 Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger and I'm just back from a phenomenal trip. I've made a commitment to myself once a month, once a month to take off and just be a nature and try something significant. I've really pushed my body recently and I'm fascinated by what it can do and I did an eight hour hike. I've done two marathons in my life but this was it's been a while. So eight hours of hiking, amazing. In some of the most magical forest I have ever been in. So grateful, so grateful to see that kind of beauty and perfection. And I also did a dive, if you will, which really means that I lowered myself via rocks into some waterfalls and I wanted to so badly and it was so scary to be honest because all the rocks were really slippery. There was no railing to hold on to. You weren't really sure how cold, how deep, how shallow, what was down there but I wanted to so much and you know the universe always has my back. I'm just always supported and taken care of and sure enough we had two couples who came by. My boyfriend and I were there and we had two couples. We were both a little trepidatious there and they were snowboarders, took total risks in their life, fearless, literally fearless people who jump off of mountains and do things like how perfect and they came, one of the fellows anyway, boom, went right in and showed us how. He helped me get in the water. We had great conversation. There was such nice people. They left and took off and it was just the two of us and I'm like you know I'll be damned if I'm leaving this pool, this gorgeous freezing cold pool that I am now swimming in without this bucket list moment of literally putting my whole body and head under a waterfall and I did. Rob captured it on camera and it was so exhilarating, that feeling of no regrets, of wanting something so much, not being sure, having doubts and going for it and the joy of giving yourself something you desire at that level. So simple and yet it was monumental for me. So a beautiful weekend and just back and so, so grateful to be with you guys again for yet another sumptuous conversation. I want to thank Dr. Dean here, H-E-E-R and Access Consciousness for sponsoring this show. They do beautiful energy work all around the world. You could take their classes online, read their books, products and just learn they've got lots of free stuff. Go to accessconsciousness.com, well worth it and the show has been nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards for a Webby Award. It is in the top 100 best podcasts in the USA in self-improvement and that's an Apple podcast and it's also marked in the top 50 podcasts in Portugal and Canada and France and several other countries. So I'm so grateful all of you around the world globally are joining us and what I do out in the world is I am a visibility shaman or coach if you will and I teach people visibility specifically how to write a page-turner book, how to turn that book into a guaranteed international bestseller and how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get great results. So I show people how to find and use media exposure to completely locate your tribe, sell out workshops, webinars, sell your books and other things and if you would like more information about any of that or to receive some free gifts and tools go to debbie-singer.com, D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com. Be my joy to have a conversation with you if you'd like to know more. So the question today is do you want to move and shift what's going on for you around abundance and prosperity? I know that I do. I'm always looking to understand that because it influences so much in our life not just money but all the allowances and receiving that we have in our life. My guest today is Glenn Harold who is an author, musician and experienced clinical hypnotherapist who's helped thousands of clients and he's been on a wide range helping people with stress related problems. He's combined his hypnotherapy skills with an extensive recording knowledge to produce a uniquely effective series of high quality hypnosis recordings that have been downloaded over 10 million times and they are very well established in the UK and he is known for best selling self-help audio titles of all time. Glenn also writes self-help books for Orion in the UK and McGraw Grill, that's funny I'm mixing two names but it's McGraw Hill in the USA and he produces hypnotherapy recordings. He's been number one in self-help audio over the last seven years. He has 20 years experience as a clinical hypnotherapist in one-to-one therapy sessions and in recent years he has worked with many high profile people and celebrity clients and in 2011 he was made a fellow of the British Society of Clinical Hypnosis for his achievements in the world of hypnotherapy. Let me give you some links because he's got a gift for you. It's GlennHarold.com and it's G-L-E-N-N-H-A-R-R-O-L-D.com and if you'd like your free gift go to GlennHarold.com slash mindfulness slash download dash no sign up dot HTML. I know that's a mouthful don't worry go to YouTube.com slash Debbie Dashinger or any of the podcast sites and you will see that information in the show notes. And I welcome Glenn to the Dear to Gene show. It is so great to have you. Hello Debbie. It's really fabulous to be here from Portugal, sunny Portugal in and southern Europe. How did you end up there? It was about five years ago that we left the UK and we came down to Spain initially. And yeah, we love Spain. It was a great place to live. And then Portugal's right next door. And we like the school. I've got a couple of young kids. So we like the schools over here. They were kind of into sort of the homeschooling sort of vibe and that kind of thing. And so some of the schools over here were very sort of supportive of that. So we're doing a bit of homeschooling and a bit of sort of nature schooling as well. Well, so it's like pick up and go. I mean, you can do it anywhere in the world. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. I mean, for a long, long time I sold CDs and cassettes because I was selling them, you know, back in the 2000s. And I bought a big warehouse in the Southern UK to hold all the cassettes and we were shipping them out. So I was kind of restricted when I was doing that. But as soon as everything went digital and it was all about the MP3 downloads and apps, it gave me the freedom to then live anywhere in the world. And as soon as I got that opportunity, I was out of the UK very quickly. You know, I'm very grateful for the UK for giving me the opportunities I had. You know, probably wouldn't have been able to do what I've done here. But it rains all the time. It rains. There's lots of traffic. People are quite angry there. And you know, I needed somewhere where the sun shines. And the people are very laid back and call. And in Portugal, we've got that. It's a great place. Ditto. That's why I'm in California. I totally get it. Sun, great people, cool people, beautiful places to go. It's really interesting to hear you talk about everything going digital and creating that freedom for you. Because that's how I first found you. I don't know how long ago it was. But whenever all of this came about, you had when apps, right, we first got smartphones, we found out about apps. And somehow I did a search. I don't know how I found you. But I found you. I know it was meant to be I downloaded your app, I bought a bunch of your meditations. And it changed my life. And I'll tell you why I think this is really important for people who are looking for hypnotherapy and ways to really release stress and change things in their lives. I am so sensitive that frankly, I don't care for most meditations that are spoken or hypnotherapy. In fact, I find them, they do the opposite. I'm so aware of the person talking and talking and talking that I actually can't relax. Whatever it is you do, and how you do it, and your voice, it would put me in a trance. It was so beautiful. And I just started doing it every single day. And I found that, you know, profound things were happening. Whatever you were saying, and suggesting was taking place. And then the fact of these just sort of like a lake, you know, this pure stillness that I was able to achieve with you for those 30, 40 minutes. So I'm grateful for digital and for finding you. And for what you put out in the world, because your work has had a great effect for me. That's lovely to hear that, you know, it really is. And I think, you know, nowadays, there's so much choice out there, so much variety, isn't there? You know, and it's like somebody can go through a college and get a certificate saying they were a master therapist in a couple of weeks and plug their microphone into their computer and make a meditation recording and upload it. But there's no substitute for the hard work you do to create something that's got real value. And for me, I started as a hypnotherapist 25 years ago. And I wanted to, you know, I literally saw thousands of clients before I made my first recording. So I understood, you know, I became good as a hypnotherapist, you know, I did my apprenticeship, if you like. And then I'd always kept a little recording studio in my house because I've been a musician since I was young. And so I kind of married the two together, my hypnotherapy, sort of knowledge and recording knowledge. And from the off, I was able to make half decent recordings, you know, that they were, you know, good therapy and the technical side was up to scratch. And but I always, you know, I always had a real passion for helping and healing people. Because, you know, just to give you a little bit of my backstory, I was a very delinquent kid, you know, I ran with a bad gang, I got in lots of trouble, I was kicked out of school when I was 15, had no qualifications, you know, very broken home life. And it was kind of what led me into hypnotherapy later on, because I was looking to fix a lot of the dysfunction and the programming and conditioning that I had that was holding me back. So hypnotherapy gave me that opportunity, you know, I suddenly saw a tool that I could change from the inside out, and clear those failure programs. And over time, I did that. And as I said, I became a hypnotherapist. And after a few years, I was getting great results with people. And then when I started making the first recordings, you know, I put a lot of love and good intention into them. And even now, before I record, you know, I've got a really, you know, great Neumann mic and very good equipment to record through. And I'm a bit of a perfectionist now, because so many people listen to the recordings, I really have to be in the zone, you know, sometimes my voice doesn't sound right, I'll go on the mic and now I'm not quite right, you know, and I'm too much in my throat, not in my heart. And so I try to always project from my heart and put the feeling the intention into the recording, because I know people will pick up on that when they listen to them. And, you know, so there's a lot of thought and care in what I do now and, and good intention. So I think yeah, people pick up on that. So it's lovely to hear you say what you said. And, you know, especially if you've listened to a lot of recordings. Yeah, I listened. And then I sort of reject them because they're not going to work. And I mean, I now at this point, I have an old iPod, I still love iPods. I use them for travel and, and I use them for sleep. And occasionally, I just need to pull it out. You know, if I'm agitated, or it's just not happening. But I'll just listen, I've got, I stream a God zillion of yours. And I'm just poof, I'm gone. And I figure when I wake up, like, you know, what a great thing to do, while you, while you body and sleep. So that's very interesting, because I think that's par for the course that people who have a wound and are brave enough to take it on to heal inherently on the other side, when they've received wisdom, you know, they've been changed by virtue of going on this journey to heal their insides, then they have this wisdom and gift to impart. It's almost like you're supposed to go through that to get to the other side. Absolutely. Yeah, that's so true. There's no substitute for having that real life experience and healing yourself from the inside out. And then, you know, being into help others go on that same journey. And they sense it. They know you're not doing it. You're not read it from a textbook. You're doing it from, you know, real life experience. And they connect with you. So yeah, I love that journey. I love helping people, you know, make the break. Did you hypnotize your wife to fall in love with you? Do you know what is there's a funny story with that because she's also a hypnotherapist. So I can never use hypnosis with Nick because she's smart, you know, she gets it. Yeah, you're not, you know, no, Nick's. But she used to listen to my recordings years and years ago when she was quite young. And it was actually through hearing me being mentioned on a TV show that she joined my Facebook fan page. And then yeah, we got chatting. And that was the journey we got, you know, we, we kind of, you know, help each other a lot on that because Nick also makes recording. And actually on Insight Timer, which is the biggest meditation app in the world. We're both, Nick's had great success on there as well. She's had 4 million plays. I've had 6 million. And yeah, there's a lot of synchronicity in what we're doing. But but no, I can never use hypnosis at home, only with the kids. The kids, well, that's got to be very helpful, I'm sure. You know, that genuinely can be my oldest son. He still remembers because when he was young, I just learned, I just became a hypnotherapist. So I used to help him with exams and any challenge he had in his life, I'd, you know, with kids, you use a gentle form of hypnosis, you know, lots of colorful stories with metaphors, that kind of thing. So I was able to really program Lee for big challenges in life and to help him overcome things and exams. And so he never had felt the pressure that a lot of normal kids do, because I kind of use that. And now he's become a hypnotherapist. He's 33 my older boy, and he's a hypnotherapist, and he's, he's brilliant. You know, I don't tend to see clients so much, but I recommend them, I point them to Lee, and he's getting amazing results, you know, straight off the bat, he's not been doing it long, but he's, so we're creating a bit of a dynasty between us all. A hypnotherapy dynasty. Well, you know, I was thinking about you knowing that you were coming on the show and being away. And one of the things here, here's something so interesting that I didn't even piece this together when I'm interviewing Glenn, like it's a perfect question. So I recently I've been going through a lot of limitations, left side of my body, my hip, my leg, my lower back, my right arm, rotator cuff, I'm so over it. I see a really exquisite chiropractor who helps me a lot. And I run cellular frequency. I do lots of stuff, you know, epsom saw bad stretch, but I'm active. I love using my body. And I feel incredibly limited. I am also getting better. But it's by increments. And I'm with a guy who is extremely strong and athletic climbs mountains like a goat and I, because of my physical limitations, I'm having trouble keeping up. So all of that to say, I suddenly thought this weekend, during this eight hour epic camping, hiking trip, I suddenly thought, Oh, I wonder if I went to a hypnotherapist, because there's always that component, that emotions get lodged in the body that are unresolved. And I thought, Hey, I'm willing, what if a hypnotherapist could actually create a shift there? So all of that could be released. And I know, and I'm going to be really honest, I have some even limiting thoughts about age, what Oh, the age I am. And, you know, what happens to the body? It's like, poof. So I wanted to ask you about that. Like, is it possible to get results around things like that? What's possible? Yeah, I mean, what, what kind of thing is holding you back and stopping you from really doing what you want to do? Is it something physical you're holding in the body? Is it some kind of tightness or? Yes, it's extremely tight, actually. And I have had this my not this pain, but I am, I'm able at some level, if you will, to sort of see the matrix of what goes on inside of me. And I will tell you with total transparency, I've had this around my body my whole life. I've always felt very weird in my body, dragging something around and like it doesn't quite work like other bodies, which, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's interesting. You know, that's taken it a bit deeper, isn't it that you're not feeling totally comfortable in your body in that way. You know, so I think yeah, definitely hypnotherapy would help you with that. Because there may be some kind of block there that needs resolving and some kind of integration work, I don't know. But I from what you've said there, yeah, I definitely think you could be helped in that way. I'm trying to think of a client session that I could talk about that's where I've worked on somebody with that kind of issue. But that would be interesting. Yeah, you can you can definitely do that. And, you know, if it is a psychological block, because, you know, tightness in the body is just a message from the brain, isn't it? It's it can be, you know, psychosomatic. And so it's well worth exploring that I would definitely do that. And and Lee is your man. So Lee Harold.com. That's my son. He's awesome. I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm going to do these Skype sessions. And he only started really started doing it since the lockdown. He was seeing clients in person before, but it kind of because of the lockdown, it prompted him to start seeing Skype, people over Skype. And yeah, and he's just now getting busier and busier. He's just got this momentum going. Lee, hold the space for me. And I will let people know because I'm sure people listening have, if it's not something similar, you know, but something in your body or like, what is this? How did you show up? Why are you showing up? Clearly, you're trying to get my attention and complete on some level with that, or it could be, you know, you have a phobia, or you have an addiction, or you have something going on that is not allowing you a full steam ahead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's a if it's an energetic thing, you know, something, you know, trapped in your luminous energy field, if you like, you know, it can be impacting your physical, can't it? And Lee's got that sort of knowledge as well. He's very spiritually minded. He's spent time in India with the Krishna consciousness guys. And so he can work on a multitude of levels. Okay, I just have to get to him before any of the other listeners do. Yeah, he's suddenly, I say he's getting busier all the time. And, you know, it's good. So today we're talking about creating an abundant, prosperous life. And specifically, that being in alignment with spiritual principles. I love that as a primary conversation. It feels really, really delicious right now. During turmoil, it seems to me, sometimes there's great opportunity. And there's also a lot of people who can get quite lost. Tell me, why does this subject appeal to you? And how does it resonate to right now? Well, I think true abundance comes from having that sort of spiritual element to it and that, you know, that ability to give and receive freely. And, and, you know, ultimately, we all want to live abundant, happy lives on this planet. You know, and it's sometimes, you know, with the world like it is at the moment in chaos and there's so much division in the world, it can feel like it's hard to do that. But, you know, I've been doing the work, like I said, you know, I had a very troubled, younger life. And then when I discovered hypnotherapy, I started to really work on abundance, because up until I was in my early 30s, I've been flat broke, I'd lived in rough parts of South London, you know, around, you know, very colorful people and, you know, drove drove old bangers for cars that were always breaking down. And, you know, I got so sick of that life, it was struggle, it was heavy, and it was low vibrational. And, and I wanted out of it, but I just didn't know how. So it was on becoming a hypnotherapist. And then using the law of attraction later on, I started to really transform my life. You know, a lot of the failure programming that I had running, I was able to clear that. And it was almost like you think going into a computer and erasing programs. And that's how I did it systematically. I took out all of this failure programming. And I even remember one time I was in a therapy session, I was having actually having hypnotherapy with someone. And I had this memory, this locked memory that I remember seeing my parents, when I was about five, having this blazing row over money. And they were screaming at each other. And my dad ripped up this money in front of me. And, you know, I was only a little kid. So I'm looking at this. And, you know, that's a powerful program that was ticking over in my unconscious mind. So it was no wonder I was sabotaging things as I got older. But in the hypnotherapy session, I was able to clear that pattern, get rid of it, and just erase the memory and all the emotions that were attached to the memory. And so it was gone. And then you've got I had a clear slate from there on. And so then when I started doing the abundance affirmations, and, you know, I really got into them big time. And I used to be saying, you know, I'm always in the right place at the right time. Abundance comes freely and naturally to me. All of my needs are constantly met. I probably said those affirmations, you know, 100,000 or more times, I just can, you know, I was doing it in the bath. I was doing it when I was driving, I'd have the radio off. And I was also using self hypnosis to really anchor those suggestions in my unconscious. And, and I slowly became more and more abundant, you know, and all of the things that I visualized had a list of goals, you know, I wanted to have a million pound house and wanted to have a villa in Florida. I wanted to drive an Aston Martin. And over time, I got all those things, I manifested those things. I became, you know, more abundant than I could ever have dreamed of. And it was just really through working on my unconscious and planting those abundance affirmations and visualizations and really connecting with my feelings as I was doing that. Because when you do the affirmations, if you really supercharge your feelings and you imagine you're driving the car and living in the house or whatever it is, then you supercharge it. And so that was where I wanted to be. And I got all those things. But for me now, the spiritual aspect is more important because material possessions are nice, but they mean nothing without a conscious life, living consciously and operating from your heart. Because I know a lot of multimillionaires are as mean as they come, you know, and money controls them, they get all their kicks from having power and they're horrible people. I'm sure we've all met someone like that. You know, so true abundance is about having, you know, the opportunities and the money and success, that kind of thing, but also having an open heart and being very generous and, you know, giving and receiving in an equal measure. And so that's, you know, my focus now, you know, that the, you know, developing my consciousness really taking it as high as I can. Can we draw on our passion to magnetize prosperity and abundance? Yeah, I think you can, you know, and I certainly did that, you know, because my passion was, you know, to change my life. And, you know, and I really wanted to do that. I wanted to become abundant and happy. And it seemed very difficult when I was, because I had 30 years on this planet, just struggling and mixing with people that were sort of ducking and diving and coming from a family where it was all about gambling, you know, drinking and, you know, and I did a lot of drugs when I was young. So my vibration was very low. So I really wanted out of that. And so when I found a way out, I got so passionate about being on that path, that abundance path. And I would literally immerse myself in it. I was doing everything I possibly could to create an abundant life. And it seemed hard to, I couldn't have imagined living the life I'm at now. And, you know, sometimes I get old acquaintances or friends that I knew 35 years ago, I mixed with them, you know, and they've been in prison and come out of prison and they can't believe I'm writing books and doing this. And, you know, so it reminds me sometimes how far I've come from my old life. And it really has just been from the work I've done. Without doing the inner work, I would never have got the breaks I got, the opportunities I've had. And because what you do when you work on that and you start to raise your vibration, the law of attraction works much more effectively because your affirmations, your projections are so much clearer, you know, when you've got a higher vibration. And for me, that's the journey. And I'm a work in progress like everyone is. I'll still be doing this work when I'm 90. You know, I've never met anyone who's sorted and worked out, you know, we're all on the journey. One of your passions is music. You're a musician. I've seen photos of you on stage playing with your band. Super exciting. How does that passion come into play here? And did you use hypnotherapy to release yourself as a musician, get better as a musician? Well, I suppose my career as a musician came before I became a hypnotherapist, because up until I became a hypnotherapist, I'd been, you know, in different bands and had sort of varying degrees of success. But never quite had the big hits and, you know, took off and never made enough money for long enough to live off of it. So I ended up on the cabaret circuit, you know, doing bars and restaurants, that kind of thing. And then it was one night sharing the bill with us. We shared the bill with the stage hypnotist and I had an epiphany. I saw this guy doing his thing. I saw the power of hypnosis up close. And I didn't want to do the staging. I wanted to do the healing thing. You know, I was into healing. And so that's what prompted me to become a hypnotherapist and to train in there. So then once I became a hypnotherapist, the whole thing started to take off, you know, and I did start to become abundant. So my focus was really in that direction. So now the musical side of things is a sideline. I occasionally released songs. I've got, I released a couple of songs with a singer about two or three years ago. And so every now and again, I take a break from hypnotherapy and, you know, write a few songs and release them. But it's a kind of, and I've no, you know, I still love to have a number one hit, you know, it's an old ambition. And I still, I always say, right, I'm going to go into this, whatever happens is, you know, the divine's plan. I've not got any ambition, but I do, once I get into it and write the song, I want it to be a hit. But it still is so far. You know, I've sold 10 million meditations, but I've never had a hit song. I'd still love that one opportunity. But I'm very grateful with where I'm at, you know, I can't kind of, well, you can have everything, you can. I shouldn't say that. Yeah, whatever you want, you know, concurrent careers, that's phenomenal. I'm definitely going to have to listen to one of your songs now. So I would like to understand more the spiritual and the natural laws of abundance. Are there laws that operate like a recipe to success that you can share with us? Yeah, well, I think the biggest one for me was that when I got clearer and I got rid of a lot of the failure programming and the limiting self beliefs through working on my unconscious, I then had this blank slate and, you know, I also really was immersed in spirituality as well. You know, as I got into my hypnotherapy career, I really started to open up in that way and I went down to Panama and spent four months at a shamanic retreat. I experienced, yeah, an amazing time down there with a shame and with my wife. And also experienced a number of ayahuasca ceremonies, worked with the plant medicine and really got clear with that. I had some powerful, powerful ceremonies that just, you know, cleared this old, old programming and one of them that relates to abundance was, and you know, what you've asked me there was that I in one of my early ayahuasca ceremonies, I was really, really deep, you know, I was so deep in the medicine and journey and with it. And I had this thing that came up where my patriarchal lineage, I was seeing like my dad, my grandfather, his father, as like the, in the rocks around much, Mount Rushmore. So, you know, the presidents are there. Well, I was seeing my patriarchal downline, you know, my grandparents and so on and so on. And it was such a strange thing, but they were kind of communicating with me and saying, look, keep doing what you're doing because you're clearing a lot of family karma. And, and I was getting this and really, you know, it was an amazing experience. And, and I got it. I totally understood it because there had been money in the family, but it had never been passed down. And it had all been made in sort of, you know, not the, not the most righteous ways, if you like, you know, my granddad was a bookmaker, a boxer, you know, ducked and dive. And, you know, it was a tough, tough guy who made his living ducking and diving. So that I was getting the message, look, keep doing what you're doing because you're doing it in a heart centered way. You're kind of doing it in the right way. And clearing the family karma. So that kind of blew me away. And then when I came out of the ceremony, I researched what I'd experienced. And I found that that was a natural byproduct of plant medicine, that you get those messages from your family lineage. And I didn't know that when I was getting the message. So it wasn't like my mind was tricking me into it. It felt really authentic and real. And so that was it, you know, and since that time, I've tried to take my authenticity if you like up another level, you know, with every kind of dealing that I ever do. I never work with anyone that I don't feel an alignment with or I don't resonate with or it's never, never now about the money. I'd rather make a million straight than a 10 million dodgy. You know, there's no pleasure in that at all. And so I tried to do everything I can from a really authentic place and not let my ego trick me or play games. I think that's what the plant medicine does. It gives you that authenticity. It really clears away a lot of the shadow stuff that you can't always see. You can't always see it and it's powerful. And yeah, I've met someone recently who does ceremonies out here and I'm going to journey again, because I've traveled around a little bit the last couple of years we have as a family and now we're settled. So I feel ready for more ceremonies and to get clearer. That's wonderful. Have you done San Pedro or just ayahuasca? San Pedro and micro doses, but not the full experience. And that's something I always feel a strong connection with ayahuasca because I know more about it than some of the other sort of medicines that come from different places around the world. But yeah, that's that's the calling. I think you're you get called. They say the medicine calls you when you're ready. For me, it's always been ayahuasca. Yeah, 100%. I had so much judgment about it. Somebody had invited me in a you know, like a year ago or more. And I was like, What? Why would I do that? That's so strange drink something for four days. And yeah, and then two months later, boom, I had the calling and I just had to start following energy and going to different countries. And oh, it's so prevalent in my life now. We do journeys here. We well, I guess I can't say too much. But we harvested some of our own San Pedro and had those experiences and even, you know, while camping, did mushrooms and which we're considering medicine at this point, because it's been so profound. Yeah, yeah. It's incredible, isn't it? These are gifts, you know, the gifts from the design, the divine, aren't they? You know, if you think ayahuasca is a combination of a vine and a plant that's indigenous to certain parts of South America. And, you know, in jungles where there are thousands of plants, the shamans knew, always knew that it was those two plants in combination that gave you this incredible spiritual journey and the opportunity to clear and heal. And yeah, it's a wonderful journey. And I think, yeah, it sounds like you're on a similar path where you just have this calling to use this life in such a productive way to get clearer and lighter. And, you know, for me, I sometimes joke that I don't want to incarnate into a 3D world into the same family with all the baggage again. I want to get as clear as I can. So, you know, I'm ascending to a higher vibrational place. Hopefully that's how it all works. We'll find out. I can't wait. Well, this is so beautiful. Thank you for opening up about that. I also think it's very profound path for those who are called to it. And so within all of that, and I agree with you so much in the shadow work, what is possible to release as well as what is impossible, what is possible to invite in conversations with the divine, healings on the body and the emotions. I mean, it's spectacular. What about managing money? Because I also think there are different components to money there is receiving, allowing, bringing in, making your jar, if you will, bigger and bigger. But there's also the ones we have the money, how we manage it, because there's some people who just piss it away, right? So quickly, I had it. Now I'm in the same soup again. How can we manage money? Is there a system in order to work for us? That's a really good question because it's, you know, a lot of the time, you know, I used to think when I got money, then life sorted, you know, I've got everything I want, I can have what I want, travel where I want. And that's a lot of that's true. But then there's also the thing of managing it, like you say, and looking after it, you know, because when you've got it, it's easy to, you know, you can have sabotage programs running there that will blow opportunities. And, you know, I mean, I actually did. I had a cup, I had sabotage patterns where I was attracting people that were ripping me off. And, and it was really, it happened a couple of times. And, you know, I think this is where your consciousness comes in. And, and if you see a pattern in your life, you then look at it, you know, rather than feeling victimized about it, you start to think, well, why is this happening? What is in me that's attracting this energy? And I went into it, I went into that and looked at it and there was something in me that was attracting these people that, yeah, were ripping me off. And, you know, I wasn't on the face of it, it all seemed very good. And, you know, but as I got into things, I was, you know, vulnerable. And, and it was a feeling that I couldn't trust people. I had this lack of trust issue that came from my childhood. And it was only when I cleared that I was able to clear that belief system and that programming from my unconscious mind that that pattern then resolved itself. And I didn't attract these people anymore. So it's really important to be aware of that kind of thing. And also as you said, you know, how do you manage money? Well, another thing that's really, you know, a gift that you've got is your intuition. And your intuition is never better at guiding you than when you need to make a big decision with money. You know, is this the right house to buy? Is this the right investment? And I've always meditated on that. So when I've, you know, decided, do I buy crypto now? Do I buy gold now? What's the right time? I would meditate on that. And I go deep inside and I'd allow my intuition to guide me. And it's never, ever failed me in that way. And, you know, conversely, when I've used my mind to try and think of an opportunity is this, you know, right way. And I'm just using the conscious part of my mind. It's let me down a few times. So I would say, always, always use your intuition to guide you to navigate the way through the waters. You know, is this the right decision? And, you know, I've always been, and I've been so lucky. I've been so opportunistic. Things have come to me at the right time, the right place. I've met the right people. But as I said to you at the beginning, that was my affirmation. I'm always in the right place at the right time. Abundance comes freely and naturally to me. And that's, that's happened. So the use your intuition, your inner resources to really guide you. Yeah, that discernment is really interesting to me. One thing that I've noticed that creates a lot of limitations or sabotage for people also is when they don't have money for a period of time. And there is that needing to let go of, Oh, I can't get this right now. Maybe later, I can't do that right now. And it builds. And then suddenly, I've seen people have money come into money. And then boom, I wanted that. I need to buy this. There's this flurry of purchases to make up for all that time of not having. And then the diminishment is rather quick. It's like the soul has been hungry for so long. And suddenly there's a buffet and they're, you know, picking out gouging. Yeah. Right. And, you know, on the one hand, it's like, Oh, the relief of finally acquiring and giving oneself what you feel like you wanted or needed. Sometimes I'm sure there's need in their requirement. And then at the same time, it's there's just so much going on that everything you've just finally gotten is moving away just as rapidly as it came in. Yeah. And that can be sabotage patterns again. It can be that you suddenly come into money and you think you don't deserve it on some level. It can be that. So there can be the sabotage thing going on. And yeah. And the materialistic acquisitions, you know, that's something that can get hold of you, you know, you can, you know, because I remember, you know, when I got my Aston Martin for the first time, suddenly, you know, everywhere you go, people look at you and I kind of had to get it out my system. You know, I had to go have a couple of years of that, you know, and and experience it to realise that material possessions mean nothing if you haven't got, you know, your, you know, your heart in the right place and abundance in your, you know, abundance of love in your life. And, you know, it sounds cliched, but it's true, you know, it's you've got a, you know, balance, you have the work right balance in your life, you know, have the abundance and the material success, but also work on your spirituality and your, you know, your relationships and that kind of thing. That's something that I balanced it out after a couple of years, you know, I was, I remember having a, having the car and really enjoying that, enjoying the material side of it. But I knew I'd been on the spiritual path for long enough then to know that it wasn't the be all and end all, you know, there's a lot more to life than just having a fancy car. And it was gradual for me. You know, I spent so long broke and been really humbled when I was younger. You know, really humble in experiences and in at the bottom of the heap driving a mini cab around the West End, you know, at nighttime and I met some real weird and wonderful characters there. You know, it was a bit like the sort of Robert De Niro film, you know, the taxi driver. And I'm glad I had those experiences because it taught me a lot. And, you know, it did give me a humility. So when I started to get the success, you know, I've had the success in recent years, it's been a good balance to have that start and, you know, to come to come gradually into this more abundant life. And that that idea that you are talking about, which I think comes into play with everything you just talked about, including love, if we were to use our intuition will be well guided. And in theory, that's beautiful. But what do you use specifically? So when you go into meditation, can you talk us through a bit, how you use it, how you set yourself up in a field so that your truth can come forward? Yeah, I think, you know, when you go into a state of meditation, you're, you're accessing the greater part of your mind. You know, if you think of it, we're the only species on the planet, planet that doesn't use all of its mind all the time, all of its brain all the time, I should say, you know, we I've got this huge resource that, you know, we drop down into when we go to sleep, or when we use self hypnosis or meditation, we drop down into that greater part of the mind. And if you think of an iceberg, that's a good analogy, the conscious mind is the bit above the surface. And then you've got this huge resource below. And you know, when I've been in that state, through meditation, self hypnosis or plant medicine, I've had these massive revelations and I've tapped into the sort of creative genius inside me that we've all got. Everyone's got this genius part of themselves that you access when you're in these altered states of consciousness. And so for me, if ever I'm stuck in life, or I'm not feeling very creative, or, you know, I need to know which way to go in life, I always go down into that state, I drop down into a deep state and ask for my creativity and my intuition to guide me. And when you do that, you always get pointed in the right way, you know, because, yeah, who knows, you know, we're also, I believe, we're being helped and guided by, you know, our helpers and angels and, you know, light forces, light beings that are with us in this life and are here to assist us. So you can also access that, you know, in these deeper states of consciousness. So I love it. And I use it, I still use it all the time when I need guidance. I love that. And I'm thinking about something you and I shared together before the show even started. And we were talking about light versus darkness right now and a lot of choices right now about where we can live. So interesting, you bring that up, because my boyfriend and I have decided to watch Star Wars from the very beginning through, which has been fascinating. Yeah. Of course, it's all about that, the force, the light versus the darkness. And yeah, when you're talking about asking, please bring me my creativity, bring me my intuition to guide me right now. I'm just feeling into also the ability to say and bring me the light, bring me the light to guide me and to show me light and right for me for my path. Yeah, that's another great question, because, you know, at the moment, we, you know, there's all this craziness in the world, isn't there? You know, you've got the government saying these great, you know, they're getting more and more mad every day. And it's hard to know what's what's right. You know, you look at, you know, I go down the rabbit hole sometimes and look deep into that. And, you know, there's even people divided down the rabbit hole, you know, believe one thing and if the Q and non stuff that's got to be a lot of profile now, there's so much information, you've got counter conspiracy in the middle that's all very confusing and muddy in the waters. And, you know, it's no wonder people are feeling a lot of fear and anxiety. And, you know, it's a very unusual world, a world that we couldn't have imagined even in January, you could if somebody had told you what the world that we're going to be living in now in January, we'd have thought they were a conspiracy nut job, because it's gone so crazy. And if to me, as we talked about earlier, it feels like there's a battle in this world between dark forces and light forces. And it's a power struggle. You know, and, you know, they're battling it in a lot of different ways, you know, there's so many things going on that. And it's hard to, you know, see the truth in it all see what's going on. But, you know, I think that's a really good point you made there. If you always, always align yourself with the light, that's like a safety place, that's a place you go to to feel safe and know that you're, you know, kind of in a you're being held in a very safe space. And I always remember, actually, it's a good analogy for, you know, when you experience ayahuasca, because somebody said to me that if ever you journey and you feel lost and you feel scared and you're in a dark place, a light go back into your heart energy, you know, get into your heart and connect to the feeling of love, because that will bring you back to a safe place. And so, you know, if you're, if you're really freaking out when you're experiencing plant medicine, go to your heart and you'll feel safe. It will bring you back and it will, you're being in the right place. And I think the world is like that at the moment. So if you all, if you work on your heart energy and, you know, use meditations that put you in your heart, then you'll be in that safety space. And, you know, you don't have to think about anything or do anything when you're there, just be in that space, you know, with an open heart. And sometimes I do that, I get people into that space just by getting them to breathe really slowly and deeply, clear their conscious mind of all thought, drop down into that space and, and then focus on someone that you love unconditionally. And for me, it's my kids, you know, I adore my kids with every cell and fiber, you know, like good people do, you know, normal people do, you know, so I get into that space and I feel my heart opening when I focus on my kids. And, you know, and then I amplify it, I just magnify it. And I think of them doing lovely things and me playing with them and all that kind of stuff. And my heart just opens more and more. And that's how I do it. I get into that really safe, nurturing space. And I just sometimes stay in that for a length of time. And when I come back out of that, I feel so good, you know, the world feels so different. I've raised my vibration and, you know, the lower frequencies in the world are not affecting me. And that's it, I think. So to align yourself with high vibrational things, people, you know, so eat super healthy. For me, I'm totally vegan. I exercise a lot. You know, I keep my energy as clear as I can. Nicola, my wife, she's sage is the house every day and just mantra music playing all the time. And, you know, be mindful of what you watch, what you read, what you listen to, because, you know, that can either raise your vibrational lower air. You know, I don't have any news in the house. I haven't watched the news for ages. And if ever I flick it on, it just seems like a noise to me. You know, it's just this fear coming out the TV. And I think, and I'm so far removed from it. I can, I just look at it and it can't connect with it at all. It just seems like these other people just making a noise. Yeah. I love what you were sharing going into your heart and trusting the journey, whatever it is, whether it's the world or a plant medicine journey. One thing I was told that I always, well, two things actually that I hold on to. And I think it is applicable to journeys in life right now. And that is if it is coming, just remember it's also going. So you can breathe through anything. It is not permanent, right? And the other thing is the first time I did medicine was, oh my God, this man is such an exquisite musician. And he would read poetry, Rumi, which like for all of us, we were just done. It was so beautiful. And he would say, if something happens that makes you feel frightened or anxious or out of control, let's breathe and listen to the music. Breathe and listen to the music. It will always guide you through, you know, coming out of the moment. And we're always safe, really. Yeah, that's that's amazing. It sounds your experience was similar to mine because the first time my journey it was with a guy in the UK called Ali Calderwood, who's an amazing musician, really, really gifted. And I was going to go down to Peru. I was, you know, so drawn to it. I was heading down there. But it happened to me. Ali was doing a concert down in Brighton, which is kind of a hippie sort of community in the UK. And he said he had a ceremony on Saturday. And I loved these me I fell in love with his music the first time I heard it. It was really powerful. You know, it's very psychedelic and trippy, but it was all he used to write it for the ceremonies. So it was very tuned to the medicine and he'd spent time in Peru with the shamans down there. And you know, the medicine he got coming over was from a really pure source. And the first time I heard his music was in ceremony and I was so deep. And I was journey and I was in these crystal palaces. I was in a really blissful part of the journey because you have blissful times and you also have very dark frightening times. You know, you go on that whole journey. But I was in a blissful state and I heard his music and and it just blew me away. It was like nothing I'd ever heard before. And and I also heard the Devi prayer. You know, the Devi prayer by Craig Prues. It's quite a it's quite a well-known track that gets played a lot. And I'd I'd never heard it before. It was the first time in ceremony. I'd heard it and it's this amazing mantra, amazing charm. And it was about four a.m. And I was on this journey and I heard this music and it just nailed me to the floor. It was just blissful. It was incredible. And I actually spoke to number of years later. I told Craig this story. I told him that my first time I heard that track was in a ceremony was like elated that his music had been, you know, connected with someone on that level. You know, he was so pleased because he kind of written it when he was in a higher state of consciousness. And yes, it's quite incredible. You know, music is a powerful part of these journeys. And you know, in my meditations, I was always very conscious of that using music that really, you know, connected with what I was saying and enhanced what I was saying. And, you know, and a little story about that was when after I'd spent a number of ceremonies with Ali Calderwood, you know, who ran the ayahuasca ceremonies, we made a series of sulfagio meditation recordings and the sulfagio tones, the sacred tones that were recently discovered by Dr. Len Horowitz and another doctor, I forget his name. And they'd recently rediscovered the tones and these were sacred tones that Gregorian monks used to chant to invoke certain states. So for example, 396 hertz was a frequency they used to dispel feelings of guilt and fear. So, and the 528 hertz tone is the love tone. It's in the heart and it opens the heart up and it's actually biochemists now use that 528 hertz frequency to repair DNA. So the tones were very, very special. Myself and Ali, we scripted a number of meditations around each tone. He created the music, I spoke the meditation and we created these powerful recordings and we get amazing feedback on them. I'll have to send you, I'll send you some of them. Oh. And we even, Dr. Len Horowitz wrote to us and said, I've heard your sulfagio tones and they're the real deal. He said, I've heard a lot of other ones, you know, yours are spot on the money. And he actually saw, at the time we were selling cassettes and he used to buy a cassettes of them and resell them. So that was a great endorsement that we created something magical, you know. And yeah, I'll send them over to you because they do get amazing feedback. I'm honored, thank you. You know, I come from a very musical family and a deep musical background myself. And so I've always felt strongly that, I've always said I actually experience life through the filter of music. That's the best way I can describe what it's like to be me. And I feel where there are often no words in the language to describe things, that's where music takes over. Just another expressive language. You play. Yeah, well, I was actually an extraordinary violinist for a long time and I played guitar but mostly I was a professional singer for a long time. Yeah, from a very musical family, brother, Grammy award-winning, mother, grandfather. Wow, wow. And music and so forth. It was sort of a flood. Do you still, do you still have the calling? Do you still do it? You never stopped, do you really? Yeah, you never stop. You know, when I got into radio, I had to make a hard choice. I was starting in radio originally and then writing books and I was in a band. I was the lead singer in a band and we had gigs all the time and I just, it takes work. You know, just so people know, you don't suddenly jump up on stage and there you are. I was constantly working on my music and my vocal muscles and it was a lot in rehearsals and I finally made the hard decision. I had to let go of the band. I didn't have to, I chose because this was an amazing path opening up for me and I'm deeply grateful I followed it. It was exactly correct. And it was a number of years but I would say in the last couple of years after I had this mindset, oh, I can't sing anymore, it's been too long and it's like, of course you can. And I have been singing more and more and I love it. I love the expression of the voice and instruments and the sounds that things can make and that level of creativity and expression out in the world. So yes, more and more I'm opening for that. Yeah, to have a voice is a gift because I could never sing. I always had a voice like a Foghorn. But ironically, my voice has become my fame and fortune. I'm through the meditations, it works on that level but I could never sing and it was always a frustration. And when I was first in a band, the singer was a really naturally good singer. He just had a gift and so yes, it's one of those things and I was never a naturally gifted musician. I had to kind of work and I'm still so-so but my gift was I was, I feel I was a good songwriter. I did win song competitions and did well and that was my, but it was always a bit of a frustration not being able to sing the songs and really deliver. I was always reliant on finding other people to do that and that was always a bit hit and miss, finding the right singers. So yeah, but I still love it. And I partnered up with a fellow hypnotherapist who's a great singer a couple of years ago and he sang a few of my songs and we wrote a couple of songs together and it was a good journey. And we're still open to working together again. So when things settle down a bit with my hypnotherapy work, I'm gonna step back into that. You never lose it, it's just a love. You never lose it, right. And I just wanna speak to something you said because I had such a gift as a child growing up in this extreme musical accomplished family is like, I wanna say, and then there was me because music theory, I took it four times and it was as though I was dyslexic. I just couldn't, it was so painful learning piano, so painful. There was a lot in that, that people who are more scientific and mathematical actually are genius at comprehending. My grandfather, God bless him, who was just a world-renowned author and inventor and music teacher, went around the world talking about this. He was a deeply hilarious, sensitive man and he would say to me because he could see my frustration. I couldn't get it like the rest of my family and he gave me Debbie. There are technicians in music and yes, that's a genius, but then there are people like you who are deeply in their heart and deeply feeling. You, my dear, feel music. You hear music and you can replicate music or put it through your filter. And it was such a gift he gave me to take that onus off of my shoulder of comparison and to recognize I have my own gift. It doesn't look, yes, it would be awesome to have theory run through my veins and understand things that still to this day don't click, but I feel music and from that space I give the music back out into the world. And I- It's how you express through your feelings. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? It's left brain, right brain, isn't it? You know, if you're more left brain dominant, you tend to be more analytical and scientific and it's funny, my middle son who's five, he's picking up the piano already and he's got a very good memory, you know, so we can show him something on the piano and he plays it back and he's only five. You know, I could never do that. My oldest son could never do that. He's more like me, you know, kinesthetic. So it's interesting, that's an important distinction, isn't it, to make that we've all got our own ways of taking on board information and expressing it, you know, and it's different in everyone. So, and it's always this, why the sort of mainstream school system doesn't work because it teaches kids a certain way and, you know, I didn't fit into the school at all. So I just rebelled and I got kicked out when I was very young and never, never fitted in at all. And, you know, I thought I was stupid because I wasn't, you know, but it's just I had gifts that came out in a different way later on. It was, you know, it took me a time to find my feet. So that, that's the thing. And, you know, we're lucky now, myself and my wife who've got that consciousness around our kids. So we would, you know, we'll guide them and lead with their own gifts. You know, their gifts will guide them and we'll nurture them that way. We're not going to push them in any direction. It's conscious living, isn't it? Conscious parenting. And that's another way you're changing the lineage, right? Yeah, exactly. You're doing the cleaning work, which is very profound for everyone who has come before you and their gratitude for what you're doing. And now, even into the movement forward of what happens afterwards, that you are creating a whole different paradigm with your children. I think that's really beautiful and normal. Yeah. Breaking the cycle, you know, the family cycle, breaking the karma. We joke sometimes. We say we want to incarnate into their down line. That's great. Because myself and my Nicola, she was born in East London in a place called Dagenham. And anyone from the UK listening, they'll know Dagenham is not the most quaint little village in the UK, should we say? You know, it's a rough part of London. I was born in Ballum, which is on the West Side, and that's a rough place, you know? And, you know, so, and we incarnated into not conscious families, you know? And Adda took the hard route, you know, both had not breakdowns, but tough times where, you know, then came out of it. And now we've got this consciousness and we've got these two little kids, so we're nurturing them. So, yeah, we want to incarnate into their down line. You know, the work we're doing now, there's got to be a payback, isn't there? Yes. Oh, without a doubt, you know, from that darkness, too, we become the light to put out into the world. And I think that's really powerful to take something that could have become different. You could have chosen, much like you said, the folks you're still in touch with who went to prison, you could have continued the darkness, but that's a pretty neat path for your soul to choose. It's like, against all odds, I'm going this way. Gonna forge a path that's new. I think it's a sole choice, isn't it? You know, somebody once said to me that we make a pact with the divine when we come into this life to walk a certain path and, you know, to maybe clear more calmer than, you know, if we're gonna be brave, then we'll clear more calmer and go through some darker times to come out the other side. You know, I think there's no guarantee you do come out the other side, because I could have, you know, when I was 17, I drank myself to oblivion and I had hepatitis. I woke up one morning and I was yellow. And, you know, that could have destroyed my life. You know, maybe it was a blessing that it happened to me at 17 because I had, you know, I had to stop drinking after that. And then, you know, from there, I started to, you know, go on a more positive, I joined a band after that and got on a more positive path. But maybe if I'd, you know, because my family are still drinkers, you know, the lot of them are still boozers when I get together with them, that's all they wanna do, you know? So maybe if I hadn't had that breakdown at that and had hepatitis, I would have carried on the family life and, you know, just been a big drinker now, I don't know. You know, so sometimes you have to go through those tough experiences to come out the other side and start rebuild, rebuild and... Yeah. You know, I had... Sorry. No. Finish your thought, please. Yeah, I think it's a soul choice. I think on a soul level, you know, I think we know what to do. We know where we've gotta go. And, you know, even at the darkest times I've had in this life, I never was too bad. I'd always wanted to do good in the world. I just didn't know how to. I was just very, very stuck. So my soul was pulling me towards the light, if you like. It was pulling me in that direction. And, you know, I think it's the soul choice, ultimately. You know, and yeah, you have to follow that ultimately. I had a very interesting experience a couple of days ago. I shared we were doing mushrooms on this epic hike in a place that was so magical. And it was insane that we were the only ones there, but this was meant to be. And as soon as I came on, and it was pretty strong coming on, it was this incredible heaviness. And somehow, for whatever reason, the information that came up for me was, I also grew up in a really interesting home, incredibly unstable and not nurturing. And I just realized the sadness of how unsafe I felt growing up. And how much that has colored my whole life. I mean, it was like a mantle of heaviness when I just acknowledged it to myself. And the next thought I had was like, well, life isn't like that anymore, Deb. So why don't we just move on from here? And then this voice of wisdom came and said, you've been doing that your whole life. Why don't you just feel what it felt like to be? Oof, it's like emotional to be that unsafe growing up. Just be in this for yourself a breath to allow that to course through you. Cause it is true. It's exactly what it was like for you. We don't have to pretend otherwise. We don't have to positive way, affirm it away. You can just be in the truth of what you went through as a kid. And I just breathed into it and allowed whatever that was. You know, I had some tears coming up and just like the oof, it was incredible, the heaviness. And what I love about allowing things like that is the unexpected transmutation that occurs. Because I think the concern of why we try to wish things away or change our mindset is because I'll be in this forever. And the truth, we allow it. I just know for me, when I allow it, that's when this transportation happens. It's like energy is energy and like poof. And I have to tell you, I was almost peeing in my pants the rest of the day because everything then was hilarious to me after that. Like everything was so funny and light and I was laughing like constantly. I was having really the best time and plus the amazing and about the beauty around me. And I think that's, this is profundity in that, right? About the darkness coming up but it actually is coming up to be healed and being a brave person in the family system to take this shit on, if you will. Like I'm gonna brave this crap that my whole family's been going through. Probably everybody hasn't felt safe and like let's just be with this for a minute. Yeah, and that's the wisdom. Knowing that when it came up in you, you worked with it, you went with it and you processed it and you experienced it now from an adult perspective, an adult conscious perspective. When you were a kid, you tried to make sense of that not feeling safe, that unsafe environment from a child's perspective. So being able to re-experience it from an adult conscious perspective is a massive way to heal and purge it. And that's amazing. And that's what really good therapy is all about. You know, what an amazing experience. And you know, queued us to the mushrooms for bringing that on. Totally. And if it's coming, it's going. If it's coming, it's going. Just remember, breathe and listen to the music. Even if it's before us singing to you. You know, you got this really more than you know you've got this. So Glenn, what amazing conversation, wow. Yeah, I've loved it. I've loved it too so much. I knew this would be wonderful, but this was even beyond. So I'm so grateful. This is Dare to Dream. I am really curious. What are you next, Dare to Dream? So sorry, I think I was in somewhere else then. Yeah, I think I was thinking about the mushrooms. I've got it, got it. Because it's funny, I haven't done mushrooms for a long, long time. I did them when I was young, but it was always from an unconscious place. You know, we just did them to kind of get out of it but now we're doing it from a conscious place. I'm drawn to that. So sorry about that. Yeah, so what do I dare to dream? At the moment, I suppose it's to continue to live a more abundant, happy, prosperous life and to really continue to work on my shadow and my things that come up. And that's in the relationship I've got with Nick and my relationship with my kids. I wanna nurture them and bring them into a wonderful, prosperous, abundant life as well and be their support and that kind of thing. So it's really, because I've experienced so many highs recently and not sort of highs that come from status or money or anything like that. Highs from the heart. And it's funny, my son and my oldest son, as I said, he's part of the Krishna consciousness group and he said he's been chanting in a forest somewhere in Hungary and he phoned me up and he said, I had this amazing experience. I was chanting for three hours in the forest with the Christians. We were drumming and playing the music and he said, I tasted the nectar and the Krishna guys call it nectar when you have that utter bliss, you know, you're in these higher dimensions and I've experienced that and I've tasted that recently again and I wanna experience more of that. And so that's the dream. That's where I wanna continue to try and move towards. And you know, even in this dark world, we can do that. Especially in this dark world, we should do that. If you would like more folks, glenherald.com, G-L-E-N-N-H-A-R-R-O-L-D.com and also if you'd like his free gift highly recommended, he's giving you one of his hypnosis, mindfulness meditations for free. Just find the track and the link. It is in the notes on youtube.com slash debbie dashinger as well as Apple podcasts and all the other radio stations and sites that we are on. And is there anything you'd like to say here at the end, glen? I think just, you know, thank you for a lovely interview. I've really enjoyed it. And, you know, it sounds like we've had similar paths, you know, being musicians and that feeling unsafe as a kid, all that kind of stuff. And yeah, I think for anyone listening, just know that, you know, this is a golden opportunity this life. You know, we incarnate into this life to, you know, have the opportunity to clear so much and to be the best version of ourself we can possibly be to raise our vibration, expand our consciousness. And that's the real gift. That's the opportunity that, you know, we can leave such a mark in the world in a positive way with our family, clear our family karma, all of that stuff. So it's a golden opportunity this life. And I think that's the overriding message. Thank you so much. And I end the show with this quote from Deepak Chopra, receiving is as necessary as giving to graciously receive is an expression of the dignity of giving. Those who are unable to receive are actually incapable of giving, giving and receiving are different aspects of the flow of energy in the universe. Subscribe to this number one transformational conversation dare to dream and leave us a review so other people can find the show who need to listen and follow along being part of the tribe. Next upcoming guest on the show is Daryl Anka. Daryl Anka channels Bashar, who's a multi-dimensional being who speaks through Daryl. It'll be his second time on the show. And remember for all you dear to dreamers out there, don't just dare to dream, dare to create all your dreams into your reality. And if you need any assistance, you've now got a friend in Glenn Harold, listen to his hypnosis recordings and you'll see what they can do for you at glennharold.com. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks.