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Officials, you know what I mean? Man, listen man. Hey, man, I ain't gon' lie to you, man. I was excited when I shot out the black man. Fight man, man, I did it on another level, man. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely, absolutely. And Cece, man, you know. Absolutely, shout out to the king and the queen, black and Cece, both doing their thing. Cece is doing amazing. She's hit the space, and she's running. You know what I mean? So I'm a big fan of what she's doing. I'm a big fan of what they're doing, and I'm thankful to them for the introduction. So thank you, man. Man, I'm gon' pass it off to the queen, man. She always start me off. That's how we get them every time. You know what I'm saying? Yes, but before we get them, y'all don't forget to like and subscribe, share our content on all social media platform, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube. I mean, everywhere, Snapchat too, if you need it. But guess what? The most important part you need to do is Patreon. That's where you're gonna find our full length interviews after a while. It won't be on YouTube anymore. It'll be only on Patreon for a small membership fee. Okay? Thank you in advance. Man. Well, you know, everything that you said, just go, everybody go on TikTok. I'm gon' TikTok right now. Hey! Yeah, they gon' hand you, no. And that's something that my daughter, shout out to my beautiful young queen, Arabella. She's eight years old and she's introduced, yeah, she's introduced the TikTok and the whole YouTube and Streamy. Eight years old and she's doing all that. Yeah, she's doing all that. Wow. And I'm totally behind her and supportive of her like I am with all my kids. I'm happy to say that I represent an organization called Parent to Partner. Oh. And we help the parents find the tools needed to transition to a partnership with the children. With the children? Because there's always that gap where the time is not being spent because they don't understand what their kids are doing or they're doing, you know, cause kids are always on their phones. And then most of the time they don't wanna show us what they're doing anyway. We just have to be nosy to see what it is and ask the right questions. That's one thing I learned about being a parent is you can ask questions, but are you asking the right question to get the answer you really need? Absolutely, absolutely. And are you prepared for the answer? Exactly. And you know, so many times that we're captivated by whether it be the stars in the sky or whether it be the stars on television, YouTube, et cetera, I've found a way to look for the stars in my children. And, you know, I believe that God has given everyone something and it's just about supporting what they're passionate about. That's true. My son, that everyone is more familiar about, I'm familiar with. I'm the disputed champion of the world. We started out with the negative. He was in the principal's office. He was being suspended. He was being described as everything. The troubled kids. Yeah, yeah, he had all those things that I didn't want to accept. I didn't want to accept that my kid was those things that he was being described. And after the last time of being in the principal's office, I decided to take him to the boxing gym. I said, you know, if you know how to fight and you're not scared to fight, let's go to the gym. How long did it take you to get to that point? Because how long, you know, was he given trouble and trouble and trouble before you decided to do that? Take that step. Oh yeah, you know, it was a... Was it years? Yeah, it was, he was about eight, eight years old, eight. Yeah, when I took him to the gym. When you took him? You know, and people always like ask when you say fighting a kid. Well, if they're in the back room, you know, you don't want your kid to be the one in there that's doing the crying when we go in there as parents, you know, but also we don't want them to be a troublemaker. The bully at the same time. The bully, so it's a fine line. And growing up in East Oakland, you want to teach your kid, boy, I don't want you to be in there crying and don't be coming and telling me you better hit the boy back or something like that. So when we moved to Las Vegas, we weren't in an environment that he should have been so conscientious of being hit. And when the kids would talk, what we call talking crazy. And he said to me in front of the principals, I said, what's up, what's going on? He said, he was about to hit me. I said, no, you know, you weren't supposed to say that, wrong with you. We were told you that at the house that somebody about to hit you. I'm saying in front of principal, it's all right. You know what? I said, as soon as we got in the car and he was just looking out the window, I said, you think you tough. So I'm going to take you to a gym and see can you fight. He looked back and he said, okay. He ready. He looked back out the window. I said, I can't wait to find somebody to tear his tail up. But then I go to the boxing gym and ironically we put him in there and you know to teach him a lesson. And you know. And he loved it. Well, not that he just loved it. He was talented in it. You know what I mean? He sparred a kid on the first day. And you know, he, he, he was impressed. You were shocked. I was shocked. I was shocked. The trainer that was there, he said, your kid is a natural. And remember, I've been, I'm hearing all these other descriptions of him but never that he's a natural. He's talented in anything. But when we went to the boxing gym, he was like, man, your kids are natural. All the other people, kids. And that was a blessing. Right. And so our, our whole testimony and our, our story is like, so we kept going and going and going. When I found out, I said, how many other parents have kids that have these descriptions in there? You know, that they end up in juvenile hall or they end up in the streets or whatever, right? So we never would do a deal with anyone because I think it would misrepresent what a father and a son could actually do together. You know what I mean? So we just kept using the momentum and using the energy that we're doing it for the people. And one day it's going to be a father and son come right behind us and they're not going to have to work as hard, you know? Cause it's not, it's not easy. You know what I'm saying? It's not easy to get out and trailblaze and pioneer something that's not there. So for us, Devin, at 23 years old, he's the undisputed champion of the world. And we're doing some things that another big guy in this town hasn't did yet. You know what I mean? So we're happy, we're in a good place. But I'm very supportive of trying to find a passion and my kids, whether they're being a comedian, right? Because you know what the YouTube thing and whether they're in the fashion, blogging, right? I'm just, I feel like that I'm a parent that's a little bit more open to a non-traditional income or a non-traditional career than what my parents, my parents, you know what I'm saying? Exactly, parents back in day was like, what you doing? Go get a real job. Go get a real job. Yeah, and I don't wanna lose the relationship or lose the ability to help support my kids and they have something passionate that they're telling me. Exactly, but before, sorry babe, but I wanna go into, because we usually start like back in the history first before we jump all into that, but because when you say that he was given trouble, what was the cause of giving trouble? Because you know, were you and your, his mom together growing up? No, no, we had separated. I'm from Oakland, she's from San Francisco. I always wanted- How old was he when you separated? Probably like around maybe one week or two weeks old. Okay. Okay. You said it was gonna be false talk. I gotta get it, and there's a real life. Yeah, we, no, yeah, so and that's what it was, but I had probably, previous to that, with my older son, I went to the penitentiary, I went to the federal penitentiary, like I went there for 60 months. For 60 months? Yeah, I went for 60 months, and when I got out of just having my son have to see me in the penitentiary with my father, and it was just, it was just gut wrenching. So to get out and then to meet his mom and then to find out that she was pregnant and stuff like that, I knew that I had to get on my grind and get out of the streets, you know what I mean? So we weren't, I'll care about her and everything to this day, for giving me my son, but we just were at different points at each other's lives, you know what I mean? I just came home from prison, you know what I mean? So I'm still a little wild, you know what I mean? And she's a little bit a lot more conservative, so it didn't last, but we made it. But how was you when you went to? When I went, so I went when I was 20, 22 years old, 21, 22. Yeah. Right, and it was funny because, you know, when everybody is saying that, oh, you know, I got all these fall saves, like I'm not gonna go to jail because I got somebody that's gonna go for me, I had a homeboy, you know, he's still my friend to this day, right? And I told him, I said, I said, you know what? I thought I missed the plane and my flight because I was messing with this girl or whatever, just, you know, being young. And I said, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and get on the flight with you. But maybe if something happened, maybe you know what you gotta do, you know, that's your job, you know what I'm saying? Right, and lo and behold, we're young, stupid, thinking that they, you know, don't know about conspiracy and all that stuff, you know what I'm saying? So they linked us both together, right? And when they charged us and all the shit, right? We're in the back and go to court, and we've been talking and I said, well, man, when are you gonna tell the people so they can cut me loose and I can go home? You know what I'm saying? Because why don't two people need to go for the shit? That's right. So he said, man, all right, man, you know what I'm saying? So I said, all right, cool. I said, he is going to go and go let the people know I'm gonna get out and I'm gonna take care of him and we're gonna life gonna be prepared for after, right? That's how it goes. That's how it goes. That's how I'm gonna let all these young people know it's not gonna go like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm telling you. You dinked him about you. He's saying he gonna take it, but he's not gonna take it. No, no, no, no, no, no. So the homie, he get up in court, and he sit there and he looking, judge talking, I'm looking over here, muscle. Yeah. When you gonna do it? He just stood up right in the middle of the shit. And he said, let this nigga go. I didn't did it. The judge said, one more, I'll burst out of you. And he gonna be held in contempt. I didn't know. You know, he might've knew, but he didn't know we around the same age. And that's what I'm telling people. Listen, listen, I'm gonna tell you. Cause we was out of town. I ended up going to trial still, but what I know now is, the homie didn't wanna be there by itself. Yeah, yeah. You wanna, you know what I mean? It's hard to get in trouble and then say, okay, I'm a man up, I'm about to go do this. You go on home. You know what I'm saying? It's easy to say, and that's why I let all the people know. That's why I don't do nothing now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I knew once I called my break, and I'm not saying it to everybody. You know what I mean? Stop doing what you're doing. But if you didn't call to break, man, you better get out of there, man. Yeah, yeah. You better leave that thing alone. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So I ended up, so people know what happened with the story. I ended up going to trial because I didn't really believe I did shit. My man ended up pleading guilty, you know what I'm saying? We ended up going back in the bullpen and stayed together until they separated. We fought side by side, but I knew then that, you know what I mean? He wanted me to do that bit with him. You know what I'm saying? He wanted me to stay there with him and be side by side friends, cook soups together and do all the shit. How long did you stay in there? 60 months. 60 months. Yeah, 60 months, man. So what was the, give me, I always ask this because I have a lot of people that come on and been locked up, like what was the defining moment for you when you incarcerated? My son coming up there. You know, my son and my dad coming up there. That was just, you know, to have a responsibility because all of the cars, all of the jury, everything that I hustled for, I made, it was a made up responsibility. The only one responsibility that God gave me was the one that he gave me that was my kids. That's real. That's just the one responsibility that I got. You know what I mean? And I chose when, when, with his mama for us to lay down, there was a chance that we would make this happen. For sure, I mean. Yes, sir. And I did it, and I felt like I let him down. You know what I'm saying? I felt like I misprioritized what it was because at that age, like with my daughter and I tell people, I'm like, at eight years old, she don't need no more money. She need her dad. That's real. But at that age, did you know God? Man, not, no, no. Not like, like I do now. You know what I mean? Difference. I wasn't, yeah. I wasn't, no, no, not at all. Because when you have somebody to answer to like that, you have another way of thinking compared to when you're young. You just thinking about just moving, doing at that moment in time, you're not thinking about anybody else or anything else. Yeah, no, I didn't, thinking back on it, I think that that might have been what was necessarily missing in my life at that point in time. Thinking back, as you say it, it's one thing that I didn't have. I had everything else, but I didn't have, I didn't have a strong faith or belief in God at all. You know, I'm gonna go back a little farther, you from East Oakland and you one of them guys that you was dealing with music and all kind of stuff from what I'm hearing. So you wasn't just no regular, you know. The people, I talked to be legit about a few days back. You know, when I was coming, I was saying, man, I'm gonna be in Cali. I was just trying to figure out who gonna be where, you know. He said, man, I'm in Oakland, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm like, I need it, I need it, man. I need to go up there. I really, really wanna go up there and do some interviews, right? Right. But I just gotta figure out when we gonna do it. We got so many people that's telling me, we won't come here, Miami or whatever. But anyway, Oakland is something different because it wasn't about gangs and stuff up there. It's more about pimping and play-os and I don't, we had, what, a couple of them from up there that was real life pimps. What you mean, but see what happens in Oakland is the independence, an independent man of thinker, right? You don't, it's just no gang banging because we're so of the mindset that whatever street you from, that's the street you from. Ain't no help. You gotta ride for the street. You gotta ride for your neighborhood. You gotta ride for that street. Ain't no, what we call turf hopping. That you hopping around from set to set, you know what I'm saying? Particular neighborhood and up and down like a roller coaster until I got on. Okay, okay. Now we up, up, up. Hey! That's all. You know what I'm saying? But we're up to the point that I'm the first guy that where I could be strong and I could, I could press my neighborhood, I could press my city, I wanted to be the first nigga to walk away on top. I drove up out of there and the brand new Bentley GT, you know, the Rolls, all the shit. You know what I'm saying? It goes along with in the game. But for me, it meant being an example of walking away on top. There's hope. Not coming out of jail, not having a problem with somebody. There's no nigga that goes on the internet and say you got a problem with me about nothing. So before I ever came on the camera to talk to anyone about anything, I had to straighten out my business and make sure that, you know what I mean? I'm really coming correct. And, you know, I don't know a bunch of guys that say that they started from a $20 rock. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So it was important. I don't know too many guys that said respectfully, no thank you, you know, Mr. Carter, Jay-Z. Respectfully, but no thank you, Mr. Mayweather. Respectfully, but no thank you to, you know, 50. That's all right. Or you know what I mean? With my son, but what I'm saying is that I said out of respect that even with Jay is that you've paved the way for Devon and me to do what we do. Too short, out the trunk. You've paved the way for us to have, you know, to understand what sweat equity meant, right? So we was putting money in the bank when we just put in sweat. You know what I mean? We didn't have the investment capital but we was constantly in the gym. We was constantly working on our brand on a digital perspective. When YouTube was just kind of starting, right? And you know what I mean? We would go down to Mexico, film it, then upload it to YouTube. Well, when I went back to talk to the executives in television, they're saying that a YouTube presence doesn't mean anything. A digital presence doesn't mean that it's all about getting on television, on linear television, you know what I mean? Well now, everybody got a phone in their hand it's in flip. So I don't know what the new analytics on it is. Is it more houses or digital or more houses or linear? But I know that, you know, we're doing great. And this makes, you know what I mean? Yes sir. When I think about, like I said, you guys definitely, to me, the father and son, that's always a great dynamic for me. No matter how you look at it, because it's just, it's hard to, man I just always feel like it's hard to mess with a guy when he got his dad in this corner. You know what I mean? Like this is real solid, man. Spill up a brother that been through what you done been through. I don't play with that. I know already, I know where you been, you had time to think. Well a lot of people don't have time to think, Bill. You know what I'm saying? And that time to think, it gives you a little leeway because it puts your father here for me. I mean, I think you can see things coming from, you know, it's slow motion a lot of time because you're gonna have time to think by all the different situations that come your way when you've been through situations, right? Right, absolutely. And so I keep wanting to go back over here. I hear your music, bright background is heavy. You know what I'm saying? People tell me that you, wait a minute from Ice Cube and was it Yo-Yo? I heard all kinds of stuff about you, Bill. Yo-Yo. Yo-Yo. So you're gonna have to give me these stories, man. Well, it's, it wasn't the King Cube. It was the Queen Yo-Yo that you know I had a long relationship with. Correct. And you know, but that was, that was a relationship and it wasn't business. And it was one of the best things that happened to me at that particular time in my life, you know, coming from Oakland and knowing Short and- Correct. And knowing Forty and knowing all of them- MC Hammer, yo, yo, yo. All of them. You know everybody. All of them, all of them. And the thing that I always say is it was good that my son believed in me the way that he did. Okay. You know blindly, you know what I mean? Correct. For us to, you know, and I couldn't be having a better time in my life. You know what I mean? I get it. I wouldn't have wanted it to happen in my 20s. I like to do whatever I want to do right now. Yeah, yeah. I agree a hundred percent, man. I like to say, I definitely, I'm just proud to be sitting here with you. I just, somebody sent me something, Black sent me something about Bernard Hopkins the other day. It was something he said, man, I guess you just had something to wear, something you spoke on with Bernard Hopkins. What was that about? Well, I was just speaking on Bernard, speaking on the young guys of today. And it's easy to say what the young guys aren't doing in comparison to the OGs. But, you know, I remember, right? We didn't have, I remember not having the cell phones. Yeah. Right? I remember not having all those things, right? I remember going out the house and you had to go straight. You had maybe 10 cent for the use of the telephone, 10, 50 cent or whatever to make a call, but you were to go straight there and you were to come straight back. They weren't all the distractions now. You know what I mean? So with the kids now, like you don't know if they're gonna make it over there, did they post something, did somebody had them off? You know what I mean? So at the same time, like with the distractions that they have now and those that are still focused, let's give them their props. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And especially the ones that with Bernard Hopkins saying that, listen, any of those guys, any of you guys just not in jail, not selling dough, not robbing, bipping, you know what I'm saying? Doing all the stuff, credit card scamming. Yeah. I kind of hold them in a different light because I come from that. Correct. So I know we really got respect for the real ones that stay on course. You know what I mean? If you don't have no respect then you ain't been in the streets. Yeah. If you think that this shit is fly and this shit is a place to be, then I don't know. Yeah, I don't agree. I don't know. I might need to talk to you because all the guys that I hang out with and the nights that we spent, we always say, when we was in jail, we said, man, we can't wait to get out of this shit. That's what I keep hearing. I keep hearing that a lot of street cats can't wait to get out when all these rappers rapping like they're in the streets or want to be in the streets. They don't make no sense. And they have every opportunity to be out of the street and stay out of the street. No, absolutely. I don't fall the rappers, right? That's rapping about being in the streets or you know what I mean? Grabbing all these people and all this shit. You're going backwards. Going backwards. You're going backwards. Yes, sir. And taking some of these youths with them because the youths are hearing what they're saying and want to do what they're talking about doing. Yeah, like I said, I don't want to seem like I've never been that guy. Been that guy. You know what I'm saying? I'm just telling them like, be careful. I done been shot five times. You know what I'm saying? I done been to prison. I done been broke. I done been had money. I done been heartbroken. I done been every kind of, you know what I'm saying? I might not look like it. You know what I mean? Because I know it's part of it. And I got everything coming that I had coming. I deserved all that. That's why I don't worry about it. I deserved to be shot. I deserved to go to jail. I deserved all that. But it made me the person I am now. And I'm saying, man, I ain't doing shit. And when you got shot, I'm gonna end you so much. I could go there with you because this is real, man. And I'll let you ask your question because you say when you got shot, so I'm not gonna get up. When you got shot, you got shot before you went to prison? I got shot after I got out of prison. After you got out of prison. And at that time, you were trying to change your life. Yes. Yes. And got shot. And I got shot absolutely. What happened? I came out of the barbershop and I saw a guy that went like that. And I went to watch him walk going that way. I watched it. Oh, shit. Hey, he's looking. I said, he looks suspicious. For no, I said he looks suspicious. And that feeling. I had that feeling. So I watched him walk that way. So I went to go get in my car. And then the guy that was a shooter was coming from this way. And I shot my arm and then I balled up and got shot in the back and broke my femur and stuff like that. You know what I mean? And the guy that was walking, he hopped over me. He was a distraction. Yeah. And then so he hopped over me. I was like, oh, shit. I was looking up at him. I thought he was gonna hit me in the head. Right. But then he just jumped over him and he kept going. So I seen him. Did they try to rob you or anything like that? No, it wasn't. It wasn't a robbery. It wasn't that type of thing. Intended target, you know. I had it coming. But because I don't owe on people to know like you don't have to owe somebody no money. You don't have to be no snitch. You don't have to instill it to go down. You know what I'm saying? They can still go down. They can really go down. They can really go down over nothing. And a lot of these guys, a lot of my young guys, they think, you know what, if I don't owe no money or if I don't, you know what I'm saying? Or if you don't, yeah, I'm good. Or if I don't have my jury on or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So that's it. My God had something else planned for you. Yes. That's why you're still here. I just, I love the fact, man. Like I said, I keep going back to the fact of how, man, you already won. You still here. A lot of brothers ain't here no more, bro. I've been saying this lately to all my brothers. You know, we here, you know, one of my, he didn't go now. One of my mentors after 35, you go to a lot of funerals. Yeah. I'm being real. You know what I'm saying? I think that's something to be here and still kicking it. You know what I'm saying? That's big, man, because you could have been gone. Yeah. And you're, a lot of your friends already gone. Absolutely. But that's where we need to start. And I said that I wanted to challenge more of my guys. That's whether they're listening or whatever, that you got enough. You know what I'm saying? It ain't gonna never be. It ain't, you know what I'm saying? Like you got enough shit to walk away right now. You know what I'm saying? So if it can be one, and like I said it, you guys interview a lot of niggas. Yeah, for sure. And none of the niggas really be, that I meet be bragging about not in the game no more. You know what I'm saying? Like Nick, come on here and you know what I'm saying? Tell the kids that you ain't in that shit no more. That's it, that's real. You know what I'm saying? That's real. And then stand on that. You know what I mean? And that takes a hard to walk because, because if once you say it out into the world and once you, once you start walking it, it's hard, it's hard. You know what I mean? It's easy to go get some things and get rolling. You know what I'm saying? For me it's easy. That's light work. That's light work. We're in Las Vegas. I can go get, I can go get to it. You know what I'm saying? But it's harder. And to be an example of my young kings and queens, you know what I'm saying? You got enough. You know what I'm saying? And guess what? Y'all probably got more than me. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking to you real. Listen. The one's just listen man. You know, Hamdulillah, you said. Hamdulillah. I want to, I want to just go in on that. Like, like when did you, when did you, you know, take on? Take my shot. Yeah, yeah. Take my shot. This will be my third Ramadan. This will be my third Ramadan. Hamdulillah, that I am a Muslim and I'm getting stronger and stronger in my faith. I'm getting stronger in my conviction. You know what I mean? But I've always been conscious of God and of Allah in particular. You know what I'm saying? Going to prison. But you, you constantly, you just don't, or at least for me, and I don't want it to be for anyone else. I'm sure in my story. Yourself. Is that I didn't, I didn't want it to be like, cause I'm in jail. You know what I'm saying? I didn't want to be like, cause, cause I, cause I hadn't been shot. Yeah. Or I want to be like, cause I don't have no money. Yeah, yeah. But guess what? When I got the money, I knew what it was cause. I knew it was a lot. I knew it couldn't be nothing but God. That's it. When it came in. Cause I knew it couldn't give credit to nobody else. That's why you, When I looked around and I said, how did it happen? And why me? Cause I'm knowing, I got some homies and Oakland, just as smart, just as sharp. You know what I'm saying? Niggas is good looking. You know what I'm saying? Niggas, you know what I mean? Why me? You know what I mean? It couldn't be nothing but God. Ain't nothing but God. You see what I'm saying? I know that. And I knew that when I, you know what I mean? I don't know if it was a tap on my shoulder if it was something that said, you know what? Said, man, you're gonna be in front of that camera, man. Man. Right? You're gonna be in front of that camera. And the only thing I need you to do is tell the truth. Have you got everything else? Don't even worry about nothing. Just tell the truth. How did it happen? Oh, it's God. Hallelujah. Hey, man, you know, like I said, man, you, what is, your son got a lot of people that's, you know, they say that of, you know, when you get to be the champion, everybody won't, they coming for you. You know what I'm saying? You, you got a lot of different challenges, man. Who, what, what's the, what's next for? My son, my son is disrespectful, man. He don't need to. I was like, look behind the head. That's what you really want to say. Man, your son, man, you trippin'. Yeah, he be trippin'. And I told him, I said, listen, he's the undisputed champion in the world. He has every belt. And that goes without saying. He is the lightweight division is online. And he has said that you must come through him. Yeah, yeah. In order to be a champion. That's right. So with that saying in a sport, that's the most disrespectful thing to say to the guys that are in your division. Yeah. You know what I mean? So we don't have to say that, that they're not good fighters. I think that all of them are incredible fighters. I think that they all have great stories, right? They stay down, they've showed resiliency even to be contenders, to be former world champions or future world champions. I don't have to say that. I just said that we got everything right now. That's real. That's real to me. That's real. Like I said, like I said, you guys, where did he grow up at? What did your son grow up at? At my house. In Vegas? No, listen, let me just tell everybody, because they doing it wrong. They keep saying, what street? I'm a real one. That's real. My son, I took my son everywhere, all around countries. I took him to states, cities. Listen, we knocked on the good fighters, there was a New York, I mean Newark, that super guy, town to guy, Shakur Stevenson. Yeah. What's his name? We knocked on his door up there. Baltimore, Javante Davis. Yeah. Now before the world, you guys didn't know who he was. I've already got in the car and sprinted with my son. To get him now. We're going to Baltimore. Don't worry about a son. You don't know who he is. I do. You see what I'm saying? Because And how did you choose, how did you choose all the different states that you're going to go to? What was the source question? You know all the cities, Detroit, where they got the bad news, New York, the Bronx, Brooklyn, you know what I mean? Listen, I didn't want him to hear no city and it feel like it was no nigga that was nowhere better than him because he was from this project, that street, whatever. You know what I'm saying? I had already been to the federal penitentiary. I know everybody put on their pants one leg at a time. I just needed him to know that. That's real. I need him to know that it don't make no niggas nowhere different. We all the same. You know what I mean? The skills you put in, the work you put in, not the street you from, not the rag you claim. That's some bullshit. I had to let him know that. But the only way we can do that is then now every the world say, do you know where he from? Do you know, my son don't give a fuck about nobody where they from? That's real. Guess what? And he got all A's. Because guess what? He was raised in my house. That's real. I'm the principal. My son, my 13 year old son, he get all A's. Who grade him? Me. You're not gonna tell me that my son cause he's not interested in your history, interested in your science. Man. I'm checking for his passion. Is it? You know what I'm saying? I'm checking for it. But I'm not gonna cut you off. My daughter, she's right now, she in traditional school. She's at Montessori school. My boys was different. Cause I know what the peer pressure goes into with being a boy, being a young African American. America, yeah. In America. So we had a different level of how we raised my boys. That's real, I'm saying? No, no, I get it. My 13 year old, no, you ain't, no, no, no, no. He got the curly hair, he light-skinned, y'all. You make us ain't getting to hold to him. With your gang banging and your shit. You won't see Sean Haney up there. Many years. Okay, but name of the time Okay, let's start with Devin first. Because I know being a parent, no matter how much we try sometimes, those kids, they're rebelled. They try to do what they wanna do. Has there ever been a time with Devin that it was hard for you to get through your point of view or to him? And the things that he did before you could get through to him? Give me an example. Well, it just depends when I separate the father from the partner. That's why I speak on parent to partner, right? If it's his career, and I'm in his business, and then I go to tell him, and I'm speaking to him as a dad or as a father, what does the dad, what does the dad shit come in at? You know what I'm saying? Am I researched? Am I versed? Am I his partner because I did my homework and now I'm introducing him to him to something? Well, if I've really did my homework on my partner, you understand that now ain't the day to be with the bullshit. I like that. Well, he don't wanna hear. But if you want him to be open every day cause you the daddy, then you got some other old shit going on. You know what I'm saying? But I got other kids. So when one kid is going through something, what shit? I'm busy as a one legged man in a butt kicking contest. I gotta go over here and deal with my dog. Then I got my older son who I got my grandbaby. You see what I'm saying? So the bank ain't always open for them deposits. You know what I mean? But we always got them gems and jewels. We trying to drop on it, right? That's real, that's real. But sometimes you go to the bank and it's closed. Uh-uh, I don't wanna talk right now, dad. I don't wanna talk right now. Well, you can only hope that you live another day to make that deposit. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly. Ain't no day promised. Ain't no day promised. You don't wanna get caught with it left in your purse or left in our pocket, right? We keep trying to drop everything on them. Drop everything on them. Before, you know, we kept, you know what I mean? So we understand what we're doing as parents, but at the same time, we gotta also understand we've been kids before and sometimes they just, they don't be ready for it. What's up with Lumen, is Lumen Chico the guy that? Yeah, we'll fight him too. We got Lumen Chico and Lumen Chico. Yeah. We'll fight both of them. Lumen Chico, yeah. Yeah, yeah, what's up with him? It's a lot of chatter around that. No, no. Mr. Lumen Chico and his team and Devin and our team, we've been going back and forth and doing our best to make the thing happen. I can't say what was that. I hope that it's going to happen, you know what I'm saying? So I'm being optimistic about it and positive. You know what I'm saying? I do too. I think that the Super Bowl of the Lightweight Division is the best fight in boxing. Lumen Chico was the highest rated fighter outside of Mr. Tank Davis. I was about to mention him next. Well, yeah, he's a tremendous talent. Like I said, we knocked on his door as well and I do believe that these guys are good fighters. It's just something that's special about Devin. You know what I mean? It's just something that's different and we were able to learn right here in Las Vegas. We spent a lot of time with Floyd Sr. Roger Mayweather and Mustafa, Virgil Hunter, Billy Giles out of New York, Roy Jones. So when it came time to him learning, I didn't have no problem with bringing in the best of the best. That's all right. If Floyd Sr. was away with Floyd Jr., then I would see Roy. If Roy had a fight, then you know what I mean? I would rotate. I'd rotate to Eddie, rotate to Billy Giles. Just, and you know, one thing that even as a fighter, Devin, he took in what he liked and what he didn't like, he left to the side. So everyone told me, he says, well, you gotta watch out putting a fighter with multiple coaches, because too many cooks in the kitchen spoiled a pot. Well, I said, well, what about when you send your kid to a school and he gotta learn six periods with six different teachers? Yeah. Six different personalities? Yeah. Writing substitutes and all this other stuff. I said, so why couldn't he learn from this trainer and this trainer? So while I was paying for it, I was learning homework. I would say, come on, Devin. I said, you're not doing it like Floyd told you. Now, I know you with Eddie right now, and Eddie not gonna tell you with Floyd, but we already paid Floyd, Sr. I'm not gonna go back over there and learn the shit again. That's real. You already learned it. You got tired of the same old thing and that's why we started working with whoever, right? And make it your own as well. Right, so now we've developed, and that's good thing that you say, Queen, cause now we developed our own thing where we can, we mix everything in. You know what I'm saying? I'll say, come back with the hook like Eddie. I'll say, take a look like Roy, you know what I mean? I'll say, roll in, roll out, like Roger. You know what I'm saying? Walk him down behind your shoulder like Sr. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's, and then, and then so I say to everyone to say that we not ready. I said, it's an old saying and you might know, I don't know if some of the youngs, it says who's the lane that taught him the game and where did he learn to fly? That's real. That's real. That's real. And the other part I was thinking because with everybody, cause sports, period, everybody have strength and a weakness. Yes. So with this person teaching him everything he needs to know, you need to also watch what's that person's weakness and capitalize and fix that to make you a perfect machine. Absolutely. 1,000% is about finding and your opponent being able to, styles make fights and being able to adjust to any style. So one thing I like to go back into and so when you were raised in Oakland. Oakland. East, wait a minute now it's East Oakland. East Oakland. Oh, sorry, sorry. It's a difference and you only know that when you talk to somebody from Oakland. If they specify, if you say hey from Oakland and they specify, they from East Oakland and they really from East Oakland. That's real. That's real. So were you raised with your mom and dad? You know what? My mom and dad had an argument one day. You know, they was fussing and fighting and shit and they came in and they asked me both of them stand on each side. How old were you when they asked you this question? Man, I was, it was about, I was about 10, nine. Okay. It was nine. Yeah, it was nine. And to ask you. They said, so who you want to live with? It was like, so she was like, Nussin, she was like, I'm taking him. And then he was like, well, no, I'm taking him. It was like, so which one, who do you want to live with? And I said, I want to live with grandma. Yeah. Eliminate all that. But I didn't know that grandma lived in the hood, bro. I mean, I knew it was the hood, but I didn't know girl, I didn't know what it mean. But you didn't know after? No, I had a little brother because, and then he said, he said, I'm going with my brother, I'm going with him. And I was like, come on, man, let's go. You know what I'm saying? I was like, come on, let's go. So, you know, that was it. And then I never wanted to upset either one of them by spending more time at either one of them house. So I just stayed in the neighborhood, you know? I'm telling you, man, like, you remind me so much of myself because my mom and dad got divorced at nine. Oh, really? I promise. That's crazy. You still remember it. I remember it. That's crazy. And I stayed with grandma most of the time. Grandma, thank you. Man, because at the end of the day, she didn't want to cook the best anyway. Man, you know what? Stop playing. Yeah. And you know what? My grandma never talked about my mom. She never talked about my dad. She never talked about them or none of that. That's a good grandma. And that's the way I learned it, you know what I'm saying? So even with the parent to partner thing that with my son, right, he was 32 and he got a three-year-old and then I got a grand daughter that's on the way coming soon. Congratulations. Thanks, man. Thank you for short. But it's about being a partner to him and not showing up with that, you know, grandpa got himself together more than my son. You know what I'm saying? And I've seen that happen so many times in the community where instead of working together to make my son or my daughter strong, right, we tend to come in and we come in strong as grandparents. I vowed, I said, once I become a grandparent, I'm gonna become a partner to my kid and not overshadow with, you know what I'm saying? That's real. Because they always spoil the grandkids and send them home to the parents and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do that. But I love the way how you put it together because I've always heard being a parent, it's a fine line, especially when your kids reach a certain age of trying to be their best friend compared to being a parent. There's a limit and some parents end up trying to be too much of a best friend and then that's when a disrespect comes in place because you're not really still trying to be a parent, so to say. That's why I don't use the word friend, I use partner, and with anything that you have a partner, you have a mutual respect for each other versus just being, you know, considered a friend because I feel when you look across from the friend the friend is on, can be on a different playing field but when you're partners, when you truly become partners. It's equal. It's equal, you know what I mean? That's real, that's real. But also understanding that I'm the most experienced partner on the team, so it's easier for me to understand an eight-year-old than to understand an eight-year-old to understand me. Right, that's real, that's real. You, like, you was down in Dallas, wasn't you? You came to Dallas? Yes, I did. And when you, I'm trying to figure out, I think it was in New Orleans. That wasn't there, no. No, no, no, but we, I see my guy over there but he was there just a little bit, he had to talk to CeCe and I was supposed to be here and black company, I was like, man, they coming. Everybody gonna be over here, you got it? I said, man, no, we went to Chicago. We went to Chicago and I was like, man, I'm gonna miss it because we gonna be in Chicago. That's what I was telling CeCe, we gonna, that Harold's Chicken ain't messing around with nothing down there in Texas. We were going back and forth about that. But one thing I wanna say is that CeCe went crazy when I interviewed her about Devin, I ain't even, she a big supporter, man. She wasn't trying to hear nothing. Yeah, she was screaming on that mic. Why did she go here at that part of the mic? I think she messed that mic up that day. She got a big voice, man. She is not playing. No, she's special, she's special to us. She's special to our community, you know what I mean, I hold her high regard and I'm a big fan of what she's doing. She didn't hit that thing running, you know what I'm saying? Right, and she can tell some hell of a story. What? Man, we went out through there, man. Gonna go down through there in a minute. We got some stuff she ain't able to talk about but it's coming where she's like, I'm coming to see you for anybody. So I just thank God for having Fable, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Fable ain't fair, but hey man, listen. I got B or A, I got Mr. Haney here today, man and that's hard, man. And we in Vegas, man, so what am I supposed to do out here? What's going on locally that I need to, I need to, is the food good? Where I need to go? What I need to do? You know everything. You and the queen, you have the queen, you stay close to the queen. For sure. You don't stay out of trouble. Vegas, man, we freaking went up here. I was asking her on the way, driving up from Cali. Yeah, cause he was like, tomorrow's Valentine's Day. What you wanna do? Where you wanna go? I'm like, mm-hmm. I'm gonna pick it out. We have some great restaurants here. You know, and it's the shows that are amazing. I don't know what show. Yeah, we've done something. Listen, I've been wanting to go see Asher. You know, and that's crazy. No, see. I heard his show is good. Ain't none of my gangster homies get mad at me. This is Asher. I said, Asher on the roller skates. That's a good one. And then the comedy shows. The comedy show. What you said, Mike Apps was here the other day. That's all right. You know what I'm saying? And Eddie Griffin stays here. Like he does. I haven't saw Eddie Griffin yet, but I've seen almost every other. Really? Yeah, comedian, the shows. What about Nick here for a while? She was, what they call it? A residency. I don't think she was a resident here, but I know Eddie Griffin is a resident. Eddie Griffin has been, yeah. That's all right, man. I'm still here. So, dude, is it a myth, or you stay away from these casinos, don't be in their gambling? No, don't y'all get no trouble. Get any pokey money, man. Don't do that. Man, don't do that. Some locals be up in their gambling. I've met some locals. I ain't never seen these lights go off in this place, man. And nobody never hit them so hard that none of these casinos, what you mean to tell me? Nothing ever went wrong. They stay home, though. They stay winning, but they never lose. They never lose, man. They're making more than they're giving out. Wow. So, how do you like what a music industry is in today versus where it was? Because you know a lot about it. No, I love the fact that every time in each industry, they say that it's dead, and now it's so much more money in music now than it was, you know what I mean, 10 years ago. And that's all that we as, you know, as a people can want for our youngsters, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100. Our young kings and queens, I should say is that they get a chance to good bite at that apple. You know what I mean? And they bite that apple. For real. Man, so how often do you go up to East Oakland? Oh, I own property there. Okay, so you go home, you go every 90 years? No, I go all the time. You for real? I go all the time. Okay. So I, you know what I mean? I keep up with my shit. Is it a reality check? They're like, is that old person there? They say, man, Bill, man, the old man. Is it old man there? It's always good to go back. You know what? And it's good because everybody seems so genuine and so proud, you know what I mean? Of me and I, listen, I love my city and I love what the people, you know, my friends have done for me, but I respect what they haven't did to me. Yeah. I've seen a lot of niggas that have seen me at a time and I didn't see them. Yeah. And they gave me a pass. Yeah. Or it was something that somewhere in the person said, no, Bill, he all right, man. You know what I'm saying? Let him go. I love all the niggas. That's what. I love all the niggas. And when I said that, I'm just saying, you know, like, it's always good to have, like when we go home, the older person, is he still there? And that old man or that old woman that knew you when you was a kid? You know what I mean? And I don't have a lot of that. Oh, no, no, no, no, the old, I think we the old man. You see what I'm saying? That's gotta be the old man. That's it! How did you feel the first time somebody called you an OG? OG, y'all, uh, uh, uh, uh. That's it. You know what? The OG stands for the other generation. Yeah. Yeah. Give it to me. Give it to me. They're still doing it. There you go. There you go. Hey, listen, it's something different about us, though. We ain't like, I don't know. I remember that old guy in them cackies and, they're not the same. No, they're not. They're just new, man. You don't know. That's what they are. And I've been hearing it, that's a good thing that they say that, like, you know, it's not what it used to be. Yeah. Man, I'm telling you, man, I'm happy, man. Yeah. I can see that you happy as well. I'm blessed, man. You know what I'm saying? Totally blessed. I ain't gonna even play with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'll be like, man, this is it. I feel good. You know what I mean? It's a lot of times, man, where I know where I come from, man, you know, and it's a lot of preserving when you'd be locked up. Two people don't talk about that part. It'll preserve you, man. Yes. All right. So when you, what was the thing that changed the most when you came home from that? I know it was a long time ago, but when you came home, something that was like, damn, I can't believe that changed over. Cell phones, of course. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because I said, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Of course, not having money, and then your friends might have appeared to be one way, but was what we called really, you know what I mean? Opportunists or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Correct. Right, that when you were doing good, then they had the opportunity that they could do good, and then when you weren't doing good, that they didn't see the same opportunity in you. So, that's always something different, but I was so happy to be home, And I think that, you know, cause I smile a lot, you know what I'm saying? I have fun and then I can fight too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that's working. It's like, you know, I didn't make somebody mad and instead of them coming to talk to me or come slap the shit out of me, you know what I'm saying? Nigga just decided to shoot me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you have trust issues when you came out? That's being trust, yeah. Because just for the main fact of what you just said that a lot of people who you thought that was cool with you and stuff like that before you went in, come in, ain't no, are you gone for that time? They didn't probably call, visit, nothing. So when you came back out, makes you wonder like, who is really down for me from who is not and all of that sort of stuff. Absolutely, you're gonna always run, you're gonna always run into, you know, who can you trust or, you know what I'm saying? Like that kind of thing. But I'm just happy to be home. You know what I'm saying? That's what I was, I was, you, I was just happy to be home, man. Go ahead. Boy, she put the thing on me, man. Boy, that's big. Go ahead. No, I wanted to go back into, okay, so Devon, I remember when you said that, I think it was age eight when you took him for his first boxing. Yes. Okay. And you were told that he is talented. A natural. A natural. How long after when you say, you know what, I'm gonna put my all into him, I'm gonna invest in him, I'm gonna do what it takes to make him a champ. How long after that did that come into your head? Yeah, you know what is funny? Cause just thinking of back on it, my friend, John, John White, and, you know, he has, he has one baby. You know, this is what I say, baby, the same age. It's, it's, you know what I'm saying? And he told me, he was like, he was like, Bill, I can't say, you know, I could go back and do it again after doing what we did with Devin, meaning I wouldn't got him a boxing gym right over on Sahara, right? His own boxing gym when he was like 10 years old, right? And for someone to do that, you know, that's pretty crazy. You know what I mean? I was really believing in him. But after seeing him, what he did to that boy that first time, I said, oh, we got something. I said, we got something. So that's why I always say. So you went right into it after that. No, just if you were to see it, cause he was already fighting. You should have, you should have videoed it. I didn't know it was gonna go down like that. I swear, I didn't. I thought he was going to get, I thought he was going to get what? I took him there to get what? And he taught you, he already knew he had some. Yeah, already. But how much did it cost? Like, cause I asked, no, all people, when I say, people are watching who maybe their child want to start boxing or their, or that child themselves. So you know what, I'm going to raise up some money to send myself through boxing. How expensive can it be to really just get up and, you know, with the talent to get up and get going? You know what, boxing is, you don't get paid a lot to, you get paid a lot and, but it's expensive. It's crazy cause it's expensive for the training and stuff, but the pay, that's just real weird. But if you get someone to believe in you, a coach to believe in you, you know, it can happen. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to say any kind of number cause I don't know any kind of number. Every number is, every number is different. But one thing that I can say is that, if you have faith and you're doing the right thing, that guy don't make a way. Won't he make, won't he do it? That's the only thing I really believe. I believe that too. And I was talking to him. I was talking to someone today. And then they told me, they was like, it was like you take care of so many people. That's all they're like. They're like, I'm concerned. I don't want you to like have no, when I was like, what? I said, what you mean? Like a nervous break out or something? And then I was like, and then I was looking to, right, right. That's the part I was like, so, and, but they wouldn't say it. They was like, no, I just want you to be, you know, just stay healthy. And what's the name? I said, listen, I said, if you can take care of, I can take her a quarter of the people, right? And you feel like you, you, it's okay to take her a quarter of people. And then she said, yes. She said, yeah, like a quarter of people. I said, well, why you only have an expectation out of you to take her. I have an expectation I can take care of all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we just have different expectations, right? I have something that I'm asking different of God than you. Cause I know it's all come to God. So why are you only asking for a quarter? And you can ask for a hundred. Man, that's so true. I like that. Yeah, that's real. Kid Austin. Floyd Schofield. Your son is the champion. Everybody's gunning for your son, man. I'm doing it a lot. Listen, listen, this is what you, this is the place that you work for and not a respect. But the ones like Kid Austin to tell the truth and say they want to fight, I have more respect for them than the ones that say they don't know who he is. Wow, that's all right. That's real. That's so real. Yeah. I hate when people do that. Yeah, I know. Do you know anybody that just said that? Not about him, but I know people who say that. I don't know this person that. I was gonna ask you so y'all make me forget, man. I can't stand y'all, man. Oh, the last fight. You couldn't go to the last fight. Yeah, that's what they said. Well, why? Was that all about? Why? Well, because of the felony. The felony, I figured that's what it was. You know what I mean? Where was it being held? It was in Australia. Oh, and they did that. But yeah, but the Victorian government, they, you know, thank God that they, they made the right decision. Let me come over. You know, they trusted that I was. Oh, they made an exception. Yeah, they made an exception and trusted that I was gonna come in and do the right thing. You know what I mean? They had looked at everything, you know, the rap sheet and all this stuff and made the decision. They made the right decision because that's all I want to do is go. Right. Support them. Be there for my, be there for my son. Yeah. And at the end of the day, I just, you know, I'm gonna be honest with you, man. I just love the fact that you came on Boss Talk 101. I'm so humble, bro. I mean a lot to me, man. We didn't know what we was doing when we first started this thing, man. But God, by faith, you know what I'm saying? We walked by faith, not by sight. So when we put this together, it was a time when we walked around with cameras and then nobody knew what I was doing there. That's the way God would do you. You don't know what's going on, but he'll make it all make sense in the end, you know what I'm saying? Just like when you took your son to that gym and you was going to teach him a lesson, but God had a lesson to teach you. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Masha'Allah, man. Masha'Allah, man. It's worked out great. Man, you know, the time has come, man. I'm going to shut it down. I got a question. I'm going to shut it down. You know what I got a question is, what is the age, the longevity for a fighter? Like up to one age? You know what? It does, it does. It varies. How they take care of their body and stuff. Of course, you see TV, Floyd, he's at 45. He's still doing exhibitions. For sure. And I think. But exhibitions is not like a real fight. The other day, I'm talking real. They don't pay nine million. They don't pay nine million. They had money. He was like, it's tough. But it is an exhibition, and so you're right. But from a competitive standpoint, I believe that I think George Forman might have been the oldest guy. And how old was that? That's why you asked me where I was from. How old was George Forman? He was old, because he'd be that last one. He won his championship. Yeah, he was 50. He was whooping people at 50. Yeah, yeah. But that's, of course, not the norm. Yeah, that's very rare. I think where they're in their prime is like 32 to. Yeah. And then they retire after that. They retire about 34, 35. Okay. And if they haven't lost their belt, is retire with the belt? Yeah, retire with the belts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, retire with the belts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you, like I said, man, thank you for coming on the show. You know, if people trying to, you know, this people out here got dreams, well, how can they get a hold of you? Can they go through Instagram and reach out to you? Yeah, well, you know, I told you, you can go, you can go on TikTok. You never go on TikTok. But you said go on TikTok, but what is a TikTok handle? Bill Haney. Bill Haney. Coach, coach Bill Haney. Coach Bill Haney. And what do you be doing on TikTok anyway? I'm trying to get my followers up so my daughter will see. That's why y'all go on there. Cause she like that. Do you do dances? No, I actually talk, I actually do some talking and, and, you know, kind of like just let everyone know what I'm going through in my life. And you know how all these experiences have affected me and you know, I'm getting up every day in the morning, as I get up after Faja prayer and I try to say something, you know what I mean? Positivity. Yeah, just positive, you know, some things like that. And so I put those on there. Of course, cause that's what I do. I'm not a big dancer or nothing, but you know, I can show her that the daddy can put up what he does and she can be comfortable putting up what she does. And he doesn't have to be something that somebody else is, you know, doing or, you know, cause they're dancing or cause they're doing the makeup. That's just, that's not our thing. If she ever got up and said she wanted to box, would you let her? That's a hard one right now, but. I'm just checking. Boxing is, is a tough sport. It's a tough sport. But females ought to be boxing now. Well, she got to just get in a couple of fights at school first. No, I don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear this, but, you know, but Dev, like I said, we turned to negative and positive and found that he had a natural gift that God gave him, you know, he likes to move out the way and, you know what I mean? And don't get hit. Yeah, and he doesn't take it personal if you guys fight and then you guys can be friends after, you know, I don't know, but you can, can you fight somebody and then just be friends after? It take a little bit, but we might be friends, but it's going to take a little bit. It depends. Like if we were friends before and we just, it was just a fight and we just get over it, we can be friends. Okay, all right. No, it take a little bit, bro. Yeah, it take a little bit. Even with him, like, and sparring, right? Now you call the sparring partner up and you'll talk to him, hit him up, you know what I'm saying? Get ready, he goes over there, he goes, and then they, they commit to try to kill each other. You know what I'm saying? And then, but they're helping each other, but they're trying to kill each other, you know? So it takes, it takes something that's really special to be a fighter and that's why I always give them guys their props, you know what I mean? But I don't, I don't make it no mistake though. I'm in the Devon Haney business. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's sparring business. That's real. And you should be. Does sparring partners give their all when they're fighting, like sparring? Well, they should. Because I'm thinking you don't want to hurt the investment before a big fight. Yeah, yeah, but then you also don't want the investment to go in there, not prepared. That's right. So, you know, you want to try to give, you want to try to give the correct work. And you know what I mean? If the fighter is on that level, where chances is that if you're the sparring partner and then why aren't you the fighter? You know what I mean? Like if you can do all that you're doing, then you shouldn't probably be a sparring partner. And if, I mean, like if you're that much ahead of the guy that you're sparring, like you're holding back. I got you. Then you're not a sparring partner. So. Kudos to you, man. You mentioned something early and I ain't forgot it yet. You said Jay-Z, 50 cent. Everybody came about, you know, Devin, right? Well, definitely. And that's big, man. Well, any mogul. And respectfully declined. Respectfully. Yeah, well, exactly. But that's what we worked. That's what we worked to. To get the attention of, you know what I mean? The moguls, big wigs, you know, and a like to be interested. But unfortunately, you know, I had a vision that they couldn't see. And normally, you know, that's just the way that thing go. When God gives you a vision, he gives it to you. He didn't give it to nobody else. So when you actually trying to explain it to them, you can't get frustrated because they don't see the vision God gave you. Man. You know what I mean? That's so real. That's what I said. Respectfully, they did the best. All of them did the best and put it on the table. They didn't have to have us come over there. He didn't have to come to the house. You know what I mean? Come to the office. You know what I mean? So I'm thankful to all that. And each and every time it was kind of like, we wanted X. And they said, well, you could get X, but you need Y, right? So we went out and got Y to get us to Z. Man. Say, man. And when God gave you that vision, how hard was it to get Devon on board? Because sometimes you're born in there. When I saw him, his natural gift, I said, and then being in the town with Floyd and seeing Floyd, I said, you know what, Dev? I said, man, I said, watch that dude. That's real. I said, don't watch that, man. I said, this shit, they're going to come and tell you that dad is the nigga, nigga. That's what they're going to tell you. Even my friends, when you go do some bad shit, they're going to say, you just like your daddy. Or don't listen to your daddy. He was bad just like you. I said, man, don't listen to the niggas. I said, dad, I'm going to tell you. That's real. I was tearing the money down in the town, man. Floyd, that's real. And then Floyd, of course, after Devon was boxing and shit like that, I told Floyd, I said, my son, box, I want you to sing, you know what I mean? And he said, yeah, yeah, he'd been working with his dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His dad at that time. He said, OK, what time y'all going to go to the gym? And when Floyd's saying it, like everybody else, he said, he said, Bill, you got something. That's hard, boy. That's a big, that's a big, that's a big deal because of all that he done been through. And the dad, man, y'all seen him coming a mile away. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's been a blessing. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you, brother. Thank you, man. Thank you as well. Family as well, man. Thank you, queen. Say, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 with him. Can I tell him, too? Yeah. But follow real Devon Haney and get it for real, for real. Or Instagram. You got me, Bill Haney, Underscrolling Instagram. And I do got only fans, too. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. But wait a minute. You ain't going to see no ass. You're going to get to the cash. Yeah. You come talking to me. And for whatever it is a month, you're going to be able to get it straight and stay on course. That's all up. Yes, sir. So you want Clubhouse and all of that, too? Yeah, I'm on Clubhouse. You want Clubhouse? No half-stepping. We just started it. Ooh, I still don't understand Clubhouse. No, we just started. It's called No Half Stepping. And we haven't, we're in the process of doing our first date. I mean, our first date. When you're going to do it, man, and tell me, you got to come and tell me, like, how it is. I don't know nothing about it. I've just seen it. I see different people do it. I know people be arguing on there a lot of time. I want to see what this is. Boxing going to be pretty much the core of it. Yeah, no, but we're not just boxing. We're just going to cover the lifestyle and everything. Business and how to make money. OK, and parenting, and you know what I mean? That's all. Some of this good black culture. That's real. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, so just be open platform. And I don't want to be, you know what I mean, to end all, to be all, the beginning of none of that. I just want to get on there with some other like-minded individuals. Yeah. And let's wrap on. That's all. What's your end goal with all of this? Like, with Devin, with the parenting, with everything? That this will be a parent-to-partner planet. My goal is that one million families will be connected and partnership that are disconnected now. And if it means getting help from one million parents and partners that are doing well, and they sponsor a family like the beautiful family. They sponsor another family. Because we can't do everything. We shouldn't be expected to do everything. But if we can do one thing as a family, adopt another family, and we can get one million people to do that, one million families, I think that this is all better. And it's only here in Vegas right now? Well, I'm looking to do it worldwide, and I hope to do it worldwide. You know, I know that I have parents and partners that are a part of the organization that are not just here in Vegas. So I know we're looking to have an event here in Las Vegas. But this will be something that is for the community. It's not just a representation of me. But we want to be able to address trauma that goes on in the family. Because there's a lot of trauma between the parents and the partners. You know what I mean? The parent and the child, so to speak, right? So we want to deal with that. It's a lot of parents and child children that are disconnected financially. If we can get some money, parents are left behind, parents are left behind in prison. You know what I mean? That's real. That aren't. Children end up on the streets. Right, and what I stress to me, coming from being in prison, that a lot of those brothers are, they should be used to show what you shouldn't do. Yeah. Like all the brothers that are in jail, I tell them, thank you, man. Because when you call my sons, when you call me and my sons hear you, I say, that's Uncle Tata on the phone, right? Like, damn, Tata's still in there. Or that's E, or that's, you know what I mean? Right? So they keep my shit straight. That's real, but they don't know it. You know, and I tell them all the time, I say, bro, I'd use you as an example. Yeah. I said, so all the guys that aren't ain't in hunger, they're self aren't taking pills that call in the hundred percent solid and tell my son, you don't want to be here. Thank you. I tell them, thank you all the time. And if we can get more examples out to these kids because sometimes these kids, like with my dad, you know what I mean, he's a blue collar worker. I didn't think that he was here. Yeah. I thought this other nigga was here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't listen to him. So now I say is, let's go take these kids and see these guys in the prison. Let's bring the kids out. I mean, when the guys get out from prison, one of the requirements is that they speak to kids. That's real. You know what I mean? It is. You can just go right to, you need to speak to the kids and let them know where you came from, why the stories is fresh on your mind. On your mind, yes, sir. You know what I mean? Why you really are mad that you was there, but you really feel that pattern. They need to feel it. They need to feel it. They need to feel it. Because for some reason I keep it. You know what I'm saying? For some reason I keep. Keep you home. I keep the fact that tonight, you know what I'm saying? I want to get home. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was driving, you know what I'm saying? I kissed my daughter and all the stuff. You know, I always think about it and say, I never think about it in the daytime, but at night time, for some reason, you know what I mean? I always say, you know, I think it's more dangerous. Well, yeah, I just say, damn, you know, I want to get home. Yeah, it could happen. You know what I'm saying? You know what can happen? I say, damn, you know what I mean? Yeah. Let me just stay focused so I can get back. But if you have a couple of drinks, a smoke, you know what I mean? That spidey sense that you get and start dying down and start dying down and then you end up standing around. But initially, when you're going out, your first thought is to get back home. You got to get back home, man. Like I said, man, I just like I said, I've never seen this coming. Again, shout out to a fight fan, man. Black, my guy, man, cc, man, for holding us down like they always do. I can't just stop thinking them enough for the people that they always refer us to and call us family, man. That's big, you know what I mean? And now you family. And guess what? One day, you may even have Devon on us. Y'all better stop playing. Boss talk one on one. Devon will come through now. It's already been solidified. Dad is here. Family. Y'all thank you so much, man. God bless you, brother. It's been another great segment of boss talk one on one. What a boss is talk. And we out.