 That's done with heroin and not eating it. I don't care. Were things that were wrong with him? Not sensitive. No, I would like that. Except for Kyle. Kyle's perfect. I work with a crown over his head. What's what's what's what? Ladies and gentlemen, the Gossip Boys back with Topic Thunder, Dean Sedoris, Kevin Aquilos, the one and only. Jim McDee, 3SB.co, and Kyee. Kevlar, Kyee. The best Kevlar, Kyee. Someone else calls you Kyee though. Yeah, like in our crew. Yeah, no, like in our crew, someone's saying on the mic. Gaming crew, you know. Can't stand it. Invite only. Invite only. Nastiest fingers, not for ladies, but for FPS. Yeah, Kyee fingies. It doesn't carry over. Yeah, I'm sorry, ladies. No, no, no, non-transferable. Yeah, non-transferable skills. We're loaded with those. Highly broad topic that we're going to narrow down. OK. Talking COVID, you can talk politics. You can talk favorite sports team or best player of all time. Wow, this is really broad. If you're talking Michael Jordan versus LeBron James. All these arguments of debate, I think in my personal opinion, debate has turned into something for pure entertainment. We never get to a point. We never get to agreements. I watch a lot of debates and a lot of different things, even in the fitness space. We're talking nutrition debates, et cetera, et cetera. Can you shame someone into getting healthier jacked? Fat shaming is a large topic, but we can dial it down. My personal opinion is I've never, even I have so much inside shame, and I still can't stick to my diet. So why would someone external shame into me change how I eat? Not because I think, oh, it's so mean, boo-hoo. You called a famous celebrity that's worth $100 million fat. I don't care. But I just don't think it's a means to an end. You're not going to help them, and you're not going to help someone else watching. If I fat shame, we would just make a fun of DiCaprio's dadbot or something. If you make fun of DiCaprio's dadbot, I'm not going to shame. That's not going to help some other dude's dadbot get fit. No. So are you asking us directly? Yeah. Yeah, what do you think about fat shame? Has it gone too far? It doesn't work. It doesn't work. What's going on with it? What is the point? Why do people think they're helping with it? And then why does the other side think that, no, you're just being a bully. It's not going to work. I think 90% of those people that are out there fat shaming or body shaming people have some big issues with themselves, and they're just lashing out. They don't like what they see in the mirror, or they're just having a bad day, or they're just an asshole. I went on a huge rant about a discipline rant, because that's the same thing, too. People would shame, like, why are they fat? Well, fat people just don't have discipline. Like, oh, is that easy? And you're so fucking disciplined? Just because you have a six-pack, and you love the gym means you're disciplined now. Like, dude, you could be the biggest asshole. You could be addicted to drugs. You could be addicted to steroids. You could beat your kids for all we know, but you're disciplined because you have six-pack. But you can curl. You can do some curl in the gym. You're killing it. Discipline has nothing to do with what you love to do. I'm disciplined to play video games? Fuck you. Without being incredibly, like, not sensitive. No, I would like that. Ah, yeah. No, be insensitive. Let it rip. Oh, I'm just like, dude, look at some fucking homeless people. I've literally seen some homeless, like, in SAC. I see some homeless guys. Damn, Dean, that's too far. And I'm like, well, I mean, just like. No jacks. And they're jacks. Yeah, we're not talking skinny. And they look sick. And I'm like, oh, that's an ideal body type for a lot of men. There's genetics. And that's done with heroin and not eating. Drugs or maybe discipline. But again, is discipline something that you love? Can you be, I'm disciplined in eating ice cream because I eat ice cream every day? That doesn't line up. But by the definition, discipline it is. So all these people, discipline, shame, fat, shame? Like, what is your goal? I think you're right. I think it's an ego thing inside your fighting. I think it's purely a projection. At this point, it's a fucking clout thing. That too, but I think a lot of it is projection. Like, I can just tell you that back in the day, we had a member of that old gym that we belong to who, all of his gripes about other people were things that were wrong with him. Yeah, sure. And he was like adamant and screaming about it. And it's like, dude, that's you. Because he's one step away from self-awareness. Yeah. Like a subconscious knows what's fucked up in him. And so he would lash. And I feel like that's driven out of shame anyway. And you're trying to deflect that off to somebody else. It's like, well, somebody else is worse than I am about this. And so whatever. And the thing about shame. And we all do that in our own culture. No, I'm a fucking hater, yeah. I'm not. But I'm self-aware. But I'm self-aware. I'm perfect. Except for Kyle. Kyle's perfect. Kyle's perfect. Yeah, a little crown over his head. It's going to float and glow and shake. Fold and stark, I. Yeah. But I think there's a spectrum, though, to it all. Just like how you started with politics or whatever. Kids these days in their spectrums, dude. Can't ever be black and white with these kids. Because like you can have all your bases. You just want to make enemies on this show. You can have like the super douchebag talking shit like, oh my god, why are you doing this? You're overweight, blah, blah, blah. But then you can have the complete other way where they throw these chicks that are literally like 400 or the guys that are 400, 500 pounds on vogue saying, no, you are beautiful. Then there's like people like, no, this person's very unhealthy. And then it's like, no, why are you saying that? Why are you saying she's unhealthy, but it's like, they're trying to look out for them at the same time, but they also don't want to get the lash back. 100%. You can't judge in 10 of those people, and that's what I come down to is like, what is your intent of making that video or sending that tweet? Because some of that does come down to straight individual. Because you can be 300 pounds, especially ladies. You can be 300 pounds and be healthy. If you go to your doctor. I don't think so. No, you can. You can for sure. Ladies are way like a big thing with weight is obviously diabetes and heart. And you can have a healthy-ish lifestyle. Be there and live forever. We know that. Like, you know fat people have lived forever. Right? I think if they really play the percentage game, though. Right, so that's what I'm talking about intent. You can have an individual, I said, that goes to the doctor and works out and needs healthy and be 300 pounds. But who's making the broad video saying, yeah, the Vogue thing, saying 300 pounds is healthy. I'm not saying 300 pounds is healthy, but you can be healthy at 300 pounds. Yes. You with me? Yeah, I get you. I think there's a big problem with messaging with these PC type of posts of body happiness or whatever. What's it called? Yeah, body positivity. Yeah, or acceptance. But it's like, OK, there's nothing wrong. And it should be celebrated to be happy with being comfortable in your own skin. But let's not confuse that with promoting this as a how you should just strive to be this way. Or not even strive to be this way, but accepting that this should be a norm for people. Because most people should not be that way. Most people should be getting healthier and making the steps to lose weight, eat better, for longevity. And it just gets messy when these big corporations, these big companies are using it A for clicks and media. Because of more than half of America's fat. And so if they want to get the dollars of the fat folks, they're going to show people that are fat folks. It makes 100% sense. Virtue signaling and all that stuff. But devil's advocate to that or the spectrum is that then they take Beyonce, who I'm making this up. I'll say she's $5.08 a buck, $50. And then they show her on the beach with an ounce of cellulite, or her hamstring isn't popping. And they're like, Beyonce's fat. It's so messed up. And you're like, OK, well, that's not helping either. That's a normal woman. Very attractive, very successful. The same rider for that panel puts the 400 pound person says, this person's beautiful. They're both people magazine. Just as beautiful as Beyonce. It's like, let's get real. She's not. I'm sorry. Right, or she's not. Or she's on vacation, and she's not shooting a record or a movie. And so she gained 10 pounds. Well, that's much different than the 400 pound example we're talking about here. For one celebrity not to look perfect. Because people love to tear people down, that's a thing. That's a thing. And like in Australia, they call it, oh my god, they call it poppy something. I love Australian slang, by the way. Yeah, I can't remember. But basically, it's like a tall poppy. That's what it's called. So somebody has reached some kind of higher level than everybody else, then it's a sport to tear them down. And I think that's roughly the same part of idea. That's a cancel culture, pretty much. Yeah, or jealousy tied up, because Beyonce's got more money than me. But I just don't get any of that. I get it within the clout game, because everyone's like a nobody. Everyone thinks they're somebody, and so they're hating on everyone. But like a real celebrity, like Beyonce's got real talent. Like, why am I going to hate her? Like, she can actually sing her tits off. Like, why am I? She's not Millie Vanilli. Yeah, she's not Silent Mike. Like, she's got some real fucking shit going on. Like, why am I going to rip her ass down? And to quote someone, I won't mention their name, because they're kind of controversial. But I watched a video from them. They're hilarious. But they're rude. Everyone hates them. But I love them. Kind of, exactly. Yeah, he would say like, don't ask society if you're healthy. He's like, go to your doctor. Ask him. He will be, they're robots. A doctor will be like, uh, pairing to this shard of your panels, hell no. Like, no, you're not healthy. He's not going to lie to you. It's pseudo, at least, based on science. Yeah, yeah. I like that. I like that. That's, I agree. I like that. Yeah, he's like, don't ask me. I don't know shit. Ask your doctor. Go to him. Because they're going to get their own opinion. And he goes, ask him. He goes, well, I think you're a lovely lady, but no, you're not healthy. Yeah, that's what I was saying. But Michael was like, it's all about the percentages, the numbers. It's always about the numbers. OK, Luke, your blood glucose, you're, you know. But a doctor will do that, right? Your BMI. Yeah, you don't know that until you're with the doctor. Because BMI, I'm fucking going to have a heart attack tomorrow. But they check my blood, they check my heart, they check my pulse, they check all these things. They're like, yeah, you're a little heavy, but probably because you work out, you'll probably be OK. OK, thanks, Doc. Right? Yeah. If they take someone else and your blood pushes through the roof and your fatty acids are all fucked, then they're like, all right, you should probably do something. Yeah, and isn't BMI our measurement of obesity? Yeah, it's still what we have. Yeah, it's still what we have. It's an archaic, it's ridiculous. But if you don't work out, general broadswipe, it is pretty good. No, that's right. And that's why we kept it. And that's what it's for you, right? Yeah, that's what we kept it, right? I was thinking with an arc. Meatheads were all fat. My mind always goes into the niche world that we live in where it's like, yeah. I mean, we'd have to see how often is it wrong versus right kind of thing. Right, again, by numbers, it's probably pretty good. Well, actually, I just listened to a whole podcast. I love to say well, actually. Well, actually, I just listened to a whole podcast about BMI. And BMI is largely bullshit. But actually. According to the person you listen to. No, no, no, no. Studies have been done because of the way it was constructed, it was bullshit. And they sort of knew, they're like, OK, this isn't very good, but we don't have anything else. Because I've heard very counter to that from people we know. Kellogg's Food Pyramid. Yeah, I don't listen to any of those people. Anyway, the issue is that it was the best thing that we had at the time. Yeah, what it probably still is, I think, because how many people are going to be able to get a DEXA scan? Well, that's the thing. Not that many. Yeah. So it can overestimate how heavy people are. And it can draw a lot of conclusions about it. Right, I don't think anyone's saying it's perfect. Whereas studies say somebody's 10%, 15%, 20% over their ideal weight, it's not that big a deal. They might actually be healthier. Yeah, 10%, yeah. But somebody who's super heavy and the thought that they're going to be healthy and stay healthy for a long period of time, that's probably still in question. Yeah, genetics. There's a lot of genetics associated with that. Yeah, for sure.