 Yeah, we on boss talk one-on-one. Yeah, we gonna talk. We're gonna have fun. We'll be on fire. We'll be lately It's a unique husband. Check it. Check it. Check it. It's a unique house is your boy. You see yo And I'm here with the lovely amazing official. Miss Jamaica. What's going on wait? Hey man say man we down here in New Orleans man make sure you got like and subscribe to our channel man Man, we down here with Kings. We down here in New Orleans where culture is thick Y'all don't understand man. What's going on right now, man? We just blessed to be here This is our second time down here in New Orleans God made the God did this got us here, man indeed. We in the building with Konto man What's going on Konto? Right there we go now we now we cooking man. We here with Konto man. You know, I'm saying man that name man It even that name. Oh, yeah, I know you got a lot of black from that name Is that where your mama named you? I gotta make sure 1977 the year the movie came out. That's the year she decided to switch my name from my pops name to She had named you your pops first. No, that was the intentions But I was born in February of 77 the same month the movie came out That's when she made a decision. She switched over and you were getting teased like he was asking have you ever got Indeed a lot a lot. Did you ever go to your mama said mama? Why did you name me? I sit down front of TV every year every black history month that She made me watch it. She would never explain it to me. She would just sit me down. Let me watch it, you know I mean I never explained it never explained it to me What did you get from it off in the long run in the beginning the same question you ask why? Why you name me? You don't say after that nature. Yeah, right. Oh I really don't understand the film at the time and when did you get it? Oh? Maybe all my first juvenile jokes. How are you? Well, my first you're not just probably 13 13 How did you get it? What happened? Why you got it? Oh? a restful Possession of a stolen car or pistol and no, and then why did it you get the fact that okay? This is why okay. I had a chance to actually read the book and I actually seen the trail of the book instead of the movie. Is it better? Yes, it's better I mean, I don't necessarily know if everything in the book is actually facts Yeah, it's better. It's better. It's deeper. You know, I mean you get the contents of the religious parts of it Okay, the culture part. Yes. Yes, so that kind of effect me even more I appreciate it for indeed resting peace to my mom's rest in peace So you were raised by your mom and your daddy well, I was raised by my mom's for a while Then my grandma my grandmother took over why what happened to your mom? Well, my mom's uh, she was awesome. She was okay. I mean Pretty good woman, but she still has to be no hand up. She had to do what she got to do Indeed indeed how old were you when you when your grandmother took over at least nine nine ten nine ten years old only child Okay, so you spoiled Grant and especially when grandma raised you know how grandma this be doing indeed my mother was her youngest daughter out of five So, um Tell me something that you learned from your mom and it also tell me something that you learned from your grandma That's stuck with you over the years. Well, the biggest thing that I live off now is take nothing for granted. Here it Take nothing for granted. You know, I mean, I Was raised pretty you know in a pretty fair situation until you know certain things start to happen in my family with my mom's husband So, uh, that kind of sent me through a little tizzy. I was all I would say I was off my rocker, you know You were like you wanted your mama there all the time and stuff like that because your mama's always the moms Yeah, my grandmother. She was awesome. But you know, there was nobody not your mom. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, uh With that being said, that's why I kind of went running off the path, you know the path that I was on Because I was pretty focused as a kid when I was with my mom's where was your dad doing all of this? In and out of prison, you know, you know, he probably either been in and out of prison or either he was just Landlord, we had good communication, you know, but uh, he wasn't with mom. So I wouldn't fully accept him He couldn't tell you none. Like you're not right here. You can't discipline me. You can't do nothing Yeah, yeah, because we even when I respected him highly though. You respected him highly. Yes, indeed Because you know how it's so funny because I know a lot of men who sit that seat and They love their mom. It's always a mom who always end up being the person who's taking care of them daddy somewhere around But it's always the mom who's taking care of them But there's always a point in time somewhere in their life where The son is too much to handle because you know a man is a boy becomes a man and like I can't deal with you You know, you try we arguing. I just can't handle you. They always try to call daddy to deal with the son But as much as you love mom and you respect mom Y'all still get into it. You know what I mean? And that's the thing like me being a mom I'm like You want you only mean the best for your kids. You want your kids to do right You try to raise them as best as you can but you can't be there all the time. You can't hold I always said my kids life won't teach you stuff that I can't You know what I mean? Because no matter how much you tell them tell them tell them As a child, I know that there's a lot of things that you did just like you say you didn't get till you got older And what I realized about that as a parent It's our job to tell you to constantly tell you don't worry if you you're gonna do it But just tell you instead because when god is ready your ears will be open to receive it You understand what I mean? So when we love somebody we want you to do it right then and there Because we we know that it's good for you But it's hard to this time. It doesn't work out that way. No, no So what did your grandma tell you that helped you? My grandmother? She like I said, she was a beautiful woman. Uh She kept me well, you know, I'm saying she was uh back born of a family. Um, she passed as well, but uh Grand was like, you know, she just she just you know, always was there for me, you know I mean always took care of me nice, you know took care of things I need to handle in my life mentally. She was Good for my condition my conditioning in my head and mentally because I really want to be with my mom, you know, but uh Streets deal took over streets took over at some point See the reason why I love to ask all these questions because a lot of times when people do crime or do certain things We, you know, people get mad at a person for doing these things But don't realize that trauma in their past is what caused them to do certain things and lead them up to where they're at You know what I mean? Because um, we had a little snoop mom who came on the show And she was they had a little program that they that they went through where because her son got killed And they had a program where they brought all the moms who lost their sons Into our room and they faced people not the murderer of their son or their kids, but People who actually killed people and you know reform came out And they talked about their childhood where some of them was either sexually abused or Went through different things and that's what caused them to be on this path. So The moms tend to end up having empathy Indeed for you know, although their their kids were lost because of you know But you really don't know what that person was going through Exactly why they become the person who they are. You know what I mean? So that's why I like to go back into your history to see what you had to go through Well, in that in that aspect, I would say well I just recently found out before I was released from angola that I was diagnosed with uh anxiety issues But I mean I really didn't realize that I've been having that since a kid. You know what I'm saying? I never knew that that's why when I kind of like Go off. I can't calm down I'm like literally black out And I couldn't calm down couldn't calm down couldn't calm down But I just realized that as you know, my all my way out Wow, you know, I'm then I got diagnosed with anxiety attack That's what that is because I hear some people say I get so mad that I black out and I don't I don't I can't tell you What just happened? So is that what that is? Well, I've never been to the point where I couldn't tell you exactly what took place But I know I can't calm down. You can't calm down and that's anxiety. Yes. Yes. Wow And I think that's caused by a lot of black families don't take their kids to especially Doctors I'm not talking just physical doctors, but when they think about mental Because a lot of parents feel like you're not going to label my child crazy. Exactly Especially in school. You know what I mean? They don't want a label come over their kids, but they're not realizing that If it's a constant thing that's Happening you can get right and you can get your child, you know help Whether counseling or medicine or anything like that. Do you have to be a medicine now or are you just No, well, I refuse to take any type of psych meds while I was locked up You know what I'm saying? I mean just don't put me on top and be kind of, you know Just channeling my focus when I'm in a situation or certain situations. I know I can't handle You know, I just shy away from my poor myself back from them because I know more. I entertain it You know, I'm gonna take it. It's it's awareness is the first thing Is knowing what you have and then moving on from there and then, you know Day and age that we're in now You can find out anything on social media or on youtube so you can always find out calming situation how to So that can be your doctor, right? There's there there are herbal remedies that you can take people drink teas to calm themselves down You know stuff like that, but so tell me about a time Because I know you the first time you got in trouble. How old were you? Well, really, I was the first time I got in trouble while my first juvenile juice. I was 13 13 13. Yeah, but uh, I had a couple of and what happened at 13 Uh possession of a stolen vehicle in a pistol pistol side just basically a jarring ride. Okay Did you finish high school? No, no, no, I was uh A time I was released from Scotland in juvenile juice. I was I mean, it wasn't too long before I was right back in on this adult charge For something that uh, I had no idea. And how old were you when you went in for this adult charge 17 17 and tell me what happened Oh, literally we was in the altercation in my neighborhood, which is the higher field housing project We had altercation in that neighborhood at our dj with small neighborhood friends or whatever and um doing all Why this was taking place something else was taking place in the desire housing project Which is like five and a half miles away from our housing project. Okay, uh, I can't necessarily explain to you What took place in the desire? What a life was taken. Okay in that situation that life that was taken they give it Uh charge to me and my two co-defendants. Wow saying that we committed the crime and uh, but you weren't there At all. In fact, we was on the back of a cop car. We uh, thank god. We got stopped in the traffic stop Right during the um proceedings of this murder if it wasn't for the proceedings of this murder, uh I mean I was being in a traffic stop during the proceedings of this murder. I probably wouldn't be talking to you all the day Yeah, because then if it was It's a law enforcement officer who was there so they can't say he's lying to help you If it was a friend it'd be like, well, he lying. He'd you know, how they be doing Well, we did have an officer that ought to actually made the traffic stop He literally told him that our traffic stop was Intentionally a traffic stop. Oh, it didn't have anything to do with the murder. Okay But they had officers in the fifth district that was saying that we was actually a sentence involved in the crime Five and a half miles away and the time okay So what time did the stop happen and what time did that crime happen? Okay, well the crime happened at nine like exactly like 9 22 That was when the first calls came in about the crime shots being fired. Okay all and then your stop happened at What time no later than 90 9 27 9 30 We was in a traffic stop. Yeah, you couldn't make it that far that in that short of a time Okay, uh, our name was being um, well one of my co-defense name was being broadcast over the radio While we was in the traffic stop and it was saying that we was fleeing from a scene In the desire housing project headed towards the interstate So was it somebody that looked like y'all that they saw that they thought it was y'all? No, no, no, no This was because i'm like, why did they where did they get y'all's name from this? This was not a mistake in identity This wasn't this was this but who told him the name it was the cops They just came up with y'all names cops literally give the names up To the actual victim who was in the car and he actually Mentioned our names to them. They have documents. This is public records. Do you know which police officer? Told them this name Lynn Davis Did he have something against y'all? Um, that's the part that i'm confused about Yeah, because i'm like if you had your name on the tip of his tongue like that, you know, yes Yes, so um, if it was it was through something that was happening in the streets Did you know him personally? Not at all Did you ever have any running with him before? Not at all not with him personally not not that i could recall I didn't have a few run-ins with cops, but uh, not that i could recall actually or your or your friend Did your friend have any run-ins with him? Not that we can recall. Okay. Yes By him working in the fifth district when we are the first different first district We don't too much encounter fifth district cops So for that situation to go like that. I mean, I don't know how I played out on how the narrative was drawing up Yeah, but he was because that's just crazy that he just came up with you know Y'all's name picked y'all name knew your names to say So were there witnesses at that? location about this is that The feds had the whole thing tap Okay, this was what a shooting was yet the whole thing everything It was under federal investigation for operation shadow shield, which they was investigating a lot of crooked cops That was working under the branch or lend Davis or whatnot and all They actually had everything on record. They actually knew that we didn't commit the crime But that has filmed footage Or just I really don't know the footage footage, but I know they had audio for you. Okay. I know they had audio or Maybe a few things from their cell phones because this is how they used to communicate Right phones was given to them by the feds and they literally didn't know that they had phones from the feds at the time So this is how a lot of the information was being tapped Okay, so This was highly publicized Soldier slim mentions it in a song it mentioned you guys in a song How does that were what time period was this? Well, so slim I'm running to so slim probably made around 96 He was incarcerated with me in Orleans parish. We was incarcerated for this charge 94 So we actually come through on the charge while we was on till already Wow, so uh, how was he just just dealing with him? Oh, slim, slim, slim straight, bro You know, I mean, I know a lot of people say this that not all you know, the street gangster. Shit. He's a good dude, bro Literally, he's a good guy. Just just firm, right gonna stand firm on what he believe in, you know, so Any matter, it was a pretty good people, you know, we fucked around with cheddar Tell me something that he did that because you know, a lot of people say he was good But I love to hear a story of something that he did that, you know, Stuck out. Well, we're stuck out. Man, him had a weird encounter for those that was in the Paris Degro I was full or what about And he come on until he didn't want to do any rapping because he's not a like rapper rapper for just to be rapping. Yeah, but me being from downtown I wanted to hear something, you know, I had them purchase music from him before You know, I was incarcerated. I didn't bought some of his albums and shit. So, you know, I wasn't feeling him not rapping, you know, but you mean you're not rapping and you're older than he is. Well, yeah, so I'm round the same age Round the same age. Okay. Yeah. So I wasn't feeling that So I'm like, you know, somebody gets niggas some beats You're gonna rap in this one Yeah, God bless the day, but you know real shit, you know, you're gonna rap, but you're gonna run something They gotta spend, you know I'm a fan. I ride with you. Yeah, you know, so he kind of respected approach. It wasn't like he cowered out and did Right, you know, he respected didn't come at him like that, you know, so you got out from that point on you got out Really? Yeah, you rock the till so you rock the till that's what he do because you guys locked up like this is a freedom This is a sense of freedom. Oh shit. Yeah, this is all shit, man. Yeah, don't come in here being caged and Like we can't you know, like we can't just be free and hero the same way in the world Yes, then he was that nigga. He was the artist at the time, you know, so I definitely need to hear that How was he because you know how a lot of time when we listen to somebody on the records They sound one way, but when you hear them in person, they sound a different way No, that's slim. That's slim. He sounded the same way both ways language when you talk when you rap It's all slim. Slim. His shit don't change. Don't change. His shit don't change So when he when he wrapped uh during that time was this before then after he came home That's when he put your name in that song. Yeah. Well, he had uh Little incident. Well, I don't necessarily necessarily think my name would have made this song or my co-defendants would have made this song Due to the fact we from downtown Slim is an uptown no, yeah all the way through all the way through. He's an uptown You can respect real niggas, but you know, he's all about his uptown thing Oh, he's not the one that just really be boasting about dudes from downtown. Yeah uh Him and uh guy of my neighborhood Which i'm real close to is crazy. Okay, one of the five old full boys, uh They had their little encounter So with them having their encounter and many of them have already had met each other and him living on until me You know, he just had to Fix that in a manner where you know, okay. I'm one with your project, bro But at the same time, I know the real ones out there, you know, just that the third Yeah, but at the same time, you know Crazy, not no chump either. He just He's a brain. Yeah, not a move, bro. He's smart. He's a brain. So he just stay a clear the shit, bro You know, he's not a stat away. He's not an idiot You know, so uh He was smart enough not to take that walk Wow, just a special shout out to my daughter who just sent me uh her her straight a's And she 95 200 and uh, she in the 12th grade and uh, she won her 300 dollars I told her any Anything that she go up over 95 in a subject. She get an extra hundred dollars. So she just hit me up We about to send her that 300. She said she said send me that 300 now Send her that 300 Yeah, senator three, I'm like dang she said grades her and she was she couldn't wait on that Yeah, senator 300 gonna give her money. Uh, she deserve it. Congratulations. That's hard, man Congratulations Sorry about that Kids first, man. Yeah, man. So go going back into the story But by soldier slim like when you think about how the city embraced him after all of this Um, you seen that coming. They should yes. Yes. He's the one man. He's the one I mean if you you needed the culture Of the city There's nobody that could really just wrap the whole culture of the city the mentality Of the city and rap with slim at that time, you know When you think about slim that day when you you heard about when he got killed in front of his home, uh, Where were you you were locked up? Of course during that time, but what what ran across your mind? That was heartbreaking, but because it's hard to break but you can almost see it, you know I'm saying the way slim live, you know, I'm saying, I mean, you know, you don't wish that on him But you know, I mean he was kind of erratic and during that time, bro You know, I'm saying the city really didn't respect rappers like that So slim was the only one that kind of navigated through that shit being a street nigga and a rapper at the same time The rest of the rappers we would just look at him as how could you say that the city didn't respect rappers when you had bird man from down here I'm just giving you the questions. You had bird man from down here. You had mouse api You had no limit. You had all these guys down here How could you say that the city didn't respect them when they had uplifted them? Okay? Well If you notice when bird man first come out during his mostly all his raps He consistently tell you that I ain't a rabble They all my gangsta Yeah, he did not want the rapper stigma He don't want a rabble stigma He won't wrap him money, but he don't want to wrap a stick That's that rabble, you know, I mean generations as it's going along. I mean we embrace it now, but during those times And uh, Rapples was characters Rapples with characters slim was one of the ones that made the exception around the time. Yeah Wow, so when you because being that you were you you know that era when bird man them first came out with uh Cash money and I'm gonna ask about p2, but you was out using the streets, right? Yes What what was something to stick out about that era for you when when bird man them came Because I know you hear the fact that he a gangster y'all down here y'all live He he actually from where is he from he's from uptown He is uptown just put it that way You move across the board uptown Okay, so When you see him and that whole movement, what does that how does that hit you like proud of it's beautiful Yeah, very beautiful man, you know only thing I don't like is not seeing him and p p hook up They never did hook up didn't that's about the you know, I mean I understand the situation the street situation You know, I don't want to go into details of that with the two neighborhoods What man that that that that would be so uplifting that would have been a big city That's even right now even what right now today If they came together them guys to see if calio came together with uptown is what you're saying I know if they could see masterpiece And baby together Do you think calio in uptown right? Well, that's calio and magnolia magnolia But do you think that there might ever be a time that they can put their differences aside to just do it for the city To bring the city together Well, me knowing the mentality of guys from New Orleans It's a hard rock that's a hard rock because I mean it's a lot of lives lost and a lot of things went on between You know different projects that you know wouldn't allow them to to really just sit out and overlook all that shit So, you know, but it would be a healing because you know, even like I gotta put it I gotta put it right back to the mode three yellow BZ from Dallas You know, we we can't say The fact of the matter is The recipe is still here and baby's still here. They're both still living You know, so I can't really just always go back and talk about yellow BZ and multicomotory is gone But I so wish that they could have put their differences Aside and had came together Just to do it for the city. You know what I mean? Because it would have it would have stopped a lot of foolishness Yes, but when you look at uh mouse to pee and when you look at bird man, they KL came on the show KL see he was telling me that He had them and soldier slim in his place Wrapping to body body freestyling to it So there was a time when they could be in the same room and embrace each other as before the fame took off I'm telling you. This is something he spoke of on my show So that right there tells me that that before the you know, some shun cotton said shout out Say she shun cotton. He said you never know nobody till they get money. Mm-hmm. Is that true? Well, I mean, it's I mean, I can't speak for those guys and not not just just them but people in general Yeah, because it's cuz that that changes a lot and I mean in the world is definitely bro Because it's it's rough down there real talk. I mean, there's not money at all On that that level, you know, I'm saying so for them to win like that to win that big I mean, you know, you would have to distance yourself for me motherfuckers will say well, excuse my language. They would Say peace, uh, baby or whatnot scary leader state or whatever they came, you know It's about the smartest thing they could ever did Was lead the state? I mean this state cheers to up man for real if they could put me in prison at 17 years old For a person I've never seen in my life if you could do that to a kid three kids I mean, what's what's the chance of abing, you know stunts? Lassing with all that money in this state. What where were you locked up at again? Angle all these parish hunts. So you was locked up with mac Yeah, well, I went through hunts mac was on on the other side when I went, okay So you never did time never ran into him but y'all were on the same unit at time And and and because he's another case that I look at down here I look at the way you guys go through this system and I never hear good things about this system That's why when I come through here, I come through here Indeed And I'm coming up out of here because it's just like you never hear good things about What it yields to deal with that system that judicial system Compared to the stories I hear just with the young man that was just on here It's just crazy that you just you it's justice ever really served down here No, not that I know of not that at all not even in my situation with me just coming home You know, I mean, uh, I appreciate the fact that um judge and uh head district attorney my judge, um Found it in a heart to uh overlook everything that the material I was before and um Rendered the decision she came with but uh at the same time and it just threw me back out here I mean after 28 and a half years, you know, I'm back out in the streets The city's the murder capital again. Like I said when I went in it was the murder capital Back out here, you know, the little programs they have to try to help fund individuals You know, it's better than it was What actually bro does really know, you know, no assistance was bro. You just tossed me out in this world, bro You know, I'm saying I got a fin for myself. I got a festival. I mean, I got to feed myself You know I'm saying a transportation things of that nature. I mean and uh, I don't see no compensation for it I don't see where they gonna Where they gonna find the actual bag the compensators for it I mean they got several guys that came out before me that won legal suits Long suits and things and they still haven't received any money. So this shit is consistently being, you know You got mad within the last five six years. You probably had like 27 guys come home. That was falsely accused I don't you yeah, I just And I don't I don't like hearing the stories, but I love seeing you home Indeed, you know what I'm saying? You look like me. So I love seeing you home I I because some people die in that place. Indeed. You was you was laying by side people that never coming home Indeed, indeed, you know, uh, what's the lot I'm dying to who's the most Person that you've seen that you ever talked to that had the most time when you was down like dang You got three life sentences. Oh, well one of my partners or wine Wine had five life sentences five life How was wine to uh, that penalties and five life sentence, you know, um, he just got come off that road You know I'm saying he hope that was overturned come off that road. He's still sitting with five life sentences So how was the conversation? How was this temperature when you would talk to him real humble, man? I mean Real talk, I mean, but it's for like damn to everybody that went in angola Due to the laws of me when you get a natural life sentence in angola, that's what they meant literally they should just start No coming around with certain people getting a little play but man We're talking about guys laying next to you 50 years on the books 40 years on the books I'm talking about literally ain't going nowhere. Ain't got no chance of going home or nothing So that's that's crazy me going in at the age I went in 17 17. Yes Yes, it was a harsh and well, how old was you when you got out? Oh 45 17 to 45 for God never seen in my life For a guy you've never seen in your life If his mother is watching this if his sister is watching this once again I'm sorry for your loss. Like I said, I've never seen your kid in my life and the case now proves that Wow so For a case like that when you would come up for parole or But you know when you would come up say they thought when you was about to get out Or if it was any chance of you getting out were they campaigning against you there was no parole all in reason I got lucky and had parole eligibility because I was a juvenile Due to me being a juvenile I had Parole eligibility came around like 20 2018 for me, you know, so all with that being said I didn't want to all go to parole board because I understood my lawyer explained to me that I would have to you know Yes, you're gonna have to admit guilt man. That's no way in the world. That's no way in the world not even go on And I'm knowing I've been down for a while. That's what you were talking about Yeah, but you know how many people do that just because they want to go home to see their kids Yes, I don't watch did you have kids man. Yes. I have one daughter. Um before you went in Yes, she was three months when I went when I got incarcerated. Yes, how did that feel being away from her? That's the worst, you know, I just can't visit. Yeah, I didn't guess regular regular until she went into the service You know, she went to houston college right now. She's still out there in houston. I just come from out there seeing her So, you know, I had my first grand grand kid. I seen on your on your page. Yes. Yes. Yes mother guy, bruh. So, uh Wow Congrats man. I appreciate that because one thing I always would say, um, it's hard it's hard for person to um Raise their child from behind prison doors because it's like I heard some people say You know, you can try to tell them but when they're out here They're gonna do what they want to do anyway You know what I mean? But a girl is different though girls are different than boys though girls are a little bit easier to me Yeah, well, um, um men, you know, just feel the need to have their own independence That's just in in us, you know, not saying women not, you know But men just like to be out on their own and be responsible, you know And so at certain ages you really got to lock in on them. You got to see where they're meant to at You know, I'm saying give them space but at the same time you got to be real strict about, you know kids, man, because uh Take anything for granted, but it definitely happened. True Tell me about your relationship with boss b. Oh boss beat man. That's that like I say I always say this here about this guy, bro, you know He's one of the smoothest guys I ever met Next to this guy, you know saying but uh, he's one of the smoothest guys I ever met, bro He's real laid back. He's It's law, you know, if you boss fuck with you Fuck with you On boss, that's hard to find as he's not the chatterbox type. He's not, you know Off runoff at the mouth too much. I mean straight with the guys he deal with. He's he's one hundred with it Well, I gotta ask you about, uh Gangster Terrence Williams. He out here on the internet man and he Hey, hey, everybody see what's going on. Uh boosie has some real harsh words to say about Telling on somebody who you know And and I'm I'm just trying to understand you were locked up with this guy And with boosie as well So he's he said boosie was in protective custody when he was in angola. Is that true? Well, I heard that man the guy was the guy the situation got boosie was in From my understanding. He was in the cab with me at one time Boosie had money when he come to jail Simple as that. He had money when he come to jail I mean and all the little situation with angola by our old population and the way the prison is being ran It's open. It's wide open. It's not a locked down prison So I'm talking about is very wide open. It's not like any other prison on the inside So it's a lot of movement a lot of movement So um with his money, they knew he could have kind of dictated a lot of shit in prison So um They held him in the cells for a while. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So he went through everything he had to to get out the cell to notice for a fact He was literally trying to come in population He made it out But they sent him to a camp that wasn't really known for you know It was like, you know Close to a trustee camp wasn't no public. I mean it was population, but it wasn't no, uh Uh PC and no shit like that Yeah, he came out. He come out. Wow. So so you how was the temperature when he was there people just knew he Yeah, well, I mean, you know, like I said, um And angola, it's not to take no credit for them guys, you know what I'm saying, but Rappers don't they don't actually move pieces in angola like that, you know what I'm saying Angola man, you really got to put your work in to be respected in that he not Just come to jail and because you you know and you take over shit It didn't work like that. You know what I'm saying? So it would give me a pretty good guy Wow, I just I look at you know when he was locked up and then he went into a I think he went in for A 18 month stint. I want to say it's been a while But then he ended up had kids they charged him for murder while he was doing this time And then they they start, you know, they tried him for murder They start building cases on him. You thought he was just going for This period of time and then coming home, but it ended up being somewhere. They tried to shift it And then he he winds up on death row And that's at angola And that's what and you were there during that time That's crazy and Terrence was there during that time. No, well gangster. I was in paris with gangster Okay, so he wasn't there. He wasn't even there during that time Gangster didn't come to Angola Gangster never been to Angola. So how do he know what kind of time boost he was in and what what type of temperature he was on? Well, I mean because of his you know, his street ties, you know, okay There's a lot of guys that he dealt with on the inside I'm a guy that you know, I used to deal with him heavy too, you know, so It's easy for him to find out things at that point, you know, I mean right now I don't know if the guys actually, you know Putting them in people business like that right now, but uh At that time, bro, you know, he definitely knew a lot of guys inside of prison But with with the way that he came home I mean because we just talked about how you would do certain things To to to jeopardize who you are indeed, but he comes home On a step where he had spoke on some people but they just happened to be dead How I mean, is this something that would you is this something you would have done? No, no, no, no, I actually had a situation like that with this case with my case You know, I'm not taking it or throwing any jabs at him, you know what I'm saying, but uh same time That's not something I would have done, you know what I'm saying, uh It's not the way it go man They got other people families who got to put up with that hurt At that shame that you're throwing in family, you know what I'm saying now If certain guys in the game, but he put so much work in the game You know when he over I'm talking about they maxed out in the game, bro You know, I mean some some guys catch that flag, bro because you know people look at him as Scumbags even though there's somebody kids or whatnot Motherfuckers will throw charges on them, you know, they did so they throw it on them It won't look any different from all the other charges. Yeah So um And that was his case Yeah, and I get it because I just say you know what you being locked up with him and seeing it Just a close. It's a it hits home. You know what I mean? Where where you definitely was seeing things happen and you seen he was released before you Who gangsta? Yes, he was he was And you remember when he came home. Yes Was it a thing where people were talking about the way he came home? Yes. Yes. Yes Is that something because he could he have not just said nothing about it? It would have been cool or they were gonna find out man. Well, either way go man. I mean gangsta know he know the streets Period, you know straight through and through his decisions was his decision. And I mean, hey man gangsta like, um Gangsta don't give a fuck He really don't you don't I mean it fucks with him a little bit because I can imagine that he loved the reputation he had You know I'm saying, I mean he said he made his transition that he's not in the street any longer I would hope that's the fact You know, I would hope that's the fact, you know that he's not in the street any longer, but uh Ain't gonna give a fuck. Nobody said about him Wow, he's been like this since a kid. We did juvenile joseph together and stoutland and everything. So I've been on him You know what I'm saying that shit don't mean nothing to him. He loved the entertainment. Mm-hmm. That's his shit He loved it. He loved it. That's his shit He and that's something I'm I just look at how How, you know, like you the way you done it It wasn't right the way you got, you know done, you know that, you know But to hold it down and just stay true to who you are I think it says a lot about your character. Yes. Yes. That's real. That's 100. That's all I could say That meant something to me. Yeah, and me something to the streets. Excuse me, but It's up to me, you know when it's about me, bro, you know, I mean Conscious very conscious of the things I do, but you know what I'm saying. Wow. Did you know sterling? Well, I knew him but not personally. I go from seeing him. Wow, you know, I know if they I know if they hold Little crew I was on the streets when it was moving around, you know, so I knew um, you know, stone I was locked up with him Scotland. All of us was locked up. Yeah I was here by master Pete brother I never heard stories. So Kevin Miller back when he was, you know, they were young I never heard. I guess it was before they tied. Yeah They had to be very young because when I heard him rap about him Even when we would when I was listening to Pete early on Because Pete really was for me the first one that came, you know, I mean, uh Out from these parts, but he was in LA He was in california And it was like a big deal for me when I heard ice cream and all that his run was ridiculous And and and that hustle is undeniable, you know, I mean and and he changed a lot of people lives And and I think about it because a lot of people talk about the birdmans in the masterpiece I have to say all the people that were connected to them had had great runs and great lives No matter how you look at Yeah, you can't they didn't I love it And and and Kevin Miller was was with the Tuesday crew Okay, I didn't know that But at the end of the day, I just I always think about how the music moved down. I always love Louisiana, bro I'm a I ain't gonna lie. I said all the time people from Louisiana anything to do with Louisiana I just I love it. You know what I'm saying? Because I was born five miles from Louisiana. I could have been almost over here I grew up coming over that state line Jay murk, uh, yeah, I'm supporting that guy Okay, yeah, I'm supporting shawty shawty fresh out of the pen with me. You know what I'm saying He was in the pen with me. That's one of the young boys, bro You know, I kind of took a liking to when he was on like, you know, I'm saying so I definitely won't see him win, bro. You know, he's been working on his craft. He deserves, you know He deserves his running. He's gonna get it. He's gonna get it. Oh, he's gonna get it Man, you don't get it when I sit in on him, you know, the manager friend is doing what he gotta do But they work it you gotta represent people in the box. Wow, man. How can people get a hold to you or how can people Uh link with you, you know, people just want to even donate even rock with you. You probably have a cash out Yeah, that cash out everything cuz we need to start moving on helping our people, man Well, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. Oh Right now I'm really about to take down everything I have. Wow And I have to relay everything back on. Yeah, I'm saying I have Reason being is when I was in the pen, you know, I had a few situations dealing with my charge Where I used to have to speak to certain guys subliminal. Wow, you know Uh Over Instagram So, you know, I mean dealing with my charges because I knew it was going on So I had to reach out to serve people to make certain things work, bro You know, I'm saying, um, this shit was crazy, bro. So, um, with that being said A lot of things I had to say on there I had to take down on the page because One of the officers had come to the prison Well, he was fired from the force let Davis code different. He was fired from the force He come to the prison And he was kind of trying to see if he could like maybe put some pressure on me in the prison You know what I'm saying, but why? Guys wouldn't fuck with me behind the cop period. That wasn't gonna happen. You know, I'm saying they not, you know He ain't going against me with too many other kind of niggas either, but a cop definitely They wasn't messing with that. So, um, just to let him know that I was still in the midst of doing what I'm doing You know, I got me go to move or whatever you trying to do I had to sit my Set my page up and have certain shit on it to let him know That I'm ready. You know what I'm saying? Right now that page might link you to some shit that you know, so I don't want people to get that I want you to know I'm in the midst of pulling all the pages down anything that we can do to help Yes, sir If you need me for anything any shout outs in we hear for you That's that we hear we family now. I'm gonna follow you in a minute, too And you gonna follow me and we're gonna be at a link. You know what I'm saying Thank you so much come to appreciate you man. My god my new friend see you again Oh, you better believe it now. Hey when I come to town every time or if you come to Dallas If you ever up that way, but if I come down here, I'm getting another interview of you if you have me Next one man. Oh, we're gonna keep going and next we got a victory tour. Yeah. Yeah, we could have a little money They keep playing with us I would like to share this here, bro Stay focused on your kids Man real talk man real shit man. You really got to stay focused. Let me say this every chance I get, bro Because you know man, they took my mom's You know in my co-defendants we was kids, bro They took my mom's only child bro for a long fucking time for a long ride, bro I didn't make it out here to see my mom before she passed And you know, I mean I'm just out here right now, bro You know, I'm still soaking it all in but I'm just out here And bro, I mean the compensation shit is ridiculous. So I'm definitely gonna be talking, but you know what I'm saying So, thank you so much. Nice me man. Hey, man. Check it man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 where the bosses talk and we