thank you. How many years? Three. I don't know the nominations. We'll close nominations. I would like to say something. I'm going to give each of those folks an opportunity to say something if they would like to. Jim? I'm going to decline the nomination. For those of you that know me, know that family is pretty important to me. I do love my two girls, my wife and daughter. And soon enough, I'm not going to be able to say my two girls. Bowen daughter number two was on the way this summer. Thank you. Chairman, say anything about your candidacy. Well, I've been a select board member before. It's not an easy position for anyone. It's not something I enjoy, but it's a burden of duty. So some people think that's fine. It's very sane. It's difficult. Very often people don't like being told no. So they're often put at odds with members of the community. It's also, you know, there's the difficult problem of balancing what the taxpayers can afford versus keeping up with their infrastructure and, you know, the necessary expenses. This is almost the eternal tension. I'll try to get it right, but it's difficult. That's about it. Good evening, I'm Pat Harvey. If you don't know who I am. I know that the Rochester 1986 raised my two children here. We're going to continue with today. There's a lot of two grandchildren. I married Dave Marvin's son. And we operate four businesses, all dependent on this gallery. My real estate firm, Dave's Excavée, and together we shared duties for Hawthorne property management and the hardware store. You might say, I am deep seated in Rochester. I have participated in town government as a listener, an auditor, and agent of the real estate going back and forth in a decade. I feel I have the time, the ambition, and enough knowledge to represent the voters of Rochester and to work with the current board members and move forward on the current issues at hand and address upcoming issues which we know will include discussions around the real estate transactions, specifically this wonderful school campus building. Citizens band together to defend a small recreational area tells me that we must expand into more recreational areas wherever possible to ensure our residents and our visitors enjoy our natural assets even more. This is my time to serve my community in its highest capacity. I plan on always rising to be occasioned with open ears, eyes, and minds. Thank you. This is going to suggest that there are questions. Where do you stand on the pine gap road issues? Kind of mentioned, with the pine gap issue that's going on, the resolution of the immediate issue is kind of out of the hands of the town right now with legal hands. So there's not much to be said about that because it's in the hands of the law. But what I did say and what I do see is that as a recreational area there, there are a lot of people that enjoy this very small area. I understand that there's a national forest there, but what it reinforces to me is that there's a lot of people here that like to get out and enjoy the outdoors. And with Rochester being blessed with the organization RASTA, being blessed with the Forest Service and Chris, I think I would like to expand on that. And if people need places to go record and they have to fight for one particular small area, let's open that up and give them a lot more area to record. I'd like to know the position of the two candidates on the expansion of the select board from three to five. Yeah, so I think we're getting into some of the other articles here. No, the position on working with not just two people, but with four other people. Yeah, I don't know, we could ask about pine gap and not about some other issues. My ruling is to let the question go and let it be asked. You know how you can appeal my ruling if you want. Go ahead, Ron. Since the candidates were asked, I'm a bit adamant on the question of three versus five. There are particular problems with having only three people. Two people is a quorum. So by open meeting law, you can't, outside of open meeting, discuss anything with your fellow select board members. This creates some problems in continuity, but it also protects against certain types of, certain problems that open meeting law was designed to protect against. Going up to five makes it a little more complicated. I don't see any overwhelming objections to that. But again, and then on the flip side, you have a lot more discussion that's out of meeting with five. So there's a pluses and minuses to vote. Pat, would you like to address that? I'd like to leave that up to the voters to decide. After the decision, we can discuss the, getting the workings of the select board and what it benefits, and it doesn't benefit the town. But it's definitely a decision that the voters should make first. Ethan, Amanda Mason, and then Frank. I'd just like to ask you if, you'd have any problem accusing yourselves of articles before the select board because you have business with the town? Mark actually is one individual in this community, I don't say it, a guru in the markets. I have many for you. Now, the next section we're going to deal with is the Lister. Wouldn't it be not running for Lister? Not running for Lister. Okay, so you're not in the elected decisions? Not anymore. It's just a one decision that you're in. That's an elected decision? Do you have conflict with that at all? If we can have the audience hear any of the answers. Yeah. I'm sorry. According to the state, there is no conflict between the select board member and the patient to convey what I said. Ethan, ask one question. Okay, there are no other questions. There's room for a paper ballot. So what's the best way for them to proceed to come across the front? So come down the 53 ballots were counted. And only 152 check marks were made on the voter list. We missed someone's check mark. But the results of the ballots are 89 for Pat and 64 for Robert. So Pat is elected the select board member. I'd like to thank Jim Bowen for his service. Yeah. And congratulations. And Robert, thank you for offering to serve. Appreciate that. Article one still. No, article two. To elect a Lister for a three year term. This was a Josh Hanford's turn. Your nomination. Lister. I'd like to remind folks, if you decide you don't want to accept that nomination, you can shout that out right away. Don't need to wait until the end of nominations. I'll probably give Jim a chance to do that before we move on to other nominations. Shout out. You're not going to accept that nomination right off and you can look for others. Any other nominations for Lister? Yes, articles that nominated. I don't have a nation schools. Seconded nominations. Close. We have one candidate, Jess Arsenal for a Lister for a three year term. No other nominations. I'll instruct the clerk to cast one vote for Jessica Arsenal as a Lister. Thank you, Jessica. To elect a Collector of the Lincoln Taxes for a one year term. Seconded nominations. Move nominations and close. Seconded nominations. Close. All in favor. That's good. for a one-year term. And nominate Becky Klein. Becky Klein's been nominated. Second. Seconded. Other nominations. Nominations to move, nominations to close. Anybody have a second map? Second. Seconded. Nominations to close. All in favor. All in favor. Becky Klein. Yeah, that's good. All in favor of Becky Klein? All in favor of Becky Klein. Well, yeah, I should, because nominations are required to be buried vote. If there are no objections, we'll close nominations. And ask the authority to cast one ballot for Becky Klein and for the collector of Delilah, Texas. We'll elect the Library Trustee for a five-year term. Nominations. Mrs. LaBeja, please. Yola LaBeja. Yola LaBeja has been nominated. Any other nominations? No. No objections. We'll close nominations. And ask the clerk to cast one ballot for Yola LaBeja for a trustee of Library Trustee for a five-year term. We'll elect the trustee of public phones for a three-year term. Nominations. I nominate Barbara DeHark. Barbara DeHark has been nominated. Seconded. Seconded. Do I hear Mike Harvey, someone? Yeah, Mike Harvey. I don't know what is the sequence of these terms. And we're only electing one for a five-year term, as Mike already said. Three-year term. Three-year term. Isn't he already on? Mike is on it. Mike, are you? No, it's Barb. Barb said. This is Barb's end of Barb's term, right? Right. And so this is Barb's seat. So Barb's been nominated. Mike's still on it. Any other nominations? No objections. We'll close nominations. And I support the cast one ballot for Barbara DeHark for trustee of public phones for a three-year term. To elect a seminary commissioner for a five-year term, this was Tom Pockett's seat. Nominate Tom Pockett. Tom Pockett's been nominated. Seconded. And seconded for maybe a 30-year-old. I'm not sure. Tom? Did you accept that nomination, Tom? Yep. Yeah. Any other nominations? No objections. We'll close nominations. And I support the cast one ballot for Tom Pockett for a seminary commissioner for a five-year term. To elect a grand juror for a one-year term. Nominations? Nominate Barb DeHark. Barb DeHark's been nominated. For new order? Yes. And I support the cast one ballot for Tom Pockett for a seminary commissioner for a five-year term. Yes. This chart from the state is incompatible for an elected official to be a grand juror. We just elected Barb for a trust fee, so that's not a compatible situation. There are offices that are incompatible by state law. Yes. And I don't know exactly what they are. What's that list there? Anyone else? Does Tom Pockett know anything about the resolution? No. I'm having a trial. Jen is trying to look it up. Oh, we're good. Thanks, Joe. That doesn't mean we're going to win, sir. Yeah. Put you on the spot now. Here we go. Oh, man. Secretary Steele. I'm seeing a grand juror here. Chart of incompatible offices. Chart of incompatible offices. I'm seeing public trustees. I'm not seeing it. Jason, show me where you're going. It says elected offices. Yep. Okay. Make the grand juror move your painter to under elected offices and it says no. So this is a matrix, right? You go down and then over. So trustee of public funds. Auditor, no. Grand juror. You see grand juror across the top? I don't. Just below the trustee it says grand juror. Someone else? Okay. Pay me something. Kind of not super clear what I'm looking for. All writers, not reactors, this cause has not been given into the public fund. This is nothing we can call land insurance, Okay, so it's a matrix that has the positions down the side across the top. One of the, across the top is election official and Kennedy voted by Australian ballot. It doesn't say elected official, it's the election official like the town clerk. So the town clerk couldn't be the collector of the Lincoln Texas. It could be, but it would be a ranger. A ranger would be correct. So I'm going to rule that she can't hold both of those offices. Okay, so we are on a ranger, right? We're over there one year term and Bart Park has been nominated. Second. Seconded. No other nominations. No objections, I'll close nominations. No objections. And I'll ask the clerk to cast one ballot for Bart Park, for Grand Jorah, for one year term. To elect a second Grand Jorah for a one year term. Nominations? Second. A second. Isn't particularly clear until now but that may be wrong. We also do know that but the conditioning changes work very good. Then oxygwarts, I don't know, it's easier to be selling now, but absolutely the staff is changing. I will just say. I'll continue to say that. One year term, nominations. Bill Matthews is the nominator. Any other nominations? The objections will close nominations. The nomination is closed and asked to cast one ballot for Bill Matthews for an agent to prosecute in the Fenn suits for a one year term. Lastly, under this article, agents who convey real estate for one year term. Nominations? That heart is denominated? Seconded? By Jessica Arsenault. Any other nominations? The objections will close nominations. Nominations closed and asked to cast one ballot for Barb Harvey. Pat Harbent, sorry. For agents to convey real estate for a one year term. Moving on to article three. Shall the town vote to elect two additional select board members each to a term of one year in accordance with statute 17 VSA 1 to 650 subsection B1A. So we'd like to move that. Judy, moved it? The second map? The second. Discussion on this article? Judy. I'm interested in how the members were. I'm interested in how members were serving, feeling like having more people served with them. I've never served on that board. I've served on other boards, but I just like to know what they think about having more people. Would you like to hear from each of them, or do you want to start, Jen, since you're famous? Certainly there would be pluses to either. Some negatives, too. I think we've now speak for Robert, too, when he served. At times, getting the three of us together took some flexibility in scheduling. I could see that being very difficult to get five people all together at the same time. I don't know. You could look at it a lot of different ways. It's hard to say. A three-member board, I think we've worked well together. And I think a three-member board would continue to serve the town well. If we were to go to a five-member board, I would hope that the members that did decide to run would be committed and would not have any personal interests that they're looking out for and look for the best interests of the town. And I'm not sure that tonight that's really what's taking place. I don't know. You want to say anything? I would agree with Jim. My feelings are virtually the same. I can go either way. I think I'm slightly erring on keeping it the way it is. But again, it's tough to say. It's all about the people. So when this first came up, Joanne reached out to other towns that have five-member boards to ask what their experience has been, what input they could have. And there's no question that with five people, there's more people to work if that is their intention, is to help and work. But the other comment was that the meetings end up being longer because there's more people that have something to say. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But the volume of meetings that we end up partaking in, it seems to grow every year. And I'm inclined to keep it a three-person board. But there could be benefits, like Jim said, to both ways. What I'm interested actually is I would like to hear from the person who sponsored this article and what their intent and what their feelings are, why this is something they would like to see happen in the town, if that you'd like to speak on that. Was that based on, was that your? I guess it was. Do thank you for using the word sponsor because this was a process of democracy to put a petition of article together. I did sponsor it. But if the signing by 50-plus residents, probably a few more here. And this is their petition of article. So for me personally, I have more faith in democracy with a five-year report than with three. That's my opinion. But I sure hope that those who signed the petition will speak up tonight. Thank you. Suzy, and last but not least, Bruce. Hi, Suzy Smole. I know that people have signed that petition. The way I was approached was that why not sign this petition implicitly at least allow us to have a discussion? I did not sign this petition with the express purpose of saying that it would be my preference to have five people on this board. I think it's important that that be clarified because I think that many, I have spoken with other people in the board community regarding this and other petitions that their intent in signing the petition was merely to allow the process of having a discussion. It was not a commitment to a particular point of view. That's it for the session. If anyone wanted to grab the second microphone, you could save Robert's steps. My name is Leslie Strauss. I suggest that you vote no. Robert brought up, which I was going to bring up, that a quorum is two. And the select board members that I have known in our famous town respect those issues. They don't need to have coffee and decide issues for the town as a two-member team. A five-member team allows for two people to meet, have coffee, decide an issue for town, and if you sway a third member, it means you can have collusion. And I think we're a tiny town. It's very difficult to get three. You could get people who are hard to get on the board for a single issue. I say no. I'm Bruce Flewelli. I've been important and involved with boards, committees, working groups, fast boards, you name it. We're my entire adult life. And they've ranged in numbers from three to 20 or more. And it's been my experience that the larger the group, the more difficult it is to come to some kind of a sensible conclusion of issues to get dragged on and on and on and never reach a conclusion. The other thing is, I think if you go to five-member board, you've increased the number by two-thirds. Now, I don't believe the population of Rochester has increased by two-thirds in the last year or so. So I'm urging all of you to vote with me and vote this article down. You're covered in the middle. I have to say thank you to the board because I have talked to you for your professional behavior and your activities. You've done a really good job, in my opinion. And my dad used to say, if anything, bro, don't break it. So leave it be. Good question, John. Can we move to question? We can stop discussion with a two-thirds vote to stop discussion. So the questions we're going to follow. All those in favor of stopping discussion, say aye. Aye. Those who like discussion to continue, say nay. So we've ended discussion. We'll go to a vote. Part three shall the town vote to elect two additional select board members each to a one-year return in accordance with Vermont State Statute 172650B1A. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Nay. The article does not pass. Article four was to elect two select board members if article three had passed. So we will pass over article four. Article five, to hear and act on the report of the auditors. Is there anyone, is there an auditor who wants to have a second? Outside. Outside. No discussion. Yeah. All those in favor of accepting the auditor's report, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say no. This is one of those articles that everyone does indicate. They do it every year. To hear and act on the reports of the town officers. Article six. Someone will move. Move. I didn't see who. Okay. Any discussion? The report of the town officers. Motion to accept the reports. Second. Any further discussion? We'll move to a vote. Any discussion? All those in favor of accepting the town officers report, say aye. Aye. The report of the town officers. Report accepted. Article seven. Will the voters agree to pay all the taxes for fiscal year in July 1, 2018, to the June 30, 2019, the town treasurer has provided buy ball. Move that. Move. Any discussion? No discussion. Close discussion. Move to a vote. Will the voters agree to pay all the taxes for fiscal year in July 1, 2018, to June 30, 2019, to the town treasurer has provided buy ball. All those in favor say aye. Aye. I said it. Article seven passes. Article eight. Will the voters vote to continue the quarterly tax payment schedule with payments to August 15, 2018, November 15, 2018, February 5, 2019, May 15, 2019, October 4, 2018. On each voted due date, post-mart, I've not considered time to move that. Some have moved. Any discussion? No discussion. Close discussion. Move to a vote. All in favor of voters vote to continue the quarterly tax payment schedule with payments to November 15, 2018, February 15, 2019, and May 15, 2019, you know, later than... So! Those marks are not considered time to think at all if they were to say that. Aye! That was about the same thing. I's had article 8 passes. Article 9, with the bowlers approved of a budget of $1,061941 to meet the expenses and liabilities of the town of Rochester, with $703,899 to be raised from property taxes. We'll move. Moved by David. Seconded by Ethan. Discussion? There are none. We'll close discussion. Yeah. I have a question. Ah, okay. Do we not table this until we have voted on article 10? Excuse me? I'll be on Harvey. Do we not table this motion until we have voted on article 10 through 14 to have a correct article to be raised by process? That's appropriations. They're all part of that? Appropriations and the reserve expenditure. Can you help your mic to go in? The appropriations and the reserve articles are all part of the total budget, so they're already in that number, but if you wanted to break them out, you can vote them separately when we should do that again. So do we have articles 11, 12, 13, and 14? Yes. 10 through 14? Yeah. I thought you just said the reserve. Yeah, I believe that's right, Dan, through 14. So when we pass the total budget that is up for a vote now, if any of those other articles do not pass, then the budget will be reduced by that much, as far as I understand. Does that include article 10? Yeah. So article 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are included in the $703,000 figure or the $1 million figure? The $1 million figure. Somebody's got a question up there. Any other questions? Just one question. It seems to me, by comparing the budget with the last year's budget, that the total amount went up, that the town, the amount we raised by taxes went down, if I'm correct. Can you give a quick explanation as to how that's going to go? A quick explanation is the budget and finance committees spent about 24 meetings. I don't know how many hours working on this. And the part that went down is basically related to different grants we can expect in other monies that come in other than tax monies. And that varies from year to year. Any other discussion or questions? No objection. We'll close the debate and move to the vote. Will the voters approve a budget of $1,061,941 to meet the expenses and liabilities of the town of Rochester with 703,899 to be raised from property taxes. All in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. Article 9 passes. Article 10, see if the voters will vote to appropriate the following summits as requested by these community agencies. America Red Cross 250, Capstone Community Action 300, Central Vermont Council on Aging 3,000, Clara Martin Center 2066, Greenup Vermont 100, One Planet Accessible Program 1000, Orange County Parent Child Center 500, Quicktown Senior Center 9,380, Safe Line Incorporated 500, Stagecoach 1300, Vermont Rural Fire Hydrant 100, Vermont Nursing Association 4,800, excuse me, Visiting Nurse Association 4,800, White River Partnership 875, White River Valley Ambulance 71,757 and Women's Safe 500, for a total of $96,428. Vote by Ethan. Seconded. Do you need a chance to make your vote? Discussion? Vote in the back. The big item, of course, is the annuals. I think it went up by about 5%. Somebody is out red for the annuals, so it's here in the street. I'm Vick. I'm the Rochester Rep for the Board of White River Valley Agents. I also serve as the President of the Board as of October. There are basically three reasons why the grade went up. One is that part of Brookfield, where Brookfield was seen to be far enough from the annual space in Bethel, that we couldn't respond as timely as we'd be desirable. So the range that was worked out with... Very, very good. Thank you. It's explained in page 78 today. Very time-chipped to cover that area. And so approximately 600 residents of that area were removed from service responsibility at work, and it also meant that that number of people and their associated... The capital was removed from the budget for this coming year. Second reason is that the actual volume that occurred in 2017 was a good bit below what was budget expected. There were a couple of months in particular that fell off for no obvious reason other than perhaps just a statistical flu. But nevertheless, we had to take that into account in terms of the projected volume of the forthcoming year. Volume is projected on a three-year rolling basis. We noted that some other annual services around the state have also seen less than expected volume. And so the volume rejection, which is where revenue comes from in terms of insurance came first and was lower than what otherwise might be the case. The third thing is on the expenses front. The per capita had been held steady at $60 per capita for four years. And as with everything else, the expenses do well this year. And we just couldn't hold many expenses any longer. And so, and even with staff taking a second year of no raises and taking on more responses of health insurance expenses, cost of everything goes up in this gasoline or what have you. So those three factors together generated a 5% increase over the past year, which if you think about it in a longer term sense, it's actually about 1% over the past five years. And that's what it takes to run the service. There are two annulances on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and they serve 10 pounds. Again, that's to explain the fact of the report tonight. Does that answer your question, Ron? Thanks, Steve. The question is back there. I just got a question for Victor. I just wanted to learn something in the paper about jobs. I just wondered how that's going to affect things out of the road. Well, it's all uncertain at this point. We have a dialogue going, we have a dialogue going with Mr. Bell, the new town manager for Randall. His interest is to reduce the tax burden of citizens and certainly in order for that. He's pursuing an interest in finding a way to reduce their contribution towards the ambulance service. And the two ways that he's described that he would like to explore are, one, having the town of Randall start their own ambulance service, or two, threatening to start their own ambulance service so that the other nine towns would contribute more. So, I'm not making this up. But nevertheless, I do think that if a word comes to pass and the word starts an ambulance service, I would be very concerned, first of all, about how that service would support Randall given the kind of parameters that he's thinking of. And secondly, financially, it could be a very serious matter for whatever, and our ability to provide services that might put back the number of ambulances under the or the decrease of the response time, could be one of the different things. So it's a little early to describe what the outcome would be. But we'll know more after the town meeting of this week and the work of board needs to, and since I forgot where we're going here. But if he's talking about next year, it's not for this coming year, it's about this time. It won't be that. Any other discussion? Any questions? One over here? I just have a question. Do we pay for the meals that the ambulance service needs? And also, do we pay for them using the ambulance to go to the grocery store and buy their food? They buy their own meals. There are some stock supplies of coffee and other things. In the on-call room at the ambulance base. They have in the past, I know, taken the ambulance to Red and Herons for the service. They go to stock and pick up food at the grocery store. That might be happening, but I can't say. If they're on duty and going and in service, they'll take the radios with them and they get called or go on a call. I just want to express my appreciation for the service. For you, the demographics of this area are definitely older and as is the law in general, and I think it's very important to have this service. And I just want to acknowledge that. Thank you. Any other discussion? As far as discussion and the vote, I'm content to see if the voters will vote appropriate for following the summits as required, requested by these community agencies. If there are no objections, I will not read them. For a total of $96,482. $28. All in favor, say, hi. Those opposed, say, me. Nice have it. Article 11, will the voters approve an amount of $60,000 to continue funding the Highway Equipment Reserve Fund? Move it in. Second, please. Move on to the agency. Second. Alvino, second. Discussion? Mason? D-60, which I have a problem with. The question has, how do we work toward reducing the volume of tax money? When I look on page 45, where we have a budget, and there's one column speaking about education, I assume that's education for the drivers, that's $300. I'm not sure what type of education that is. Where do we start talking about water quality? We have $40,000 in salt and in these expenses, how do we start backing off? What type of thoughts does this like to have on where we go with our responsibility to water quality? Well, backing off and dealing with water quality does not add up to less expensive. We are facing new regulations from the state to address water quality and erosion and runoff off of roads. I think we've already received a grant to study and analyze our road system and identify the hotspots. And being such a hilly terrain, you look at the map of the state and where these projects are going to have the biggest impact financially in Rochester is lit up like a Christmas tree with all the hotspots compared to over in the Champlain Valley, which is ironic because that's where most of the agricultural runoff is going into the water. So in terms of trying to reduce the costs, a few years ago we struggled to triple our gravel expense just to try and catch up with the lack of maintenance of the roads and at the same time not have our budget go through the roof. So if your question is how do we go about reducing the expense of maintaining a road system and having it be safe in the winter, that's a challenge. It's not a question of reducing it so much as limiting the increase. Do you have anything you want to say on that? Actually Article 11 is just... I believe Article 11 is just to deal with the Equipment Reserve fund amount. John and then you can call the question. Any discussion? All in favor of ending discussion? Say aye. Aye. Nice have it. So anything you would have to... That will move to a vote on Article 11. Will the voters approve an amount of $60,000 to continue funding the Highway Equipment Reserve Fund? All in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. Ayes have it. Article 11 passes. Article 12, will the voters approve an amount of $15,000 to continue funding the Fire Department Equipment Reserve Fund? Someone could move in second that. I'm going to move it and John second. Any discussion? I'm curious if we actually should amend it to $30,000. And the reason... I'm feeling that because it's a reserve fund, correct? And will we have a reserve fund if we vote this in or has this money already been spent? $15,000. So would you like to answer your question before you make a motion to... A lot would be part of the discussion. Because I was only the impression we may have already spent this money. Can someone answer that form and get to this amendment? No, we have not already spent this money. We're talking about the budget for next fiscal year, which doesn't start until July 1st. So this would be in addition to the ongoing reserve fund. And in terms of doubling that to $30,000, we worked very hard and scraped pennies everywhere we could to keep the increase of the budget as low as possible. If you want to amend that to go up to $30,000, that would just add $15,000 to the budget number that we passed earlier. So that's your prerogative. So Mason, do you want to... No, I was just... So this money wasn't used to purchase the new $65,000, well, used truck because we did buy it. I don't know if you did. Did you change your truck for $65,000? Have we had enough money to do that? Yes. Without using this 15? Yes, this money is nowhere near that account right now. We're talking about next year. I don't know, Terry, you went and looked at it. Right. What was your decision? To buy it. To buy it, okay. But yet, the money is going to be spent part of it. Part of it, okay. Part of this 15 will go towards the... Part of the 15 will be going towards the new truck. Okay. Thank you. Great discussion. I was just going to say that this truck was not available until August of 2018. Is that correct, Terry? That's correct. So by the time July 1st, 2018 comes around, this will be part of that fiscal year. Okay. We'll take what we need to pay the balance of that truck. Any other discussion? You moved the article? Yeah, we moved... No, discussion. Up here, we called the question down here, Robert. Our other committee doesn't vote to close the discussion. I'll come back to you. All in favor of closing the discussion, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Okay. Discussion closed. We'll move to a vote. We owe the voters to approve an amount of $15,000 to continue funding the Fire Department Equipment Reserve Fund. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Those opposed, say nay. Ayes have it. It's article 12, it passes. Article 13, will the voters approve an amount of $15,000 to continue funding the Town Buildings and Property Reserve Fund? We'll move in a second, please. And now we move in a second. Thank you. Any discussion? I just have a question. Is the library considered one of the Town Buildings? Yeah. Yes. Yes, that... Yeah, the library does pull some of the funds out of this when things need to happen there. Basically. Thank you for this particular reserve. Well, some of the goals be to save money in relation to our overall electric bill that we taxpayers pay between seven different pages. And this is a Homer Brown situation. And he was wonderful about dissecting the budget and figuring out such issues. After totaling out eight different electric bills that we have, we have $24,150. And it seems to me in 2008, the concept of backmetering had already existed. That's about a quarter million dollars in electric bills that we paid in the last 10 years. In this reserve, are we thinking about backmetering? That's not where this money is directed. This is more for just maintenance, like making sure that the roof stopped leaking and just taking care, basically taking care of the buildings. Back to you, Mace. Okay. We're going to have a chance to figure out some stuff. Yeah, Dan. Yeah. We have made some improvements with our energy bills. It was within the last year that we switched all of our street lighting to LED lights. Most of you probably noticed they're much brighter. They're actually on. And it's reduced our monthly street lighting bill by between two and $250 per month. Mace, and you've been coming to a lot of these meetings, board meetings, and these meetings every year. And what do you figure out and say, what have you done and what have you done? So I have to ask you at what point have you gone out to seek grants and write grants so that the town can secure them? Do you want to respond to those questions, Mace? I don't understand why you're doing that. Because like served on the school board, I'm going to act, I'm here dissecting the electric bill. You're saying, hey, we could save a quarter of a million dollars? A quarter of a million dollars. What are you doing? Turn out the lights. No. Well, that quarter of a million dollars could be used to repair buildings. Accordingly, I'm looking at the numbers, and I'm part of the community. I'm going, hey, let's start saving money. When do we start doing it? Do we start living the future, or are we going to let the future step up? Mace, and we all work for the town. And this community has a lot of talent, and anybody can step up and help this board and write a grant any day of the week. You could have researched the grants for what you want, and that's fine. And I think, you know, I've been waiting for you to do that. John, wait. Yes. Still a question. What's back metering? What is back metering? Yeah. Back metering generally would be if we had a way of producing electricity here. Rochester used to produce electricity off of the river. Now it would probably be solar electric. And if you produce more than you consume, you couldn't get a credit towards you. You don't have a solar. No, we don't. There was a few years ago, there was a few years ago, the town at a meeting like this authorized the town to spend up to $40,000 to install solar panels on, and we failed to find a suitable location on town property to do that. And we also brought it to a vote to join a remote situation where we would have bought into a field out of the town of Rochester. And that was defeated at a special vote. Put your hands up, please. Please, do you have a hand up? Did you want to? That was a good question. Okay. This might be more pertinent overall, like it's up on my lines, please tell me one thing that would help us save money is less people sitting in the town. That would be a big one. I thought we had a rule at the beginning that there were going to be no personal attacks. I'll second that. Is that correct? I did not name any names. We can start this if we want. Any other discussion? All questions. Okay. Questions or comments? Any discussion? Any discussion? Any discussion? Any discussion? Move Susan seconded to Halina. Discussion? Any none. The objections will close the discussion. Move to a vote on Article 14. Will the voters approve an amount of $1,000 to fund the Tennis Reserve funds for ongoing and future court maintenance? Well, dem was that right? Let's post Arigal 14 passes. Article 15 to act to transact any other legal and proper business that you bought before the meeting. Someone move this? Yes. Yes, that's Ron Lee. I motion that the town of Rochester starting July 1st, 2018, provide digital video recording of all select board meetings and town meetings only, and that was the results of those recordings to be uploaded to the town website. I second that. Okay, so is that done? Sorry. This was... Okay, so this isn't binding, it could be a recommendation. No binding business can be done through any other business article, but it could make the recommendations of the select board that they could take under advisement. So this topic has come up and you may have noticed the woman over here to my right. And she is from Orca Media, as Dan mentioned earlier, which is a non-profit organization, and their mission is to promote participation in local government by providing free video production services in the town served by Orca Media. They're dedicated to the principles of free speech, content neutrality, localism, civic engagement, and tolerance of diverse opinions and perspectives. So on the heels of our discussion about saving money for the town, this is their mission. We are part of the town that they serve. So we already have this service, so I'm not sure why we should pay to double it. Start giving Orca some money. Yes, I mean, this isn't a welfare town, is it? I mean, we've got money for everything else, why don't we record some of our stuff here? So in the future, if you want to research something, you can go back and actually find it. This is already happening. If you want to donate, this is a non-profit organization, you can donate that. The town, as a town, yeah. The Orca Media services are funded by the cable networks and TV stations that, by agreement with their licensing, put money into a fund for public use. And this is one of those public uses. We are already paying for it. You're paying for it in your cable bill. Actually, I raised this at a select board meeting. You have the light there? I raised this at a select board meeting. I indicated to June that I'd follow up. We recently had a large group of steers arrive in electric cars. And from Boston, it's about 165 miles, and their range was 200. So I had the opportunity to find out where all the charging stations and the surrounding towns were located, just to advise them where they could pull off and they could be charged. So I'd like to talk to Steve about what plans we have for having some kind of electric charging possibilities in Rochester. You know, they happen in Middlebury, they happen in South Wilton, they happen in Watesfield. It seems like we're missing an opportunity to be attracting people. We've turned you to the motion and the discussion of the motion has made. What was the motion, I'm sorry? The motion. We donated $5,000 to Orca. That was it. But let's be clear about Orca. Orca is a nonprofit that, for example, on a federal level, we may lose those funds very soon. And Orca is a nonprofit and it is not our personal town's best interest. We're talking about storage that's done by our paid employees so that the public will have accurate ability to see what's going on in our website, on our website. So we can actually download anything that Orca has into our website for our town protection. We can't be guaranteed that Orca will be there for us. And this is what this is about. This is about where we go in the future with digital recording for all to participate in democracy. Thank you, Andrea. So one of the things that you can do with websites is that you can link them to other websites. So if that's something that you're interested in and bringing awareness to local support for local government, then maybe that's something that we can look into instead of actually storing the videos on the website and not really telling people to go to the website and link to Orca. Do you think Orca will find those for you? Susie, did you other? Yeah. It's my understanding that all of the select board meetings, as well as this meeting, there are minutes taken, which are recorded and checked at the town court and are accessible to any of the issues to access them. Is that the date? They're kept at the town clerks and also posted to the town website. So if we're concerned that's saving you money, I would like to suggest that that's where you continue reading. I guess I just have to say that with the age of the internet and where we are now, it's good to consider viewing those websites and also, like she says, that if you upload it to YouTube, that's the commercial for profit side. And once you put those videos there, you don't really necessarily have the rights to videos anymore, in one sense. The other question is, of course, is a free and open society. How do we protect ourselves against people who are working against the virtues and motives of, say, non-profit organization and non-profit listed this time? So how do people in California or people out of this country need to be seeing what's happening in these town meetings? Because I can't see anything on that camera. And as a point of just having some resistance to just freely giving up our images and what we're saying and our ideas and our identities to something to be done is necessarily no. I think it's a really good idea to also vet this concept of protecting ourselves against those who will sort of take things from the internet. Is there a recommendation? No, this is not my business. There is no question. There's no question. Someone could move me here. I don't think so. I'll put your hands up. Frank. Could you, again, June, I didn't understand. I didn't understand what you were carrying on this conversation about. Could you respond about what plans the drawing boards would be the next stage of development of the parking ride, which is across from the fire station north of town, on the north end of town, there is the next phase would be to get a grant for electrical vehicle charging station there. So that is in the plans. I can't tell you when that's going to happen, but it's coming. I don't want to say this is non-binding business in this article, but we can or you can make a recommendation. The assembly can make a recommendation to do the board. If you did want to move to have a recommendation to X, Y, or Z, we could discuss it and we could vote on it to see, to show the select board how the town felt about something like that. We can do this, but it's not binding. They don't have to do it if you vote yes. I can talk pretty loud. People may not know that with EC Fiber putting a table throughout our town that I believe EC Fiber is mandated by federal law to put on all the town, local towns, meetings, as well as all their activities. And that should be free because they're paying a franchise fee to put that cable throughout our town. So we should check into that because I'm sure there's mandates that they have to accomplish for all of us. Fort John's had a chance right behind you, Chris, for the first time. Other behind you, Chris. I don't really want microphones. Chris Patrick, I guess my recommendation to the board would be, you know, we voted on Article 9, which included all of the dollar amounts in Article 10 through 14. Therefore, when we passed Article 9, we actually passed Article 10 through 14 already. It just seems odd to pass the budget and then subtract from it if we don't pass one of the subsequent articles. So maybe next year, like rearranging the sequence of the articles. That's how I understood what Joanne described what we did. I'm not sure if that's correct or not, but it seems kind of backwards the way it was described. The Article 9 is for the general budget and the highway budget. Right. Article 9 is for the general town fund budget and the highway budget. I want to make sure that those budgets, with these following articles, so that that will seem out to be raised by taxes goes up. It's been this way every year. That's how we do it every year. That's how she said it. So I had that backwards. Go ahead, Alia. So that goes back to my original question. When you were doing a math to be raised by taxes, it has to be the general budget plus all the appropriations that you're making. So then you have to delay that vote on that amount to be raised by taxes until you have passed everything in the appropriations to have a final figure that everybody votes on to be raised by taxes. You're saying vote the total budget after you vote the general budget. Yes, that makes sense. It's just a matter of going to the right. I would like to make a recommendation that the town budget figures be voted after the appropriation figures are voted upon. Just to make, I'd like to have a total figure that we are paying that's to be raised by taxes. 891,327. Is that what you've got, Nancy? Yes, 848. Result on the general budget, the highway budget. After that we add the appropriations and we add the transfers to the research. So you're telling us that Article 9 was not a full budget. Did you say what you needed to say there, just the page numbers? Page 48. That's all you needed to get your hands up. Yes. It's appropriate. I'd like to speak. That's the town representative of 2BC Fife. I think I've been under the word for a couple of years now. Apologizing for how slow things are. I'd like to say that this year every home in Rochester by the end of the year ought to be able to have IC Internet Service over fiber optic cables. Consider it was better than anything. Anybody who can see it can count as far as I may understand it. I want to thank everyone for their patience. We've worked hard. This is some multi-multi-money dollar practice that we're doing. We're going to spend just a couple of million dollars just in Rochester to get cable all the way up to Columbus. I'd like to say that if you want it, you should touch the BC fiber. There's a contact number in the paper in the town report. And let them know that you want service to your house so that when the cables are brought up on all the side roads, you will be on their list of people they will contact and you will leave that one soon to get service. I have to say that as a board member, we deal with big stuff. But if you do have a question, get in touch with me. I may have to get back to you on some of the details. But I thank everybody for their patience. And I hope you do sign up. One of the things, you go to a very seasonal place, if you do want to have cable service to your house and you want it from underground, as some people don't like to have a cable to their home, you will have to open this summer, get in touch with a contractor to light a new condo with a pipe of underground during the haul to your home. You see fiber will give you guidance on that. But you can't do it once the ground creases again. And a lot of the service may not go in until after that point. So if you do want an underground service to your home, you need to contact a contractor and probably arrange for a private contractor, which they may be able to help you find to get that service. Again, we have one other point, I think it's in the vein. Town does not support us other than once you sign up for service, you will be paying a fee, but we are an independent company. We appreciate where people get in and pass, and I'm pleased to say that we are finally going to have service. Thank you. Thank you. Move to adjourn. Yes. Move to adjourn. Okay. Is that alright? Aye. Close. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.