 Hello, hi. It's really nice to see so many people joining, really looking forward to our discussion today. It's London Climate Action Week event that's looking at enhanced direct access, what I wish I knew at the start. My name is Clara Gallagher. I'm a researcher on climate finance at IED. And today we're going to be talking about one specific mechanism that is really valuable for trying to access climate finance in a way that can help deliver locally led adaptation. This process is called Enhanced Direct Access or EDA. So as people come in, I'll introduce the format of our discussion today. We're going to be having this as like quite an informal kind of chat. The idea of it is that it's a talk show, and we're going to be having some interviews, some reporting. I'm going to pretend to be a correspondent at some point, so you have that to look forward to. And we'll be all centering around this idea of what can be done to get better access to climate finance to the local level. So we're going to be having this honest and quite frank discussion, so look forward to it and we can crack on. And we're going to start with just explaining what Enhanced Direct Access is, what is locally led adaptation, why am I here banging on about it. So locally adaptation is important because as an approach it seeks to give local stakeholders opportunities and support to really lead adapting their communities to climate change. It gives communities on the frontline of climate impact a voice and decisions that directly affect their lives and livelihoods. And over the last few years, quite a lot of momentum has grown around these eight principles for locally led adaptation, which can be used to guide those that are seeking to support LLA. And there's some some more information available about the LLA principles that were kind of co developed over quite a long time available here. And the typical way that the climate finance is accessed at the moment through the major climate funds isn't isn't great for LLA. The processes are long, they're really complex, very difficult to understand and pretty top down countries and local stakeholders are demanding great efforts and commitments on putting more resources into the hands of local adaptation priorities. And so one response to this is the mechanism called Enhanced Direct Access that we're talking about today. It's a way that the Green Climate Fund and Adaptation Fund have kind of tried to develop to allow for devolved decision making, which is principle number one of the principles for locally led adaptation. So to have more localised decision making on what climate finance is spent on. And the process doesn't have to be contained to these two climate funds so it's a model that could be adopted by other finance providers. And the key elements of EDA are that the funds, the climate funds, so people like the Green Climate Fund like the Adaptation Fund, they approve the mechanism that's used to disperse the use of the climate finance they give out. And so it's the process of fund disbursement that they're interested in, not whether they approve of you know how, when and where every last dollar of a project is being spent. So that's the kind of the shift of what's different for Enhanced Direct Access. And it takes that decision making on what EDA, on what the finance should be spent on away from the board level and to a more devolved level to the national level. And that's quite a big change from the way that usual projects are managed. It requires multi-stakeholder input on the plan for dispersing the funds. There's a high emphasis on consultation and meaningful consultation in how these EDA projects are put together. And it allows for a lot more country and context specific approaches and flexibility in the way that you choose how to disperse the finance which gives more control to in-country entities. So really quickly I'll just run through some of the key terms that you might hear in the discussion as we go through so you can kind of stay grounded in the tech, in the terms. So we have the climate funds. So we're talking about the GCF and the Adaptation Fund at the moment. And these approve the Enhanced Direct Access projects that have been proposed by the direct access entities and national implementing entities. So these are entities that have got this status of having direct access to the funds and the ability to on-grant the money to entities kind of in country. Direct access means that they don't need to have any intermediary handling the funds for the project on their behalf. They're able to access them directly. So they handle the Enhanced Direct Access funds. They're responsible for complying with all the standards and guiding the executing entities. And these executing entities then is the next term. These are organizations that implement Enhanced Direct Access with and within communities and they can be all kinds of different legal organization depending on how each country wants to organize themselves. There might be community-based organizations or national NGOs or the private sector or indigenous peoples associations. And they work with the local communities themselves to build capacities in climate adaptation skills or project management skills as well, how to handle the funds, how to engage with external climate finance. And then all of this is overseen by another term, the National Designated Authority. So these are the kind of overwatching body that makes sure that all of the work that's going on aligns with what the country wants, what's kind of in their policies and laws and making sure and they have a strong kind of monitoring oversight and approval role in the process rather than in a regular project. So before we begin our chat, it will be useful maybe just to frame this in terms of why are we talking about this. So if this is such a great way of delivering finance, how come it's still considered new and innovative and why is it not happening everywhere? Like direct access is a priority for the least developed country, the LDC group and enhanced direct access is also essential to the LDC initiative for effective adaptation and resilience. And in part of this they're seeking to have at least 70% of climate finance flows supporting local level action by 2030. So this way of moving finance around from the boards, devolving that decision making and then dispersing it onwards is one key mechanism that could support that long term aim. But it's really difficult to manage. It's really difficult to do the standards that you have to meet are incredibly high. And it takes a long time to achieve direct access alone, but not even moving on to enhance direct access. It also represents a shift in the way that the funds themselves have to work. And for them to be okay with flexibility and with having, you know, trust that the direct access entities are, you know, suggesting things that are right for their context and circumstances and it requires a great deal of learning and learning takes time on how to implement EDA. So I hope that sets the scene so it is a bit of a whistle stop tour to try and make up some time last, but let me introduce in a May Gordon the principal director of climate change and the government of Jamaica and host of our LLA chat show so I'm looking forward to this really informal and frank discussion in a male flaws yours. Thank you so much Clara. Lots of information this morning. Morning colleagues morning everyone from Jamaica. Good afternoon. It's it's a sunny morning here. Jamaica is known for chat shows and talk shows and all of that so we are delighted to be in this space. We know adaptation is really local and power setting the scene really very well, and locally led adaptation, as we know, and what we're talking about here this morning will have global impact. If it is done correctly, but it needs this elusive climate finance that we all talk about really really lose it. And finance for us is a huge challenge as as you hear Clara saying, and why is it so difficult still. I think an answer direct access. I hear you saying there. It is long complex and understanding maybe a new acronym that we really there. This mechanism that was established to move decision making move the decision making power of the funds adaptation and the GCF, and to bring it down to local level, but it's still, as you said remains really really very hard. So this morning I have my very August team here with me and we are going to interrogate a little bit. I have here with me. And, and I'm going to kick off with you marinella foil, and she's the executive director from from the fund corporation hi marinella welcome into the space. I'm going to start with you. I'm going to start with you marinella and I'll introduce my other team members as we go along really going to start with you to see to know to understand, because there is no question that an answer direct access can serve a purpose and be effective in the in the access architecture, but early understanding, and it's modality is really really paramount to us so I'm going to start with you, because you have been in the space you have tried, and you have some lessons to share. So I'll kick off with you on a question. What are some of the benefits that you see here. Really just be, be very honest with us and to all what are really some of the benefits that you see from this elusive mechanism still here as we go along and I'll hand over to you marinella you have the floor. Share with us. Thank you and I may and I think you really use the very powerful and rightful objectives there. Yeah, it is an innovative and elusive mechanism, but it's also such a powerful effective mechanism. We have been implementing a program as an entity of direct access for the adaptation fund and we have been implementing a program that evolved or was born as an EDA, even before EDA was named EDA. So we have really learned from the process. It really is very interesting because adaptation is about zooming in. And this is pretty much what the enhanced direct access is so it's, we have a program where there is more than different 40 different executing entities. Usually projects are just one or two executing entities, but when you go down, you reach out to the local communities you reach out and move the decision making to the local organizations and identify and okay. Yeah, we need to, you know, act in this or do this activities adaptation activities or actions to reduce vulnerability. But, you know, when they have the power to take the decision, you know, the how and the where, perhaps it's, you know, it gets improved because it gets really to the local needs. There's also more commitment among them on what to do and how to make sure that they are there in group. We had in all in all of our cases we had more results than before expected when the local organizations were really committed. And that really makes a difference. The involvement and responsibility and the reaching out in a in a in a far away. I mean, in a farther way than at first expect. Okay, let me let me hold you there a little bit. When you started, when you started this process. What did you expect to happen because are you, are you where you, you expected to happen. What were some of the surprises that you, you, you got on the way in this journey to, to, to get you here. That was a really interesting question because when we started. Yeah, we were, it was kind of a new mechanism and we kind of say well we want to do it, but there was not so much so many previous experiences we actually at that time. We had with Sambi which in in South Africa where we knew that they were kind of going through the same and that was also very interesting for us on on saying how are you doing it and what and we kind of share under our first learning lessons, but we we definitely were impressed on the results we got afterwards they were a lot better this is a process where you learn on the process, I mean I know in general you say well yeah you learn by doing and you have to keep on working on the capacity building and everything, but this is it. I mean you need to know that working with so many organizations with so many challenges, you need to do perhaps a lot more efforts on capacity building on on on developing mutual mechanisms on so you're learning to and you're evolving as a direct access organization. But it also means that the and you mentioned it and Karen mentioned it to the flexibility on on on managing the project and the funding and everything it's very important, because you need to to kind of understand that things. I mean you have things in the way and you need to be actively identifying them to improve them and to tackle them and to I'm going to I'm going to jump back in again because you you you the flexibility one word we learned from COVID is the pivot. What would what did you expect. How would you prepare differently. What do you wish you know at the beginning that that took you to the end what did you expect. I think that it's one of the issues is to understand how to to to dedicate. I mean, let me rephrase it differently. We're now in the process of scaling up. And now we have we're really taking into the learning lessons because now we have the opportunity now we know some things. So one of the things is put a lot more effort on capacity building up your local local organizations to make a better communication back and forth communication with different stakeholders that is something very relevant to take into account. And another issue is really the more than a follow up or a monitoring mechanism is a growing up mutual growing up mechanism I mean it. It's it's a yeah follow up and monitor and everything but understand that it's not just a kind of a supervising kind of monitoring way it's more like an evolving monitoring and growing up together. Thank you. Thank you. Let me stop you there. I'm sure audience will have a lot of input, a lot to do to digest with you pivot. I'm going to pivot straight into my next set of of of of of participants Mackay Mackay you have been in this space. And as we know you can't have direct access direct access without direct access it is impossible. So, this is the first step. And I want to ask you Mackay, what did you wish you know as one of the strong boys in the in the finance architecture what did you say what what would you say you wish you knew at the beginning. Yeah, thanks to me and I hope everyone can hear me. So I think just a step quickly, a bit back is that one thing before even when we got into the process of getting direct access through the AF and the GCF is that we were a part of the design of those two entities. I think it's very important. And not a lot of entities do follow in intimate detail, the policy sort of developments of the Green Climate Fund and adaptation fund but it gives you a comprehensive understanding of how things have, you know, developed and why certain things are in place versus why other things are not in place. So, I think then to go to the quick, the question I had. One thing is the magnitude of resources that are needed for a government entity to support accreditation. So we talk a lot about all the readiness that you get. I can tell you for the fact I think the area at least at a minimum we got 620,000 USD for GCF for to getting our processes and procedures up to speed. And that didn't include all the time and the cost of the government staff and ancillary services that we would need to complement all of those consultants and what have you that would have been spent on that. It's a huge undertaking. And I think government entities need to be realistic with their cabinet. I know at least our director was very frank with our cabinet to make sure that they had a clear understanding of that. And I think another one key point to look at as well, one of my is as well, you having an appreciation as a smaller developing state developing country that those that are in the multilateral climate funds don't necessarily have that understanding and appreciation of your local context. And it's actually your job, as much as possible, to be prepared to educate and educating in great detail. I think that is where that is where my kind of the frankness of the conversation comes in that honesty, both at the local level but also at the international level and the political leadership that is required. To be honest, I'm going to jump to Christa joy because I think and Tegan Barbuda is an is almost a model for us here. Christa joy. You have this wonderful surf on open running in Antigua, and you had to crowding a lot. The civil society organization and the community based organizations. What were the benefits from upskilling these communities what can you share with us from from where the surf on is now and where you started. So, right now, hope everyone can hear me. Thanks for your question. So, with the surf fund, we would have already provided a number of persons grants as well as loans. And this is for community based organizations as well as households, we're looking at vulnerable communities a lot to make sure that they're, they're able to actually like be more resilient. So, from getting the grants and the loans we've seen that we tried not to make sure that they're just getting grants for their buildings, but we also want to make sure that we're building their capacity as well so that it can be more sustainable. So over time. Before we even start projects with them we try to make sure that there are a lot of workshops that are held with the applicants. We go like step by step through the process so that they understand what the grants processes we develop a lot of templates to make sure that they have the procedural manuals or guidelines. They completely understand what it takes to provide a proposal from start to finish and then to actually implement their project. And we also try to provide them with a lot of recommendations for service providers that could also assist them with completing their projects. And the workshops that we have for them would range from waterway management to climate change adaptation, and the grant proposal writing workshops and then from that they're able to understand more about climate change adaptation, understanding the risks associated with it, and they can then go into their communities and not just build resilience but they can also teach other persons. And from that they can continue to have more projects and they can apply for more grants more loans, some other persons aside from just the Department of Environment. So we've seen that it's definitely improved their learning and their understanding. Excellent and I think what you're saying here that it needs in terms of capacity that technical, financial and also the management of the risk as we see. I am going to run across now, we're across to Mandy. Mandy are you there? Are you going to join us this morning? And we know that partnership really is key to achieve success when we when we look for climate finance and I want to ask you Mandy, how do you, do you get the success in your approach to partnership? Thank you so much for the question and I'd like to answer this your question a little bit of a roundabout way by sharing some recent experiences we've had because, as Maria and Ellis said, Sanby began this journey with enhanced direct access, a very long time ago in fact in 2013, the concept of EDA was born, it wasn't called EDA, but it was our proposal to the adaptation fund saying we can't do direct access unless we deliver finance into the hands of local communities themselves. And we began the project in 2015, close out in 2020, which was just as COVID hit. And we visited the projects, there were 12 of them in different areas in South Africa over the last couple of months. And there's some very interesting lessons that have emerged from those visits that I think are quite instructive for how we conceptualize partnerships, but also how we think about EDA. And, you know, what was interesting about the visits was that some of the projects were amazing. They really were two years after COVID, everything is happening and more. Some were really disappointing. And of course that what causes for us is to ask why and what might we do differently if we're wanting to achieve a higher success rate. So just a couple of those things I think are quite instructive. First of all, we need a long time for implementation. Our projects were between 18 months and two and a half years, because it took a long time to get the EDA processes up and running. And so what that meant in a five year implementation period, there was only a really short time for implementation and it's not long enough. If you're trying to do systemic changes if you're trying to do adaptive management, those sorts of things. The process is critical. You've heard it from the colleagues capacity building investing in institutional strengthening investing in the non climate change adaptation things are as important as investing in the climate change adaptation things. And I don't think the funds recognize that they want to count the number of people who benefited or the number of assets that were invested in. And they don't factor in that again if you wanting to close the missing middle if you wanting to do system systemic change. It's those other things how do you count for your budgets that are already critical. Then the third point I've only got for the third point is how easily compliance is misunderstood. It's required to cascade really complicated well intended directives from the funds, often in the form of the safeguards to the ground. And when they hit the ground, they often result in my adaptation. And I think there's quite a lot to be said about re interpreting the way we apply the safeguards no one means for things to go wrong but they have and they do. And I think we need to have a frank discussion about when the board member says, we need to mainstream gender into whatever whatever. Let's look at what it really means on the ground for how we read this. I'm going to, I'm going to shoot another another question because I hear you saying, as we all know in this space that we really it's a long term effort, a real real long term effort, and that they, if we're talking adaptation it has to be local. And therefore, the build out of the type of partnership. It's everybody's business. And it's everything all rock top, not just the focus on climate change. But I want to ask you specifically and honestly if you are to change some aspects about at the beginning because we are looking. If you had to change anything at the beginning, and all of what you're saying now is what you learned if you had to change anything at the beginning, what would that have been. I think I would change two things I'm going to be cheeky and say two things the one is our change expectations, because this work is very difficult. I think that if we sugarcoated and pretend that it's easy. I think we will create a misunderstanding around what it takes to do this and what it takes to resource this. And then the second thing, you need the right intermediary partners, because for climate finance to get to the ground, the local communities need to have partners that were there before, and that will be there after. So when we talk about sustainability, we need to practice sustainability before the projects close so that when they close the intermediary partners are still there to help solve the things that inevitably go wrong. So I think it's all about partnerships actually I think it's about putting the right kinds of partnerships together in a way that we really really build local agency for this work. And for that it needs to be uncomplicated. It needs to be easy. It needs to be all these things and sadly, in the climate finance space. I think if we were to bring the Sanby enhanced direct access project today to the climate funds, I don't think it would be funded, because I think I'm going to jump in again Monday and you can look me straight in the eye look straight in the camera, and if for somebody out there in the space that is going to begin this process and it's in that position to start this process, give me one thing just one in one little sentence what would you tell that person. I would say it's worth it do it because the transformative difference it makes on the ground is profound. Thank you Monday. All right so audience you have heard from from from all my panelists you have heard from all my speakers. No, no holds barred here. So we did some research and I'm going to, we had a correspondent. That went to went about, and you have heard from everybody I'm going to bring back Sylvia, Clara, and I'm going to bring you back to to just give us a report. What did you hear from as a correspondent on the road. What did you hear give us that give us that report and a recap from the recent meeting that we had and I bring you in here, so that you can, you can say, and you can say where some of the myths that we we heard are some of the honesty that we heard here. Thanks. So, yeah, as you're saying, Sylvia Mancini here, you recently hosted a workshop on EDA. And so do you just want to tell us quickly what happened and what kind of entities participated. And I will not stop the honesty here. I think it's fantastic. Absolutely. So from the from the mandate project and long way up to really hosting a workshop that adaptation funding cooperation with the cooperation parallel disorder sustainability and has organized a three days workshop on and announced direct access in Costa Rica from the 21st to the 23rd of June so we recently came back this is very recent. And the workshop was attended by the National Implementing Entity by the designated authority that wish to start the accreditation for the second night in the country, and also from representative of course from the existing EDA projects that presented their experience with EDA, and also some executive entities so it was a great experience. Brilliant. And what was kind of the strongest themes then that came out of the workshop. Well, I believe I continue with what already is said but definitely one of the, one of the, the feeding that we got was really the increased the country ownership with regard to the project activities that really strengthened locally led option adoption, sorry, adaptation, and the strengthen institutional and really individual capacity also sub national level so really the strengthening of locally led adaptation at all levels sees has been very key. So, of course, we at the adaptation fund are in her doing are developing the medium term strategy for the 2023 2027 period. And let me tell you how locally land adaptation is considered definitely key area. And of course EDA has been a specific category of local adaptation. So, I believe that all of this, all the experience that we have had in Costa Rica, in terms of knowledge sharing and in terms of all the, all the elements that you brought up on all of those wonderful words that you mentioned flexibility partnership sustainable capacity meeting all of that was part of the workshop and it will be considered also in the medium term strategy of the adaptation. So if you go through these processes, we, and then reflecting at the workshop, were there ever times when you're like, oh, we're surprised by this like, you know, what, I wasn't, I really wasn't expecting this to come out as an answer is there something then that you can, you can learn from this, this moment and kind of reapply it in in your processes going forward, you know, with the adaptation fund being an endorser of the locally led adaptation principles. And one of the, I think one of the beauty of the adaptation fund is the number of staff of the I have had been there for a long time to see also how we went from the experience of all of the even the EDA how in matured over the years, in conjunction with the direct access so I was, we have been, we call it in the adaptation fund a family a community so we have always the surprise is almost never there because we know it from from all of us but this time we continue to be really surprised by the commitment that the national implementing entities have with regard to locally led adaptation. So really to how the demand for adaptation adaptation of financing is higher, and how the national implementing entities have responded to, to this commitment, you know, to the commitment and to this, you know, request of engagement so we have at the level of the adaptation fund. So we have opened a window in 2020 the board has approved at five million per country fund with which will be additional to the 20 million per country so it's outside of the camp. So of course we'll really provide an opportunity for for national implementing entity to do what you are requiring in terms of capacity building, so then to design and implement their own project to locally led actions. That's great. So we've had, then from our from our correspondence interview that there's, there's a lot of emphasis being put behind this program and that this, the people are committed to making this work. But we'll go back to in a man other interviewees to see what's resonated what's familiar what's what's need some tweaking. I'll hand back over to you. And I see we we having in the chat here this issue of the climate rationale. Really, I've shown and I heard you Sylvia but I'm going to ask my, my interview is now really really you have heard from the correspondent report. Usually, these are no holds barred report you stick the mic in the face, but what I want to ask you what resonated most you participated in this what resonated most with with each of you and I'm going to ask you. If you had a magic wish this one one that we raise to to change something about the rules you have to follow about the climate rationale set by the front to access. What would that be. I'll start with you Christa joy. Alright, so. Well, I, I don't know, I would say, in terms of providing for persons. It's good for countries in general to be able to have this enhanced their access. I think it helps on taking bravado because then us being able to choose which projects that we want to, we want to select at the local level, it makes it easier for us. And then from there, the capacity that within within having those those projects and giving the local opportunity to build their own experience has definitely been improved so. I definitely saw the comments in terms of the climate rationale and I agree. It is a bit more difficult go with these projects and send submitting our concept concept so we hope that as as the GCF and adaptation fund listening to the smaller islands on the smaller developing states that were able to to change what those climate rational requirements are. It's over to you man hello and ask you the same set of questions what what is resonating with you from from this and if you if I wave my magic one to you as well which I have here in my hand and that you what would change some of the rules what would that be the and be talking here now we have still there from the age but we also have the GCF what would that be what would it be that you would want to change. Yes, that is a great question. I would say that really check on the mechanisms that are set for for EDA in terms of the rules and format and criteria that are being used to promote EDA because somehow when you when you look at the, the, the, you know, the documentation needs to be filled out and the criteria you know, it still seems that it's like you want a round thing, but you're trying to stick kind of square on it. So, you still need to see what this square looks like so let's make it round and then. So we have a good mechanism or rules and criteria and format and everything. So you're really promoting EDA that that is my wish. Well, in a square peg we know that will not work so a lot of work still needs to be done Monday. If I ask you the same set of question and I wave my one that's up to you what would that be. I'll answer this question maybe slightly differently and say that I think what is needed is for the direct access entities to have core support, because I think that if the direct access entities are properly capacitated they can problem solve. Whereas at the moment direct access entities get their resourcing mostly from from fees earned on projects that are approved. In developing countries, there's not a lot of spare money to keep creating extra posts for these sorts of things and I think that's a huge hindrance to building the institutional capacity at national and sub national level to sustain this work and to create the systems that are needed to make it happen. For support and we have this. I am the chair of the board of governance of the five C's with a direct access and yesterday, we were talking about core support, but I am going to come back to you and ask you same questions up in you with my magic one what would that be. As one of the strong voice in the in the climate and I think I think one key thing is allowing the direct access entities who are given devolved authority to actually execute their devolved responsibility. There's a lot of basically, you know babysitting and and and and over over over regulating direct access entities and you would never see that happen with the international access entity. So I think I think on comparison the board, the the secretary of its application sometimes of the board approved policies have become so draconian in the case of direct access entities, and it's simply because to be frank, they, they, they, they don't trust. And it's, and it's a perception thing right, and a lot of it has to do with because we're based in developing countries, and this is just being frank here, you know, and this it's obviously speculation, but it's, it's, it's, it's too much of a correlation. And maybe it's because a lot of the sector at staff and, you know, a lot of the bigger funds, they really and truly it's a revolving door between them and the MDB is a lot of the time. So, so, so the understanding of the context, it really is tough a lot and I think it's our job as direct access accredited entities, as much as power that we do have to make them and educate them on the local context and this is why it's so important to be at the level, and at the cop level to be there and be a part of adopting those policies, because then you can tell them no no no, that's not the case, because I was there when the policy was adopted, and it's just a misinterpretation and misapplication. And I think one last thing, Una, is that the GCF in the GCF case, international accredited entities and I think it speaks to the point of what that Mandy was saying, they have an obligation to support building capacity with indirect access accredited entities. I'm currently supporting a lot of the GCF board members the SIDS board member, and every time I look at the re accreditation application on that part of their accreditation. It is so wishy washy and generalized and doesn't say exactly how they are building the capacity for direct access accredited entities, and they should be ashamed of that. So we need to put them to task and I know at the next board meeting at the GCF, there are quite a few big international accredited acts in international accredited entities that the SIDS board member and a lot of developing country board members are going to ask, what exactly are those next steps that you're doing to increase the capacity as Mandy is saying because we don't get that core support, and they have an obligation on the duty of international accredited entities to do that. So I'll stop there Una. We could have this conversation like a strong language draconian there it is a trust issue and we fight for continued trust in the system and transparency in the system. But as you said there is this strong correlation and the revolving door. And I think as we continue this discussion. The going going forward. The design. We heard Sylvia a few questions are in the chat and I will encourage in my mind of you is to enter the chat and answer some of them, because the participants here I think, unless we continue to have this honest conversation, real honest conversation about what is going wrong and what is going right. Sylvia you, you said that the adaptation fund is a family. It is a family phone and you said one of the beauty of the adaptation fund. Some of us in developing countries use that language to and you want to, I'll give you one minute to elaborate a little bit about the beauty of the family. We cannot understand a little bit more and from what you hear from my kind of the rest. What else. Thank you. I really cherish this one minute. So let me just tell you. I really learned from the actions that national implementing entity are taking on the ground. Let's not forget what Monday said this came from a proposal to the adaptation fund. So from that, there was a learning there was a maturity. And you know the word that you use flexibility I am in charge of the accreditation re accreditation process so for the, for the adaptation fund. Let me tell you the endless discussions that we have had also when we started the streamline accreditation process which was the core of the country driven. The word approach about the country driven request for for listening what Mika is mentioning, you know, for for really building up together or something that is what we mean by by by family by really understanding the needs and trying together to to do to have adaptation actions that makes sense at the country level. So definitely the locally led adaptation actions, they do make sense and that's why the adaptation funded so engaged with with this mechanism. So this is what you know if there is a word that I have learned in the fun is really listening more than more than anything else. And we try to really, we try to really do that. I hope, even in the in the Costa Rican workshop, when I said we organize this in cooperation with from the corporation sometimes has been all the way around the Cooper has organized this in cooperation with us. So this has been, there isn't been a lot of a lot of exchange and from that exchange we learn also as a fund, and the board is extremely responsive through. We're running out of time here so I'm going to just so that we, we are respectful of our land and we continue to build the trust across the platform. We're going to end soon but I just wanted to to shout out about some of the things I'm hearing here this morning flexibility scaling trust accountability partnership, quite a bit of and a big one that came out is if we knew at the beginning in some of the things we know now I think we continue to share across region. If these lessons learned, I think I think Monday you have said that you'll be and Marinella, you were looking at the South Africa model such just sharing across as we continue in this space. The strong language you use by Mackay about the over regulating and this revolving door that the fund is set up to serve, but it is still a bank and therefore you have to prove yourself. I'm going to stop there but I think as we go forward I think we will continue this conversation we will continue to fight as developing countries as you know. And in the final analysis, we believe that the enhanced direct access modality is a mechanism that can work should work and must benefit the countries, but most importantly, must benefit the local communities so that we leave no one behind. Thank you for being in this space with me and Clara and back over to you so you can you can tell our audience how they can get the results of this this this program and oh what else as we move along thank you all. I'm out. Thanks for the million what a great session it was so good to have this frank discussion and to have some. Yeah, real good honest chat about some of the difficulties as well as the many strengths that we can see coming through and the dedication and kind of political interest as well behind making this work, because we see the benefits that can have for likely I've put some links in the chat there and I've been putting links to everybody's work as we've been going through so I hope you can continue to draw on those resources. And we'll follow up with a recording of this video for everybody that the registered so you can forward that onto your colleagues and networks. So please stay in touch for the links and you're welcome to get in touch with us anytime. All right, thank you so much have a lovely rest of your day and a huge thanks to our panelists for this discussion today, and for Matt who's keeping everything running smooth on the tech front. Have a great rest of your day. Bye everybody. Thank you all.