 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast. It's been two weeks and somehow in those two weeks. We broke a microphone Without even touching it. It's impressive. I don't know how that happens, but you know, that's what happens when I guess I mean I've told people in the past. We're using some pretty cheap microphones and Yeah, it just happens I don't really have any explanation for it Also the fact that I guess I just need to upgrade the quality for microphones Which by the way, that's a good time to bring up that if you would like us to get better equipment a better camera better microphones Patreon comm slash Nintendo Prime go support us We actually have a funding goal there that will allow us to get better microphones now that we're down to one and if this one breaks We're screwed so So I apologize that there's some inconsistent audio between me and Eric, but well We're doing our best over here But I should also mention that besides yours truly Nathaniel Fodans and Eric Moore We have a couple I guess they're guests, but I they kind of sort of work at the site. So You some of you guys might have seen him we've had a mom before mr. 5j gaming. Hey guys How do you guys? Yep, you know streaming stuff. He's got his own streaming channel on twitch And he does streaming for Zeldin former for Zeldin former. There's not no prime a weekend. Whoops. Yep, man I haven't met a Zeldin former for like two months Oh, man, we're there for a while. It sticks with you. Yeah, right. It's hard to forget And then obviously we have mr. Daniel if you just saw him in the background Yeah, that's right. He is a video creator for our YouTube channel hasn't created a video in a while But I just told them that I just told them that I miss them and he needs to come back I need to come back. I miss his variety in the content that we make Um So we have some a lot of stuff because something about a podcast in two weeks. E3 happened It sure happened so the week of E3 we obviously didn't have a podcast go out and because of E3 I was too tired to record a podcast to have come out Yeah, last week, even though we're recording this the week of that it should have came out That's what happens for those who don't know again, we record on the Thursdays the week before the podcast comes out We're just gonna hop right into it because we have five topics At least I tried to condense it down to five because there's a lot we could talk about The first topic is actually going to be some E3 rewards. Mmm So these are obviously just Nintendo related. We're not talking about the whole of E3 Besides, I don't really believe in like winning E3 that it's just yeah, that's a fan console war thing who cares, right? But we're gonna go over three three categories and we're gonna give the game we think deserves it and why And the categories are our most surprising announcement The best game and the worst game Remember just because even if it's the worst game doesn't mean it's a bad game just out of all the all the announcements so I Don't want to be the cop-out person. So I'm gonna let 5g gaming go first I know if I go if I go first, I'm gonna like take everyone's game So 5g what was your most surprising announcement? Most surprising. I mean there were a couple of big surprises out there And I don't know if I want to throw them all out there right now and take everyone's just your most surprising just one game I'd say probably Anthem Not and not because of any reason of oh, that's an existing IP and I didn't expect it to come back Obviously, it's a new thing. I didn't expect to see something so awesome There were so there were so little things I was excited about in the Microsoft Conference that when they dropped that little trailer at the end for me. I was dying And the Nintendo side of thing things obviously everyone's kind of freaking out about Metroid I'd say that What surprised me even more than Metroid Prime was that they were remaking Metroid to the Game Boy game She maybe puts into Context a little bit why they were so you know adamant about people not Remaking the the second game in the Game Boy Advance style and to are now we kind of understand You know why they didn't want that out there. They they had their own plan and boy It looks great. They even call it Samus returns to let you know. Hey blast ball. That was a thing And we know that you didn't like that. So Samus is actually gonna come back and Series for you I actually haven't tried it, but I know that people were just upset simply because it was out there and Wasn't Samus out there Federation force in general was actually pretty good. It's just It was if they announced it now, it would be better. Exactly. Yeah, I wouldn't So yeah, anyways, I'd say Daniel. Yep. Go ahead Your turn, buddy. Yeah. Well again from like kind of similar answer for me The most surprising announcement was just the fact that there was Any Metroid coming out let alone two Metroid games coming out because I was pretty sure that Nintendo forgot that they had this great Franchise just hanging around doing nothing It's like the game There People can quote me before E3. I said there's no way Metroid is gonna be anything There's the same amount of time between Super Metroid and Metroid Prime as between Prime 3 and Prime 4 being announced Oh, wow I'm just putting that out there and everyone's always like oh Metroid was dead for so long and then Prime came out and it was great We just had that same gap if we ignore mother M or other M. Sorry It was not so if we ignore that game Then then we basically have the same the same thing just happened again where the series just like died Okay, I Gotta say I feel like those are the expected answers yet, right? Absolutely. Those are the biggest Biggest reactions, I think yeah, I'm everyone. Well, I know both of us both of us even beforehand. We're just like What does happen I'm like no way no that that's the Metro music. No way. No way It's one of those moments that I wish we were live streaming so people could have saw the reaction Go nuts. Yeah, not even one game, but two. I know that I'm building a new staff I might be how people can cover the event so I can let it go. There you go. That's the idea. We'll see if that works Eric What was your most surprising announcement? I I Obviously, it's gonna be Metroid, but I'm also kind of surprised that they're they're they're making a another Kirby game and a Yoshi game Really? That's a surprise You know, I don't know Well, you gotta remember Eric comes from a place where he hasn't really gamed on in the system in a while Okay, I don't know if you lost us. That's your problem. No, I think the auto just drops every once in a while It's fine. Keep going. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just fine. Yeah, that's fine. Um, so it's not that I'm surprised that they're making Kirby games because obviously Kirby's a big thing, but you know, it's it's This early, maybe. Yeah, it does seem rather soon. I'll say that. Yeah Right because we just got what woolly world Yeah, the 3ds woolly poochie and yoshi's woolly world Yeah, they just ported that over to 3ds and it was just released on Wii U like two years ago. So wasn't that long? Yeah, and it was last curve. Kirby planet robo bot on 3ds was there. Yeah. Yeah robo bot. Yeah So it feels strange to have those games like so soon like they definitively said like 2018 I'm not complaining though. I really liked yoshi's woolly world like a lot A lot people looked at and thought oh, that's game silly, but the level design is incredible in that game And it's people say that tropical freeze was the best 2d platformer of that era But yoshi's woolly world is actually the best 2d platformer I think it's better as a multiple game Tropical freeze is a close second, but I like yoshi's woolly world better It's probably a lot easier to play with with younger folks and I played with my wife because they had like a A mode where yoshi basically hovers endlessly So that was really great that she could play through the game with me, you know And not feel like it was getting too tough for her because she could just Absolutely same with I played the entirety of that game through with my son And that he couldn't get through tropical freeze, but he could get through yoshi's woolly world The doggie con country games are notoriously difficult. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, but that's I like that I wanted to throw out The surprise of the remake of mario and luigi superstar saga, I mean, where did that come from that was crazy Well, I mean, I haven't gone yet. Yeah Sorry, Nate. Oh crap. Oh man. Let's just forget about me. It's okay The biggest complaint on this podcast this the biggest complaint on this podcast is I talk too much, so Okay, all right. Well, I'll just steal your thunder the whole night then. Oh my Everyone's gonna talk over you Yep, that's okay. It's payback um So my most surprising announcement is none of the games you guys talked about Uh, and it might not be surprising that some did rumors But it's surprising to me because it's never happened ever Pokemon game on a home console Yes, yep, it didn't have the flare. It didn't have the dramatic, you know Little 10 second trailer showing off, you know the title or anything, but That I think that's what damper did a little bit is how it was announced But the fact that they said we are making a core RPG pokemon game for nintendo switch That's pokemon in hd Right. Yeah, I'm sorry. I Been dying to get back into the pokemon series. Everyone tells me go do something and go do something I'm sorry. I can't bring myself to do it. I will do it for nintendo switch Yeah, right. I since I was a child. I wanted to play it on my big screen And yes, I know about all the hookups That's not the same thing. I wanted a console version of pokemon. Yes, I'm getting it It took a hybrid system for me to get it I'm getting it. Yeah, right. So I am pumped like beyond believe as everyone's like freaking out over metroid I'm into pokemon. Yeah pokemon like like oh, it's metroid. Oh, it's metroid prime 4 I mean big analysis, but like dude, we've been getting metroid games for 30 years You've never gotten pokemon on a home console. Well 30 years with these huge ass gaps Like If you want to talk about just home consoles, I mean, what was it a six-year gap for breath of the wild? Oh my god, yeah, but It was worth the wait. I was but zell the games going all the time Whether it's a remake or a new game on 3d. Yeah, it's basically yearly. You don't think about it But one year not yearly. It's pretty close though. You know what I mean? Like there's sometimes a two-year gap, but they it's really not as far between the games as you think with Well, that's because they expanded the franchise a lot. We have the spin-offs with tango hyrule warriors But you know, it's just like mario. It's one of the 10 of the best-selling franchises, of course It's gonna spin off school or metroid the surprise thing with that with the two games It's just a I've said it all along and this is why I didn't think they were bringing metroid back so soon At least not a metroid prime 4, especially I thought, you know, maybe metroid to remake that That is something I could foresee but I'm like metroid doesn't sell a lot of copies. No Um, I I but I do feel like in hindsight the metroid prime 4 announced we came at the right time just because it uh It came at a time when the switch already has all the momentum So it's it doesn't have to be the game that sells the system. It's just a momentum carrier. Exactly. Yeah, right, right? You know, unlike like when other em was announced it was supposed to be like this big like oh It's gonna carry the system for the year and it's like it didn't even if it would have been great Metroid just doesn't sell that well I feel like that's kind of been how the switch has been going the entire time You know the hardware they got out there as soon as possible and the software was a little light on the ui side You know it felt like it was a little incomplete, but they're like, hey, let's get it out there People are gonna get it in their hands are gonna like it We're gonna tell them about all these games that are coming up as soon as we know about them And they're gonna be excited, you know, they're they're not playing it to the point where They're, you know, oh, we're putting out a new Metroid game, you know in six months Hey, we're putting out a new Metroid game and we just started working on it. So maybe in three years. You'll see it You know, yeah Yeah And pokemon too same thing. Okay, pokemon's huge pokemon's huge Uh, let's i'm gonna move on to the next part of this topic Uh, that is now so it's a perspective for our fans. None of us were ad-3 playing the games, right? No Now Eric and I went last year I know I just wanted to frame it for the conversation for the folks knowing that right these next two awards We hand out are just our onlooker awards The like the sex the sex category is the best game and this is just based on looking not hands-on experience So this is we have the same experience is probably 99 percent of you viewers Um, just wanted just wanted to frame that that I do have someone uh, zaya Neil from last year He went and he was actually gonna have some footage for us that we're gonna be using on our channel. Nice like that But um, again, he told me it might be a couple weeks before he gets that out to us So so we might have some of that in our prime videos, but it's nothing to do with me. Sure Uh, we're gonna go best game. We're gonna go in reverse order except for me. I'm always gonna go last to make sure I don't All right Eric more What was your best game at e3 is not Dang it's so hard to pick between the two mario games for me And specify there, which two are you talking about? That would be odyssey and uh, Rabbids kingdom battle. Oh, yeah. Okay, cool. Okay, because I as I've stated before I Absolutely love the rabbits and it looks like and and it seems like it's gonna play exactly like xcom So and that's another game that I absolutely love so the combination of those two right there is Just amazing in my mind And I don't know if they combine that with the gameplay of majesty. Oh, yes But that would be a little harder. Yeah, right turn base. I know I know but that doesn't make it work somehow Yeah, yeah, right, but uh And then odyssey just again reaffirmed that it feels like There's so many different like games morphed into one That it looks and feels awesome And the fact that you could take over t-rex is just Amazing reveal The t-rex just to clarify. Yeah, put it over the top. That is his best game. Yeah for me three. All right Uh, let me see It should be mr. Daniels before I just wanted to mention that if we had a biggest surprise Uh, least surprising of all the announcements for everyone, of course was that raving rabid's battle kingdom battle Since it was like months ahead of time Technically, yeah, well, yeah, I mean, but I also didn't consider them e3 announcement anymore Right, literally knew it before exactly like everything the surprise of that was just it doesn't suck Right. Yeah, you actually saw a gameplay and it actually looked cool Yeah, all right. Uh, Daniel, what was your best game? Um, well, I'm gonna say actually I have played super mario odyssey a little bit Um, just you were saying none of us were at e3 and I wasn't but uh Some certain locations were these early access events So actually managed to get to one of them and I played about that's good 10 minutes of my odyssey And it was really good. It handles really well, which is not a surprise. I guess mario So it's got to handle well I'm doing with scots and we don't have early access events here. Oh I'm sorry. Shut down. I got the mall of america. So I do have that. I just haven't gone yet Yeah, that's true. We don't we only live an hour and a half. How are we hour and a half? Oh, yeah I thought my commute was bad What's your commute? Oh, well, it's like 40 minutes to get to work, but that's nothing. I drive that like every day Yeah, yeah, no, I just Walked Yeah, I think And you know, I I don't think it counts as an announcement But I was all over the breath of the wild dlc the whole time that that it was showcasing it Like that was like the biggest thing for me and I've I've been It's been probably no surprise that I've been It's really into breath of the wild I put I was telling chris earlier But I put 250 hours into it already Like just wow have played basically just that until I got arms But like since it released that's all I played until arms came out Which is like the other day. I this is where I do have to give a shout out. I haven't posted it yet um on Zelda informer I started on their facebook page. I put up this screenshot So I put a db in art how they played like 700 hours in breath of the wild and I was like, hey Can anybody beat this there was somebody I haven't posted it on teleport. We have somebody submitted to zelda informer 780 hours playing Which is like eight hours a day or something every day since it released. Yeah, it's gone mad far Full disclaimer, I have 45 hours. Yeah, I don't even know a proud 45 hours. I don't even know How many shrines have you found Nathan? How many shrines have you found? Only like 36 Really All the divine beasts down only half the memories done. I know I'm bad Especially for all the years that are in zelda informer, but like I have three kids. I can't write walkthroughs anymore I already reviewed the game. So it's kind of like I don't have the excuse to be like, oh, I need to do a big marathon session or breath of the wild And I'll have hard mode coming out. So I already know I'm gonna restart the game all over again anyways Oh, I think that they said you can have a separate file for that It's a separate save file, but it starts all over again at the beginning. Oh, sure. Yeah Yeah, so so now that I know that's coming. It's like, why would I play now when I know I'm gonna restart all over again? Yeah Why experience everything now when I can experience everything in master mode as I'm getting my ass kicked. Oh, yeah, right So that's the best way to do it if I can 100 the game in master mode That'll be awesome. That's my goal this year before my odyssey comes up We'll see that's that's gonna be well, I'm gonna be live streaming the entire playthrough. So oh, yeah Nice you guys look forward to that on our youtube channel here and on twitch. It's gonna be Um, I'm a little scared. Yeah Yeah, I like to edit it because because they made a hundred percent and even harder because now like you have The extra chests that are in all the floating Floating things out there and then plus you also have trial the sword Yeah Oh It means I can't use my bomb and run trick anymore No more that You know, I never it's not even a trick. Everybody does that. Oh, yeah, I used to but I I outgrew it Now I'm just you won't outgrew it in master mode I don't know how I'm gonna handle the gray planet. Oh If I can't bomb and run on the gray planet, so I don't know how I'm taking out this purple vocal lens That are gonna Like the items are not strong enough. So I'm gonna have to drown them trick them into the water. Well, there you go. There you go. You have to knock them off the cliff sides All right, so we got it. We got a vote over here. We got uh, eric with uh Super my odyssey but by a hair by a t-rex by t-rex We got daniel over there stick it to his guns with the zelda going with the dlc Uh, what was one thing we didn't mention about the dlc is the champions ballad. Yeah They they kind of lost over a lot of questions, but they didn't say any details about it. So Except that it's about the champions except that that right with four with four new amiibo Which that part is awesome. I'm all about that I have a pretty great amiibo collection. I have about 40 amiibo Um, I and I want every time they announce all these new amiibo I'm like I want I want the metroid ones. I want all the news breath the wild ones All I could say for people that the only thing that I'm gonna get the amiibo. I know it's all the amiibo are the only ones I make sure I always get I say that I'm missing all the 30th anniversary ones because I did pre-order and they're still not in stock Um, and that's what I was gonna bring up for like people who don't even have the current breath of the wild Amiibo, how can they feel right now? Oh, yeah. Oh, we don't even have the current ones and you're releasing four more That's that's great. Yeah, I never found a garden amazon to get one restock Yeah, thanks guys Yeah, the okra new time one. I'm so sad I didn't jump on that amiibo right away And it's I don't think it's ever gonna come back. I'm just out of luck. Yeah, I have It's a really nicely detailed really nice I'm sure it's amazing. I'm sure It's a custom order one. Oh All right, 5j. So so we got zeldin dlc. We got mario odyssey. Which way are you looking at right now for your best game of Side note. I probably have more than 70 amiibo. Oops I'm You want you want to I want to send them to me. I will gladly replace my green screen background with all of your amiibos Every video, right? Yeah, I need to figure out a shelving unit to display it all behind me Um, I'll build one for me if you say Yeah Yeah, I'll trade you for that that special 3ds or the capture card Hey, we might have a deal. I I'm not I'm not I will not get rid of these. I love them Dang it great. I don't even I don't really even use it And I'm gonna be like, oh you have that you should be live streaming 3ds games Yeah besides the value on that you want to buy me some 3ds games I don't have I don't own a single 3ds game right now I run I run a nintendo channel and I own zero 3ds games The only game I can play at it right now is spirit tracks from the ds. Okay. No, but that's a great game That's a good one. I like the reason I still have that the box boy series. They're cheap the great games No, no game stop wouldn't buy it What They're like a fun story. I don't own a lot of games right now Um, I at one point owned a ton of games even a ton of switch games I had like six or seven physical games that you did but I have kids and this is my only job and I don't make any money So, um, the first things to go are the things that are more expendable and my video game collection is expendable It sucks. Mine's not you're broken TV out. No, mine's not Yeah, so Yeah, it's like the only thing I have to say like I'm not gonna sell my TV You don't get anything for a TV. No anyways, so like I'm not selling my computer. I literally need that for work. Yep Um, so it's like, oh the only thing I haven't sold is my capture card 3ds because I just don't want to go through the hassle of selling it on eBay. Sure. Um, because I'm not selling that to game stop I'm not taking like 20 bucks for a 500 dollar thing like no, they might give you 50 though. I mean, whoa No, with a trader promotion, you could probably get up to 70, but it's like, but it's a capture card Exactly. And they don't add extra value for the capture card In fact, they might not even take it because then they'll say it's modified. Exactly. Yeah And I still have my switch only because My girlfriend was like No I literally had it in my car to sell and she just slapped me to put that fucking thing back in your office Smart. She's very smart. Wow. Yes Because she she one thing is she knows right there Well, she does she knows I use it for work. So like She knows after I get rid of it one, I'm probably not gonna be able to find another one the rest of the year Best buy I had like four and they're probably all gone So it's like I'm probably not gonna be able to find one. I'm probably not gonna have the money to buy one anytime soon And uh, yeah, I have games I need to play because I run a Nintendo channel. So Hey, I own a 3ds and I own a switch. I don't own any games. I own breath of the land So I almost sold that that I'm like, oh dlc's landing end of the month. What what was that? Okay. Okay. I'm not sorry Never mind. Never mind. I'll keep that. Um, so Anyways, getting back into it 5j best game e3. Go. Okay. So I mean, I I'm gonna say something different just because I think an easy choice is Mario Odyssey It does look awesome Absolutely. I'm excited to take the place of a frog and whatnot But I'm gonna go back again with the Metroid remake or Metroid 2 remakes samus returns That oh my goodness. What a remake that is I mean, they're going with the 2.5d thing where it's all 3d graphics on a 2d plane they're adding in All sorts of samus over the games keeps getting more and more acrobatic and having more moves and more abilities and Similar to if you were to play zero mission and you were to play the original Metroid You'd probably think they weren't the same game and they're basically not that's exactly what's happening here. It is So far removed from the source material. It's basically a brand new game in every single way And it looks great. I only wish it was on the switch That's the only thing I would change about it. Otherwise, it looks really awesome All those battles looked really cool. The graphics looked great. Samus looks awesome Let's do it. I'm ready. I'm glad they changed samus's look back to Sort of more of her original art designs like very similar to the Metroid 2 design for samus because in mother m I don't know they changed her shoulders were too small her arm cannon was too small and it just It looked really off to me And then they carried that design into smash and I just it doesn't do it for me I really need those big shoulders, you know, where was other m in the in the line again in the chronology after super Metroid but before fusion Okay, it's a sort of three and a half Yeah If fusion is four then it would be 3.5 But but the plot's the same as fusion. So we can just ignore it and move on to fusion Now that there's a four that's 3.33 Oh my god, that there's an actual four No, that's prime for that's a different series. Oh, yeah, that's lineage Got it. Got it. Okay. We're good. Yeah, there's no point the prime comes after three But that's nothing to do with super but prime the prime series comes after one and before two So you've got one prime one two three and then I guess four And then met and then metroid samus returns Wow Until four pulls the breath of the wild 10,000 years And then after samus, oh, yeah, so then after prime ends and the timeline splits So in one timeline is Metroid 2 and then the other timeline is samus returns, right? Yeah, oh, what about federation force? Where does that go? That's in the prime time It's the unified prime timeline Well, I was asking about federation force and Metroid prime hunters and don't forget pinball Oh, it's canon. That's canon. It was very canon All right, wow. All right. Yeah, that's my good choice. Good choice. Uh I don't want to cop out but I'm going to it's mario odyssey by a landslide. Yeah Uh I really wanted to go with the rabbit scheme just because I feel like I really want to talk about talk whatever Maybe we'll get to it in a in a future conversation, but odyssey just feels like Been having this conversation I guess lately especially on youtube with a lot of different of our viewers about like, you know Is mario hardcore or is it like a casual experience that brings in everyone and I just say why can't it be both? And mario odyssey if anything Is a callback to super mario 64 and sunshine like bill trendon himself said that like that's what it calls back to And those games were very much not really considered casual experiences In fact, those games sell significantly less than a side scroll in mario game does that has a broader appeal so In a sense, I would argue that mario odyssey Fantastic as it looks as much as it's going to appeal to everyone because it's e for everyone mario's for everyone There's not an age group that mario doesn't fit in my daughter's not playing this game She's six. She she wants to play mario, but she wants to play side scrolling easy hit one button to jump mario Right. She doesn't want to play complex moves. Don't understand anything I mean, she thinks it's cool. You can transform her to stuff But she's never gonna figure out how to do it right or jump on the hat as it hovers in it. Yeah, yeah actually So I was there at that early access event with my son and he got to try the game out And he was able to pick up the capture mechanic of throwing your hat onto things pretty easily and he's four. So Oh, nice. Oh, nice. How are you like going and finding objectives? So maybe my daughter's just an idiot He thought of it again like he I sort of insulted my daughter. Oh, I'm sorry boy I'm sure that was the intention. He also couldn't really like get to any objectives or anything He was just kind of playing around Anyways, no You know, I think it's like like no I'm insulted. I'm the one insulting my family. Um, no, it's It's just a game that uh, it appeals to everyone But I think the people it appeals to most two are the people who really really like 3d platformers Yeah, uh, 3d platformers have kind of fell all by the wayside over the years For really Even Nintendo doesn't understand why when they were asked, you know, do you think it's hard to make 3d platformers? They're like, no, we actually don't know why people don't make them Like we're the only ones And they're not I mean, you know, ukulele just just came out and like to luke loving some people hate it Yeah, it's a love hate game apparently. That's fine, but it it's like Like Where has the genre gone? I don't know but mario odyssey reminds us that the genre has plenty of of gas left in it It feels you just have to have it feels like the world war two shooter You know where they were everywhere every single year and then they were just gone And then eventually somebody has to bring it back. So maybe nintendo bringing it back We'll bring back all the other imitators Doing the same thing. Yeah, maybe I mean, maybe I don't know all I know is that it looks fantastic There isn't any part of this game right now that I look at it and be like this looks terrible. Yep No, even the weird walkie in a city where mario is supposed to be human, but here's a real looking humans I yeah, it's mario for some reason it all this would only work in mario. They tried it with sonic. It didn't work Yeah, yeah, no, but it works with mario. I why I don't know things just work better when you throw mario in I don't know why maybe because he's a person that a hedgehog Well, and I think nintendo takes a lot more vision sega does right? Yeah, quality control Like if it was an actual good game with a bad setting it probably would would have been a lot better received But no, that's the thing with like the sonic adventure games is they were good games And even though the setting there was like the whole real people thing people don't complain about it as much as Like the later like sonico 6 and things like that because the game was good enough But no one cared that all these real people were wandering around with sonic, right? Right Um, I I do want to give a special mention uh, it's a game that I've been watching a lot of footage of lately and I was It was a very close Like like it's kind of tied with me with mario and rabbits for my second favorite from e3 And that is xenoblade chronicles. Oh, yes Just need to give a shout out to that. Absolutely because no It's getting overshadowed by everything which it should because that's just mario odyssey is a big deal but That game was fantastic. Yeah, just It's everything that like a true xenoblade Chronicles like sequel should be so far from what we see. Yeah Um, and that's how to say I love x but like obviously with this one having a two in the title That's not like the exactly literal sequel. That's such like a side dish um So And we're gonna move on. Did they did they say that they had that they guaranteed that it was coming in 2017? Or was yes in in america. I thought they they specifically said in america is officially holiday 2017 amazing Well, you gotta figure you gotta figure mario is coming in october so that's not holiday. Yep. Yeah So now xenoblade chronicle two is technically their holiday game Unless they have something else to announce later in the year I almost think I almost think they're intentionally making xenoblade chronicles through their holiday game to push on black friday Because mario is going to sell no matter when you release exactly right Yep, so if you get it out of the way sooner enough, that's still going to sell like hotcakes But hey, what's the hot new release at the time? Frankly now mario. Yeah Um, so maybe it's their attempt to try to make xenoblade more popular Because they have a team of like a hundred people that make that that's really big for nintendo. Yeah Yeah, and if for nintendo to make rpgs at all, I mean They're we're used to them doing the wacky here as nintendo's take on an rpg and it's not particularly traditional in in many senses But xenoblade has been an amazing series for nintendo. It feels like what final fantasy should have become but didn't You know, I just I really love xenoblade and I love that. It's a nintendo. I'm still waiting I love xenoblade, but I'm still waiting for pandora's tower two Wait, no, didn't that I like that more than xenoblade. Yeah Pandora's tower two did oh two. I missed the two parts. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, no I liked pandora's tower more than xenoblade Really why kind of saddens me that xenoblades the series that continued in that pandora's tower I think they both should continue But it was very obvious that there's no way Like they released what was it two or three different jrpgs and like yeah, there's only one that was going to survive There's no way in heck. They're nintendo was gonna keep all three going right and I don't think they were all necessarily nintendo Properties one of them was And it was like some of their creators of the original final fantasy games Um, yeah, that one didn't do so good though No, all right. That's we're gonna go out to the last part of this first topic. That is the worst game um Again for those listening. It doesn't mean this is the game that we Hate it's just a game that Are least liked I guess the best way to look at it unless we say otherwise Um, and again, we'll go back in reverse order. So that means Mr. Five j. Hey, what is your what's your least liked or worst game for me? Uh, I'd say the the phrasing I would change it a little bit for me to say that I was least interested in it Uh, the new yoshi game to me looks exactly like woolly world But with a like a diorama perspective And in in higher quality graphics and I think that's you know, that's going to be fine But it seems so hot on the heels because they had the the the 3ds remake And it just I don't know it doesn't it didn't show enough of why it was a new game that justified a very similar look Uh, I didn't see a whole lot of new features, you know, there wasn't a lot to get me excited about it I was surprisingly bland, but I'm normally very excited about yoshi games because I really like that different style of Platforming a yoshi is very different from the many platforming games that nintendo makes Um, so I was surprisingly lukewarm on that one and I'd say that was probably my biggest I'd call it maybe a disappointment. I maybe expected a little too much out of it, but yeah Now excuse me, sir Was the chains from yarn to cardboard not good Come on, and it looks nice. It looks nice, but I mean they're sticking with the whole like, uh, Kids crafts theme and that's cool. And it's really cool because people don't do that in any other Um systems, you know, you don't see xbox really doing that kind of thing. Yarny was was close, but that wasn't an exclusive but They're they're doing a lot of that now. I mean all the way back in the wee era They were doing that with kirby's epic yarn. Um, you know, so I mean it's it's cool It looks great. Name one other switch game. That doesn't but I was it wasn't thrilled by it, you know We'll name one other switch game that doesn't well not a switch game yet. You're right Though that's what they're they how can it be tired on a platform? It's like uh, when they put out mario kart 8 Deluxe I was really excited because they put in a brand new battle mode even though 90 percent of the game is exactly The same as it has always been I was more excited for mario kart 8 deluxe than I was for for yoshi Because what I saw from what they way showed me from the battle mode Was something that I wanted so much and I'm not seeing anything in there yet Yet that I'm wanting so much and I'm excited for yoshi. So it's okay. I'm just seeing no I'm explaining exactly how I love yoshi. We'll see if they give us some more to like but right now It's just okay. It's a yoshi game and that's that's all we have. Okay How about uh, you mr. Daniel, what is your least liked or worst game for me? You know, I I don't know Like there wasn't a game I saw and I was like, uh This is gonna suck I guess if I if I had a pick one that I was least excited for it would probably be um, like the mario luigi Super star saga because I I guess I never played the originals or anything like that. So Plus bowser's maybe Yeah, so I I never played really long title I never played the originals or anything like that. So I I I'm just was like, okay. That's coming out great Kind of moved on Yeah, that's That's interesting. I mean should the fact you've never played it make you more excited because it'll be like a brand new game Gas but I was just I don't know. I just didn't I was too busy Getting all excited about the there's a reason you didn't play it the first time around and that reason hasn't changed Right. I guess it just doesn't it doesn't tickle my fancy. Just doesn't appeal. Doesn't it? Yeah Eric more my good old buddy opal Least like game first game Probably I'm gonna have to agree with Daniel on the one that I'm probably least likely to play is the the mario luigi But I mean the game is so good. It does look good But it's probably like him that I'm gonna probably it is probably one of the most publicly underrated games out there Not critically. It's critically rated amazing. Yeah It is so good But to you saying that to me like just knowing you it's just like someone saying That's super mario rpg is bad. Oh, that's what that's like to me. That's all good that game. Okay Where wow That that is that is just throwing them to go on things. I know what you like. Oh, I like you. That wasn't a nice thing to say I know that that hurts. I thought we were best friends, man I Deferring opinions, but no no definitely. Um, but I think The game that I'm least likely to play is that but I think God the Kirby and Yoshi ones is even though they look nice. They I just don't Again, they just didn't get me all I gotta go. I gotta go. This is great. This is fantastic. So what is it? Because now that I compared it to Okay, so the answer is still Mario and Luigi's. Yes. Okay, those three are probably the ones that I'm least likely to play But which one of the three? Right The bottom of the barrel one game The bottom of the barrel. Oh god Right, just pick Mario and Luigi. You're not going to play 3ds anyway. That is very very true. You're done with 3ds I know we have this conversation. That is very very true You like actually might play Yoshi or Kirby, especially if I get like new copies of right because it's it's on the switch Yes, you're very very right on that one. Just throwing it. I should be swaying your opinion, but no no no no I know you are Don't worry doesn't every week Let's see. I'm okay. Yes um I'm gonna get crucified right now. Uh-oh after what you said um What breath the wild dlc? Oh, no. No Is it is it? I was disappointed in what they showed of the dlc Um, oh No, I understand I know it's actually not my least but but just a word on that I have a little disappointed in what they showed of the dlc because The most interesting parts of what that trial of the sword could be were never shown Um, we just saw stuff that they already showed in preview screenshots and in the announcement trailer Like it was nothing new. I already saw all those areas. Sure. Although I do have to say they did give you one of the Most epic screenshots ever. Yeah with that with that ending thing of the first first, uh, dumb luck Yeah, well, I I I still like the screenshot of uh, Yuzuke, Mett and Miyoto back back to back holding the Yeah, the guns for my unravelings. Yeah I it's so corny everyone like there's may maze of it. I don't care that thing It was awesome. Just just one of those moments. You only get a d3. It only ever happens at e3. Um, so did you call it a may may? Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. What the deal? Yeah It was those may maze those are the little like the little like mob guys in the like 30 31 years ago 31 years ago. It wasn't even a word. No, it wasn't It's probably not even still a word. It's I don't make sense It's the scrundle situation. They made it up and now it's in there. See to me this is like this is like the debate over jiff versus gif because they're It's just spelt incorrectly the way they want you to pronounce it. It's more like potato tomato. Anyways, but Tomato tomato. No potato tomato. No I just punched him. All right. Um So worst game, uh, this is where I'm gonna get a lot of flak It's Metroid 2 You have some explaining to do Yes, I do now. I'm excited the game exists. I was a definitely surprised announcement Obviously, I didn't think there was gonna be any metro I I wasn't a huge fan of the original Metroid 2. Yep. So when I looked at this I was hoping for it to Do Make me want to play it Because I'm almost the same boat as Eric. I'm pretty much done with 3ds. Yes As I said, I don't own any 3ds games part of that's because I had to sell it part of it It's because I'm not buying any new 3ds games There isn't any any ones that make me want to say well, I should put down my switch and pick up my 3ds And Metroid obviously good like there's a new brand new side scrolling Metroid that that why we would have made me say All right, I gotta go get that game. Um, at least to try it. So what I already know everything that's happening in the game Uh, there doesn't appear to be any new content that you know of Be beyond beyond gameplay elements like they added new gameplay elements and to me all the new gameplay elements they added made the game easier Well, and if you take a game that The only part of what I liked was that it was difficult and you take away the one part of it that I like And all you do is give me a pretty facade With zero announcements on new content on the game. That's supposedly coming out soon September that That's pretty soon. It's a little ways out though. We're almost we're almost to july It's two months. Yeah I mean If you're going to announce a remake a something and it's going to have new content that would be a pretty big announcement I feel like there's going to be more info Because I I don't think there's going to be anything. I think it's a straight up. It's awkward in time Yeah, but I think it's it might be more zero mission though Where zero mission was almost completely the same game But they had all sorts of new mini bosses and new abilities that were not in there and You were exploring the same areas, but they were almost entirely different and then there was a mission at the end of the game That was not there at all. That's our new content There was a whole new mission Samus that was completely new content much, but it was something new wasn't enough What wasn't I have to interject that like the zero mission treatment that it would be getting is enough I think if if you have a game that is getting a remake even if you don't add New like of the new area or something which zero mission actually did But even if you didn't just changing the way that samus handles to be more playable Is is should be enough because like in the environment less confusing It so doesn't look exactly the same in every room Yeah, so like playing through the same areas between metroid one and zero mission The two are the same areas and you're playing the same character and fighting the same enemies But because you can actually navigate it without a map or walkthrough and you can Control samus in a way that is is much not just easier to control, but like is More fun to control. Yeah, that would be enough for me To uh to want to look at this this remake the same way. I'm definitely going to go pick it up. I think I'll say thank you. You guys are the only thing preventing people from unsubscribing Hahaha Literally I say like three words and it's just no you're wrong look at this I would say about metroid two if the only thing you like about it was it was difficult Maybe it's because that was the only reason they gave you to like it. Maybe there was nothing else redeemable about it Now if they're going to remake it and give you other reasons to like the game You don't have to worry. So I watched all the gameplay segments. I watched all the gameplay segments nothing and it looked good to me It looked like the same game with new mechanics coming in from other m that made it even easier Yeah, but if you can see where you're going done this i've done that i've done this I find metroid two though It's not difficult because it's like oh this fight lost fight is so hard It's because it's so Frustrating confusing like to try and navigate the world and to go for like to know where you're going That's part of what made it That's part of what made it good to me. Yeah, but that's that's I remember my favorite zelda game before Breath of the wild was Zelda 2 you know what you're supposed to do You're able to go from point a and you're like, okay. Well, this is my objective right now and hey, okay Here's the dungeon and there's the dungeon boss That's my objective and you're able to navigate the dungeons well enough because they're well designed and there's enough diversity Um, and it's challenging because it's genuinely Challenging skill based. It's skill based not just confusing and exactly frustrating Yeah, it's it's but but that's what metroid 2 was for me So a question for you though mate in general. How do you feel about remade games? Do you normally not get excited about remakes? That's a very good question because that could have a lot to do with it. What one which we should probably have in another pocket That's a good topic for another time That actually isn't I actually is a topic I did want to have on a pocket And I was just talking about the value of remakes, but uh, we can almost probably bump this one Because we talked about just to get don't worry about it. Just to get it out there um I Don't know how to feel about remakes because like on one hand, obviously I've covered Zelda all these years I got excited for Twilight Princess HD and You know, whatever. I'll be excited when scabbard sword eventually hd eventually gets announced That's obviously going to happen at some point And like I got excited about these other remakes that are basically the exact same game. No new content up to individuals um And I you know part of me always said it's not worth 60 bucks For Twilight Princess HD at the same age. It's not worth, you know 40 bucks for ocarina of time 3d because it's the same game It should be like half off of what a full game costs on the platform because they didn't do anything new with it Uh and to I mean when I say anything, there's always little tweaks or play things and that's kind of the way I'm viewing uh Samus returns right now because that's all they showed us was they made little gameplay tweaks here in there um, and so a visual upgrade so I it's one of those things I can't get excited about until they give me a reason to be excited It just existing with new visuals and a few new gameplay gimmicks from other m including some that a lot of people don't even like It it's like I think remakes have a purpose to exist And I think that it's weird because I almost feel like this remake needed to happen Yes to bring Metroid back. I don't think Metroid could have came back without a remake Because it needed a way to reintroduce people to the series Uh that isn't other m or isn't federation force. They needed a traditional Metroid So like I feel like this is a remake that needed to happen Did it need to be Metroid 2? I don't know I honestly think they should have just remade all three of the Metroid Prime games and release those Well, they already did one trilogy to lead and they still might do it. They still might do it Maybe retro maybe that's what retro is doing because they're not doing Prime 4 Okay, if they've been spending three years remaking games. They've already made oh my god That would be really cool. I'm gonna I'm gonna strangle them Yeah, if I can make it they can they can give that to Grezzo or some other studio to do that. Oh my god Um, yeah, but to add further to your point. It's also important because I'm torn on remakes because like On the same time. I've always been like well remake. It's the same game. So right like you know what you're getting But should it have more content something some people think it should I think it absolutely should if you're gonna charge 60 bucks for the same Um or or 40 bucks for the 3ds since that's the top Well, actually sorry, there are certain 3ds games itself for 50 dollars technically, but that's not that's not the standard so a I just I like remakes like I just said this remake needed to exist I enjoyed the Zelda remakes, but what I don't enjoy as a consumer is that We're getting remake it almost feels like we're getting too many remakes. That makes sense I feel like so like I like the idea of remakes But I don't like the idea of remakes in lieu of more content like think about what we're getting Like this isn't even a remake ultra sun ultra moons coming out But we know it takes place in the same world probably with this the same pokemon Maybe it's black white. Yeah, we we see what they do with this in the past so like it almost feels like it's just a remake of sun and moon and Like all these big announcements for 3ds were basically remakes Where's my new games? Yeah They're coming to switch and like you say you're supporting like Like they're gonna support it the past 2080 and it's like, okay. Well, then you're gonna support it with remakes You're gonna support it with remakes. That's not support. That's laziness. That's I pay the studio 100 bucks They took a week. They threw some new models on it. Here's your $40 game Wow, I think the devs are gonna be real angry at you for underestimating the time they put into it I know I know I'm just saying what it feels like as a consumer like yeah, like I'd want to say that I I want to put I think there's a difference between like a remake and a remaster I feel like what you're appreciating about the uh, the two Zelda remakes is that they're more along the lines of just Exactly the same game With modern, you know upscaled graphics and you know, maybe a tweak or two here and there to make it less frustrating In some parts of people didn't like what I appreciate about those games is that they didn't come out in lieu of other Zelda games We still got triforce heroes. We still got a link between worlds So like we still got new game releases Whereas we haven't had a metroid since other m and our next experience with it's a remake When I feel like it's a new 2d science school in metroid would be better And then you release prime 4 then you release the metroid 2 Well, and I'm thinking prime 4 is far enough out that that can still happen But also I think part of the metroid 2 comes this comes this year so it can't still happen I think part of why this remake is important though is that like a lot of people haven't played metroid 2 And it's like that one gap that like a lot of metroid fans skipped over or missed And so I think as far as if they had to pick one game two remake Goes like that was probably the smart choice because You've got this this portion of the overarching story. That's really important Um, and it's just a lot of people just know about it A lot of people don't know the significance of of that little metroid, you know in in super metroid Uh, and if you'd played it in order and were familiar with the story up until you got to super metroid It might have made a bigger impact, but in this case like oh cool That happened sweet. It does make a really big impact without metroid 2 Um, you should watch my super metroid video on nintendo primes youtube channel everybody It's really it's really good No, seriously when we brought it up a bunch of times if you actually look at the top of the video We'll have a nice link that goes right to it so you guys can you can check it out right now. Um Like I know me saying that it's my like worst game. I I don't think it's bad I've said several times that I think a remake needed to happen Even as I said, I think there's a better approach with a new side throwing game before a remake at the same time I get it. I it needed to happen. Maybe it for me It could just be the whole remake culture with nintendo right now It feels like we're getting a ton of remakes Um, and it's not like we're not getting new games arms just came out But it's like the rate of remakes to new games seems a little off I think I don't mind as much because prime 4 was announced too That's the thing though, it's like Then I'm like, okay, but here's my thing. I'm not excited for prime 4 yet One it's being made by a totally new studio So we have no idea if they can even live up to the true but retro is new at the time too That's true Well, yeah, but retro was purchased by nintendo Um, the last game the guy that's heading up the game is the same guy that headed up Some of the prime series before but also the last game he headed up that didn't involve retro studios with other So like I don't have any confidence in the guy heading up the game because he doesn't have A proven studio like retro studios behind him Um So I have no confidence that they can even live up to the prime series name right now It's not retro. That was the big thing when people announced that I was watching kind of funny games reactions They're like, is it retro? Is it retro? Oh, it's not retro. Is it? And they look at it. Oh, no, it's not retro studios. So then like their hype started dying down a bit because it's like, well It's like saying there's a new Zelda game. Oh, but it's not me about the Zelda team Yeah, I think there's a danger in expecting this to be the best prime If that's what you're expecting, I think you will probably be let down Prime one is so like I was all pumped for prime Until until I learned that prime 4 wasn't being a retro I would probably say that maybe this this went to be my worst game. Maybe it would have been You know Any number any of the 3ds games they announced really could have been ultra sun ultra moon Like sure, but at the same time It's just one of those things where I was let down because one I have no confidence in prime 4 But my hype for like died out the same day once I found out it's not retro One I'm mad because I don't what the hell's retro been doing for three years. Yeah, better be awesome Tropical freeze too Let's talk your country game. No, I could be wrong. I want to be wrong. I hope it's amazing Like I'm I just have kind of this tepid thing like until someone shows me the game. What am I hyped for? I'm hyped for a title With that's with a brand new studio brand new team I This team that has not proven anything to me yet. That's e3 for you though last remake. I got Nintendo is big on Just throwing a slide full of titles That's usually not like Yeah, but that's not usually like mainline series is usually not made by random team. That's never made a game, right? But it did happen with prime the first prime Maybe they can yeah, but they announced it by showing the game Yeah, we're really skeptical about prime when it was like the first prime game when it was first Revealed and announced to like they were like Yeah, so I mean we'll see But yeah, maybe that's the thing like because because I have a A fear that prime 4 isn't going to be what I hope it's going to be It's going to be a side scroller metro That the metro I'd remake it's like okay And there's a lot of people out there that I because I've been following like because am to our Creator said hey people don't boycott, you know this this remake like this is why I did what I did Like this is he cared about the game. It's awesome. Whether or not we influenced it This is what we wanted as a community, right? We wanted this remake And there's a lot of people saying yeah, but we're not even excited about prime 4 because what we really want It wasn't was it them to do it? They did to mario go back to side scrolling metro it and make new ones Um, because that how long is that has it been since we've had a true side scrolling was that fusion? That was the last one and that's a remake fusion is your mission zero mission is the remake well fusion is zero mission Sorry, my bad. Which one was more recent and how long ago was that it was game boy advance though Yep, I mean How many generations away from that are we Actually, it doesn't translate since it is technically their their home console and it is not a portable It's been I mean, it's got to be close to 20 years 20 since fusion Well, it was like it's not game boy advance. It's 2000. I think it was 2004 we're in year six Well, think about it. We're in year six of the 3ds and the ds went for eight years That's 14 years. We're talking like 2002 2004 here for for fusion It's 2015 years at the most 2002 Oh, I'm sorry. It's off by five years. Unless you're counting zero Time scale of 15 to 20 then that is okay. I should I should have said what is that 15 20 years ago? That new one of it. I would have been 15 years. Yeah You say add an extra five years on people aren't going to be happy in video games Let's put that in perspective Let's put that in perspective 15 years. That's half of the lifespan of the legend of zella Since we've had a 2d metroid So it's really metroid a brand new game not a remake not, you know a remastering That's insane. They've been known to do crazy things like bring kid Icarus back for no reason But not not not so I don't know I guess it's just I was hoping for something different and that's just