 Hi, so tell us your name and what country you're calling from. I'm calling from Afghanistan. Afghanistan. You're our second caller today from Afghanistan. Thanks for calling. Oh, really? You got another one. Yes. Where in Afghanistan are you calling from? Kabul. Kabul. So you have a question for us, as we understand. Yes, we've got some ideas, but it would be very kind of you to explain about elder and older. Right. And then I'm older than my... It's funny, elder is usually used, it seems like it's used commonly in the plural. So when you talk about your elders, meaning older people, more respected, we talk about, you know, minding your elders. Right. And they tend to be a lot older, like maybe grandparents. Right. So the elders, the elders in the family or in the community. But we also use elders another way and that is in the church. Some religions use that term as the people who run the church, like the governing body of the church or the elders. The elders. And then if you have three siblings, let's say three brothers, three sisters, you would go, this person is five years old. This person is 10 years old. This person is 20 years old. This person is the eldest. That's where we still commonly, if you want to be to use, you know, the correct way, if you've got three or more people, the person who is oldest can also be called the eldest among them. So remember, how many brothers and sisters do you have? And I love them so much. Oh, wait. So wait. Okay. So you're one of eight children. If I did my math correctly, is that right? Seven. Oh, one of, okay. One of seven. I miss Canada. Yeah, I say we are five brothers. Who's the, are you the youngest or the eldest or the oldest? I am the eldest. You're the eldest. Excellent. Oh, how old are you? I can use this, but what do you think? What do you think? Um, so let's count down though. You have five, you have seven. So you have to be at least 14. No, I think you're in your 20s. Yeah, you look, I would say about 25, maybe. That's a good guess. Are you 25? 25? Wow. Wow. You need to produce, you need to produce your, your soap that you use on your face and sell it in America. Your secret to, uh, yeah, you look. It's wonderful. Oh, don't apologize. It's great. What, what, what do you do? Oh, huh? Do you have another, go ahead. Do you have another question or, or about English? Yes. The second question was, does it have any other meaning except the one you just explained? The one where it can refer to age? Some, some words, some words can have different meanings and different sentences. Right. So I was wondering whether the fields that are in older are used in different sentences? The difference, the different ways are with age that we mentioned and then also with the church. There's one other way that elder is used in a sentence and that's an elder berry. Have you ever heard of that fruit? Yeah, elder berry. It grows on a tree and that's a portion of a word, but I don't know anywhere else that it's used. I'm trying to think like the, the, uh, um, the, uh, you can use it in, I think, what's it called, like the comparative sense where if you want to sound fancy, you can say, well, you know, uh, the, the elder of the two, I guess, or I thought, yeah, eldest is of three elder of the two. If you have two people, then you can compare their ages and say, um, you know, this person is the elder of the two people. But that's kind of a, that's not common. That's not common. Yeah. The common use is really for older people. You know, mind your elders, which is what Avi said. And my elderly grandparents or the elders of the church, those are the most common. And it's interesting because if you use a term like elderly, like Caroline just said, you have to be careful about not, um, insulting people because that term is, you know, someone might not consider themselves elderly and might not appreciate being described as, as elderly. And so it's, um, you have to be, you know, we, we will sometimes talk about, we talk about senior citizens is another term, but also just older people. We sort of, I think in polite conversation, if you talk about older people, you're hopefully people will understand you mean could be elderly, could be senior citizens, but that it's people more advanced of advanced age. And in this country, it seems that a lot of people, like I know when I was growing up, if you were in your fifties or sixties, I considered that very old. Now people in this country in their fifties and sixties are very lively, very energetic. They're not considered old anymore. So it depends on the culture to where you are. Yeah, good point. You would not be elder. I have only the right of asking only one question. Oh, no, you ask another question. Please. Let's see. We love questions. Okay, on what I'm asking, but still I want the exact answer. That's why I want to take your time. Sure. Do you hear me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm confused. For example, say, what kind of movie, what sort of movie? I mean, what these are very good questions. And, and, and it's funny because to find the fourth one. This is the fourth one I just forgot. Maybe type type. Yeah. So sort of type of kind of. You take one. I'll take another. Go ahead. Well, sort of to me, when I hear sort of, well, I think the first answer is you said you wanted to know the logic about using these. And I think the problem is there's not necessarily a logic so much as like sort of is in some cases more casual or more informal. So, you know, this, this, this phone here is sort of new, you know, or it's sort of good. It's not as strong. You know, it's, we would say this phone is. This is one of these. Yeah. Caroline's phone. Yeah, sort of I tend to use personally more in less formal uses. But even less formal, I think is kind of because that's more a feeling. I kind of feel sick today. I kind of like this person. I, it's almost an internal feeling. I kind of. And both of those I wouldn't use in formal English. I would use when I'm talking to Avi. I would use when I'm talking to you, a friend. Good. Yes. Someone might, my peer, I probably wouldn't use it in a, in a professional context. I wouldn't put it in my TV stories. And I wouldn't say it to professor at school. Well, there's a famous jazz album, wasn't it? The kind of blue, Miles Davis. Oh, yes. The, the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Caroline makes an excellent point, which is I think kind of also is less formal, maybe more spoken English. Unless you were saying this phone is a kind of smart phone, then you could then you can use that formally. Different definition there. Yes. If you, if you say it that way. Even better, though, is type or type. This, this phone is a type. You could say type. You could say an apple is a kind of fruit. But type is. But you wouldn't say an apple is maybe it's maybe a sort of fruit, but I don't think many people say that. But you would say this apple is sort of old and doesn't taste very good. Yeah. See, you wouldn't say a sort of, you would say this apple is sort of old. You're asking about words that when you, I think, grow up with the language as your first language, you use the correct way to use these words. And there's nothing that you look up in a book. It's just how you hear people talk and how I think the word is colloquialism. It's how the English is used in a country. So these are great questions, great questions. And type of is more, you know, a category, a bus is a type of transportation. Yeah, where it's where you're, you're referring, as Carolyn said, to a category. A bus is a type of transportation. Probably I'd say that I might not say a bus is a kind of transportation. Maybe not. I'm not so sure.