 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this sexy episode. Is it sexy? Of mind pump The first 48 minutes we do our introductory current events Conversation we start off got to drop some toilet paper knowledge on y'all We started off by talking about the science That's right of toilet paper, you know avoid that itchy asshole I get the the moniker of the science guy on mind pump not when we talk about toilet paper Adam is the genius there We also we also talk about Adam's the one time he quit his job because it was too fucking hard for him Haha, get out of here. He was a beehive mover We talk about this stubborn children. I had a wonderful experience this morning with my daughter We talk about Canelo Alvarez's positive test for Clen Buterall. This is a performance Not a steroid of choice. It's a performance. I don't know not enhancing drug I don't know why it's considered one, but what an idiot for taking that he says it was in his chicken We talk about the rise in teen depression and the use of smartphones people psychologists actually think they're connected now It's kind of scary talk about controlling electronic use and then we talked about ordering products From Thrive Market and I did that with my kids now We are sponsored by Thrive Market if you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump And you can get one month free membership $20 off your first three orders of $49 or more and Free shipping then we get into the questions now the first question was what are our thoughts on the recent study on protein powders They did this this this consumer report study that went and tested a bunch of protein powders and found that most of them were contaminated with heavy metals and Pesticides and all kinds of crazy shame And so I got all angry and I contacted Organifi some of the top organic products in the business Yeah, and I I contacted them pretty disappointed and I share with you guys What they told us about their products now Organifi is I'm on I did will go ham if you go to Organifi shop calm enter the code mind pump You will get a discount the second question is what is the best approach? To bulking Adam actually gives two examples if I was bulking and if Justin was bulking what would he do? With both of us would not let me have pizza The next question was what's the best way to incorporate big lift variations into a program You know like trap bar deadlifts front squats other types of lifts that look like those core lifts How do you put those in a program in an intelligent and effective way? Finally the last question was what are our thoughts on the new study that came out showing that caffeine inhibits adaptation that was induced by high intensity interval type workouts in other words Does taking caffeine? Reduce the stamina and endurance you can build from your training his coffee fucking your results. Don't tell me that I know It's kind of crazy. Also this month one of my favorite giveaways. We do this one every once in a while It's by far my favorite one. We are giving away free access to our forum Normally, you got to pay for that you get in there for free. 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I just read to itunes at mind pump media comms and your shirt size They're shipping address and I'll get that right out to you two thoughts one on Adam one on Justin So I went came in went to the bathroom, and I know how much Adam you hate. I Know one of the things in the world. I hate the most the most there's like There's like three things in the world that you hate more than anything One would be like a dirty ass inauthentic lazy people. That's one of them The other one is like people who treat animals and children terribly like you hate that terrible And then like one of the top three is like single-ply toilet paper. Yes And that arguably could be number one. It's why up there way up there So this they don't even have I don't even think this is single-ply. It's just like half This is the oh, wow. It's starting to annoy you even I use your fingers broke I got the technique. I have single-ply at home. This is not single-ply. This is Almost like half-ply construction paper toilet paper. Yeah, so Katrina paper machete Katrina disintegrates in your guys His relationships. Who's the saver? Who's like who's like always trying to save 25 cents on something Do you is at the relationship? Who's the one who's more frugal? Oh God was more frugal. We're pretty even are you guys? Yeah, oh wow you guys pretty well Katrina's for sure the frugal one you probably more so yeah Katrina's always trying to save a dollar and I'd like there's certain things like Don't go cheap on me like my toothpaste my stuff my toilet paper There's certain things that like my deodorant like that's don't move don't mess with that I don't care if it's a dollar more today, you know what's gonna happen dude Justin I just realized right now. Well, so let's say all our dreams come true. Mine pup explodes We're just fucking making tons of my mind. I'm gonna explode it yet. Let's you know Let's say it's really explodes like we like we're just making all this money, right? It's like oh my god What am I gonna do with all this money? You know what Adam's gonna do, right? It's just a pile right here in front of us, you know, he's gonna do right He's gonna he's not gonna use toilet paper anymore. He's fucking he's gonna have a mando's no It's gonna be a mink. Oh like he's gonna buy mink like squares mink. Yeah like a mink coat You know like that's soft super you ever feel a mink. Yeah, and he's just gonna and then throw it away Actually Ultra ultra soft like I'm not like there's like three ply now. It's that's all you know what it's overkill Yeah, yeah, yeah break it down three ply is like like you said it's like it like it's almost too soft It doesn't have enough so you can never go back from that. Yeah, you want a little bit You want a little bit of rough because you want a little bit of rough because you want to make sure you get it Has to be a certain grade, right? Yeah. Yeah, you don't need leftovers Yeah, if it's like a cloud if it's like you like try wiping your ass with cotton balls See how that goes, you know, I kiss it I totally like underestimated the the science that goes into this. Hey, you're right. I know I could imagine I know that's hard for you to say I could imagine what I know it's very hard for you to say I totally underestimated this Adam. There's a lot that goes into it is there's I wonder how much money goes into the Read the research and development of toilet paper. Oh, bro. You're happy to be a ton So what about let's see use the wipes what happens because you get that like dry itchy asshole How do you how do you deal with that from the wipes? Yeah, good wipes? You can get good wipes with like Aloe vera and stuff on it. So it's like Yes, dude because I admit that's like itchy assholes right up there with like dirty asshole. Yeah It's the same. It's almost the same, right? I don't I think dirty asshole I don't know it's sometimes itchy, but do you remember itchy butthole? Do you come on man? You're gonna walk around. So do you remember? I just don't you know, I could feel like a field Doug. Just just Do you remember when you just had a thousand new listeners come in today? This is what they have to listen to dammit. Do you remember when you were a kid? We should do we start every show was just like a little bit of good information and science and then like scrotum Yeah, we'll talk about it. Do you remember when you were kid and you go outside to play Recess and you get all sweaty and then you come in inside the classroom and sit down But then your butt still sweaty so then it would start itching in class and then you're like, ah Scoot, you remember that? Yeah. Yeah, that's terrible right, so and then they're like you have ADD. No, no No, I have things going on. Yeah, I got itchiness. Yeah in my buttocks. Let me work it I ever tell you guys the The time that the only job that I ever quit on the first day right of not doing it It wasn't really a job was like a side side job that I was just walked out Well, what was it walked out? It was a it was a moving transporting beehives I never told you guys you go from milk and udders to beehive Was there like a you're a renaissance terrible market where you're at This last week it was wild right with the ghost rider here in town and he's he's making me dig into stuff I forgot this story. It was only one day. You know I'm saying I went there. I was done You know I'm saying like that was it it was all I worked and I forgot all about it But we I don't remember what he asked me to keep digging into that like there's nothing you mean to tell me You've never quit something or I'm like, oh, you know what I take that back. There was this job and I had to be like somewhere between 16 and 20 or 16 and 19 somewhere in that range And I'm all I was always I was the kid I don't know about you guys, but you know because we didn't have a lot of things I was very driven to try and make I was you know working by the time I was 15 years old and any little, you know, oh, you want me to wash your car for 20 bucks? Yeah, I'll do it more long Yeah for $10. Yeah, I'll do it like I was I would take any job that I could on the side to make some money and One of my mom's friends They had like this honey business and they move they had to move transport the hives Like so you go to you put them on people's properties for I don't remember how long and they I mean This is like like a diesel truck like like hundreds of these things It's a all-night operation to transport them and you do it at nighttime because that's when like the bees sleep, right? And so I'm like I get kind of the idea and I know you get these full suits. I'm like whatever Yeah, I can do that. Okay. I'm not scared of bees, you know, yeah, so Bees we get these suits on and what I don't know. Okay going into this is You I mean you get them all over you, right? But you got the suit on but it's inevitable that they will find their way through any little crack They can so you're gonna get them inside your suit that that's just it's just you mean the suits aren't like They're not sealed. Well, not the ones I had used They are they are sealed. You're the new guy. Oh, yeah Given the shitty suit but like your gloves go all the way over here and then you crawl down the middle Yeah, and so I mean the day the and you're you know, you had the the helmet that goes over with the veil And then they could go up, but you know, so you had to wear this so I'm wearing this thing Right, I'd pay so much money to have a picture of that So I'm doing this right and this is why I couldn't and I'm I'm probably maybe an hour in into the Doing it and it's driving me crazy And they tell me they're like you're like don't don't freak out when you see the bee flying in your veil So that lift your helmet up and then they'll fly on top of your head and then you smash them on your head You know and then by the time you're all done you have like five or so bees that are dead on the top of your This is a terrible job. Yeah, so yeah, but I could still handle this I'm like, okay, that's not too bad where it started to drive me crazy was after working for about an hour You begin to start to sweat, you know, you're in this big suit and everything like that So now I can't tell If it's bees crawling up me or all over me Or be a beads of sweat and I get this bead of sweat that runs down my back And then it runs down my ass crack And so I feel it feels like a bee is crawling up my asshole And I fucking scream bro. I go running away from these. I strip all the clothes off I'm swinging all over me rip my pants off like and it's sweat that's running down my back But at that point I was like, I don't I'm good. I'm cool I'm saying like it's not enough money for me to do to do this shit. I can't blame you dude Penetrating bees. That's a that's a great story. I can't believe you never told us You know why because it was something that I had he does random He dug into so many things. Is that the worst job you've ever done? I guess so because it's the only one I ever quit probably Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, I think that was where we are going like the worst thing I've ever done or you know, whatever like I don't remember what he asked me my worst job was because I started By washing dishes in the back of oh look, look at that. What a great picture Doug. Oh, yeah That's definitely a picture of Adam. How funny is that? Look at the caption. Yeah, follow me boys right in the butt crack So I uh My worst job So I my first job was washing dishes to me Doug. That's funny My first job was washing dishes in the back of a pizza restaurant and That was okay. You know, you had to wash real fast and you have those commercial grade Dishwashers. Have you ever seen these things? Yeah, they're like super high-priced. Yeah They've got like two two doors on either side. So you you you lift them you throw the tray in there with the dishes You slam down the doors you push the button and then it's like And it's like maybe a minute of washing and I mean you could put dishes in there that have like Gun call over. Oh, dude. I could I put a whole pizza in there It come out and the dishes will be clean. You know what I mean? In fact, that was the game like Let's see what we could put in there and what happened But anyway, that was my first job But that wasn't my worst job my worst job was the job I got after that where I got a job at this uh home loan company and my job was to make They had all these files of all the home loans that they did so like Thousands and thousands and thousands of thick files And my goal was to make another copy of them that was I mean that was my job make another copy of them So all I did all god, dude all I did all day was Take out the file take out the staples from the freaking thing put them on the machine and watch it go And then it gets stuck inevitably and then I'd open it up. So I became an expert on copy machines, by the way I know how to if anyone you're gonna copy the fuck out of something Yeah, but dude, I wanted how many times you do your butt cheeks dude. That's where your technology Be honest. I never did my butt cheeks. Oh, you want to know what I did do that was bad in there Terrible. This is the worst thing I've ever done. I think They had a vending machine in there that was not the smartest vending machine okay, so like I looked at this thing and There were you know when you put the court you have to put the quarters in There's like three quarters and each when you put the quarters in and you turn the knob The quarters lift up a like a trigger mechanism that shows that there's three quarters And then you keep turning it and then the candy comes out Which anybody with the fucking brain could see like this is easy to fuck with So what I did was I got a plastic fork and I break off one of the prongs Stick the three prongs in there turn the thing so it hit the triggers So it thinks it has money and I get free candy all the time And I used to teach everybody in the office to do that And we all did that shit So I probably stole a grand total of I don't know $50 worth of candy over my so I hey, my apologies I feel terrible for my worst job I was like Helping this guy out working on a house and he was trying to teach me all this stuff about like working on a house So we start with plumbing and so we're underneath the house And he gets through this whole process. We're crawling all in these tight spaces and everything I'm kind of laying on my back in the dirt And he's like describing okay, so sometimes There's lines here that I mean there's human sewage like in this line So we'd be very careful and like as he's like talking about that The pipe falls And shit comes like splashing out like on top of him and then on top of me Right as he's talking about it. And I literally had human shit on me. Uh, yeah, of course. It's smell like poop Of course, it's smell like Justin's like no, I went home like daisies. That's when I quit. I was like, I'm not fucking doing that I'm out of here. Did you get hepatitis? Did you make sure? Probably? Yeah. Yeah That means Adam I don't drink drinks after Justin. I gotta keep an eye on this So that's that was the end of plumbing for me. Oh, man. Oh dude this morning, by the way It was a miracle I got here on time So Justin, have you you get your kids ready for school in the morning? Yeah Do your kids ever decide to Make a massive big deal out of nothing Oh Okay, so I'm thinking this may just be my daughter, but I guess it's not Maybe it's other kids too So my kids go to uh catholic school and on some days it's called formal dress day and they have to wear a particular uniform To go on that particular day And there's two ways to they have different uniforms for different days there There's one uniform that they wear most days and then on formal days Which are they happen like once a week there's a Particular type of uniform that they have to wear and now what now what's the purpose of that? They go to they do mass. Okay. They do mass so they have to wear a particular type of You know subset of their other uniform and it's called the formal uniform So, you know and my kids are split between two households So sometimes we don't have everything at my house and same thing with her mom So she wakes up this morning and I'm like I wake them up. I'm like, oh, don't forget today's formal day. Okay everybody's getting ready and My daughter typically wakes up in a Generally in a bad mood like she's generally just That's kind of how I was moody. She's just moody in the morning. Um, that's where you get that word from You know what it is and I'm this is I'm sure this is sexist because she's a girl But I'm like I think like wow you're moody like if you were A stereotypical person who's pmsing. She's only eight so she's not Which only frightens the shit out of me when later on is that gonna compound right? So she wakes up. She's just fucking She's angry as soon as they go in there wake up. Don't turn on the light. That's what she says right away Don't turn on the light and I'm like, okay, but you gotta get I heard you. I'm like This is gonna be great snappy So you have to make a decision. Do I Do I like rail on her for being rude or do I let it slide because if I focus on that This is what the morning's gonna be about isn't this well How old how old is it when when the whole Her hormones do start kicking up and she does she have like body odor yet and is that no not yet, dude This is just this is apparently is her baseline My youngest sister she went through that like I remember like when she was in third grade like telling my mom like Hey, sarah stinks mom. You gotta get her to start wearing deodorant already. So I think I think third and fourth is when some girls go through Okay, what grade is it? Oh, okay, so she's got so she's like that already. So I'm like, okay Whatever so I know now I just let her do her thing So she's getting ready and I hear her stomping And then Papa like yelling at the loud like at the top of her lungs. So I'm like and I'm I'm like I try not to react because My instinct is wants a fight. She wants to react dude. She wants to react My instinct is to go upstairs and be like, guess what? We're throwing all your toys away right now. So I'm not gonna do that I want to do that so bad, but I don't so I'm like, yes Where's my formal? Ah, whatever and I'm like, it's in your drawer. That's not the one I want So she wanted the long sleeve one instead. She had the short sleeve one So I'm like, well, it looks like we don't have the long sleeve one So where the short sleeve one and then you'll wear a jacket over that like not a fucking big deal That's not the one. I'm like, that's the only option that you have So now my son's getting ready. He's eating breakfast. There's like seven minutes left. She's not downstairs yet She's still upstairs and she's just pissed. So I'm like, okay, so I go upstairs And I go to open the door and it's locked My eight is an eight year old daughter. Yeah, so it's locked. So I'm like Open the door now. I want my, you know, my formal sweater. Tell mom to drive over here I'm like, your mom's on her way to work. That's not gonna happen You have three seconds to open the door and I can feel The inner rage. Yeah, like if it had to if it had a color When it gets to white hot, that's when shit goes down at this point It's just a glowing red and I can feel it like in my chest. Do you ever feel that, Justin? Oh, yeah Or you start to identify it and you're like, oh, this is gonna get volatile. This is gonna like I'm gonna have to control Yeah, so I'm like you have three seconds to open the door or I'm gonna open the door for you So then she opens it and she's pissed off and so we have this big conversation and I'm like This is your final chance. You are going to put this on and leave or Your brother's gonna leave without you at this point. She's still not even dressed. She's halfway dressed She's refusing to put the top part on because she's half what she wants so so at this point, so I'm like, uh Pick a toy for me to throw away right now. Now I'm starting to lose my temper. No I'm like, if you don't pick a toy, I'm gonna pick a toy back and forth back and forth Finally, she's like begrudgingly putting it on and then she's getting ready and I'm like you have one minute left And I set the timer and I keep telling her 40 seconds left 30 seconds left because you know, it's time to time to leave So finally she gives in and she leaves but Jesus. Oh the battle Yeah, and the battle is not necessarily with her. It's what I mean irrational like I've had those battles too And it is sometimes over close or it's over like Not not getting a play date or whatever it was with their friend and you're just like, well, it just didn't work out like they're doing something else today It's like this like rage It's like you just have to let them like what does it look like? What does it look like when you guys take it too far? Like do you guys ever do like smash a doll house? Oh, that's it. No You know what happened barbie's head right off It's when I know when I've taken it too far when I when I throw down a punishment that 10 minutes later I think too much because once you say here's the key by the way, this is a secret I don't get emotional as they're having emotions. You have to you have to be consistent as fuck like if I say This is the punishment. I have to stick to it now. Otherwise. It's coming. Otherwise you weaken yourself So I know when I went too far when 10 minutes later. I'm like, oh, that was You know two months no tv, you know for That affects me too My parents were the parents that grounded for like a year, bro. They were Would they stick to it? No, dude. Yeah, because too much. All right. Who knows grounded for a year. They're so angry a year Yeah, I'll I'll literally take the toy and then I'll go throw it in the garbage can in front of them But then you keep it there like that's it. No, that's it. It's gone. It's gone forever Dude my my don't fuck around my cousin did that with his daughter like she's really really stubborn and He threw away like Five toys in the garbage like her most prized toys. Yeah, and he told me he's like hit them right where it hurts He's like and he told me like an hour later. He's like dude. He goes bro He goes I felt an hour later when I calm down He goes he goes I felt terrible. He's like it was way too far He's oh, but I couldn't do anything because I had to stick to it man So so then he learned his lesson with that. Yeah, did you guys see uh what happened with uh canal uh canal alvarez? He got popped for yeah, what drug did he get caught with climp you're all Yeah, dude, that was why would you lend just who the fuck is his coach that's giving him clan To get ready for a fight. Are you an idiot? I don't you know, there's no benefit. Yeah, I was gonna say it's not like Well, he's he's he's blaming the trend or he's blaming the the chickens. That's what he's blaming You know what that's actually not that's that could be very true. So what yeah, so back in the day Athletes were in people were getting actually not just athletes people were getting um clan buterall poisoning from eating Meat like poultry or beef because it was tainted with clan buterall. So he probably just googled that I think that he's like, yeah, that's that's that and that's why I brought it up. So this is the big speculation is like I'm sure and this is the game right like I think this is the game is When there's news or there's there's stuff like that to support that argument This is what we're gonna fuck with if I'm your coach, right and it's like, listen, we're you know, we can't use this Yeah, here's here. We have an excuse. Yeah, here's in case it happens or medicine, right? You've seen that all the time too where there's like a certain prescription Maybe this person has a certain allergy or something John Jones and his boner pills Right, right. There's always there's always like this out and I I think these guys Go into it already like okay worst-case scenario. We could get caught if we do get caught This is what we say. Yeah, see here's why here's why I I can't I can't believe him because clan buterall is a terrible Performance enhancing drug. Yeah, it can definitely get you leaner In a two-week period. So if you're a bodybuilder or physique competitor, so you're on stage if you want to look Or did we need to cut weight? I thought it does it? No, it's terrible I thought it increases your aerobic capacity. No, so it is a It is a beta agonist Which is uh, and I think I'm saying it right. I think it's a beta agonist Because it was developed for um asthma So it can help people with asthma The problem at the study show pretty clearly that taking clan buterall will will not increase your performance But it'll reduce it unless you have asthma then it might help. Yeah Yeah, it makes it harder to perform breathe. It's not good for cardiovascular Function, it's not good for the heart Um, look, you've you've played with clan before I have do you fucking have a heart better workouts? You feel shaky and shitty when you're working out. Yeah, no It feels like you've you just did a line of coke before you go to the go to the gym. It's that strong It's and you don't feel like you're strong. I feel like it's harder You know, that's a that I can't I can't concur or I can't confirm like I just think that um You know, I I wasn't doing a hard intense cardio like I'm not doing endurance I'm definitely not boxing like that so I could not compare and say like what it's like If I was taking clean and I was running heel sprints or something crazy Yeah, so I so I do have asthma what I liked about it was I would take it and I go walk on a treadmill And by the time five minutes of walking I'm boring and sweat. Yeah Yeah, so so I I did have asthma as a kid. So I'm very familiar with those classes of drugs. I've used albuterall Many many times inhaler, but I've also used albuterall tablets And I've used a clan buterall in the past And they're terrible for a workout because it gets your heart rate up. So you end up Getting out of breath sooner. You don't have the same level of performance. It just it just doesn't work What's the term for like muscle saving? Isn't it doesn't it have some properties like muscle sparing? Yeah So it's got some anabolic properties that are independent. Uh, it's not hormonal. So it's different Yeah, I know it's not hormonal, but it isn't because that's another reason why a lot of animals it does Yeah, so in in in cows and in other animals for sure because they have more of these receptors in their muscles. So we have these beta receptors in our hearts And in certain types of muscle not necessarily in our skeletal muscle We have them in heart in our heart and in our lungs. So when we take these Drugs and I really hope I'm saying it right. So I might be wrong But when you take these drugs they they they affect some muscles and not others But in other animals they have a greater density of these same receptors in their skeletal muscle So when you give like clenbuterol to a cow it builds muscle Like if you gave it a mild anabolic in humans You know anecdotally speaking a little bit Definitely can help you get leaner, but that's short too, right? It's like a week week or two weeks and then it stops Working. Yeah, and you can get it from tainted meat. So you can eat a cow That had been eating clenbuterol and then you'll get clenbuterol And some people have actually been hospitalized with clenbuterol poisoning From that. So they've actually banned it in many countries. So that may be the case If it's not if his coach is giving him clen as a performance announcer strange choice That is a shitty drug to take for performance and it's so detectable with with uh tests That it'd be stupid because you can detect it for so long It's you're basically fucking your athlete, you know, I mean you're like here do this drug that even effort it wears off It's gonna be detectable for two months afterwards. This just came out yesterday So I'm really interested to see how it unfolds because you know, of course right away you got people talking shit Like there's already people Oh my god, I can't believe you're bullshitting line, but I'm like there there is a possibility, you know But there is and and as far as I know I couldn't see clen being that beneficial even even even if it did help a little bit I can't imagine it's not like a game changer for me. No, it's strange. I just think that all these I mean I don't know I I Maybe can count on one hand How many uh pro athlete friends of mine that I know That don't use antibiotics or use some sort of periods. I mean I all of them But there there's exceptions to the rule like my buddy Brendan is somebody who's never never fucked with it or dab with it My other buddy Frampton's never fucked with it You know, they played eight plus years in the NFL and and have still are drug-free completely But they also are not at the top at the top of the level like I've never and they're also probably the exception They are they they're genetic anomalies. They're freaks. They're super talented. They have an incredible work ethic And and then that landed them kind of middle of the row of the pros, you know, I'm saying I think certain positions in sports Uh, for example in football Probably certain positions would you you call upon antibiotics more so than other positions You know I'm saying like if you're a 350 pound lineman Yeah, if you're a cornerback or a receiver You're you're I'm sure your benefit from antibiotics, but it's not as big of a pressure as if you were a Alignment, you know, I mean sure, you know, yeah, and when that's your only focus is is like in your paycheck It's like they're gonna come up with strategies and shenanigans to you know to get To get all that's kind of stuff incorporated And so that's why I think my initial thought process is like how they're hacking the system somehow You know, because I think that a lot of these top tier athletes have and they have a lot of money Oh, I hunter. That's what I think I think right now Yeah, for the scientists and everybody else. Well, think about this way. We just interviewed, uh, dr. Mollie Maloof Who's a concierge? biohacking doctor for Silicon Valley elite Don't think for a second. There aren't these elite doctors that work specifically with pro athletes Who are like, okay, let me help you with these naive not. Well, you remember that when we saw was it What was it Icarus? Was that the name of that? Uh, yeah, they talked about that. I mean, they're I mean, there's so much every And this these guys have been trained to to to cheat the olympics, bro If you can cheat the olympics, you can cheat any other sport, bro That olympics the the testing on that's ridiculous is the most stringent. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean if you got if there's Although the ufc. I'm I mean, I am really impressed with you. I'd say of all the pro sports They are the most serious about they're testing their athletes Yeah, well, I think they have the most to prove, you know, like they're trying to get legitimate In the eyes of and the most to lose, you know, people are so afraid of it being barbaric Speaking of I mean like they're not even allowed in every single state. I'm sure they've they've broken Like I know they're in new york now, which took a while for them to get into but did you guys speak in the ufc Do you guys see frankie edgier get knocked out just the other night? I saw a clip of it That was a that was a really crazy first time ever for him his whole career, bro His whole he hasn't been stopped that guy that beat him. Uh, I forget his name young guy coming up right now Dude, that was totally unexpected. That was so is that I'm assuming by the clip that I saw So I know nothing of the other fighter, but I'm assuming he has a very high pedigree of striking Because his combination was the irony actually is what he's known for is his grappling really Yeah, that's what he's got. He has one of the most vicious like grips like he gets a hold of you You know a couple times during the fight. He got a hold of frankie and the whole crowd Like here it comes, you know I'm saying like as soon as he put remember when ronda It went around around he was fighting as soon as she got a hold of an arm everyone He was like, oh, it's over One two three done He's kind of like that, but he's uh, I mean he looked great man The the everyone was everyone's been talking about him all those wins that he had that he's since he's been in And frankie edgard was going to be like the real first test for him. Did you knock him out? Yeah Yeah, yeah, great dude. So read an article that was Probably maybe because I'm a parent one of the most alarming articles I've read and part of it is because I'm apparently the other part of it is because This is something that I've been I think all of us have talked about this, but I've been definitely Tuning into or feeling that this is the case. So In the five, so I'm going to read to you some statistics. So they do these large national national surveys on Uh on on kids on teens all the time and they ask them questions like How do you feel about certain things? What are the words to describe those things? How is your? Sex life, you know, what do you think about whatever? So they do these huge surveys And they've been doing them for decades. So they're can they have we have consistent Markers that we can read Well in the five years between 2010 and 2015 The number of us teens who say that they feel useless and joyless Okay, which are classic symptoms of depression Have surged 33 percent. Wow, which is a huge massive significant jump In that category. We have not seen a movement in the category. Is that 33 compared to the previous five years? 33 yes, that's what i'm saying. Yes, like between 2010 this is and Here's the other one teen suicide attempts Have jumped 23 and that same period of time Obviously and the number of 13 to 18 year olds who have committed suicide Has jumped 31 in that same period of time So there's a new paper that was published in the clinical psychology psychological science Which is a group that publishes, you know papers on studies that talk about suicide and other things that deal with psychology And they're finding that suicide attempts Are appearing among teens from every background that are it's growing in every background. So More privileged less privileged all races ethnicities Basically kids that are born after 1995 are much more likely to experience mental health issues Than their predecessors Yes, this is a big Big deal right now, and they are trying to figure out what's going on. Yeah, they need more research But here's what they're coming up with Smartphone ownership crossed the 50 threshold in late 2012 Right when teen depression and suicide really started taking off. That makes a lot of sense by 2015 73 percent of teens had access to a smartphone. So So Of all the variables that they're looking at like what the fuck could possibly be contributing to this incredible spike In suicide Among teens like what the fuck is going on what variable change the most Because that's what you have to look at first now We have to test further, but that's the first place you're gonna, right? Obviously, there's many many different potential Right, right, but that's a big deal. But so what they did is they looked and they said, oh shit. So in 2012 Just over 50 percent of kids 18 to What was it that I said 18 to 30 or 13 12 to 18 13 to 18 Over 50 owned smartphones before that it was under 50 percent So at 2012 we crossed that mark by 2015 So just three years later within three years and went to just over 50 percent to over 73 percent And I would assume today it's probably closer to 80 90 percent, right? So that's what they're looking at right now The other thing is Time spent online has exploded as well They found that teens who spend five or more hours a day online were 70 percent more likely Than teens who spent less than an hour a day to have at least one suicide risk risk factor Which is depression thinking about suicide or making a suicide plan or attempting suicide So overall suicide risk factors have are significantly increased after two or more hours a day Of time online. Wow. So I think what we're my what we've been talking about and I'm Definitely we need more data, but this is what they're saying and this is the medical community I'm gonna go out and say a hundred percent. I would bet money This is the problem and we are starting to deal with the beginning of an epidemic This is what this is what the book here is just well speculated on I didn't read that study But this is exactly what they talked about aside from the behavioral addiction that comes with it Is this your Can't help it, but you're comparing yourself to these people Yeah, the self-worth and all the different social media Sort of platforms where you're evaluating how many likes you get like, you know, who's interacting with me or Like a day to day like you're just you're always like putting yourself out there like to see what kind of feedback you're getting Well, and a lot of these kids are they're so naive that they don't realize that You know instagram and what drama said it really well, you know, instagram's turning into like the new website, right? Like that's what it's like for for people or did he say website or what do you refer it to is like where You know people come on there to see like it's like the best version of you It's all your bed. Oh, it's like your business car. Yeah. Yeah, that's what that's what it was his business card That's what he said. Yeah, so it's kind of like that where and so a lot of these some of these kids I think are naive to think that These people don't look like this. This is not their lifestyle. That's probably not their fucking car It's not like that every day And if you're constantly seeing that all time imagine if if this happened to you one day imagine if We walked out right before smart all of a sudden you walked outside And all of a sudden everyone you saw looked perfect Everyone not like not like literally like 80 90 percent and Imagine how all your insecurities would be exaggerated at that moment. It's like everybody has insecurities We all have things like oh that one mole on my body or oh, this is I'm a little soft here I have small this whatever it is right everyone's got these insecurities Then you walk outside And the first hundred people you see nine of them look perfect Imagine with that what a mind that would it creates a false sense of what your community is because now you believe that that's your community In fact, isn't again. We've used the example of like Watching the NBA and being around NBA players and then you feel like everybody's fucking massively tall when in reality Seven foot tall people are extremely rare. So there's that there's also the distraction factor where You're not alone, you know doing nothing. So you're not figuring things out. You're not thinking you're not You're just always distracted always You know dopamine hits all the time so it creates that and let's take it a step further If we're looking at statistics dealing with kids and it's affecting kids don't make no mistake This is happening to adults as well. Of course. So yeah I and because we're you know our roots on the show our fitness and wellness. This is an important topic because this is This is your wellness that we're talking about Well, just think too about like how much time you're taking away from sunlight and you know being outside and interacting with People like physically it's just that that type of a connection is something that I think is Completely undervalued. Well, I told you guys I had a really Weird experience after that that long fast that we all did One of the things that was really obvious to me was I was Extra sensitive to looking at my phone and computer and that was a big eye-opener for me that You know just sitting in sitting there staring at the screen for a couple hours Gave me like this throbbing headache out of nowhere and and all I could connect was oh, wow I just came off of a complete fast. So why wouldn't that totally? Recensitize everything in my and you know I'm saying and then to think like I keep pushing through that and adapt to where that That to me tells me that my body's trying to tell me. Hey, that's too much bro You are causing you're creating physiological changes. Absolutely. It's so if you're a parent your responsibility you have a responsibility to your children and It's clear now. It's pretty obvious socially clear now. I should say That monitoring what your children eat Is a important part of responsibility as a parent, right? You don't just You don't just throw out a bunch of whatever your kids want to eat and you put it easily accessible and you tell them Hey, eat whatever you want whenever you want and put no structure around it We know what that turns into we know it turns into poor physical health high risk of diabetes Alzheimer's Obesity, you know hormonal issues like just terrible things for your kids. And so now it's socially acceptable that as a parent You you monitor that you you put structures It's not so socially apparent yet that you need to do that with electronics, but But it is just as important and it's because it's new It's not like the social norm yet, but I'm telling you right now This is just as important. So how you manage we already do this as parents We manage things for our kids. We set structures and guidelines and boundaries To help raise them to become conscientious competent you know secure adjusted adults One of those things is going to be how to navigate a world where You have this access to technology And that it can go bad It can go very bad where you can develop these habits with with the technology that you become this You feel like life is meaningless and you're just sitting you're in your room all day and just spend time on social media Or internet and never do anything and it can lead to lots of different problems Including depression and that goes to yourself. So Using the food example if you're a parent and you're trying to get your kids to eat healthy It will almost never work if you yourself are not eating healthy. It's very difficult I mean it's possible, but it's almost impossible. It's very very difficult in my experience Like it has to be a household thing. So the same is true with electronics you yourself Have to Have those habits. So what I've done now in my house and I've already talked about this is my phone is now attached To the charger and it's in a central area in the house And if I want to work I have to go and I have to stand I don't even sit down I have to stand and work on my phone. It doesn't come with me anywhere How's that been gone? It was a pain in the ass at first. Yeah, but now it's actually I'm happy that I do it I'm so stoked. I started doing the same thing. Oh, it it literally has changed. I'm more productive Yeah, with my kids and in the interactions we have because you're right like I I would catch myself like they want to play video games. They want to get the ipad. They want this that and I'm just like No, no, no, no, you play with your toys play outside and then I'm on my phone like You know, it's just it's on the flip side. You guys fucking suck at getting back to us now It actually I'm actually more I'm more productive now. Yo, yo answer me here. I'm trying to get this done I'm more productive now because when I go to it and like working You know what I mean? Like I got to work. I'm here. I'm gonna do my work and yeah That's how I feel and the other thing I've done. So I just implemented this yesterday with my kids So I'm reading the study and I've been managing it with my kids, but it's been Willy-nilly in the sense that oh, it looks like you're on too much get off now And I know I know better like I know with kids Guidelines have to be clear like you can't just do that Whatever I feel like today is what we're going to do today because then they don't know what's expected There's no structure kids thrive off of knowing what to do when they wake up in the morning What to do when they you know, I was just gonna ask you if you guys ever thought about like a like Like video game and phone windows. Oh you did. So I just what I told my kids was this I said Throughout the week Both of you have an allowance at four for four hours total of electronic time and that includes tv It's all electronics four hours each for the whole week and it's up to you whole week for the whole week Whoa, and it's up to you now that doesn't include school work or research and it also doesn't include family electronic time So if we're all as a family watching tv or all in the family on the computer It doesn't count because that's that's hardcore man. I've been watching tv with my kids. That's different But yeah, but if it's four but it's four hours on your own of electronic time Is and and it's up to them how they use it So you want to use it all in one day you can if you want to use a little here and there you can And if you get punished I can take some away and sometimes I may add some But for the most part it is four hours a week total and so yesterday my daughter used 15 minutes interesting I like that. I like the adding adding and subtracting to that time. But it's kind of cool This is your baseline. That's it and then how you well you behave you may get earned up to six or eight hours It is but it's going to be very judicious I'm going to be very strict with it And you already are when you think about it because the average kid right now is two and a half hours per day It's terrible. That's the average and so you know what happened yesterday when I implemented this right away Nobody watched because then my son's like I'm not going to watch tv. I don't want to waste this time because I like playing computer games So I'm going to save it all for that Yeah, I like that so he didn't watch tv my daughter watched a grand total of 15 minutes And then I told her okay take away the 15 minutes and then she stopped because she realized it wasn't worth it And then they hymned and they hooded they complained for about 30 minutes and my son especially which My son was very upset that I only he only got four hours, which tells me This is definitely something I should be doing if he has this much of a reaction He's for sure gotten addiction But then after about 30 to 40 minutes of complaining and this and debating and arguing back and forth We started playing the kids started playing with each other My son picked up a book my daughter started playing like with crafts We all started playing a board game together. We all had conversations and it was the best fucking day ever So 100 i'm on the right path And this is for sure something i'm going to be very strict about now because It's just as important as Monitoring the food that they put in their mouth their activity and all the other things that really No, I think you're missing a piece that I think I know for sure because I know you guys so well And this is where I think a lot of parents will hear this and then fuck it up Is you guys do a really good job of communicating the why you're doing what you're doing too And I think that's really important because what I think a lot of parents do which is just be a for Right it reminds me of bad managers, right people who just because you're in the position to manage and lead You think you're a leader you're really not you're just a dictator And so if you're the type of parent who says You only get four hours, you know because you're doing it too much. That's not a why that's not a reason why like Educating your kids on the potential dangers of it or why it can't I had a long conversation So my son that's important that's important modeling it too You know and you you like subscribe behaviors like because I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be like Watching tv or watching this and that while they're while i'm trying to have them Be more physical or read or anything like I'm like, okay. Well, I'm gonna be doing that with them What's good for them is good for you. Yeah, just remember that and so I actually had a great conversation with my son because He's sitting there and he's doing his homework and this is after I told him and we had a long and we had a discussion about And he's really fucking upset it's pissed off And he's trying to debate me and he's a smart kid So he's trying to come up with ways to debate me and you know, but ultimately he's you know I have a better argument and he goes I don't understand and oh he was mad he put his hood over his head He had a hoodie on he puts it over his head so he's like no one could see him and he's doing his homework So then he's he's starting to finish and I'm like You look like you're upset. This is really upsetting you. I said that is actually showing it should show you That this is a good thing because if you have that strong of an emotional connection to this Then that means you might have had some kind of an addiction to it And so we're you know, we're going back and forth and he goes, you know what he goes I'm a really good kid. He goes I get really good grades. I do everything you tell me I'm a good brother. I don't cause any problems. He goes. Why are you punishing me? And so I stopped him and I pulled his hoodie down and I looked at him. I said, you're not being this is not a punishment I said, I agree with everything you said. I said, you're a great kid. You're actually I'm blessed to have you as my son. You're a remarkable son. You work very hard You do everything that I ask. You're very conscientious. You're an excellent brother What I'm telling you about the electronic time has nothing to do with Punishing you at all. This is not a punishment. It might feel like a punishment because you may not like it But I'm not doing this to punish you. I'm doing this because I care about you and because I am I am your father And I there's certain things that I understand That you may not understand that I see That will benefit you will make you a better human being so that you can be more successful In life and I'm just doing the best job that I can and this seems like it's very clear for me So we're going to try this out But I wanted him to know This is not a punishment because he did make a very good point And I and I want that was something that I didn't even think about like oh shit Like it's coming out of the blue. Yeah, like like it's important They know they're not being punished because if he thinks he's being punished then he's going to go back and be like What the fuck like I'm doing everything right. What's going on? And so I made sure to communicate that, you know, I had an I had an ex and her dad This is how her dad used to father. I thought was really unique to a guy was really brilliant Is a situation just like this but he was it helps that he's very well read himself He would like he would tell his daughter that okay, like if you want to do that Then what I what you need to do first is here's a book that I want you to read When you when you're finished with the reading the book you can write me a one page one page Letter telling me why you deserve to do that or you should be able to do what you want And if it's if it's compelling if you have a compelling enough argument Then absolutely I'll let you do that and the process of her going through She had to have a good argument for a good reason Right right and then and of course the book would always have some sort of a lesson That he's trying to teach her through that like in this case like getting your son to read like a book like irresistible He's a very smart kid after reading something like that maybe has a better understanding of oh, that's where dad's coming No explaining things to kids Goes a very long way at the end of the day sometimes you do have to say like okay Well now that I've explained it and you still have you still want to argue with me I'm still the final decision maker here But I think it's important to explain kids like when uh, you know I explained to my kids about and even things that they don't argue with like You know and I by the way Um, I've been getting a lot of a lot of messages with the doctor molly maloof episode in in particular a couple people messaged me about What she said about endocrine disruptors like cosmetic products like deodorants and creams and stuff And how they affect your hormones and I'm very happy that we had a doctor saying it because I think people sometimes need to hear An md saying these things But I even talked about that with my kids. So I ordered, you know, I ordered them toothpaste and deodorant now for my son and shampoo From like thrive market. And so I actually went on thrive market and I showed them The products that I'm ordering for them and I'm saying, you know, do you know why I'm ordering? Yeah, because they need to know otherwise if you don't know like when they go to college or something They're gonna be like whatever i'm gonna do the fuck I want, right? Yeah, they're pissed that like the the toothpaste doesn't taste super sweet and foamy like it used to Exactly describe the reason exactly. So I'm telling them like do you know why I order you guys products? That's a natural and organic and why I pick these products and they're like, well, they're better for you I'm like, well, do you know what that means? The other ones make us sick. I'm like, well, not necessarily. So I'm explaining like What an endocrine disruptor is and so what I did with my daughter because she's eight, right? So I just got a piece of paper and I drew Uh, like uh, you know that like if you look at a castle And they have like the tower and at the top of the tower you have like that jagged edge of the wall because that's where the Like the archers would shoot through. So I drew like this jagged Kind of edge and I said, okay. I said in your body there are things called receptors and receptors are like a lock And there are hormones that float through your body And they they're like a key and when they fit inside and they drew a shape that fit inside models like No, I well note because because how do you explain like this? I know it's so complex, right? So I said impressed you I said so Break this down. Yeah, so I said your body has locks And there's keys that float around and if the key matches the lock Then the lock opens and then your body knows what to do And hormones will tell your body to do certain things like in a in a boy testosterone will tell a boy to Build muscle lora's voice, you know get hair on his chest and stuff like that and a girl estrogen Will get her body ready to develop breasts and all these different things and I said so Those are what the hormones do I said there's actually chemicals That are close enough to the hormone key that sometimes They fit inside that lock false key and then your body thinks it's a hormone and it starts to do things It's not supposed to and I said and some products have these chemicals That look like these things and it causes your body to do things and these natural products Are are better because they had they don't have these types of chemicals in them and my daughter's like, oh Wow, I really get it and so now she's like Doesn't want to use anything that's you know Not you know these type of products, but you had you have to explain it, right? So and it's cool because we're on thrive market, right and thrive market So great because every product you pick is in that category So I'm letting them pick from their category of things so they were part of the process So it was really really cool. Yeah, you're right. I had a client with thrive market that I was just talking to her today I thought that it was kind of cool. She shared with me. I asked her. I said, hey Have you been ordered from thrive market? She says, oh, you know, it's funny. You brought that up. I Actually just finished the 30 day trial and I told him that I I wouldn't be doing it I'm like, oh, she's like, well She said I'm all by myself and I don't just order enough and I if I ordered enough I said she goes I really like the product and she goes man Their customer service is insane. She goes I told them that I didn't want to do it And they were they were super nice and said, why don't you extend it for six months and try this They were trying to work with me in so many different ways. She goes it was really really cool She goes but honestly Adam. She goes I just don't order enough. I wouldn't order enough from them for myself She goes I think a jar of ghee would last me three months. It's not so I just didn't justify Having the the membership like that but she goes I have to tell you man the company's Off the chain. I said no, no, that's part of the reason why we work with them Is that I think they just they have a lot of integrity. So great. Yeah, I think they're really really good So great one of my favorite companies to work with ever This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout All right, our first question is from liz gvt Thoughts on the recent protein powder study It shows a lot of quality products having high levels of heavy metals bpa pesticides, etc This was brought to my attention by Probably five people at least so the sow was freaking out yesterday. I was pissed off Big companies that are offenders. Well, I'll tell you why I was pissed off. So here's what the title so this was reported in consumer reports, but the study was done by another company and I can't remember clean label project so Clean label project. This is all I know about them by the way So I don't know enough about them to say that they're Non-biased But what I do know about them is that they're a non-profit organization and their goal is to examine the labeling safety issues found in Products so they go and they check products and make sure that they're safe and we all know that supplements are nefarious for that. I mean, right Several studies Several studies I could pull up three Where they'd go in and test supplements and find that either the supplements didn't have what they said they had Or they have less much less than what they said they had or they have some shit in there that they don't fillers That they're not supposed to have in them. So supplements don't have the greatest reputation Which is one of the reasons why the supplement industry Is a fucking hemorrhoid on the ass of fitness is terrible, right? That was a weird Analogy there you get comfortable and smelly you get the picture So this supplement comes out and they tested protein powders and what they found was that Most of the protein powders that they tested most of them had high amounts of heavy metals arsenic led other types of heavy metals and Pesticides and contaminants like bpa, which are hormone disruptors They saw that this was bad in So they tested quite a few products and they named them Some of the worst products, okay One of which I used to take all the time and I in fact used to promote I was never affiliated with them But when people had asked me, hey, what do you recommend? I used to recommend this, which is why I'm angry One of them was garden of life. Yeah, that was crazy. Garden of life was one that was high in heavy metals That's a whole foods brand, isn't it? Uh whole foods carries them. Yeah, nature's best quest Quest also did really bad call up tom. You are what the fuck tom vega sport the plant-based protein was bad That's big too, dude. Is it vega or vega? I thought it was vega vega or vega. I'm not sure It's definitely the big if that's the big yoga pilates one. They're in like every yoga pilates, too So they tested they all tested bad. Uh, most of them tested bad. Some were good All in all the plant-based ones did worse off than the than the way ones and I and they're saying it's probably because When you go harvest the first of all plants tend to store These heavy metals that they get from the soil and stuff More so than like milk will and stuff like that. So the odds are a little bit higher there Um, but I think that you need a bigger sample size to see what's going on So you can't share this and not share the back story of what happened at mine plump after this all went down and the Oh, I was fucking pain the internal conflict. Yeah, the internal conflict and the arguing back and forth You can talk if you want well, you know south came in and he was ready to like just fucking burn the house down You know like that's it. No, we're not gonna well If organify can't prove to me that they're not on this list. Fuck him. I don't care about our contract for the year I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude pump your brakes. Are they on the list? Yeah, I'm like they're not on the list, bro. They're not on the list like I don't care They need to do it. I'm like listen, bro. They have like 30. I'm not gonna fucking promote something unless I know I we all appreciate the passion. I love you and your integrity, but it's fun funny that But people don't know that well, so I sent so what I did was yes, he did right away He fired an emo over. Oh, I sent an email to organify and I'm like, hey, look Apparently it seems to be very common in these studies to show that there's unsafe levels of heavy metals in uh, especially in plant proteins like what's the deal now Here's where uh, I'm very happy now. I'm gonna be honest with you Okay, because everybody in here knows that I was for sure and nobody was disagreeing with me If organify had answered differently I was going to get on here and they were going to get it and we would have cut all ties with them And just so anybody knows we have a year sponsorship with them a very lucrative one And we were going to throw down the garbage because we're not going to affiliate with anybody that doesn't have that type of integrity, but I email organify and I'm like, listen I want to know if there's some assurance that organify protein powders and products Are free from these heavy metals or that they have, you know That they're well within the safe range that they get tested third party all these different things Within five minutes. I get a response from one of their representatives and they're like, I'm connecting with our team We're going to find out and we'll keep you updated And Very quickly they talk about how and they said, you know, she tells us here's here's what our team Is coming up with or telling you and they do test their products their products are Way below far below their they're they're taught it their products measure in parts per billion Well, didn't you first say that any any vegan proteins and have some amounts of it right? Well, all they say that It's gonna be you're gonna find some levels of certain things for example a counter to just like fish, right? Yeah, so like a can of tuna five ounce can of tuna has point 32 parts per million Of mercury which is I don't know That's something like 10 times the allowance that california has for prop 65 Which is even which prop 65 is extremely strict by the way More strict than even federal allowances. So if you mean if you meet prop 65, you're well below The federal allowance. So a can of tuna is already above that. Well, the organized products Measure in parts per billion So it's it's it's so small that they measure parts per billion So they have calculated it basically a thousand times lower than the amount of heavy metals that are known to cause health issues And so this is a big deal for them Um, and they're very serious about it. In fact, they're gonna actually I'm surprised they're gonna start advertising campaigning I was gonna say what a huge fucking thing they can't when you see something like that And those companies what a way to separate yourself. Yeah, those are monster companies. That's right. So so I am glad I'm glad that they came back. They assured us that they uh, that they're all good But this just goes you show you man when it comes to supplements like You don't fucking know and here's the problem like if you're a fitness enthusiast and you have By the way, it's so not regulated that it's not a big deal if even if you do fuck around this It's like a slap on the wrist, bro. That's it. Yeah, it's like a garden of life. Can I do anything? Yeah, exactly Is garden of life gonna fucking stop or are they gonna are they gonna get shut down? No That's what's crazy. No, and it's in So, I mean, here's the thing like it's all consumer driven So consumers can dictate this and if I was organized and I'm being the business person that I am I'd be like, oh Awesome, I'm about to take out my competitors. Yeah, and I would print this study And then I'd show and be like, oh look our products Yeah, our products measure way safe And we're not one of these products and you should stick with ours because here's the deal if you're a fitness enthusiast and you take a protein powder Most especially muscle building fitness enthusiasts take a protein powder take at least two or three servings a day And I don't mean just like three or three times like if you take two scoops or three scoops That's two or three servings because your protein powder is measured in one scoop So if you're taking two scoops, that's two servings So most people are taking two or three servings of protein powder a day Then they're adding on top of it a pre-workout supplement and some other supplement or a bar So if there is relatively high levels of Heavy metals, which don't your body doesn't clear them very well. That's why they're considered a toxin They it takes years like if you have a high level of mercury in your body You'd have to avoid mercury and does it tell you what like what levels are what levels of what what metals Are what they were reading or they were picking up mercury arsenic Uh, I can't remember some of the other ones led led is the other one So if you take these products, it's not going to hurt you in a few times or months or even a couple years But if you're consistent like I've been doing this for 20 years. Well, fuck. I've been taking supplements forever I mean you build up some of these talk and the problem is that the symptoms that arise from having high levels of some of these things Are vague like all of a sudden I have anxiety or I can't sleep or my hormones are offer They're different for everybody like every person nervous. Just you know nervous system disorder Right, right Someone gets something like that or the other person gets headaches or the other person has trouble sleeping You won't know until you get tested for these things and then to get rid of them is this whole process It takes years also. So That's just the thing man when you go with your products I mean the reason why we signed with organifi is we were We we we really liked their integrity of their products because that I hate to tell you When you buy supplements, it's not about getting the latest greatest cutting edge new thing That's going to make the biggest difference the cheapest, you know bulk amount of you know way protein. That's right Yeah, that's right. It's not about those two things because a there's nothing that's cutting edge That's coming out. That's going to change your life. That's a supplement So the ones that you'll probably if you do take supplements are the staple if you will products, maybe a protein powder Maybe a you know supplement something to supplement if you don't eat enough vegetables Maybe a multivitamin if you have a nutrient deficiency create team for performance Like it's a short list and number two like if you just go dirt cheap They're they're already so unregulated that Yeah, what do you think's gonna happen? What do you think there's why do you think it's dirt cheap? You know what I mean? You could be doing some shit to your body that you're trying to improve upon your health instead You're fucking with this shelf mess with your health and the problem is it's like Here's the thing that sucks like it would be one thing if you took a supplement that immediately affected you and you're like Oh, fuck that gave me diarrhea. I'm not going to take that anymore Yeah, but we're talking about things that take years to build up You know how hard it is to identify what the fuck is wrong with you when It's a product of five years of protein powder. Take you know supplementation Yeah, how do you know how to identify you have to go to like a functional medicine doc It'll take a fucking detective and years of work like you don't want to go down that route So go with quality and integrity first and then you know pick everything else out would be my advice Next question is from h jocks. What is the best approach to bulking? Uh, I would say with bulking So a couple things first let's talk about the training You have to have the right muscle building signal to bulk. Otherwise, you're just gonna gain body fat So if your body wants to build muscle that makes it way easier And then once your body wants to build muscle Understand and appreciate that it doesn't take a lot more calories over maintenance To do so in fact it doesn't take that much more at all so The most I'll tell somebody and this is somebody with like a really fast metabolism Is to go 500 calories above maintenance and that's the most I know guys. I know what I used to do Fuck I used to go like 1500 calories above maintenance and want to bulk and then ended up putting a bunch of body fat on So I'd say go with a small surplus of between 200 to 500 calories And have a really good routine and then the third thing is keep it short because that Boost that you get from the bulk you start to lose it after a few weeks or so in my experience at least And then it just becomes extra Body fat that you start to gain So I know adam you coached a lot of people Yeah, and bodybuilding did it was as similar for them as it is for average the average person Yes, and no, okay So best best approach is really tough to answer because I don't think there is a best approach Because everybody's so uniquely different I'll give you an example of like common things that I would see like somebody who's trying to bulk If you're someone who's trying to bulk and you have a hard time bulking I have different advice for somebody who just has an easy time bulking Uh, there's different strategies for each of those people like so You know teaching sal the bulk and then teaching the Justin bulk I would use two different strategies for them Justin puts on size Fairly easily and if anything he has a harder time leaning down or staying lean So and sal's more like me where it's a little bit harder for him to bulk. So Depending on this person would be how I advise him now For me being a guy who had a hard time bulking and putting size on I had to find that there's several strategies that I use one of the strategies That I use later on that I didn't realize until I got into competing how how well this worked for me It's I actually would go on a Short cut right before So I would actually go like for if you're priming your body for the bulk. Yeah. Yeah So for a week I would run really low calorie and for me part of that strategy I found out later on was one Priming the body like sal saying right now and then two When I was getting to the point like where I felt like I was just always eating I just couldn't eat enough I just couldn't eat enough And I wanted to really spike that appetite up to where I was hungry And then I then once I got that appetite going and then I would feed it another thing that I would do Is because I struggled with bulking is I would not eat a lot of my high fats early in the morning Because what I found was if I had like too satiated, right? Like which is the opposite of what I do now when I'm just trying to maintain health and stay I eat bacon and I eat avocado and I have a very high fat breakfast and that's Satiates me and I don't want to eat till two three o'clock in the afternoon. No problem Well, when you're trying to bulk and you need to eat four or five I don't know how big you are 1,000 calories a day and having a big high fat meal even if it's a 900,000 calorie meal early in the morning I mean shit. Yeah, I don't want to eat two hours three hours four hours later I don't need for six more hours And so it makes it really tough to get enough calories in to put size on so a strategy that I would Use as I'd eat a lot of my low fat leaner calories earlier on in the day And then I'd pile pile on my higher fats and higher calorie meals Later on and later on in the evening. So that was an approach that I had And I think it's like I said, this is towards a skinny guy trying to bulk Now if I was bulking teaching Justin how to bulk Some of I would touch on the strategy that sal kind of said of I wouldn't let him go too long in the bulk Because I know he bulks really easy So I would let him run for two or three weeks at most in a surplus And then I would transition him back to like a short little cut and then go back to a bulk Short little cut go back to a bulk and never really letting him bulk for longer than about two or three weeks With these mini little three to five day Short cuts and that would be a great way to kind of keep him heading that way without putting on too much fat Now a guy like me who has a whole hard time bulking I could actually get away with four six weeks of kind of living in a surplus which I would never do Because I always throw in a low day. Yeah. Yeah, so I was going to say nonetheless You're still throwing a priming. Yeah, even if I'm on a six week bulk, right? Let's say I'm sensitive to the nutrients Yes, so even I'm on a six week bulk. I still on a bulk. I still incorporate fasting Yeah, which is counterproductive for most the bulk more effective, right? Most people think that would be weird like oh something Ben Pekolsky said that was pretty awesome is I made the comment that pro bodybuilders not only have great genetics for building muscle Great attachments great structure and great muscle building ability but they also have the great ability to be able to utilize antibiotics and The ability to eat a lot of food and not get problems and he corrected me He said no He said the best genetics for bodybuilding are being able to eat less food and get more out of that food And I thought that was brilliant. It's kind of mind-blowing. It's brilliant because that's true, right? Like in part of training your body to do that is doing exactly what you said, Adam Fasting when you're you know every once in a while while you're bulking keeping your body sensitive to nutrients because I've experienced it where I've bulked for way too long way too consistently That's all I did before and your body just stops responding. It's like, oh my god I'm eating 7,000 calories and you get so adapted to how many calories you're eating at the keeper I've definitely been in that boat many many times where I'm looking at 5,500 to a 6000 calorie goal every day And it's just daunting. It's daunting. There's no way I'm going to get that effect You're training too. I mean, you're just like bloated over, you know, just oversaturated with food Whole life your whole life for your whole day is revolving around getting those calories I'd say the biggest mistake people make when bulking is just bulking too long generally That's probably the biggest mistake like it's important to know too I remember the first time I read the stat that once we once we hit over 15 per as a male I was just gonna say I don't think any man. I don't think a guy should bulk if he's over 15% body fat like if you're over 15% Get yourself down to 15 or lower before I don't ever bolt even lower So if you if you're at 15 or above percent body fat and you you want to go on a bulk I would recommend going down to 10% body fat before you go much better option Yeah, I think your body will respond and that's just because your natural Testosterone levels start to decrease as you start getting above Your body just stops utilizing the calories for muscle. He just gained more body fat Next question is from Godzilla 1 1 1 1 2 Best way to incorporate big lift variations into a program Is it better to cycle them in or add them to your current workout with conventional lifts? So I'm assuming this person means like I'm Doing barbell squats a lot And I want to throw in a variation of a barbell squat Which may be like a safety bar squat or a front squat or earthquake bar Something like that right or instead of doing a regular deadlift doing a trap bar deadlift or I'm assuming that's what they mean The way I used to do it and it was very effective for me was Uh, I would I would interchange or replace that's it. I wouldn't add it to it because adding more volume You're already gonna so much you're gonna you're already gonna send a new signal It's a different adaptation like right that's it takes different mechanics to do a trap bar than it does a deadlift Now they're close enough that there's carryovers to both of them But they're still it's still gonna list it changed because it's it's a new stimulation All right, so I did this very um, this was actually my strategy So when I finally got my I got a 600 pound deadlift Uh years ago and that was like a big goal of mine. Like that was something I always thought about And it was really hard to get to and I got stuck at around five 65 to 570 on the straight bar like no matter what I did tempo tension Rep ranges like it was so hard to get past that I was eating a lot of food I got my body weight up to like 220 I think at the time and it just wouldn't go past that that point And so I started incorporating variations and what I did was is I started deadlifting Well, I started using chains and bands which I consider variations But then what I did which was a game changer for me was I started deadlifting with a trap bar so I actually Stopped straight bar deadlifting for About three weeks and all I did was a trap bar deadlifts And to give my my lower back a little bit of a break and I pulled Over 600 pounds on the trap bar before I pulled it on the straight bar And I believe there's some benefit to that I got used to that kind of load I got used to grinding it off the floor What that weight feels like of course your leverage is better with a trap bar So you can expect to lift anywhere between 20 to 40 more pounds on a trap bar anyway But it gave me enough of a break from the straight bar But enough of a break to where I could recover on the straight bar and get stronger with it but not Move me away from training that pattern so much that I'd lose the there's something to be there's something to be said And I believe this is the cns right that just Getting what it feels like if you've never held 600 pounds, of course, right? So just to get you I remember a old school bodybuilding trick these guys You know when I used to train back in the days with these old school guys Um, I mean I could only squat back then like 185 and they'd put 315 on my back And they'd be like step out hold it. Yeah, they'd make me unrack it Walk back with it and then re-rack it and it was just like you got to get your body used to just and that was what they say You got to get your body just used to feeling that way just feel responsive of that weight Right, and I I do I do recall like after feeling like 315 on my back when I was a kid Then going to 225 was like, oh, I I felt in way more control. So there is there is definitely You know, I think it has to do with the cns 100 I think so too You know, I think that has to do with tension and stability under heavy loads And then you go use your normal weight and it just feels lighter because it Technically is lighter now, you know by the way when something feels lighter The reason why something feels lighter is because it is lighter And I don't mean that in the literal sense like the 15 pounds magically got turned into 10 I mean it's lighter because you're you're lighter for you now So that feeling of lighter is a real thing. It's not this like arbitrary like this magical, you know, whatever You literally look I tell you what Squeeze something as hard as you can with your right hand and keep the rest of your body completely relaxed And then try doing the same thing but tense up your entire body You're going to feel like you could squeeze harder because you actually did Because you were able to activate and irradiate your entire central nervous system And that's what I think that's happening. Well, I think too like even just talking about back squat and front squat like I Intermittently exchange the two It's like a disruptor like I want to bring in my my front squat to make sure that I am responsive with my quads I am responsive with my anterior chain because it's You know, if I can use the two together and and uses as a loud gross motor movement So everything's involved, you know, that's going to help to You know benefit the lift and I'm going to feel like super supported Um, you know in that specific type of a lift and you can take that into the dead lifting take that into the bench press It's just it's it's important to kind of get your body to Um be more responsive in a different direction. So that way it then contributes now to the whole now I we all agree on this But I will say that the it doesn't mean you can't do it necessarily the other way that this person is saying too And I could see a way that I could I could add movements like this to also increase volume So look, let's say a month has gone by and I'm following maps read exactly to a T and then I decide You know what? What's a like a earthquake bar like we don't have that in maps read right or what's the other? What's the or the yoke bar right? That's my favorite right a yoke bar And I really like it too and and I have access to it at gold. So And it's not in my routine But then I've I've been going for a month and I've been this is I'm doing a total volume of Let's just say for argument's sake, you know 100,000 100,000 pounds of volume in a month on my legs You know and this month I'm going to move that to 120,000 or 110,000 and I'm going to do it through the yoke bar So everything else remains the same But now I might add that yoke bar on another off day or on top of a routine or what I'm feeling really good Whatever that that's also a way that you could technically add volume naturally into a routine But again, I think that just by changing it out with another piece You're already going to elicit some change in your body because it is a new stimulus Even though it's similar It's still new and the body will start to respond and you'll get a new It's just these little things these little tweaks to just having a different stance And you know really like getting that different recruitment pattern that you know will contribute to You know a squatting a hip hinging type of a pattern Movement is so beneficial. They may they work. I had a buddy Recently I was just talking to a friend of mine who He got stuck on a 185 pound overhead press and he weighs 170 pound So that's a decent overhead press for a guy that weighs 170 And he just couldn't it was always his max. He just couldn't go over it So he stopped overhead pressing and he started practicing handstand push-up handstand push-ups And that's all he did. So first it took him a while. So now he's got like a lot more control and stability So he practiced handstand push-ups got good at them Didn't do any overhead pressing with the barbell for months For shits and giggles went back to the barbell and did two reps with the weight that he could only do one Rep with before and he hadn't done them at all. So it's there's a lot of carryover and a lot of benefit from from doing You know changing things up a little same thing with holding the kettlebells overhead. Oh, I got a huge one for that Absolutely. Yeah, next question is from spam rice and eggs Thoughts on the recent study that came out stating caffeine inhibits the adaptation induced by hit workouts Did you read this? I did. So this was published Black. So so don't dr. Andy galpin Oh, that's the one that I take. Okay. Yeah, he shared this. So this was in this was an animal study It's one study. So we got to be clear. It doesn't mean it's not conclusive by any stretch of the imagination. However It does point in the same direction that other studies have pointed to So what the study showed basically was that giving caffeine before a high intensity interval type training workout Resulted in less of a cardiovascular adaptation Than not taking caffeine. So in other words, if you're training If this was a human study and people were training to increase their stamina or their vo2 max or something like that Taking caffeine before the workouts over a period of months of doing this training or whatever Would result in less of a positive adaptation or less of an improvement in endurance It makes logical sense to me because you're already artificially confusing. Yes So here's what happens. So and this is like a rolling start with a car versus a dead stop Yeah, and in lots of studies point to this like what you do that What if you do things to yourself or take things or optimize things to make yourself perform better in the moment Yeah, that means you're going to have a you're gonna have less of a signal and by the way, there's This doesn't in this is not infinite infinite. Excuse me. There are infinite. There are infinite. There are limiting factors here So obviously if we go to extreme in the other direction, it's not good either But the more you do to make yourself perform better The less of a of an adaptation signal is sent to the body So in other words, if I work out really fucking hard and then I go jump in an ice bath to reduce inflammation So I'm not sore the next day. I will recover faster, but I've also reduced this signal that tells my body Right the benefits because because of the inflammation That's right. And so caffeine kind of does this because you take caffeine and it makes you perform better So it sends a signal to your body that it's not as stressful Well, it's the same like that study you mentioned a long time ago with ibuprofen and like how athletes had reduced performance because they took it Like before their workout trying to stay ahead of it in a sense of the inflammation But the inflammation is actually that's the trigger That's the the catalyst to get things to kind of move in the direction you want as far as building muscle Now, I think this is a line with things that we've said many many times before But I also want to play devil's advocate here too and understand that or let the audience know too that The difference is is probably very very very very very small And then if that cup of coffee or whatever you had is what it took to get you to promote you to even work out To promote you to even work out and had you not taken that you didn't work out Then there's that I I could argue that way too Well, there's also I can already see a lot of groans because of this study like Yeah, they're drinking their coffee then they're going orange I think the real takeaway is that and that's how I've always treated pre-workout I've there's always been a pre-workout up on my cupboard somewhere. They lost a very very long time When I when I decide I'm going to set a goal. I'm going to do this or I'm going to be consistent about this And I have something that I'm trying to obtain And I have a morning where I'm just not there, you know, and I feel like I need that boost This is the this is what I'm this is a conversation. I'm having with myself like, okay Well, woman's the last time I had it. Okay. It's not a big deal. I'm gonna have it today You know, what if I ran that back two days and not that big of a deal three to okay Hold on here like this where where I'm heading down I'm now becoming dependent on this thing for me to get up to go do this workout And I'm also knowing that I'm getting less results because I'm having to use to get there I don't want it my I don't want my workouts to diminish. I don't want to get I don't have small There's another factor that we're not considering here and that is that sometimes things that optimize You can adjust your volume and intensity then to make up the difference in terms of adaptation So I'll give you an example the one that I used earlier, right where I jump in an ice bath right after my hard workout Well, if yes, that is dampening the the anabolic signal or the adaptation signal that my session just that tried to send However, if that allows me to train harder and more frequently Well, now I've made up the difference right does that make sense? So so if you're an athlete or you're like training at the edge at the razor's edge Then sometimes these things are the difference that allows you to train At this particular people that always get defensive with us too when we talk about things like this And it's you're not the motherfucker. I'm talking to I'm talking to the other 90% of the world You know I'm saying it's like there's always some like Extreme athlete or somebody who's measuring everything I need the ice bath because I train twice a day. Yeah. Well, okay That's different. Yeah, exactly. I mean we're not knocking that for that. It's so and that was the difference I think that was a lot of what we brought when we when we agreed when we brought mind pump out It's like this is we're not talking specifically maybe to us or competitors or somebody at the sport athletes at the elite level We're talking about everybody else in the world that wants to be in really good shape because you can get in fucking Really good shape and you don't need to do what a lot of these professional athletes are paying to do or getting addicted to It's not necessary for them They have a sport that they're trying to perform for a mask when you do cardio Yeah, no exactly right to try and get this this little competitive extra edge. It's like no save Savior those things are expensive what the the altitude mask Yeah, I thought it's just a little foam and bring it through a straw. Those things are over a hundred bucks. Just buy a snorkel Right. Yeah, literally well that's actually what that's actually how the guy got the idea It is is that we're athletes that we're using a snorkel And so and so so Peter he's like oh great idea and I'm gonna do that Tape it around your head. Yeah, it's at the gym same Whenever I see someone with a snorkel like when I go snorkeling, which I don't do very often But when I do do you guys ever get the urge to like sprinkle some water down Some powder So messed up god damn Anyway, so yeah, anything you do to optimize your performance is Probably going to reduce the adaptation signal But of course if that results in more frequency or volume or intensity Then it negates it and it's all a balancing act. I mean, that's really at the end of the day That's what it all boils down to. It's it's a balancing act. I personally Uh, love caffeine. I think it's great. I love the effects But I like the effects of caffeine when my receptors are fresh And when I haven't been over using it when I abuse caffeine, I don't like it. It makes me anxious Doesn't make me feel good. Check yourself. That's it before You wreck yourself. That's it. That's the end of the show. We're done. That's the end Go to the app store on your phone and download the mind pump media app This is so you can listen to our episodes and search amongst the episodes with particular topics. We have like 700 and I don't know something episode a lot seven million You want to find out you want to find out the episode where adam talks about Painting his toenails. You can search that find it. That is a class. You want to talk about taint? You want to talk you want to the old school? You want to hear about justin's glute training routine? Yeah You can search it. 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