 I know it's really what it's in techniques They wanted to catch me and Roger listening to Weezer's cover of Africa as well They know they thought you were wheezing and thought maybe you needed medical attention possibly that we sir. Yeah I mean since I you know basically said anybody who's anybody thinks that Africa by Toto is the best song ever ever created and Tom was like I don't think I agree That's fine. That's fine. We're a good song, but it's okay. Yeah, that's fair But yeah, I get a lot of tweets like have you heard this cover of Africa? I'm like I don't want to hear covers of Africa These are cover of Africa is huge like this we were watching their appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Where Steve Tokaro from from Toto came out for a guest solo on the synthesizer in the middle like a synth solo Since we started talking about that song on DTNS Sarah, it has made a huge comeback I think it's all down to you Coincidence I think not no, you know what you should read about it in the series from Time Life called What is it called the unexplained? Hmm. Okay Well, we're glad you're back Roger and it's time to do the show is everybody ready Everybody's ready Here we go The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside Organizations if you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, June 13th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt I'm Sarah Lane, and we're very happy to have on the show from England Charlotte Henry author of not buying it Welcome Charlotte. Oh, thank you for having me back. Yes. Hello all the way from London London literally calling well not literally you're on a hanging Well Charlotte's gonna talk with us a little bit about the the big Time Warner AT&T merger and the fallout from that in a little bit Our producer Roger Chang is back Roger. I'm glad glad you're back. Thank you for having me Thank you for working for us. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Some big news today Comcast officially made an offer to buy parts of 21st century Fox TV and film All cash offer were 35 $35 per share totally and approximately 65 billion dollars Which notably is higher than what Disney was offering. That was a stock based 52.4 billion deal Fox broadcasting Fox news and Fox sports Not part of either offer Comcast was also waiting for the AT&T Time Warner deal to be resolved So that's probably a factor here Yesterday a US federal judge ruled that a merger could go ahead We're going to talk about more of this a little later in the show Microsoft announced a new design coming to office based on the fluent design the one you see in windows 10 The ribbon is now just going to be one row It'll add accessible icons and you will if you don't like that change be able to expand back to the classic version of three rows Office on the web has been rebuilt to run faster and will include avatars for commenters as well as dedicated colors for participants Microsoft says it will deploy new designs to select customers in stages Starting with the new ribbon in the web version of word and then coming to outlook for windows in july and then on and on and on In twitter news twitter will start alerting users at the top of their timeline when a major event is happening For example an earthquake We here in la love those or the world cup or some sort of other event that a lot of people care about Tapping on the alert will take users to a section with curated tweets broken up into categories like Recap or latest or the like the explore tab will focus on these events and twitter is adding new sections for topics like news Sports and also a personalized for you section Australia announced wednesday has agreed to fund new undersea cables and a security center for the solemn islands China's wall way had announced plans to lay cables to the solemn islands Which would have connected on to a broadband hub in sydney and australia didn't like the idea of wall way having that access So they've decided to lay their own cables instead. All right. Let's talk a little bit more about intel Getting into the gpu business Correct in a tweet intel said on tuesday that its first discreet gpu will come in 2020 The company says its gpu will target both data centers and gaming PCs until hired amd's graphics head rajah kadori last november Now last time until attempted a discreet graphics card was with lara b back in 2009 which only made it to data centers Yeah, they were kept talking about a gaming p version of that one coming out and it never did They just came out with the night's landing Version and they're sort of denying that it happened. They're saying our first ever gpu will be coming but I keep talking about intel Getting into the businesses that are next trying to make sure they're ahead of the game And and catch that next wave and not miss out on mobile This is a little bit more of them getting in on a hot market that does seem to keep heating up As gpu's don't used for more and more things like machine learning, etc Uh, i'm gonna chime in here. I think they really need to I think they're feeling the The competition breathing down their neck. They need to have an all-in-one solution That is performance capable now. They already have you say all-in-one, but it's a discreet gpu No, no, I mean like they they have they have an not all-in-one. I don't mean like a single design But I mean like they have an all-in-one shop Uh design that they can Uh farm out in the way that amd has successfully pretty you know rather successfully with their With their gpu as well as their cpu business and you know and viddy is pushing the other way, right? They're trying to they're developing their own Arm-based processors for you know markets that traditionally have been x86 only And so like you know, it's like well, we need something that can compete, right? We have integrated graphics No one no one is going to mistake them for a performance part It's a budget power issue for for for that part But we need to start competing on this other playing field that we haven't been before Dixon's car phone and out. Oh, I'm sorry charlotte. What is that? I find the um Gaming PC version of idea of this that Intel would get into that market more Really interesting because you guys were talking yesterday about the kind of gaming streaming And you know we'll just be playing games stream from our TVs like network Netflix for a monthly thing For monthly subscription and actually suddenly you've got a massive company like and intel go No, what we need is the top of the ring. We want the serious gamers, you know Even in the uk here. We started having e-sports broadcast live on tv. Oh, yeah That's that that intel are thinking. Do you know anyone can do streaming games? But we need to be at the top end of this market And that as we mentioned yesterday that top ends not going away because As good as streaming gets the latency is still going to be bothersome for people who really want to have the best Is not going to ever be the same as a intel powered specific gaming pieces Dixon's car phone announced it has informed the uk's ico fca and the police that it detected evidence of a data breach Attackers access to payment data a lot of times we talk about breach and say well, but they didn't get payment data They just got personal info this time they got both It did not include pin codes or those cvv numbers that are on the back of cards often However, about 105,000 of these cards were not from the eu and didn't have chip and pin protection Meaning they are considering those cards compromised. So they've notified card issuers They have not detected any fraud on any of the potentially compromised numbers The attackers as I mentioned also access name email and address for about 1.2 million records And again, no evidence that data is being used But charlotte, I thought this was interesting because it's the first breach in the eu Since gdpr Since gdpr. Yes, which everyone is still recovering from the eight million emails We all received asked me to subscribe or unsubscribe for gdpr But also what was interesting to me was it kind of gave me a flashback to the talk talk pack Um, which was a huge huge huge news here and the information commissioners office I mean didn't finish all that long guys. There was a massive fun in 2016 the talk talk Uh, so in that case the information commissioners office here really Kind of put now their colors to the mast and took it very seriously. So I suspect Cover warehouse are not going to be in pretty easy time here because this is like to say one. It's after gdpr to it comes after The the authorities here had really made their point about breaches and how seriously we were taking it So there's gonna be I think a comfortable uncomfortable months coming up Charlotte just as an aside before we move on to the next story I've always chuckled a little bit at the at the name carphone warehouse Which is obviously it pulled over from you know a previous era Is that something that anybody in uk even thinks about because the stores are everywhere Yeah, well, they've known for dixons now. So it's kind of become more of a thing I mean the bigger thing is actually to people still buy electronics on the high street Yeah, we had we had so you had dixons coffin warehouse merge. We've now had another range of stores called mac pins which has gone under the british high street at the moment Is a under huge huge pressure and the electronic stores are really really facing it because Guess what people just buy their stuff. I've happened. Yeah, nobody was buying radios at radio shack And now no one's buying anything at radio shack Carphone warehouse always kind of reminded me of radio shack. It's like we all know what it is It's just a very antiquated name Okay, well something that isn't antiquated is what's going on in iceland iceland's Aha, which launched a limited drone delivery trial with israeli company fly treks last year Will phase in more drones over the next two years Meaning that reikivik, which is the capital Residents could soon expect drone deliveries to their doorsteps, which is ahead of other european capitals although reikivik is Pretty interesting as a capital if you want to compare it to other european capitals Aha is permitted to fly 13 routes around reikivik and drones can make detours of up to 700 meters in order to reach their customers I mean forget european capitals. This is ahead of everywhere, but orwanda Orwanda is the only place i know of that has like had drone delivery for medical supplies in its case For a long time and it's an established business everywhere else has just been trials up until now I think this is kind of a big deal It's a huge deal, but has anyone ever cracked the security problems as soon as i've discussed this with people and they're like If you saw something cool being flown by the amazon drone, but you just knock out the sky and steal it Has anyone really tackled these security issues? Aha says they're not worried about that because they fly high enough and they fly 50 kilometers an hour They're like most people will not be able to see them. So it is not a Significantly larger risk than say a ups truck or or something like that which you could also Which is probably true to an extent, but if a drone is going to drop something in someone's backyard At some point, you know, even if it's way above what we would see like you're going to see it at some point So yeah, I think sure that's coming down I don't know like you'd like, you know use a BB gun and take a drone down It would have to be your only your neighbor's drone because it's going to be high until it gets close to the delivery Part point then it comes down and leaves it in the secure delivery area This is why you do a trial though, which they did and it seems to have worked. So now we'll see how this works I ask it's going to freak out a lot of authorities. We have a problem here And I don't know if it's such a problem in the u.s Of drones being used to get stuff into prisons a lot of our Are in very built up areas And so it's very easy for people just to be hanging around and trying to fly stuff over the walls So I suspect Authorities particularly here in britain are going to be very very worried about having a load of drones flying around Google announced its next AI research center will be located in akra gana senior google AI fellow Jeff dean and staff research scientist Mustafa siss wrote in a blog post that events like data science africa 2017 Which took place in tansania the 2017 deep learning in daba event in south africa We're encouraging in making the decision to locate in gana the center will focus on applications of AI research in africa so Keep in mind. This is now the trend of of research The the new thing is open your AI research center in a way to encourage people to come there Contribute to your project and that way you can hire some of the most brilliant people Google's now done this not only in europe and the united states and north america but in china and now in gana The tech revolution is happening in america in africa are fascinating Yeah It's just like some of the stuff you read about and hear about happening that is And how connected some of those countries now are without us sounding like silly patronizing Westerners is the level of it innovation happening there is fabulous. It's amazing Yeah, the way we were looking at southeast asia in the 80s and and and india in the 90s You got to be looking at africa like there's going to be some alibaba's and grabs and olas Coming out of africa soon Well, let's take it back to london shall we london tech week is going on and amongst the ar and vr And ai and ball pit for developers deputy mayor rejesh agrawal is touting london over silicon valley Dems writing words. He said quote if you're in the u.s. New york is the finance capital Washington DC is the seat of government silicon valley is where all the tech talent exists But in london we have all of this in one place So charlotte i want to kick this over to you is that true as a resident of london? Can you see this? Yeah, this has always been the pitch with london. So you have literally within walking distance An aerocort always could also be around about they call it silicon roundabout in london And that is within minutes walking distance of the city of london What's known as the square mile there the traditional city of london where the finance centre still is That that is real and then not very far away. You have westness at the seat of government So it is practically there that was one of the reasons why london always tried to make itself the tech centre There's lots of other places I mean gaming for example game development happens across the uk and actually primarily not in london, but um in terms of startups that that's london is the heart of it because it is so easy to Connect with the people who can finance it and that's why they have things like london tech week And it's fascinating we've had a lot of debates happening today brexit is in parliament today We've had mp storming out. It's been a huge controversial day, but one of the things people think Will help win through brexit is if we can have this technological innovation particularly coming from london Yeah, as it's it's good for london either way And certainly necessary if if if there is a more traumatic version of brexit that happens Which is anybody's guess at this point, right? So the word is the gaming development capital of england if not london if there is a city It's extraordinary. I think there's also there's amazing studios over in wales across the whole country But the input the reason why british government has been so supportive of the gaming industry is because it's not london based They felt that it was something that was very regional and so I mean, there's huge technological innovation happening in cambridge as well because of the universities That's another you have to remember about london as well. We have a huge number of universities based here So you have all that expertise as well plus it's within You know short train rides of oxford and cambridge and so so you have a lot of that connectivity But in terms of gaming, I mean it's happening around the uk It's one of the kind of unsung success stories that card visual effects of gaming Around the uk is quite extraordinary It's too bad. They went with silicon roundabout. I would have preferred silicon circus A circus is just another name for a roundabout, right? Is it? Piccadilly circus. I actually never really knew that silicon circus I just never really thought about it I think if you call it silicon circus and yeah, I don't know. We you know sort of like, you know some stocks dip, you know Everyone's like well, it was always a circus. Yeah, maybe that's not the right thing. So many ways it does. It doesn't it doesn't Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines in each day about five minutes is all you need Go subscribe to daily tech headlines. You can even get it on google home And it's I believe on the serri home bud now as well as amazon echo and of course has a podcast at daily tech headlines dot com US district court judge richard leon ruled that at&t's proposed purchase of time warner is illegal And leon even said i'm not going to impose any conditions on this It's kind of made it sound like it's open season You have media company and you want to merge go for it says judge leon The merger will combine time warners hbo turner networks warner brothers film studio Remember, this is not time warner cable. This is time warner the television and movie company Time Warner cable doesn't even exist anymore. It's called spectrum. It's part of charter So this is at&t wanting to buy television networks Particularly cnn tnt with its mba deal hbo the warner brothers film studio That's all gonna exist now alongside at&t's isp and it's pay tv service like direct tv At&t expects the merger to close on or before june 20th US assistant attorney general make on delrahim says the government still opposes the merger It's considering next steps, but judge leon said don't you dare ask for a stay that would be a Horrible thing to do like he really tried to talk him out of it So we'll see if the department of justice continues to oppose this If not, we're probably going to see in fact we as the top of the show mentioned We've already seen comcast come out and say yes We would like to buy the pieces of fox that disney wants to buy so there's going to be a bidding war there The theory is that murdoch actually prefers the disney deal Because comcast was in on the negotiations back in december But the fact that regulatory opposition Might have been one of the things that was a negative about comcast Could be less of an issue now that we've had this decision from the judge But you're probably going to see cbs and viacom heat up will they merge There's rumors out there the charter might want to buy cbs and or viacom or both There's been some talk that maybe verizon would look at them Although verizon seems to be pivoting to focusing on infrastructure with their new ceo Who is an expert in 5g, but who knows maybe oath Would would maybe they'd bring in armstrong and say hey, let's get you a media company There's a great article on recode about this Showing all of the bits and pieces out there that that are available. You've got amc is is is ripe for acquisition You've got cox cable out there. You've got discovery scripts Even sony's pictures if you separate it from the rest of sony Which there's talk that maybe they would spin it off It starts to look like a small piece that could be bought from sony possibly so It's it's sort of open season now. What do you guys think of of where this is all going? I think it seems to me that this is the only way media companies think they can survive at the moment Is they think only yeah, they think they have to be as big as possible And as big as is allowed by the regulators in order to survive that book and What I'm interested in as well is what does this mean in terms of original content? Do you think if that these two merge? This new company's going to have a lot more power to produce original stuff Because that's to me where the battle is Seems to move that they want to be able to complete with the oranges the new blacks and Mr. Robots and everything going on on amazon crime and netflix Yeah, and and I would not be shocked. Well, first of all, they get that with hbo, right? Hbo may be small on the streaming end right now But if you add in all of their cable subscriptions and their worldwide deals, uh, they are huge So that is a business that seems to be in the process of transaction of transition Yeah, you get and in in the uk sky, which is obviously connected to was connected to the meldox and so on You get uh, uh, some of the hbo original programming now is on Sky new sky america. Mm-hmm. We have a channel which shows all these those. Yeah. Yeah So so time Warner gets a streaming service in hbo now right right off the bat or I mean at&t gets it My question. Yeah, I think a good question is Do they then take the engine? That makes shows for tbs, which is highly proficient in comedies You don't hear people talking about them as much because they're not dramas, but and you try beca Uh, you know conan o' brian. That's that's all tbs The do they start to create their own streaming services out of the catalog produced by these channels TNT tbs, etc and and shovel it into a netflix competitor rather than licensing those shows out to hulu or netflix or others Yeah, I mean that that to me. I think that is the right question because I think these big companies have almost they've been so big they could rest on their laurels for a bit And they didn't care if netflix or amazon prime were reshowing their shows or whatever But suddenly they were they became production companies that could compete with them and in some cases beat them And I think that's what's really scared a lot of these big media companies netflix is about as big as disney at this point in market cap Uh, so at&t already bigger than netflix or disney One of the other things that I saw a few people talking about is they also get more data They can have customer data harvested out of the cable relationships the hbo streaming packages And start to become an advertising company when they combine it with what they know as an isp with what they know As a direct tv operator And that is really where at&t wants to be they want to be in that trillion dollar market category next to Google facebook amazon apple etc google and facebook dominating advertising right now because they have customer data Yeah, I mean there they it seems like this battle is hitting happen It'll be interesting to see this side of the at&t as well We've got a slightly different media environment. It's slightly more fragmented But um, it'll be very interesting to see if These big mergers actually happen. We've obviously always had we had recently Uh, the kind of the talk over sky. There was a controversy with sky news over here Could the the murdoch own company take that over? So it'll be interesting to see if the the kind of merger free for all that's happening over your side of the at&t Come comes over here. Yeah, and comcast is interested in sky That I don't think they've they've made an actual offer for them yet But that that's kind of the next shoe to drop, huh? Yeah, right exactly. Um, and also it's really worth listening to if you haven't had a chance after you've watched today's tech news show Pete Kafka who you mentioned did a brilliant interview at the recode conference With james murdoch where he talked where james murdoch was very coin about this comcast bit He said we'll deal with it when it happens. Well, it's happened now. So let's let's see how how the murdoch reacts Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and and pete does the lord's work over the recode cover of this too Like he's one of the people I I always listen a little extra close to because He's been following this. Yeah. I mean james murdoch more or less said no, we want to go with disney We're not interested in the comcast takeover, but hostile pickovers don't always work that way How about less regulatory uncertainty and 10 more billion dollars? Does that change your mind james? Maybe it does. Yeah, when you're sitting on the board Somewhere Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit We love you submit stories also vote on other people's stories at daily tech news show reddit.com Want to hang out on facebook? That's fine too facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show is where we'll hang out We there and keep the emails coming. We've been getting some great emails We don't read every single one on the show we get more than we could do that with But that doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome email and we try to respond when appropriate as well What's in the mailbag today, sir? Well, we got one from rich and lovely cleveland who says in response to us talking about usbc versus thunderbolt and what iphone might have in the future says I think a lot of confusion around usbc comes from apple leading the charge to do thunderbolt 3 Over the interface as well as using it for device charging if the interface was just used as a reversible usb 3.1 port it'd be straightforward But even an apple's limited ecosystem seeing a usbc port can mean vastly different things the macbook The 13 inch macbook pro the 15 inch macbook pro all use different wattage for charging over usbc So there's no real universal there the pro line can do thunderbolt 3 Which means multiple external displays graphics and pcie speeds the macbook on the other hand much more limited Cables don't make it obvious at a glance if there's thunderbolt support or whether you can get a 5 or a 10 or 40 gigabit per second Relative mystery not to mention half the thunderbolt 3 ports on the 13 inch macbook pro Don't even get full bandwidth rich says this becomes less obvious if you're moving to the larger pc market Although very few exclusively use usbc, which mitigates the issue somewhat He says this will get better as time goes on right now though usbc and thunderbolt 3 pretty confusing Yeah, I guess i've dealt with this by not using usbc for much I've basically use it for charging and almost always use The cable supplied with the device with that device With the exception of you of you of interchanging some phone chargers from time to time But yeah Once all of my peripherals that i'm looking at right in front of me my keyboard my mouse my My mixer all work on usbc all of these issues become serious because I don't want to have to be like Well, wait, which cable actually carries the data at the speed that I need I can't tell like that's that's not a good situation to be in charlotte. How many dongles do you have in your Home office right now Very personal question All right, I'm actually I'm actually still Just about holding out keeping my laptop my keyboard and you know track pad and stuff powered by uh by bluetooth We've got the um, so I use it like on the superfast android chargers Which does a pretty nice job But it's it but if I use an older generation one we can talk It's it'll come up on my phone and I've got I've got an s8 edge It'll tell me oh, yeah, it's going to take six seven eight hours to charge Wow, this is craziness. This is because it's an older cable. What is this 2008? Right seven hours But seriously, I've had messages like four five six hours. This is mad Yeah, and this is because the issues I did to find these are old cables These are you know, it may not be the exact cable that's come in the box and so and things are just not compatible. It's not universal and for all of us, you know Using multiple devices in multiple locations. We want I'm sure you guys are like me that want loads of different Chargers and that you say Sarah dongles and your different bits and pieces to keep everything running whichever room in the flat or office you're in Like we need a bit of compatibility. I also think what I was wouldn't you a list talking about? Uh, if that the uh, iphone might change some of its inputs or yesterday I was just imagining that apple fanboy meltdown about this I mean, I think people have only just recovered from when they changed it the last time and yeah and barely To be in hotel rooms that have lightning ports in their alarm clocks instead of the old version So yeah, people like freaked out over the headphone port situation. So I don't even know what's going to happen next time Well, what we do hope happens next is charlotte henry being on the show Sooner than later again, so fun to have you charlotte let folks know where they can learn more about your book and everything else you've been up to Thanks. Oh, yes, it's been really fun to be back actually. So if you uh go to unbound.com Yeah, there we go unbound.com slash books slash not buying it. That's my first book We've uh, the publisher does everything by crowdfunding. We've done a hundred percent. Yay. So Yay You can still if you if you pledge now get your name in the book. There's some cool extras there as well So do get involved in that There's loads of other stuff from me at charlotteahenry.com or at charlotteahenry on twitter Excellent. Thank you charlotte and thanks to everybody who crowd funds this show and makes it possible. We are actually At almost halfway through the month four patrons ahead of last month. So keep it going Let's see how many more people we can get in the pool because the more people watching the more discussions We have with each other and the more fun it is Especially if you take advantage of some of the perks at some of the higher levels like joining the slack Or getting the the the weekly column with sometimes appearances by alternate tom who is entirely unreasonable That's all can be found at patreon.com Dtns our email address if you would like to give us feedback Whatever it may be is a feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're also live monday through friday if you can join us Please do so for 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc and find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live Justin robber young's back. It's over. We talk to you tomorrow This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frogpants.com That was a great show great show charlotte. Yay Wonderful Now I assume unless you eat quite late that you've already had Yeah, I had something to eat. We're yeah, it's like teleport now Yeah, yeah, you guys haven't picked up. I don't I bet it hasn't got over to this terrible program What all obsessed with here love island No, it's called love island and it says love island I love it already. Yeah. No So it's basically sort of 14 of the best-looking human beings you've ever seen in your life Just throw it on an island and then they have to couple up or they get dumped off the island Wait a second. I see that nyle aslam quit the show over insecurities about his ears Honestly, it was big last night. There was a big controversy last night Now, isn't there already an island show just like this? No, that's all about surviving. This is like This is all like Whoever I don't know has the biggest perk then you get married at the end of the So what's what's the age range for these uh, beautiful people, yeah like 20 20 Who needs it? I had to live. Well, maybe not the attractive part, but like I had a bunch of roommates and It just sounds like a mess There wasn't an island and none of us were interactive, but it was exactly like love island Speak for yourselves Nerd island it would be good nerd island would be great. I would rather have murder island The last we were talking yesterday about terrace house, which that's that's that's a reality show right there. That's that's my speed That's my speed. Oh, I've already picked a title. Uh, bless the ai down in africa Beautiful beautiful. That's so good I do think we should do a kind of there should be some kind of toka based intro Thank you charlotte because sometimes I feel like my opinions are met with disdain derision But we're that That's not true Hey, I'm kidding. There's Everyone knows that todo Africa is the best song ever recorded everyone knows that I just kind of likes to play devil's advocate sometimes. So I don't think it's bad. In fact, I quite like it. I just All those qualifiers saying the best song ever created. That's all well and as I've said to you before, okay Your opinion is fine if invalid but fine. But what is the best recorded song? So come up with that one Reflections by diana ross Lead me on by florid's nightingale I'm gonna fight your your your quasi 70s bleed over in a new age band with motown Did anyone Did not offer to get his knees out About just you know town's not showing his knees. Oh, no, you don't want to see my knees No I'm just saying that he has to say that for a patron level Oh, that's what charlotte was suggesting is that you know if we get more patrons than last month I'll show my knees which is exactly what we got in yeah, we got into this with the with the um With the whole spider thing like people being like We don't actually want you to do that. You don't want to do it, but we don't want it either It might be the same thing is like no it needs to wear shorts. My knees are as appealing as a tarantula Is what we're saying here Well, that's But that's what I'm saying Um, so when was the last time that's harry any of you Learned that a friend was pregnant because you got invited to their baby shower Because that happened to me today. Oh really? Which is not like offensive or anything. I'm just like Hi What in the heck I'm going on Yeah, because it's like a big six months in which you could have told you Right and I understand like, you know at the beginning You keep it under wraps, you know, you want to make sure everything's cool Totally understand, but like, yeah, we're we're getting near the due date at this point. Just heard about it today Maybe she's put not so much of a thing No A little bit, but it's not so much a thing People are much more like weirded out about it Weirded out about baby showers. Yeah, because they're like, what happens if there's no baby yet Oh, just saying yeah making a big deal, right Well, the the thing now is not really among any of my friends, but The gender reveal party Where like you all go to the baby shower and nobody knows if that's a boy or a girl and there's some like Exciting weight, you know, it's either pink or blue, you know balloons or whatever And you know, I've been to a couple of these where I'm like, I don't know just tell me what the gender is like Or not, I don't really care. Yeah, just you know, that's a luck Why is it such a big celebration? And all the all the balloons are light purple and you're like My mind is like All right, see see this is a real thing. This is a real thing I was reading an article not too long ago about the fact that pink used to be for boys Like in the 19th century And there was some and it was it was it was sort of like colors and and gender weren't very closely related But often pink because it meant rosy healthy ruddy complexion was associated with boys And it wasn't until the early 1900s when and I don't remember the detail some company or something started to push Pink for girls and blue for boys I'm assuming seers Why would seers do it? They used their black and white catalogs to showcase the gender affinity of colors You don't do you know that or you're just guessing. I'm I'm making fun. You're guessing. Okay. All right. I'm making fun I'm not guessing When you're serious roger, that's a That's how I make fun. Tom. I have only one mode serious I'm mad about these twitter cameras Because like this is I'm not happy about this situation. I meant to set on the show This is nonsense Which is what we were talking about how twitter is Giving us live event updates I have enough updates and Push notifications on my phone Well, so okay push notifications. That's a whole other thing I also you know a lot of the twitter stuff I sometimes laugh at because I use a third party app to be bought It's so much of what twitter does. I'm like never use it on the web Never see stuff don't have ads I have a whole different experience. I mean tweets are there But this stuff is like not something that I personally will deal with anytime soon I don't know. I mean Let's say, you know, we use the you know the Example of earthquake, right? Um, which is in california. It happens regularly enough where if I feel like there's an earthquake I go to twitter. No, it's not this is not about like we had a 3.5. This is devastating earthquake in Guatemala Yeah, it's like it kills 5 000 people. We're talking about major world events That's when this thing goes into action. Exactly. But I mean, I think for examples like that. Yeah, not As to your point on it's not so much like, hey, did this happen? Is anyone else talking about this? But if I want to go to twitter to talk about something that just happened Somebody died or somebody wanted a sporting event or there was an earthquake or whatever it was twitter is really fun for that Well fun is relative depends on what the news is but I I like the idea of it being Collated somewhere at the top I just personally I'm like I'm not going to twitter web ever I'm not doing it I don't think this is for either of you This is for the majority of people on twitter who don't post Who really just look at it passively to consume it for news And they're leaning into that and I think it's really smart Uh, it may and probably will annoy a lot of the old old guard like us Because it's like great. I don't want more notifications. You know, the timeline was already kind of weird if I'm using it Normal twitter app But but for the person who just relies on it to see what's going on in the world It's actually a better experience. I think depending on how they implement it We'll see but it could be and and that that's sort of twitter saying We're acknowledging that this is our use case our use case isn't posting and sharing our use case is reading With a limited number of professional Shareers or high quality shares not that they're going to stop people from signing up But people just aren't doing it. So we're going to use it for this Uh and let people use it to comment on the news and and lean into that And you're seeing twitter stock values start to recover as people say, oh, okay um and in fact One of the people in the press conference where they announced this asked like well, what do you call this new project? and they answered twitter Yeah The girl who the the the person who's doing that dianna gave you the garden I met her a couple times. She's the one who asked the question. Yeah, no, no. She was the one who works at twitter. She's okay Um, and she she did uh, she started like she ran a women in journalism group here in the UK That's enough change makes me nervous guys. Yeah, it makes everybody nervous It makes me nervous too, but it's sort of like So I don't watch a lot of cable news However, if something If something really big happens, it's like I might be inclined to like fire up cnn Right, like I can't get it anywhere in my house because I don't have access to that But I can get it online and if there's enough like cnn.com will stream something But most of what you watch in those uh instances these days Is a lot of sort of like the anchors kind of like saying and here's a tweet from someone who was live at the scene right Yeah, mom mom Mom lady for 90, uh, who you know, it has this to say so For twitter to be like, you know Our content is actually what's fueling a lot of the stuff in the early stages of news breaking events particularly Why not keep people from? bouncing off of twitter to find that stuff Coming from here anyway, you'll know if this works for twitter if publishers start complaining That twitter is stealing their revenue By there you go You know like like they do about google because right now publishers see twitter is just a way to like send traffic back to them They don't worry about it But if if this starts to work You'll you'll start to see the news outlets complain like well, you're just why should we break news for you? You're just gonna broadcast it on twitter and steal it Yeah, they're gonna start I think they're all gonna start us trying to be streaming sporting events as well. Yeah Yeah, they're gonna do live video streams as part of this new explorer section amazon bought some The premier league stuff. Yeah Is it exciting? It's all changing that's and that's why I I feel like people keep Either ignoring or forgetting or just not not realizing That all of this consolidation in media Is caused by amazon facebook google the fact that those companies are so huge and taking all the advertising revenue That's that's what's causing disney to want to buy fox. That's why comcast is trying to outbid them It's why AT&T wants to buy time warner because they're scrambling to compete in that arena with these Titans now, you know, those of us who've been covering tech for a long time. It's sometimes hard to wrap your head It's like it's not little, you know, serge and larry in the garage in stanford It's one of the five most valuable companies in the world Yeah Yep, yeah, it's true It is true Yeah, and now I'm finding out all about love island on twitter Ha ha ha Love island. What is the name of the show that I'm thinking of? I there's something kicking around in my head too. There was a it was a short-lived reality show in the u.s Where they put singles. Yeah, it was called like passion island or that's not it To be fair all reality shows take place on an island like 70 of them take place because they can't leave without your help Yeah, well, it just it makes it tropical and yeah makes it know what it is is it's a it's a prison But it's a nice prison Life is a prison roger. I mean How to how to watch love island in the u.s in australia It's all gonna be okay I mean now that i'm done with the um Jersey shore reunion Temptation island That's what it was. Oh, yeah, okay, only three seasons now. I remember so temptation island was great So it was like you had couples everybody's, you know, beautiful and you know, very very fit um, they all go to the island and then it's like they all sort of just Break up and date each other Because you want to be a movie star It's your it's your big toe into the world One of those things where it's like, you know, and they do this sort of like, you know The thing beforehand where it's like ron and mary have been in love for many years You know, and it's like we've got the montage of everything. It's like now they're going to temptation island We're just getting all turns out ron likes, you know Carry better than mary. Oh dear Very bad Well, we're going to carry on the conversation, uh for the patrons, uh, but we're going to say goodbye to the live video and the Just the video folks live or otherwise. Uh, thanks for watching everybody Bye Bye everybody see you tomorrow