 Welcome to the World Summit on the Information Society 2016 in Geneva, Switzerland. And I'm delighted to be joined by Manuel de Costa Cabral, who is the co-president of CEPT, that's the Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations. Manuel, welcome. Now, you attended another very key WISIS meeting. It was the WISIS Plus 10 in New York in December. What were the outcomes of that meeting? Well, thank you, WISIS, for this opportunity, and I would like to say that the meeting in New York went in a very constructive and positive manner, and the outcomes that resulted from that meeting were really encouraging and positive results, I think. So in my view, the development section, the development outcomes that came out from the meeting were extremely rich and extremely helpful for our, to settle a framework for which the international community, the international stakeholders can work to proceed with that agenda. So first of all, there is a linkage, a clear linkage between the WISIS process and the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. I think it was a clear outcome of that meeting. And there was also very much an emphasis on still maintaining a multi-stakeholder approach. Exactly, exactly. So there was a clear indication that the linkage between the WISIS process and the Sustainable Development goals are only met, if it's only met, if multi-stakeholders work together in that process. So I think that is a very good message that came out of that. Also I see as positive to see that in a such high-level meeting as the one held under the UN General Assembly umbrella, there is a clear indication that ICT is the information society. It's not like just a jargon for some technical experts. No, it's part of our daily lives, it's part of our daily activities. And so this is also an indication about the progress that we made and the progress that we were able to build together in the last couple, well in the last 10 years or so. Very quick change that our society has made. As you say there's been massive progress in the last 15 years, a real internet and digital revolution. Exactly. Tell me about the country that you come from, Portugal. What steps have you taken in Portugal to build an information society? Well so in Portugal I think it's a very interesting case in a number of perspectives. So we went through a difficult economic situation, financial situation. So the public administration was not so keen to invest in this sort of issues. But then what happened was that the fierce competition between private companies allowed to have strong investments still in networks. So they were able to lay down the networks, the NGA networks, both through fiber or cable networks. And then which resulted in a coverage, the NGA coverage, which is quite significant even in the European Union level. So we are among the highest penetration in terms of coverage within our EU colleagues. But there's still some challenges. Yeah, yeah. But there are still some challenges. The challenges we face are exactly on the take up of broadband. So people, there is still a long way to go to have the full benefits of those networks, the full benefits of these broadband services. And I just would give you an indication. So there are groups of population that are highly educated, they have access to these sort of services and so on. And so they are full benefitters of this revolution they are facing. But then there is also a different group of people that live in rural areas or remote areas that are not so, not benefiting so much of this process. So there's even a digital divide in an advanced market like Portugal between rural and urban. Exactly, exactly. So the challenge that we face, sometimes we speak about digital divide among different countries, among different continents. But obviously even within countries we see that, we see different realities and different perspectives. And so we have also to work so that these services continue to become affordable to everyone, that there is literacy, digital literacy. So it's very important to work on the education, to work with young children since the beginning to, so that they can make use of these ICTs. And meet the benefits, yes. Absolutely. Manuel de Costa Cabral, co-president of SEPT, thank you very much for joining us. Thank you very much. And please do join us on the ITU YouTube channel where we'll be hearing from experts from all over the world on the impact that information and communication technologies can make on our daily lives.