 Here everyone welcome back to the zealot informer podcast. I believe episode 22 and This is gonna be a bit of a special episode not only because we have some amazing news But because this is technically the last episode where I am your full main host of the show No worries. I'm not going anywhere Alfred the co-host is actually going to be taking over the full-time hosting duties Which for those that don't know it obviously means opening up the show kind of guiding the flow of it Sometimes controlling the conversation. I know I talked too much at times But it also means like gathering up all the topics and you know trying to keep up on everything kind of all the pre-production And post-production work except for weeks when he's too busy So I gotta I gotta fill in as the main host or have to do the editing that week It's kind of something we'll work out between each other. That's the benefit of having two hosts But he's gonna be kind of do it all that so I can focus all my efforts on the Nintendo Prime podcast And working on all the production value for that while also doing all my other zealot informer obligations, which For mass ceases purposes the owner pretty much. He's driving traffic to the site So whatever I could do to maintain traffic levels Which generally just means creating some really really awesome content for you guys whether it's the podcast Boss man series which I want to get going again. I actually have two episodes of the boss man already recorded I just haven't had time to edit any video for it but more on that later because we have a jam-pack podcast and This week we are joined by mr. Daren Hey, how's it going? Who's very happy to be here because I might be talking about a little little console reveal here That unfortunately he couldn't make it on the Nintendo Prime podcast for because Daren is a regular on that one And then mr. Kristen. Hi, gotta be back Glad to be back We also have a little bit a little bit of exciting news I don't want to to spoil it for him too much We have a zealot former staff member who actually has a phone interview with Nintendo for a job Yeah, so Like congrats man, you know, I know you listen to the podcast He's actually someone who's been on the podcast before our live at e3 podcast. So congrats to you my man and let's get into the week that is The fallout from the Nintendo switch reveal also on a side note. We have Alfred with us. Yes. Yes. Well, I kind of Yeah, you already mentioned that I was here. Yeah, I did mention he was here but all right, um, so I Was going to start off double Nintendo switch, but this is the Zelda Informer podcast so everyone knows that I like to start off with something Zelda and Thankfully the Nintendo switch showed off some Zelda so The quickest thing I could get from looking at the new breath of the wild footage out from the Nintendo switch reveal is That there was a new like boss like enemy like it looked like maybe another overworld boss kind of situation Yeah, yeah You guys have any thoughts and theories on what exactly that thing is the giant giant giant cobblin thing Yeah, some people maybe the hynax Yeah, I'm back It kind of looked more like a vocablin. Yeah Something with blinn at the end like a big. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it definitely looks like like obviously It didn't look like something we haven't seen as all the before we just haven't seen them this big Like this was a huge. Yeah, clearly Signature boss big I in the middle of it that you're supposed to whack at well, that's no surprise That's kind of the way that enemy is always Lisa doesn't have two giant hands and just a head. Yeah, right I also just want to bring it up. I haven't done a close enough examination yet I know unfortunately Daniel who couldn't make it to the podcast this week. He wanted to he's gonna be doing a really close Examination of the actual footage of the game in there but did you guys notice any differences between that and the Supposed Wii U version it looked a little better like yeah, of course we learned later that that wasn't like Actually running on it yet. Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't mean it's not intended to be switched. Just yeah, we're not 100% sure It could have been we it may have been recorded off of the switch and then put into the video later Yeah, I've been recorded on the Wii U or record it off a PC. Yeah, you know, we don't know with that I'm I can only go with what I'm speculating is that it's gonna run better infinitely better And that's what my hope is but it did look we didn't get a lot of new footage from it Sure, like that big boss and then that 40 extra minutes of gameplay. So that was a bonus to the day yeah, I mean that the 40 extra minutes of gameplay that was Just for people who don't know we I just got this up on the site at the time of this recording like right before we started and That the 40 extra minutes of gameplay footage is unedited. It does come from Nintendo It's all direct feed and it is the Wii U version. They're very clearly using the gamepad Don't understand a dang thing. They're saying because it's all Japanese But it's basically just the beginning area of the game Just unedited so you see them die. You see them, you know experiment with different mechanics and different enemies Nothing overly new per se, but new in that there's no demo restriction on the time So it's just kind of watching someone play the opening of the game We want to talk about that. They're not rushed. They were playing it like they were rushed. Yeah, that's right They translated from the GCG X playthrough The what the one that game sender yeah the playthrough that we got a few information or few tidbits of information from you You mean the one that talked about the dungeons and stuff. Yeah, the dungeons. Yeah, that was a whole system. It was yeah Okay. Yeah, if you guys see a thing floating around It came originally from 4chan, which you know is about as reliable as take take with an entire mine of salt Yeah, 4chan. I mean they've gotten some leaks. It's just It's very I have a little less respect for the staff member who brought it up because he was probably on 4chan when he saw that so Yeah, because no one no one's reported like that that video that the translation was from has been reported at a whole bunch of sites but nothing mentioned from it about anything new and It felt weird that like GameSpot would post the video but not Like have any additional information because they have people who speak Japanese on their team So like it when I saw that it kind of made me question it because at first I was going through it I'm trying to because I don't speak Japanese. I don't understand Japanese So I was trying to understand it and there was like some rough translate tools out there for these kind of videos And they kind of sort of sounded like that was what was going on and then Someone that I know that happens to natively understand Japanese listen to like the first 20 minutes and none of that stuff was mentioned so Obviously could have been mentioned towards the end But then if you go through that 4chan thread pretty much there's a whole bunch of people on there like all pissed off It's fake. So don't don't believe what it says. Yeah, don't believe it So just to kind of give a run it'd be really cool if this was true by the way, you know The the supposed report from that video which we posted on the site and doesn't exist Like it's not this isn't real is something like one one main dungeon per area, which I think would excite a lot of people Because I think there's if you go back and look at the map. There's something like seven areas Yeah, so at least seven confirmed areas that we could see so that would be seven dungeons You know the hundred plus mini dungeons, which is what the what of course the report started off with because we already know that's true Mm-hmm. That's how that's something about an underground And and then What was it there was one other big one the towns every location has its own time like each each Area has its own town which all the side quest going on which all of it makes sense. Mm-hmm Like that would be really really cool if that's all true Like it does logically kind of make sense outside of the fact that there's seven areas and that opening area does not have a main dungeon, so Well that we know of that we never aware of but like I've explored the entirety of that area if they could have ripped it out I guess mm-hmm. I don't know how you rip out an entire dungeon I don't know I I think a lot of people believe the four chance stuff mainly because it you know Not only because like a lot of switch rumors became true But also for a fact that a lot of the rumors fortune make a guy a fortune post up needs sense in a way Well, like the switch rumors no one really believed crap from fortune Yeah, those rumors were coming from Euro gamer reputable place Let's play video games, you know, let's play video games Emily Roger, which is basically Laura Cate Dale and Laura Cate Dale is Used to work at destructoid She works at Kotaku and Kotaku so like she actually, you know, obviously has been inside the video game media like a major Outlets not like Zelda informer not that we're not cool and everything Well, we don't have like those big contacts like just as past E3 for the first time in like the eight years all the forms Been around we finally have a contact that works at Nintendo Like that's how long it took it, you know, we might have another one Yeah, you know, yeah, I might have another one soon if you get the job Although we start getting them on the inside and then we why I didn't mention any names Get a fire before he's even hired But no, so it's kind of one of those things where I Don't even know where I was just going with that to be honest Just ignored the sort of love for sure. Yeah, it's just kind of ignore for Chan Like a lot of these rumors just came from, you know Places that are a bit more reputable than something in like Stick with reddit. Yeah, it's more names. You could put names to the rumors Like who was responsible for them this time around Emily Rogers She has been lambasted especially as a little informer by everyone Besides the staff the staff are moving kind of easy on her And she was one of the main rumor people behind this and she nailed it Mm-hmm. Yeah, just as an example of someone who you know was clearly in the know about the switch and everything So and and to be fair she was wrong about gender options Yeah, so Reasons to be legit like skeptical of stuff she says but we mentioned it last time, you know broken clock is still right twice a day Yeah, but I mean You could say But see whenever I hear like broken clock is still like twice a day That means that she's just making a bunch of shit up and see what sticks to the wall And like obviously some of it's going to stick. Yeah Literally everything she has stated Well, like everything she has stated about the switch was 100% true. Yeah, so it's like this isn't just throwing him out of the wall She knows She hasn't seen it herself clearly, but she knows So that that's just really cool plus now it helps that like Laura Kate Dale who was 100% spot-on and Claims that she actually has a contact inside Nintendo, which is crazy Like she actually broke down where all of her rumors came from mm-hmm all the different sources that she has and Like that's that's nuts and like she's all like yeah, like Emily Rogers knows people too, and I'm like, okay. Well All right, I Mean clearly she does so I think that's kind of a nice transition to let's just talk about that switch, baby Mm-hmm that Nintendo switch because obviously that's the topic of every of the whole internet. It's all anyone's talking about They dissected the game pattern of three parts little little dinky bits of information have been coming out every day The day that this podcast comes out We're probably gonna have a nice chunk of new information from the investors meeting. Oh, that's right So just so people know this podcast is recorded on Mondays so the investors meeting is happening or has happened before you listen to this most likely and So we're not talking about anything that came out of that. So if they announce price, you know or anything like we have no idea All we have is what analysts are saying and what Nintendo has said for like 100% certain And then the the rumor people that got all the stuff, right? I've also released more information that so if you rely on this podcast for news go to zeldenformer.com Yep, yeah, yeah, or you get you know, you can check on the Nintendo Prime We've been adding a few more details there as well about about this specific system Like the full publisher list, which we'll probably get into here in a little bit. So Nintendo switch obviously I've talked a lot about it already with the zi reacts and For those who don't know the Nintendo Prime podcast, which will be published before this one Is now published at Zeldinformer as well. So you'll probably see all my thoughts about Nintendo switch there I'm gonna kind of turn this over to my co-host Alfred and the rest of the gang here Go like start reacting start talking to both cells like like this is huge this is the next generation of Nintendo stuff and Most of my friends most of my roommates I've lived with six other guys and Even they were getting kind of excited kind of hype for it because not because it's you know You like it looks like the Wii U again Which is at first instinct what it looks like the only difference here is that they're marketing it better But you know, they saw the trailer for it. They're like wow, that looks pretty cool They saw the games simulated on it and whether or not those games are gonna be the games that we get on it like Skyrim NBA we know we're getting a new Mario game. Obviously like that's not They wouldn't just make up an entire Mario game to put on The plus me and moto teased Mario last year or not or this summer and so we already kind of have an idea like Skyrim is Possibility maybe but we know that we're gonna get like Splatoon. We know that we're gonna get a new Mario game We know we're gonna get breath of the wild those look like launch games to me Which would be great. Those would be great launch games. I'm really excited for that And I said launch window games. Yeah, not your window games. Maybe not launch day games But one of the things that we one of things that I think the most exciting thing about this for me Wasn't necessarily the console reveal, but the fact or but how they revealed it like this is going back to Like older Nintendo back in the Wii era of commercials where they're Clearly showing off what the console does in a way that conveys the entire message of it to the audience and makes it Understandable without doing a Nintendo Direct like there was no one going up on stage saying well, this is what it is This is what it does I mean, I'd love to see a Nintendo Direct for the games but I think we all have a pretty good idea of how the switch works now and What to expect when it comes out and I'm I know I'm excited for it. I'm hoping that they don't like Release other information later on that kind of kills that excitement because it's a huge possibility That we could learn some things that like one of the more troubling things that I've heard is the fact that the game pad Quote-unquote might have only like a three-hour battery life Which doesn't sound too bad, but if this is supposed to be a primarily portable like game system That's the marketing it as a primarily home console Yeah, but you can take on most of it was like a good portion of that commercial was they taking it on the go They're taking it on planes And even at one point Emily Rogers treated tweeted out that if they're marketing this as more like a Even though it's a console, but something that you take portably, you know She was hoping for like more things on it like maybe even a Netflix like hope like that's kind of a standard thing to have now On a console to have like Netflix support who is support Crunchyroll support? Amazon video and all that stuff But I want to see how they handle third parties with this console and not just games But third parties in general like third-party apps because I think that that'd be really cool to see But like you said Nate We're gonna go ahead and get into the third parties that are coming on to the system and that have pledged support and keep in mind That they've pledged support for it. That doesn't mean that they're actually making a game for it right now Like we have confirmed Ubisoft and we have confirmed Sega And I think that is that all we know for sure that they're having a game Image-informed games. Yeah But like there's You know on the list said Bethesda and from software and Atlas and a bunch of other ones And that right now is just saying that they are pledging to support The switch that doesn't necessarily mean that we're gonna get all games from them yet So take that like it's exciting news Don't give you wrong to see all those names saying that we're interested in this console But don't get especially from software especially from software especially Bethesda Those two names should get you guys excited for what this thing could do if they're believing in it that much If they're willing to pledge support for it, then you know, yeah, I don't think we have anything to worry about with this console I don't think it's gonna be just remember with that pledge support I Think that means that at least all of the game publishers on that list We're gonna get at least one game out of them. Yeah, you know I think that's the only way those even appear on that list is they've told Nintendo look We're gonna do at least one title and see what happens So that could be a dark Remaster like like we saw Skyrim Remastered shown on the system Now obviously that is not a confirmed title for it for the system Obviously it was heavily heavily featured So it would be really weird if that did not come to the system after being heavily featured But the official word from Bethesda is that they have nothing to say or nothing to announce about any specific titles for the system And Nintendo recently announced that all the footage was superimposed And so it was not necessarily natively running on the switch Doesn't mean it wasn't natively running on the switch like in terms of when they recorded the footage It wasn't natively running during the commercial None of the we know because there was a person who was on the commercial that got interviewed by game explain that None of the none of the actual systems like they were they were holding like legit systems that worked But they didn't actually get to play any games on it So all that footage you see in the show like even when you see it seamlessly switch from the TV to the to the switch When he pulls it off the dock Like that's all superimposed. That's not like happening in real-time. Yeah, which is common practice for production Very common practice, especially like this early. Well, also if you want to like as a videographer You're not gonna get a good picture of this of the pick of the screen with a camera Like oh, no, it's not gonna look that good. It's not gonna sound that good It's not gonna look good at all. So that that's that makes sense that they would do that I'm not surprised that they did that like if you want to know like a comparison go back and look at the game awards footage Yeah Then titled Zelda you because it did not look that clean in comparison and that was pre-recorded So it looks like a game-cube game Yeah, like that's how you know like that's what legit off-screen footage looks like now There's way that they could do do it to be better, but I mean it's not like they used a crappy camera for that Yeah, yeah, but also another thing to get excited for is the fact that they're go They're returning to form with the pro controller and that it's an actual controller Not like attached to a we-mode or anything like that because that's exciting. That's something that we yeah The thing is I've talked to a few people and they and they tell me the switch controller looks so uncomfortable But they they didn't see the pro controller. Yeah, they didn't notice that they just noticed that The weird controller with the signs that come off them like there's a there's a pro controller that comes with the two though I think they're going to Cuz I've actually seen a lot of people complained about those are called the two side controllers aren't called joy-carn controllers Yeah, you know that's some people complain about them Especially when they're like docked in that thing because it looks really silly Although if you look at how that actually is shaped it actually looks just like the pro controller just on the bottom part Is is flat instead of like shaped which I don't think is gonna watch the watch the trailer again And then when he takes the sides off look at the controller and how it looks with the sides off it looks decent Yeah, yeah, um, so You know my only hope I guess with the controllers is because there's always good people that think it's gonna be really weird Especially if you're someone who wants to use it strictly as a home console system I'm kind of hoping that they Include the pro controller. Yeah, but they ship it with every console like at least like just ship it They just ship one pro controller with every console because that way you're not saying you can't play the game with those joy-carn controller You can but like we really you know, we're not lying. This is a home console system We want to give you the most comfortable controller to use it at home Here's the thing if they include the controller, which I think we all wanted to want them to I don't think they will Jack the price off of it. No, they're not going to and but it's gonna jack the price I don't want them rather than sell the switch at an affordable price You have a choice You're releasing this system the base bundle like they might have like some super package bundle that includes a controller and some games or What I don't know whatever they decided because there was that one rumor about two different packages for it But like the base bundle, let's say it's like $2.99 or whatever They can include something in it. What's one of two things? Do you think would be better for them a free game or the pro controller pro controller? That that's a really interesting question I think it'd be the pro controller because a lot of people complained with the we controllers and the we Controller that they wanted a more traditional controller and that's where we got the pro controllers from is because of that want need for the for a standard regular controller and To not include that in the first place kind of doesn't make sense to me Like Anderson that you're trying to push the portable aspect of it Yeah, but I mean when it's plugged into the TV You're not really not going to be using the joy con controllers that much like I just as a Like I can just see that you're not going to use them a lot not that you won't But you know when I sit down and I have it docked I'm not going to want to go out of my way to take off their controllers I'm just going to want to turn it on with the pro controller and play a game And I think a lot of people are going to want to do that too because it's yeah great as those are You know, plus I think there might be people that This kind of gets into a fan topic that might well That probably will come up later Some people have been concerned that the You know the sliding on and off of the controllers that over time that can create wear and tear Yeah, and that those controllers might a year down the road Just not stay connected anymore And that might make people too afraid to take them on and off too much like that Like if you're always switching between home at home and on the go Like obviously when you're at home you have to you know, you need a controller to play And when it's docked and if that's the only controls you have you're going to take them off Yeah You know, and if you're constantly taking it on the going at home like a lot of commuters would probably be doing Uh It does seem, you know, almost detrimental to be like look, you know If you don't want to wear and tear you got to go buy this other 60 dollar controller with it So now instead of being you know, 299 now, you're really talking about 360 bucks, which doesn't really sound as attractive Um versus it being in the box, but at the same time Games sell systems Yeah, that's sorry to interject That's the main reason like I'm not really like I'm excited but not excited for the switch is just the games Like I showed my brother in a trailer my dad trailer. They like the concept, but overall The we always comes in my house. It comes down to the games like for me personally too like Um, I as much as I love the the whole hybrid thing. It's really cool and stuff But it's just for me it always comes down to the games. I need to I need to be convinced to be invested Well in terms of the wear and tear of the controller keep in mind too that Like it or hate it the iphone 7 only has that charging port now And one of the things that happens with I know at least the Chords for the iphone is that over the course of your use of them taking it in and out Eventually wears down the pins on those I don't know how it affects the inside of the phone itself Because I've had phones for like two or three years and the pins haven't died down on those Always always Yeah, the cords always break whether it's the pins whether it's the pin part snapping off Really frustrating with iPhones too Yeah, because if you want if you actually want like the best cords you almost have to buy like official iphone ones Yep, because or really really expensive really really expensive third party Like I'm using right now, you know people at home They don't know I'm recording this like my my video feed part of this podcast with my my iphone success plus And the cord I'm using to keep it charged during all this is was like a $40 six foot cord that I that's duracell branded that has officially been supported by apple And the reason that I did that is because it will allow the phone to charge while I transfer information And you get a lot of those cheaper lightning cords because they don't have the apple chip in them Like there's a little especially little micro chip they put in put in the ends of them It will either only charge and it'll charge at a slower rate than what lightning should charge at Or it'll only transfer data and not charge at all It sucks here on the apple informer podcast. We have really sucks Well, but but that that's kind of bringing it all back around to the like the system the wear and tear for the system like if If they've done something to where they can assure us that it won't wear and tear that much like over the course of You know because you want the console to last You know six seven years for a lifespan typical lifespan of a console Um And if it starts if you're made the main draw of it the fact that it's a portable console You could take their controllers on and off of If that's the main draw of the console say from the games like christin said Then you're going to want to make sure that there's those are sturdy consoles or sturdy controllers The only thing I think I'd say that might Might allow them to get away with it um is One well two two things one they sell the joy-con controllers at stores individually. Yeah Not so much In that they are worried about you replacing the ones you have because you never want to like Sell those extra things on the standalone because that's automatically going to make you think they're cheap And they're going to break even if they are cheap at the store like let's say they're 10 bucks for each joy-con control Like that that would be really cheap and really affordable um But more so because you're going to offer custom customizing For those things like say people want that right joystick back above the buttons You're you're going to sell ones that do that if people want that Like it just won't be the default or joy-con is with specific designs on them like with you want a d-pad There will be one with a d-pad like a lot of people haven't talked about the fact that the fact that these are removable means They're replaceable very easily by different control schemes Um, and I think that's one way they can get away with the wear and tear a little bit Is they could offer like really really cheap, you know They could basically offer those exact same ones plus a whole bunch of other different versions really cheap as accessories And then I think people will be a lot more okay if it does wear and tear a little because it's so cheap to just replace Speaking of that then do you think we're going to start seeing like um mad cats and other companies come out with joy-con controllers That's why I was thinking yeah I don't think so maybe later on down the line like not like immediately like Yeah, oh, yeah, it definitely won't be immediately. Um I You know, I I think the actual controllers that attach to the system I don't think they're going to be able to I don't think antenna is going to allow that patent to go out For the third party. Yeah, I think they're going to want to keep that internally But they will allow things like third party mad cat pro controllers Yeah, um and all that kind of stuff if you don't want to pay 60 bucks for uh, you know more standard controller For a good one. You just buy or a good one. Yeah, like like let's be honest the wii pro controller is awesome Mm-hmm. Yes, it's amazingly well built like it is the standard of Nintendo quality become accustomed to It's almost in like direct like It's like the opposite of what the wii u feels like Um, not that I think it's poorly built, but you look at and it looks cheap. It looks like a toy The pro controller does not feel that way. I just hate that they those plug into the we motes It's my only grip of the pro controller. It's just so stupid that does that But we've seen that the pro controller in this commercial for the switch almost called the nx is wireless Yeah, it's sort of the wireless there are pro controllers by way of the wii that are wireless Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the standard ones like they're the expensive ones, but yeah They're and to be fair they're actually really hard to find Because everybody wants it. They didn't they didn't really produce a lot of them like they're still making them, but they're just I don't know how much longer they keep making it for but that I got pro controller I see that on wii u. That's the first accessory I got was a pro controller This is something that that I've seen some other people talk about. Um Backwards compatibility with controllers You guys think the switch is going to pull it off? They said that They're not I thought I thought they said they weren't going to do backwards compatibility They said no backwards compatibility with games Well, yeah, that's obvious. It doesn't have There's no CD drive. So Well, there's a count for that Well, there's a count two for downloadable tiles. You get off your wii u virtual Well, what they said for that they said physical media what they said for the online games I don't remember if I This might have been a dream and I might have been hallucinating this but um I'm on like a lot of cold medication right now Is thank you Is that you can use one of the joy counter controllers as a pointer for like 3ds titles? Yeah, yeah, is that a real talking about that because um There was there's a rumor out there that nintendo is Like there's gonna be like 10 like suppose a 10 point multiple touch or something like that on the screen But obviously that's not really Work that's not gonna work on a tv and because nintendo wants to ensure compatibility They want to they want like everyone to make sure their games don't require A second screen. Yeah But if you do want to have like a touch only feature that one of the joy counter controllers can be an ir pointer That that's the supposed rumor that wasn't like losing my mind No, you're losing my that that's like a recent thing. I think I just okay yesterday or something Yeah, good. I'm not going obviously we don't know if any of that's true But um, it would be interesting for nintendo to be able to get it's got touch Which by the way, they don't show off at all in the reveal. Yeah I think they're trying to distance themselves from that Yeah, I think it's one of those like yeah, it has it But it's just kind of like they're kind of looking at it. They're trying to make it be like Yeah, that's just a feature but like that's not a selling point Well, it's that's kind of like a standard for nintendo consoles. It's like it looks like a tablet So it can function like a tablet, but that's not what we're talking about. That's not why it's got microsoft office on it So one thing I do want to talk about with with this just briefly is Nintendo target audience for this They there's no kids or families of any kind in the reveal It's a bunch of 20 and 30 year olds playing games Um, like playing, you know, what what what they are trying to perceive or try to show off as triple a hardcore kind of gaming From skyrim remastered obviously breath of the wild starting off with their half most highly targeted game right now Revealing what we believe to be a new mario game unless that was all just made up and I dealt that entire thing was made up And splatoon and mario kart Splatoon splatoon and mario kart not just splatoon and mario kart but updated versions and splatoon being shown off as an esport So more than that too just kind of like a side note Does this mean because we've already we're seeing like a splatoon redone Um with more features in it and a mario kart with more characters Does this mean that we're going to see super smash brothers with new characters in it That's a possibility The only my only pause with that is You know, I went back and watched that footage over and over and over again um Splatoon and mario kart looked noticeably improved visually Over the Wii U versions of the game like assuming that that because the new rumors are saying that these are not like sequels These are remasters basically with new content and stuff Um, and that's great. I mean that that's awesome Those games deserve to be in front of a bigger audience than they got on Wii U and It's it's one of those things where I wonder if smash is even going to be one of those Because I don't see it really looking that much better comparatively. All all you would really do is just add more stages and more characters Well, I don't know that that shows off enough Well, like I like it sounds like it's enough but the at least with splatoon and the mario kart they showed like you could Look at me. Okay. Like this is This is why you should own a switch where you look at the Stuff with like smash coming over Wii U owners just be like, well, why can't we have those characters in those stages? Yeah, I like like like it just feels like like with splatoon Obviously, you could argue, you know, they should have those maps and everything but the characters look different customizable hair You know all the stuff that the Wii U can't do apparently for some reason Or maybe we'll see like an updated UI an updated system in general Yeah, I just I don't know if sakurai would Do that You know, well, I don't know if sakurai's like put it this way There's not going to be new characters added to the smash unless sakurai's working on it Um, at least this this version of smash. Yeah, we have no idea. You know, sakurai's working on smash six Yeah, he's working on something. He said he already knows that his next project is going to be Yeah, and I don't think it's not smash. I don't think it's smash I think he's actually trying to get away from smash and now that Unfortunately, Satoru Iwata has passed away Um, I don't think he feels like this big obligation that he has to keep making smash bros as a favor to Mr. Iwata anymore Um, so it's one of those things where I think you're going to see that future smash games It might not have anything to do with sakurai anymore Let me say maybe he might be like an overseer like kind of like Miyamoto like Miyamoto for the for the franchise plays the Miyamoto But yeah, I I think for this particular smash game for Wii U and 3ds um I don't think he's doing any more work on it and because he's not he's not going to allow Any more work to be done. Okay, that makes sense Like I think he's going to be like look like you're not releasing new characters on this unless I'm the one that fine tunes him And I don't want to do that If you want to make a new smash game be my guest And I think that might be why they didn't show it off because I think maybe The thought is that's going to be the one game that doesn't come over because they're just going to make a new one But it also makes like like you said that they you want to see mario curtain splatoon have More exposure that they had on the Wii U and smash was a huge game But it still was you'd limited to the Wii U audience, which is very small 3ds It had 3ds. That's true. It is actually one of the highest selling smash games of all time. That's true So like that's taking a new account both Like splatoon and mario car, you know, actually the students sold really well for a new ip to be honest It's especially on the because the marketing was fantastic for oh, it was great That's what happens on the Nintendo markets. Yeah, it's a great game Like the game almost markets itself because it's totally like that 90s kick man But it's one of those where smash for 3ds and Wii U actually did sell really really well They don't necessarily have to be like, oh, that's part of the next one I think fans of that series would be more excited about having a new smash game Yeah, that's you know exclusive to uh, you know, I almost had a next there It's gonna take a while it's gonna take a long time to use the same switch, which by the way, yeah He's starting games aside. What do you guys think of the name? It's not we fine. Well, see we was a brilliant name We was a terrible name. I never thought that we was a good title. I'm sorry Well, the reason it it marketed itself as A console for everyone to play like as a family or as a group of friends So the we made sense and like the the me's made sense like that that name made sense Like it was natural and the whole marketing for that was we would like to play with you Or we all would like to play so that makes sense And the we use name not Didn't really hit that kind of marketing where it made sense like I yeah Like we're trying to make a hardcore gaming machine that you could play by yourself for you But we don't want to give up the wee brand name. Yeah, it was it was we you Does anybody find it ironic that like their code names usually sound better than their actual names they come out with Well, I don't know. Would you rather have had the game cube or the nintendo dolphin? Oh, no, no, like, um, okay I'm not saying all like, uh, I think he's talking about like revolution. Yeah. Yeah, like the revolution Well, here's the thing. I don't think I I think, um I think as as like a Like a hardcore nintendo fan obviously, uh, that I love a lot of the code names that nintendo has had and I Won't care if the systems were called that like alpha just said, you know game cube dolphin I don't care both the same in my book. Um, I mean game cube is literally describing. It's a cube that plays games But dolphin to me just sounds badass And just like, you know revolution to wee revolution to me sounds completely badass But we actually make sense for what the system is So it's kind of like revolution appeals to me, but we wasn't trying to appeal to me So like it kind of we was trying to appeal to my mom was trying to appeal to my sister It was trying to basically appeal to people who don't play games Um at a time when smart devices weren't even a thing yet Yeah, so like and it succeeded Yeah, and it worked like like as much as you can I know christen really doesn't like that. We name. Well, that's the thing It wasn't for you Mm-hmm. They weren't trying to market it to you. They were trying to market it to the hundred million other people who bought it And it worked like that was a successful Yeah, that was great. I mean granted, you know, it was mostly in it within a three-year run But it was a brilliant three-year. Oh, they yeah, they made tons of money off the Wii And I think that they could do that with the switch because the switch It's a weird name to me Like it's it makes sense. I just think it's kind of weird Yeah, you know the switch to me there's a couple things with it one I also like it to the game cube the game cube was a literal literal description It's a cube that plays games. Yeah, like it's if you think about it's really not that clever of a name It's it's it's literal. It's stupid, but no one really call it. I mean we all just call that a GCN Well, even then made no sense because it was the nintendo game cube. So it should have been the ngc What everyone call it even if you think about a lot of the consoles They don't like the names themselves don't make sense or they make sense because they're literal like the play station It's a station for gaming or the xbox. It's a box with an x on it like Well, it's it's it the x I guess was something to do with like extreme box. Yeah, it was it was a more gary gamer thing I feel like i'm one of the only ones that actually really likes the switch name Um, I know a lot of people said they should have just stuck with nx But I feel like the x thing has been done I think I think if they would have what would have maybe been a natural natural choice if they wanted to build off the nx Is because the x means cross in japan just called the nintendo cross But yeah, but like again, I think I think here's the thing Like I don't I'm not exactly thrilled by the switch name As I said, it's going to take me a long time to start calling it a switch because in specifically because it's not nearly as clever Is like we was however I think they went with the name switch Because of how bad the we u brand name was I think it's a literal reaction to We you tells people nothing we need to put out a name that explains exactly what this thing is And we can't be creative like we did with the we were we were we made up a word and it works Like we can't do that again. There's switch which you can switch works like the tv people are going to go to the store Like nintendo's switch. Oh, look at that on the box. There's a guy playing it. Then he sticks it on the dot. Oh, okay Yeah, and even then in like a more metaphorical sense I don't this may not be true But you can even take it as a switch from the old nintendo Oh, yeah, if you wanted to go so far Like and I think maybe one of the other reasons why they didn't stick with nx because nx could have been the final name for the console But like we said and like has been said in the past the only person that knew what nx meant was saturi wada Yeah, he didn't tell anyone. Yeah, he didn't tell anyone So that could have been the intended name for this console But unfortunately he passed so we we didn't know what it was or didn't know what it meant Maybe it meant something like nintendo cross or whatever But we will never know and it's one of those mysteries that will never have salt Um So it's it like you said it makes sense. It's a good. It's just kind of weird. Yeah, because it's an unconventional name so I'm gonna kind of flip the script because I want to get to our fan topics and It's no surprise. I don't think there's a single fan topic this week that isn't about the switch So we're talking about the switch. So we might as well let the fans give us stuff to talk about um You know, and then you know, maybe after we're done going over this stuff We'll kind of give a general like are we excited for it kind of thing because obviously none of us have really stated if we like it or not um So the first fan topic comes from twitter from uh at baff rib burger Ben free burger is is the the name that he has on the account He says do you believe nintendo will have enough hardware ready to roll on release of the switch On launch day to actually ensure everyone can have one Yes, yeah, no You don't I think they learned the mistake with the we No, the we worked No, we like that baby No, but they they sold out of that. It was a pain in the butt to go we but that's the point it worked It made people want it because it couldn't get it From what I've seen okay from what I've seen of the trailer from what I've seen of the game before I've seen the list of developers This is literally their biggest investment and I think they're going to put everything they got into this one So I think they're going to be ready hardware wise Well, see I My gut reaction was to say yes, but there was a report that just came out too that they're already sold out of the Nest minis like everywhere. You can't pre-order it anymore. They're sold out. Yeah, but that's that's the nes mini We're talking about a brand new console. I know but still like if nintendo isn't shipping out or like promising Let's put it this way. Let's put it this way The Wii U right it's a relatively like it did not sell. Wow. No, no at launch. It was still hard to get one Really at my walmart. I waited in line Um at like six I got there at 6 p.m. I was the first person in line waiting for it The sales guy had no idea what I what I was even talking about when I said I'm waiting in line for the Wii U He didn't even know what the Wii U was Um, it wasn't until a manager sort of like, oh, yeah that new nintendo console that we can't release until midnight because you know they already had the units and He's like so there was like a group of like 30 of us waiting and then he comes out He's like so we only have five Wii U units. What? Yeah, we didn't have that unless you pre-ordered and you go over to the You know this back area where you can pick up your pre-order of it We only have five that we're putting on shelves and there's like 30 people waiting They're not going to get it and that was that was true at the best buy that was true at my At the other walmart a town over uh and game stop the whole reason I wasn't at game Sobs they were sold out but like they pre-ordered every single unit they had out Um, so like at least in my area really weird you could not walk into a store week one and buy a Wii U Unless you were waiting in line. They they were everywhere in texas or at least in the dallas area in the dallas area Yeah, and from what I when I remember because I came online and I was like talking about how hard it was to get So it was almost not that hard in my area and I think it was just gonna buy a buy region Yeah, I think nintendo oversupplied some regions and undersupplied others Or it could just be the retailers under order because they didn't think it would sell Uh, but yeah, I think with this system. I think one it's going to generate somehow even though it's Probably not getting any major news about it till january um It's going to end up being more hyped than the Wii U was because the message as long as they stick stick with the current messaging If they come out in january and they start showing, you know kids running outside and and playing You know they're a little splatoon in the backyard and then coming inside and getting their mom and dad in on it And they start throwing Wii sports on the screen or something Okay, you're going to totally lose all the momentum you build What if this is just like you you brought that up playing splatoon outside What if they make splatoon like an augmented reality game like on a camera in the back and you're like fighting each other I don't know why I thought about that And it's just like a bunch of kids Call it a day. Yeah But yeah, like I don't I don't think I mean I hate the idea of artificial um Inflation I guess no, that's not the word I'm looking for artificial demand. Yeah, I don't like that I don't like what they did with the amiibo like oh, well, here's these amiibo that okay To to to be completely fair for the amiibo. They didn't think it was gonna be that popular Yeah Now that was the their first major toy push since they really became um a video game company And it's kind of like they did not think it was gonna blow up like that I mean even with like wave three and wave two like after seeing especially when I think at the time of amiibo launch I don't think the 3ds could even use them yet. It couldn't not it didn't have the NFC connector on it Yeah, no, yeah, it wasn't until the new 3ds came out So it was like, you know, they obviously, you know, we looked at Wii U sales It's like well, yeah, we might sell a few million but like No one owns a Wii U. So who's gonna buy these things? Oh, but I mean even after wave one and wave two they still had like a very short supply of wave three amiibos And this is coming from someone that doesn't collect them religiously, but still collects them when I can that are rare ones Is I I didn't I mean I kind of understand that because it's kind of like with pokemon cards Okay, you want to have some that are rare that are really hard to find that people are willing to pay a lot more for Or you want to have like especially if you want to push it as a collectible Yeah, like you're pushing it as a collectible like, you know, I still have My first gen first edition charizard and like you're not going to find that in very many packs And you are certainly not going to find that back then that was just a lucky thing that I got and I was Luckily, and if you are going to find it in a pack It's going to be because you bought an unopened box of gen one cards and you probably pay thousands of dollars Because then you got a box of because if you get like a whole box of unopened unopened packs Dude, you might have thousands and thousands of dollars with a rare card. Yeah, or you might have nothing And so that's kind of like the same thing like I can kind of understand why they'd want to have some that are more Rare than others and even have some that are exclusive like the dark pit was exclusive to best buy And I really regret not picking that up when I had the chance Um, but I just don't like the idea of like an artificial demand for a for a system But I think what's going to happen is there's going to be two things one Nintendo would love to repeat the Wii situation because the Wii not only stayed sold out for almost a full year Um, like every unit they sent sold That's a good problem for Nintendo to have whether it was intentional or not Because that means people want their system faster than they can make it That's that's good news for Nintendo bad news for people who You know didn't get a pre-order in like that sucks that you got to keep Like Hawkeye and websites to find out when things are available and all that stuff like that's no that's no fun No consumer likes that but the fact that consumers are willing to do that tells you the demand is high So I would love to see the demand be that high. Well, do I think it's going to be that quite that high? No, I think what's going to happen at launch is it's going to be where Um, because I think a lot analysts are predicting like eight million sales in the first year or something I ate between eight and 10 somewhere in there in the first year. Yeah 10 million in the first year Um, and you know that might that might be That might be attainable, especially if they announce any sort of handheld games for it Um, like a poke a new pokemon game or something like that that would really really drive sales for it as a handheld Yeah, um, well, hopefully if they do a pokemon game, it's going to be a home console version and a hand Well, that's that's the hope but I Will I know I know I know where you're from. I know And plus they plan to run the 3dsc through 2018 Well, plus we're also getting sun and moon like at the tail end of this year Yes, so I have no idea what what they are planning to do because right now They are pushing this is a home console Like they aren't even hitting at mobile anything like it's a home console that you can take on the go Yeah, it's a way for you to play your AAA home console games on the go I I don't know how they could release another handheld to compete alongside it to replace the 3ds, but this is nintendo So they could just do whatever they want Um, just like you know part of me says oh in like two years. They're gonna release just a plain old set top box Two but then that kind of defeats the purpose of the switch So like did I do that did they release a dock that lets you upgrade it? You know like what are they going to do after the switch? But that's a conversation to have once the switch actually comes out That's that's true. I I just think at launch nintendo is going to Under anticipate how many people are going to want it at launch They're going to assume that people aren't really going to buy into this big thing until the holiday season Yeah, so they get past their first e3 with it and they get into their first holiday I think they're they're going to plan like okay, we're going to sell like two million units During launch week And I think that's what they're looking at and I think the man especially with breath of the wild at the Especially if they bundle breath of the wild in which I don't think they're going to do But if they do pre-order that console like just like soon as if they don't even care if it's not a special edition Like if it's just if they just bundle it in That's I'm sorry You're probably moving four million units week one or could move four million and I don't think they're going to have that many on store shelves I'm I my worry and this happens all the time Especially with nintendo stuff like with amiibo is that if you don't pre-order it you're going to end up having scalpers Oh, yeah, and that too and the thing is that happened with the wii u as well Yeah, um, you know as well as easy it was for you to find in that area all the online stores were sold out So it's kind of like there was artificial demand during that first week for the wii u And I even remember nintendo reporting that like the wii u was selling really really well during the first week And then it just dropped off Well, I think that was that was a bigger problem with the wii toward the point that I remember 3ds was like that too Actually, yeah, but I remember that like when I this was around the christmas season when nintendo released the wii At least from what I remember it was towards the holiday Um, there were stores that were saying you could only buy one per family And like they made that as clear as possible There were people waiting in line at 6 a.m. Like every day to buy that thing I still don't know how my parents got me one like I it's a mystery to this day Um, because I got it like turn the holiday over christmas. That's crazy. I'm just so confused. Yeah, I know um So I'll move on to the next fan topic Uh, this comes from facebook mohabid phase mod unis. I think that's the end of his name Yes, because the next word is is a word that starts a sentence. Uh, it's a should I get a switch Sorry, I'm just like I don't know Like people have like four names. The thing is like I have four names I'm d'ethaniel david rumphill jance, but like to me that feels uncommon I don't know. I'm an american. You guys can kill me later I'm sure four names is common in other parts of the country or other parts of the other parts of the world Heck probably other parts of this country. I don't know Um, I'm proud to be an american where I get everyone's names wrong. Just read the question Should I get a switch if I already own a Wii U? Yes Yeah Yes, I'm gonna say Yes, I'm gonna say wait And I'm gonna say for the same reasons that if you listen to the tunnel prime podcast you heard when I talked about Whether or not eric was gonna get it at launch Basically, if you get a launch unit and it does not have a game You think is worth the money for that unit at launch to buy Do not buy a launch unit. You are being an idiot. You are one of those people They're going to buy the system on promises and if they never fulfill games that you want to play You're going to be pissed off later Hashtag Wii U I was talking to you about this a couple days ago when when the switch was first revealed and Everyone was asking what you think. I'm like, well my usual rule for a new console is Oh wait, I I said yes, but I grew up Nate wait because my rule is has to have at least three to four games I would want for it. I would see it's all it's all about the games, baby. Like for me PlayStation 4 I don't own one. I know I'm gonna own one someday When the last guardian comes out That's all I need I don't need any of the people except what kingdom hearts three people love on charted people You know blood born all the stuff like I don't care about this man But see I'm also of the old school mentality that it only like Nintendo used to always say It only takes one game to sell a system and that's what worked with the I mean to be honest It's popular Twilight princess and everything was Wii sports is what really got that thing I think that was like the highest selling game of the Wii Yeah, it was like easily. Yeah, it wasn't even close Um, it's one of the highest selling games of all time. Yeah across all the game might even be the highest Well, I mean look that up while you're talking. I gotta let yeah I mean minecraft has got me way up there too. It's all the platforms at the time, but um It's one of those things where I just look at the culmination of Buying a system at launch because I bought it. I got a Wii U at launch. I explained. I waited. I didn't get a 3ds Right away at launch But I got it like a few weeks later It's one of those if you want to avoid buyers remorse. You want to avoid being disappointed in the system Um, there's multiple reasons to one If you are buying into the hype of the system, but then you get it and the features end up not being that impressive to you That's something that you will find out If you're not part of the launch group because reviews are going to come out customer reviews Will come out and let you know if the things you're you're excited about are actually all that nevega chips Well, and if if you're if your main driving point for the console like for me personally All I need is breath of the wild for that first for to buy it on launch day Exactly, that's not everybody's case and the thing is the thing is is if breath of the wild Like you can even look at it. Oh breath of the wild is why i'm going to get it Well, you if you already own a we you you're going to get breath of the wild for we you You don't have to buy the system to play that game But if you want like a new mario the wild might not even be a selling point for you Well, it's kind of one of the wildest person for me because you can take it on the go and it'll look better Well, yeah, to me the driving point is we assume it will look better Well, we've been said there will be visual enhancement Also said that the we you would have an unprecedented partnership with the a Well So let's tell let's just the being able to take it on the go is a selling point for me for you. Yeah It's one of the yeah, what's up in reference to your earlier Statement sure the number one selling game of all time is tetris with a hundred million copies. Mm-hmm We sports was 82.69 million. So it's the second best selling game of all time Followed by minecraft, which is like 70 million and you know tetris is like an all-time king for games Yeah, hell. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's also on like every platform known to man Yeah, well, and it was even huge back on, you know, I think it was the one of the big things that sold the game boy back in the day So it's it's just one of those things where you really Don't want to be part of the early adopter culture because of most people that buy Launch consoles are buying it just to say they have it and they want to brag to their friends who don't Uh like when I bought like when now now as I said that doesn't mean you should not buy it at launch like for you implicit Muhammad you talk about you know, you already own a Wii U should I get a switch? Well, the switch is going to be Nintendo's home console replacement for Wii U That is very very clear and they're messaging It's probably going to replace the 3ds eventually as well But they are definitely advertising it as a home console So it is going to be like the next Wii U if you're looking for their next home console. This is it So you could look at it as I'm going to buy it on the promise of things But see if I had done that for the PlayStation 4, I would have regretted my purchase so far Because they promised the last guardian But it is specific to person to person so what you are excited for man Yeah, so so I can't tell you if you should get one In fact, you shouldn't even be able to tell yourself if you can get one I can tell you I'm going to get one not even because of Breath of the Wild because we technically don't know What Breath of the Wild is a launch game that has not even been confirmed. It's not even confirmed. It's coming out in March So we don't even know if Breath of the Wild is going to be there at launch We just assume it is we hope we hope but we don't know So I it's kind of one of those the only reason I'm going to get it is because at launches I work at Zeldin former we cover stuff about this console I work I run a site called nintendo pribe so i'm an enthusiast I'm going to get it because I really want it so I can do proper coverage of it And live streams and all that stuff for the places I work So I I'm like I feel obligated to get it basically here's here's my Listen, these are alfred's two step rules to buying something Okay, I tell this to everyone I go shopping with if we go to like Game stopper hot topic. This is the two things that I want it. Can you afford it? Yes? Well that and most instead of that It's can you afford it? And will you regret it if you buy it if you can answer yes and no Then you can get it because if you can afford it then sure if you were going to regret it I think it's one of those And this is where I look at the launch of any new technology even like new iPhones and also like I could have an iPhone 7 right now but Well, you know, it's not so much. Do I know if I'm going to regret? I don't know if I'm going to regret the purchase I don't know if anyone can know if they're going to regret it So I have no one buys something thinking I'm going to regret this purchase Well, like in in this point if you if you're gonna if you can afford it But you're going to regret spending $300 or $400 you can Well, that's different because then yeah, you know, can you really afford it if you're going to regret spending the money? I mean I can afford a switch right now, but will I probably regret buying it later when I can't eat food? Yeah Well, then that's that but see that brings on the question that then you really can't afford it You're sacrificing something in the future to be able to get it Like to me like saying you can be able to afford it means no no part of your life's going to be Detrimentally affected by buying this product even if it sucks and you end up hating it It doesn't change whether you can eat whether you have clothes whether you can go to a movie next week with your girl Hopefully doesn't yeah. Yeah, like it should um, and I think part of that that also helps is the only benefit of pre-order culture is Going to like a game stop and I know a lot of people hate game stop But it's just a really good example of this or you could just pay it off over time You don't have to have $400 just to spend you could be like look. I got 20 bucks this week I got 40 bucks when I get paid extra. I could throw at it. Well, even then you could pull out the pre-order if you Yeah, and you can pull it out That's true like you could have it all paid off and before it comes out you could be like Oh, man. I really need that 400 to pay rent to pull it off Like, you know, there's no like that's what's nice about pre-orders Like even though you have the pre-order fully paid off at like a game stop You don't actually have to give them your money. You can get it right back. In fact, there was someone Finally enough. I remember reading a neo-gap about this. I know who was using game stuff as a bank Like they were pre-order games and like paying them off and then pulling their money out before the game Got then switching it off to different games Like you pre-order like 10 20 games at a time and then like use it to keep his money Yeah, he'll just move the pre-orders around so he never actually buys the games and then he'll pull the money out when he needs it Um, but it's funny because that's exactly what game stop and a lot of places that allow that kind of stuff Like that's how they work Well, and it's it's very rare that you're going to use it as a bank I'm not saying go use game stop as a bank But and that doesn't hurt game stop then with that case because those people make money off of the commissions of The pre-order sales so technically everybody wins. Nobody's losing except the ceo except the ceo Game stop makes enough money. So it's okay But no, here's here's where I'm coming from. I said like yes five times when the question happened before the question was even over I'm like, yes, because Here's where I'm coming from. This system is confirmed to have yes. I'm a fan boy. That's that's it But this this system is confirmed to have breathed the wild. That's enough for me. Yes It's going to come out on Wii U But Nintendo said it's going to have visual enhancements, but even if it doesn't I can take it on the go Which is will be amazing. So that's what I'm saying. That's what being like a twilight princess and I know this is Still considered a technically an opinion But it's widely believed that the gamecube version of twilight princess is the superior of the two versions. You're not wrong That's so like I know and like it's I know on this podcast I might probably gonna get anyone who disagrees with that But it's one of those what if you're like, yeah, it looks better, but it actually plays better on Wii U I I don't know if anything of being able to take it on the go instead of being confined to my house is Will make me look Trump will trump the fact that it might actually play better Because the only reason I bring that up because This game breathed the wild spent most of its development on the Wii U So there's a high chance that even though it might look better. It doesn't port as well So then it actually ends up running like fps and everything better gameplay wise on the Wii U Then this console despite the extra power because the Wii U architecture and the architecture for this thing are two totally different things Thankfully Well, thankfully for the future, but bad if you like your Wii U games and just want unless unless they are building it With a structure for the nx Like I I doubt it I highly doubt it But I think what what they're doing with this system is trying to set up a future family of systems that continues This current direction of architecture Rather than rather than being like yeah Because nintendo has always had this problem with their systems that they keep changing up the architecture every time And that's why you don't they do that with everything they do except for like mario games And and I think they're seeing that that's not how things are done anymore Out there that's not like yeah, it sucks that you maybe like then like Say you're on you're on the virtual console on the system and you buy a link to the past of the virtual console It sucks for to tell me like oh well We're not going to get another sale of a link to the past on these line of consoles in the future because We're going to let them carry over their purchase But at the same time that also helps you retain customers to buy your new games Yeah, so it's kind of a trade-off where you gain more customers Staying loyal to you versus customers that just keep getting frustrated They got to keep sending five bucks on the stupid game every generation And it's stupid is just they they don't want to keep their old systems hooked up to play those games no plus that and This is the same problem that they kind of that they have with the Zelda series is that Every time they use a brand new architecture a brand new structure a brand new System to build it they have to start from scratch which takes them a longer development period Whereas if you something like the sony like sony consoles and xbox consoles They build off of their previous architectures and that lets them not necessarily release it like You know one year two year three year like a call of duty game, but they have The option to have a shorter development window or they have the option to spend more time on other things So that they don't have to redevelop a completely new Architecture and a completely new system and UI and all that stuff So well anyways as I was saying totally Breath of the wild on the go trumps the fact that even if it did run like crap and it ran good on Wii U that That trumps the fact um, but i'm a nintendo fanboy and i'm going to want to play that new mario game Even if if it isn't what we saw in the trailer because we didn't see you're gonna want to play it anyways regardless I'm gonna want to play that new mario game I'm gonna want to play that Mario Kart 8 plus because I bought the crap out of mario kart 8 and it's dlc And I wish I think an answer to this is If you bought the Wii U to play in exclusives of the game you never got that Mm-hmm So you could be heavily disappointed that you spent money on a Wii U When that game is going to be on the next system and that next system might get the exclusives of the game too I know And Nate probably knows what i'm talking about an old staff member who was gone now um who bought his Wii U to play zelda And when it was announced that zelda was being delayed He Basically said well, i'm gonna throw my Wii U at the window now because it's definitely going to nintendo's next console So if you bought a Wii U like him to play an exclusive zelda game you're screwed Well, and that's kind of my point with buying this system is Don't buy it based on what you think is going to happen or what promises are made because As an example the playstation 4 and i'm not saying people that own it regret it There are some that do own it and regret it but um for me i didn't buy it because Not because i don't want it There's games like coming out in the future i want to play on it But those games haven't arrived and they've been talking about these games Since they announced the console in 2013 they Have been literally selling their console on hype rather than on actual games coming out now granted They have had some games come out now. They've had Uncharted 4 they have Bloodborne But what else is there besides a No Man's Sky No Man's Sky that was a total flop. Well, they have they've had Whatever or not the games have been good because i'm in the camp of people that thinks infamous second son was an abomination to the franchise It's okay. I think it's just okay. It's all right. I think it's all right I don't think it stands up to the first at all listen I love Troy Baker like if I would I would be gay for Troy Baker. Don't get me wrong But that was the winiest character in any game ever and I just Hated him as a character the gameplay was and it was just an an egg game and Sony for each of those though sony's had like Uncharted 4 and they've had Like you know even going back to the ps3 they had infamous they had it's like hooper. They had but look at this You just mentioned one PlayStation 4 game And we are in year 3 Okay, well there's Uncharted 4 this little big planet 3 Um, you can even count some little big planet 3 was on PlayStation 3 That was but it was it was infinitely better on the 4. It doesn't matter. It was on 3 Well, I'm not trying to like discredit. It's not an exclusive game for the PlayStation 4 I know um, but I mean like you even have some of the third parties on it And like I well third parties also on the xbox one. I know but i'm not saying that Like I said earlier about buying the nx at launch is it's going to be different for person to person Don't buy it because we tell you to buy it buy it because you know if you look at it And you honestly believe that like like daren and like I myself that The breath of the wild is going to be better on the nx for one reason or another And that's the reason why you want it then get it like I didn't buy my wii with hopes of an expectation for a zelda game I bought it because of zelda or wind waker hd um For yeah, well what I'm kind of what I was kind of getting at for you Muhammad Is one we can't answer the question of if you should buy it or not Like we can't answer that for anybody outside of people that have the exact same reasoning that we do to want to buy it Like for me, I'm obligated to buy it plus I'd want to buy it like even without Any sort of other other factors say I didn't work at zelda former anymore. I had no nintendo prime I had no internet persona or anything and all I was working on was just me being a fan I'd buy it because I love zelda and I'm going to play breath of the wild on that and on wii you and I want to compare it for myself Yeah So that's going to make me want to buy it assuming that it comes out at launch now Obviously breath of the wild doesn't call it at launch. I wouldn't necessarily buy a launch unit Unless it was coming out like a week or two after launch then I might just to make sure It's not sold out. So I don't have to like You know hawkeye places for to come back in stock But again, that's still giving me a specific purpose to buy it as a fan For you, it's all about what you want. Um as alfred just expertly explained Because we he didn't buy it for the promise of the new zelda. He bought it for games that were already out That's what you should be buying the system for don't buy it on promises buy it on what's already there And if at launch it has stuff there you already feel makes the console worth it to you Then buy it for darren breath of the wild is worth it period done and a story There might never be another game released on it. It doesn't matter still worth it to him I mean, he knows it's gonna be more heat but but reality reality is like you should never like Don't buy things based on promises buy it based on results And we don't know what's happening with this console. We don't know what's coming at launch So wait until basically wait to to have this conversation in fact, we should wait to have this conversation Until january when they're probably going to have a direct that's going to actually explain launch titles launch window price Specs everything you need to know about the system to make a purchasing decision And then we can really bring this conversation back around a you own a we should you upgrade at launch? Yeah Because right now we honestly don't know enough We just know the concept of what this thing is and again like it does follow the personal preferences Like darren's going to get one. I'm inevitably going to get one like probably at launch Like that's just and I'm going to go into launch because I'm obligated to part of me wants to I'm a fanboy but it's also kind of I get it like I can't tell you to get it We should just wait till we have more information And then if you like what you're hearing if you like oh It's breath of the wild launch with mario the next month and then it's going to have Splatoon like two weeks after launch like if that's enough for you to buy it then do it It's just let's wait until we know what's going to be on the system Be an informed buyer like yeah be informed don't don't be don't be a stupid fanboy like some of us We're just going to buy it because we think it's going to be awesome informed Make an informed purchase. Okay, and we can't inform you yet Because the information is not available. We can make up information to finally finish my point I mentioned breath of the wild and mario Yeah With my we you right now. I'm not going to be able to play future home console nintendo games With the switch I will and because I'm the biggest nintendo fanboy around I am going to want to play those future games. I'm not saying that because I mean I just know some really really big. I dropped my mic if I didn't want to break it I am a big nintendo fanboy. Oh alpha's already throw a fit over there. Oh you want to challenge my fandom As I mentioned earlier, so I'm going to want to play those future games even if those future games are crap I'm going to want to see that they're crap for myself Yeah That's just my sad predicament. You can make fun of me. Um, but make a decision for yourself. It's a personal Yeah, thank you mohammed for the question. You know, maybe that's the topic We'll revisit once we have like a direct or something where they actually announce Specifics because we don't know anything. We have a commercial. Um, let's stop it on the next fan topic Uh, this this is kind of this is kind of text book games. So Stephen Wafie From our facebook page Wants to know Which other games apart from smash, which by the way smash is not confirmed Yeah, mario kart and splatoon deserve getting an enhanced port for the switch So somebody thought it's on the Wii U games, obviously breath of the wild Irohors Irohors is a good one. I have one game that I want to see Either an eight or two games either an hd remix of ten bucks says that it is um They're a sequel I can't even think of it. Why did I say that? It's the it's the nordic game No, I don't want I I love darksiders, but that's not what I'm thinking. Yes dark side. There's I thought for sure You're gonna say dark side. I want like more than anything For there to be a paper mario thousand year door hd remix. I know it's a pipe dream It's probably never gonna happen, but I want to see like Paper mario thousand year door an hd on the nx That would be glorious Just look at how good um paper mario color is great if they applied that to a thousand year door would be fantastic Yeah, also that'd be a game to buy. I want either an hd version or a proper sequel To luigi's mansion Oh hell, yeah, I loved the first one. It's one of it's probably my favorite game of all time I Don't I can't answer you why like I can't say it's got great story It's got great graphics. It's my favorite game of all time. I play that through at least four times a year um and The dark moon for me I have the same problem with dark moon that I do with color splashes. It lacks the character that the original had and Like there wasn't there weren't any portrait ghosts Like each ghost didn't have their own personality to it The boss battles were eh To louis it was still a good game. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Dark moon was a terrible game. It just wasn't What I wanted out of luigi's mansion sequel. It didn't have the character for it and neither catered alfred Yeah, carried on me. I know everything. So just I'm I speak for every nintendo fan. I'm just kidding Um, but it's kind of the same now get out your picture. We are all free to have our pipe dreams Yeah, and it's it's kind of it's the same thing with why some people didn't like color splashes That they're you know, it was just toads. There really weren't any other characters in the game Like there were in the past games But those are the two things that I really want to see Whether I think we'll get them or not is a completely different story because I actually don't think we will but I think that Those games Like because we heard a rumor a while back that we were going to get a luigi's mansion game as a launch title I know that's just a rumor but that put hope in my heart And then there was a like darin said I didn't want to see darksiders 3 which would be a great launch title, but in terms of we you games getting a proper like Either remake or sequel I really don't know if I could think of any except hyrule warriors like christin said Yeah, yeah, uh, it's I look at it like this There's what I want and what probably should happen and is likely to happen Uh, the Wii U didn't sell well. So basically any Wii U exclusive game And I don't mean I mean games that are going to show noticeable differences So like tropical freeze probably out the window They might end up selling it again as a digital only copy for that system But it was not going to get like remastered with new features. I don't what about zeno blade x Zeno blade x is a very good kind of very good thing for that. They could easily up the frame rate They could up the the textures and all stuff on it. Oh my gosh They could do bayonetta 2 could end up coming to it with better frame rate updated textures Uh along with bayonetta 1 they could end up bringing them both over They could do and that would be really really great In the hype leading up to a potential bayonetta 3 They could bring over I don't think they're going to because they didn't sell well in the first place But the wonderful 101 could get that treatment Uh, basically literally any exclusive 3d not like non side scrolling Game that came to the Wii U should Should and probably will get remastered and re-released in cartridge form at retail and through digital For the system because uh, I have a feeling that a vast majority of people that over time are going to own the switch Never played those games on Wii U. So why waste that library and just let it rot and die off. Yeah It it should come over now as I said, that doesn't mean they're not going to bring some of the side scrolling games over I just don't think it's going to come over in a remastered edition because There isn't as much they could do to make those games look better. They already run native 1080p at 60 fps The tropical freeze looks great. Yeah, like like they're they're they can add more levels, but you can't even remaster that Like you're not going to visually be able to tell a difference It'll be cool to take it on the go But like it just it would just be something I think they would do as a digital release if they were going to Just bring those games over but reality is like it's an exclusive Wii U game So I think all those games are going to end up eventually over time Trickling in like they're they have like a team dedicated a ton of those just remastering old Wii U games and bringing them over So Hyrule Warriors definitely going to happen. I think we'll get a sequel before we get a remaster I don't think we're going to sequel before we get a remaster I think we're going to get a full hd Re-release of Hyrule Warriors up with a new sub name because they love those sub names And it's going to be all the content from both versions in hd because that does not exist And a better co-op mode because the co-op mode Is bad all I care about is the frame rate I don't care if they don't to update the textures I don't get any of that if they just take what they have now throw it at the switch and it runs at a consistent 60 fps I'm sold because all dynasty warrior games have issues with frame rate Well, if they gotta consider why though with the amount of enemies that they have sure sure But if they make zero changes to the game and throw it out, I know it should be able to handle it at 60 I would hope we don't actually we don't know I mean they kind of all we know It's a we you And you know we have no I we actually don't know they kind of switched that switched They kind of changed that with the 3ds version by changing the draw distance Yeah, I don't really version actually has better frame rate. Yeah, I don't want them to do that Correction the new when you play it on a new 3ds excel it has better just don't turn on the 3d or the frame rate drops Yeah, but the og 3ds it No, it just tanks on the og 3ds. It runs like it's basically not even playable in in my opinion I must okay. You know what? I used to play world of warcraft at like 8 fps and raids So it's more playable than that. So I guess I won't say it's unplayable, but Um, so moving on to the next topic, uh, this might be one of the last fan topics we get to tonight Um, let me let me pick up pick a good one here We talked about wear and tear. So we'll we'll skip over that one Um A breath of the wild one Uh, another breath of the wild version different Um So let me well, well, well, I'm gonna kind of combine um a couple of these because I deal with switch in the breath of the wild um first quark finnery Sorry quark finnery. I probably butchered that last name it It's just the way it is. Uh, if the switch He doesn't even care This way there is a profession like the the guy at easy allies brandon jones He uh Does like he has like training and professional voice work He butchers people's names all the time because we can't possibly know how they're pronounced Um For the most part like when people look at my last name There's no way they were pronounced it the way it's actually supposed to be pronounced Because it doesn't make sense, but that's just anyways So quark finnery, he says uh, if the switch doesn't have dual screens Does that mean breath of the wild will have different specs depending on which system you play it on and which one should I buy And then uh diamond salio says I would like to know your opinions on breath of the wild version differences Not just the dual screen functionality, but also which version will be the definitive and canon So before we get into anything There is no dual screen functionality. No So I I know some people are still confused by that I mean they must not have really paid a whole lot of attention during e3 There is that that gamepad screen does nothing. I played the demo We just had a 40 minute thing the guy never once looked down at the gamepad screen during that that 40 minute straight Gameplay issue because it does nothing all it does does display like a little pretty graphic It doesn't give you health. It doesn't give you map stuff It gives you nothing and the clear reason for that is because they're pushing The switch version the switch version So they didn't want to have to like build like two different versions like like you guys are worried about, you know With the dual screen functionality They didn't want those differences to exist between the versions because that would be that would be a reason to get the we use the actual like Handheld console part. Yeah, that cannot function like a gamepad Yeah, that that's been confirmed by nintendo does not function like a gamepad So to people who think oh we use games as they are will just work up. No No, no at least not ones that require that function like mario maker We didn't bring that one up before as an example That's a great candidate to come up to come to the switch because it could do everything That the Wii U version does then it can combine the extra functionality from the 3ds because even though the 3ds feels gimped It has the ability to like exchange levels locally on the go can the The at the switch nothing nx can the switch controller stream to the tv while still being in your hand Because because I know we said there's if there's no like Because that's I don't know how they would do mario maker without a touch screen That is unknown. That's not that hard. It's a grid setup Okay, okay minecraft works without without using the touch screen. That's true It's all just a grid setup. You can easily just navigate it navigate it with uh with joysticks I'm not saying it's as intuitive Obviously And there could be that could also be an example where nintendo puts that up as an example of look We have touch functionality in it when you're on the go But like we don't require it. So when you use it as a console, you can just use a controller to do it I think they might that might even be an example They point to devs and they're like look you can't require this touch touch functionality Here's an example where we do have the touch functionality, but it's not like a requirement to play the game. Yeah Anyways, so I just want to get that out of the way because this seems to be some confusion here There is no dual screen differences that in that way Uh the standard controls the basically from all all we know is the standard control differences between the two is that one Has the stick above the buttons one has a stick below the buttons That's all we know control wise for differences Um, otherwise they have the same button layouts and everything between the controllers actually there's more buttons technically on the the uh switch controller because they added like the plus and minus Uh, which probably do do the same functions as we're used to like a start and select kind of thing And then they also have like those four they have like those four other buttons On the pro controller And one's a home button one's a mystery button Yeah, but the wii u has the plus and minus buttons too. Yeah, that's what that's what I'm saying Like it probably in the plus and minus on wii u is basically start select It's in that mystery button To be a share button as reported by Dale who was right about a lot of other things might be a share That's one thing I can't like that transition to one thing I wanted to talk about before we stop the switch Conversation. Yeah One thing that I'm really hoping that nintendo has learned is how to make a good online functionality Like what do you guys think about that? Do you think that they will have a better online functionality than the wii u? Like will we see friend codes disappear? Um, will we see achievement systems are gone because nintendo accounts don't use codes. Yeah I think the nintendo account system is going to be the account system on this thing And that a system does not have codes it does connect To your current like wii u 3ds code stuff, but that that's just connecting old hardware to a new system I don't think that that's indicative of what they're gonna do in the future I think it's gonna be all screen name and email based as it should have been from the very beginning. Yeah Do you think we'll see achievements? Oh, yeah, there's achievements on wii. They just don't have it overall That's that's what I'm talking about kind of like a psn trophies or an xbox achievement system Do you think we'll see something like that? I think with the level of third party support it has to I think that's something third party's about look you have to have this like people love this phones have it everything has it you have to have it Um Well, technically phones don't really have it natively. It's I mean they have the games the game center Or they do the game center is true. So then they have some google equivalent So I guess yeah, there has to be a center especially. Um, we didn't mention it yet, but Nvidia's did the hardware Like the actual processing stuff that runs this Um the custom tigre chip custom tigre chip that is based on their latest gpu architecture Which by the way their latest gpu architecture is based on pascal That's what the 1060 1070 1080 and the new titan xp does So if assuming that those words actually mean what they imply This is not a tigre x1. This is probably originally started as a tigre x2 chip That has been customized and tailored to gaming Because for those who don't know the tigre x1 chip was what we used in navidia shield and the navidia gaming tv thing Both of which were total flops And the x2 because of the flops wasn't actually supposed to be a gaming chip. It was actually going to be a chip aimed at gps systems and cars So they were they were actually targeting the car market with it to try to take away some of that market share from amd um So technically the tigre x2 wasn't supposed to be a gaming chip Which was why I think they mentioned that it's a custom chip that includes architecture from like their latest gaming stuff So again that can also be a switch has something that looks like a cooling A cooling vent. It's definitely a cooling vent. There's nothing else I can that is a cooling vent Um Based on all the like I just built a pc based on all the pc stuff of it like that is cooling Like a very obvious cooling vent Yeah, so which suggests it has a fan which means it has to cool the crap out of the gpu or which means powerful Yeah, how powerful don't know Um, obviously, you know, I don't know. We have no idea. Um Not even the people that are port reporting rumors really agree Some think it xbox one level something. It's below xbox one something. It's ps4 Um, there's a lot of conflicting reports because I don't even think the devs that have the dev units in hand One have the final version of the dev units. I think there's multiple versions out there So that's why there's conflicting reports and two I don't think they have any of them have pushed the system to its max to know what it's capable of um Like no one's actually broken down the hardware. So I they might even be waiting on the tender to be like This is this is what it is. Um, they might know the ram and all that stuff I can think the rumor right now is four gigs ram Um, which which by the way is what my smartphone has it's actually like I know people like oh four gigs of ram The ram isn't I know like playstation 4 has eight You don't actually need eight gigs of ram if you know what you're doing. Yeah It's more so I think the playstation 4 when it launched it had eight But you could only use like six of it for gaming So like a lot of it's based on how it's optimized and if navidia is in on the ground floor doing this Like navidia is just as invested in this working as nintendo is That's the only takeaway you could take away where navidia wants us to be powerful because it's a showcase for them to potentially get future gaming hardware contracts Um, so they really want this to take off nintendo really wants it to take off So hopefully it's powerful enough Don't expect the playstation 4 pro in your pocket. It's not happening. Yeah, that's not happening It's already bad enough if it's a xbox one in your pocket and you get three hours of battery life So, I mean i'm okay with that personally, but a lot of people will be like only three hours Remember guys, it's a home console stop like like maybe that's why nintendo's hammer No, it's the home console that you can take with you and play for a few hours, but like It's a home console keep that in mind. So it's not going to have amazing battery life It's going to be like your gaming laptop, you know, like you have uh over there, mr. Alfred Unplug that baby and see how long you can play crisis 3 not very long It ain't going to be very long Well, that it shouldn't be and that's one of the things too that you have to consider that it's impressive that it can still run 720 at um With just on a battery because I think people are worried that the 720 I think the biggest worry about that isn't so much the screen being 720 I think they're worried that All games are going to be native 720 and then they just get upscaled. I think they'll be downscaled I'm hoping it's downscaled. Yeah, I really need even with that like consider the three hour battery life Like if I take my computer off of the power I've got maybe 30 minutes to an hour of gameplay and sometimes the fact that it's not plugged in The system itself I will divert power and divert ram away from The game so that's not as stressful like this. It's really weird because I can do stuff like play god eater Rage burst on here without it being plugged in but if I try to play binding of Isaac It slows it down And so that's one of the things that I think would be impressive Is that it could still run things not so necessarily as comparable to my gaming pc But at a level that a basic gaming pc could run it without it always having to be plugged in So I think that's impressive enough To bring this back around to the fan topics and and maybe we'll get christen involved because he isn't Not a lot of talking yet You know these two people are basically talking about differences between the versions You know That are there going to be major differences between them based on the specs of the system And which system you play it on and and the other one, you know Is is kind of looking at it more from a hardcore Zelda perspective of which version is considered canon because like Twilight princess was on two systems, but the gamecube versions considered the canon version of the game Not just because people think it's better. It's because it started development on that system um, so christen Is this going to be another situation where it started on wii u so it's we use the canon version no matter how good The other version is I think so I think you brought it up or they brought you guys brought it up earlier and that You know this game was originally developed for the at first was we just the wii u and then like An ex ran right into it. So I think that we use me to canvage overall I mean Person for me regardless. I'm gonna get the game But if it comes down to it, I'll probably just get the game for the wii u because I already have the wii u and I Don't have to worry about You know, if it's just one game investing in the nx only switch. I already have the wii u Sorry nx switch Whatever, okay. Yeah, I'll struggle. Yeah, sorry you know if I know switch is great and all but I already have the wii u all you gotta do is pay like what 60 bucks for Breath of the Wild and that's it. Oh, totally. With switch I have to make that additional investment of a system. I don't know a lot of you know I don't know a lot of games. I want for it just yet. Yeah um To me, uh, you know speaking from a hardcore perspective about canon uh There was a big difference between the game cube and the twilight princess Like between game cube and wii in that the world was flipped and mirrored Um forget controls like that's what makes the game cube version feel canon because that was how the game was originally developed And they admitted they mirrored it for for the wii so that you can be right-handed So you can be right-handed because a majority of play of gamers are right-handed which may left-handed gamers be like What why does that matter? Um Which if real to be honest, it really doesn't but Nintendo just did it because they did it and whatever. I guess it worked. I Don't really know if it made a difference in sales, but I don't think in this case There's really going to be a debate over which version is canon because I think They're basically going to be the same game. I don't think we're getting weird worlds. We're not definitely not getting a different control scheme Um, I don't think there's going to be enough major differences between the games to be like Yeah, the wii versions canon because it was what it was developed on I don't think you're going to have like big version differences. I think it's going to be cosmetic differences Yeah, it's going to be cosmetic and cosmetics aren't going to matter unless This is a big unless They change some of the text in the game. That's the only way I think we can start having a debate Over which versions canon because if there's messages on the sheikah stones That say one thing in the wii version that says something different at them that same stone and uh in the uh In the next and I'm sorry and I said again the switch version Then you could start having to debate over what's canon The only way that that might get washed away is if those texts are dynamically generated from a bunch of different texts So that's only we won't find out for a long time. Um, so I don't think there's going to be I don't think they're going to do that because I don't think they have a reason to do that Yeah, they really don't know I mean it has to be one rogue developer being like, yeah I want to put my name in the game. I'm gonna change this text. Screw you guys. His name is Lonk now Yeah, oh, we're changing the name of all the characters because I want to um, which You know, I mean, that's basically what all the local translation teams do. That's why I just sitting in a corner like it's That's why uh, uh What's what's a character off the top you guys have had that has like different names and different territories Oh, don't do that to me. Um In zelda, all I know is that they put a I don't feel them all in class. It was like two characters that were totally different named between versions Was it burn burn? Byron. Yeah, burn, whatever. Yeah. Let me look it up. Yeah Like like I only know, you know, the America I used to know like the european name of it too and the japanese one But um, it's like really weird how they do that So it is possible that differences like that exist But I don't think we're going to be arguing about what games can in this time around In terms of what game is You know considered like a definitive version um I'm assuming the switch version is going to be considered definitive because it's probably Probably we don't know for sure probably going to run at a higher fps It's going to look prettier and it might even run at a native higher resolution Nintendo says it's going to look bad. Yeah, they say it's hope they make good But again, we don't know for sure. We haven't technically seen official Switch footage yet. We have seen, you know footage of the game, you know Superimposed on the switch footage was superimposed in the trailer So until we get like actual footage and the thing is like they did that in that same day They released three videos three trailers for the game and they were all we u footage And then they just released another 40 minute video yet on monday You know that was all we u footage So it makes me wonder if they even really showed switch footage at time or not And if they didn't then hot damn They're really making some strides with that we u version Yeah, visually But again We don't we don't know so I think the switch version will be considered the definitive version And I don't think we're going to have a debate like we did with twilight princess Or even links awakening like links awakening the original game like that's the canon Game links awakening dx is not considered canon Even though it's got color and extra dungeon. That's just considered extra content. That's not That's not part of something you take into consideration for timeline stuff and all that Let's see so so let's get into the final part of the podcast And we're only doing this because you know, we're technically slightly over time Um Because I wanted to kind of keep this down to 90 minutes But obviously we had a lot to talk about man. You guys have even more topics I guarantee we'll be talking about switch and breath of the wild at crazy the rest of this year Of course then again, I don't know because elfrid will be choosing the topics in the future Probably he wants to talk about Probably nothing but darksiders news. Oh my gosh Complaining about no man's sky favorite thing that happened in this fast week We're going to kind of keep this a little a little brief this time around I know elfred had something besides the switch. I'm assuming this isn't really my favorite thing This is something that I kind of want to raise an awareness of Oh, here we go Preach your brother if you guys don't know I'm going to kind of give you a rundown of what's going on right now and the voice acting Alfred's gonna learn you. Yeah, I'm gonna learn you some some information right here. Some voice acting. Let's go So um the screen actors guild and american federation of television and radio artists sag after which is a really weird name um they're on strike right now and because of There's there's a lot of different things that this goes into I'd recommend you guys look up the article by will weaton and what steve bloom have to say about it If you're if you know who those are i'm like huge huge voice acting fan Like like I said, I love troy baker um And so I have a huge respect for these guys and what they do because what they do is very taxing on their voices And sometimes it often leaves them without like the ability to use their voices later on But it talks they talk about working conditions and how they're You know how in movies where you have a stunt double oftentimes they're not provided a stunt double when they have to do um Mo cap and so they're going to be doing all of this stuff themselves Which is not necessarily good But it goes both of these articles that they write about go through the different Negotiations that they're talking about and that different things that they need or want for future voice actors too So this applies to you guys if you ever want to get that voice acting I kind of do It's really not where my profession is leading me right now, but uh A lot of people are on their case because of They're worried about that the whole thing is just about money and it's not You might hear that um from some CEOs. They're talking about Different there are different companies that are they're on strike with trump effect. Yeah um There are there's a bunch of different companies that they're on strike with uh some prominent ones Right now you're going to hear take two um insomniac activision Ea wb They're kind of struck from that union right now just because they're refusing to Work with them on better conditions for the voice actors Um, and they kind of you know residuals are important, but that's not their main uh problem with this So I just kind of wanted to raise awareness for that because this is something that I'm very interested in A lot of my favorite uh voice actors like Todd Habercorn Um steve bloom are speaking out about it. So if you guys want to find out about it if you guys want to um Tweet about it. The hashtag is hashtag performance matters So not really my favorite thing that's happening this week, but I just wanted to get that out there and let you guys know about it Nice No, that's that's always good. Um Voice actors don't always get the respect they deserve um And beyond that uh if they are going to get any sort of respect that should come from the companies that hire them You know you guys as gamers and as consumers of entertainment You don't have to show appreciation for there. There's people who love watching movies, but they don't really You know necessarily care about the name of the actor or the actress. Yeah, that's that's something that I love I know that not everybody's like. Oh, I got I know who that is like I love picking up people's voices and movies and an amazing TV show. Oh, yeah, same here Yeah, so it's one of those that even if um, you're not like like Alfred and Kristen here Where you enjoy getting really deep into who did what and and figuring all that stuff out It's just important really in any profession that there is um treatment That helps Encourage The the people in that profession to do it to the best of their abilities while not harming themselves at the same time Um, and there's a lot of professions out there where things are just too demanding And it's not as he said it's not just about money. It's about the conditions of the work being asked of you of them And sometimes having unrealistic expectations. It's almost the same as you know The quote-unquote crunch that goes on with some game developers where they have to work 80 hour weeks for six months straight and never see their family Like that's kind of stuff should never happen And that's why I really encourage reading that happens with voice actors as well They had to put in some ungodly hours at times that just like like could destroy your voice Yeah, that's why I really recommend reading. I really recommend reading will wheaton's Um post if you know who that is. He's Wesley and star trek generations. Yeah, um, his he writes about Gives you an example of what it's like. Um, I don't have time to read the whole thing It was a very good example just to imagine and to to listen to what he has to say because I don't know this may not matter to everyone, but it's something that Not necessarily should matter, but does matter. Yeah, um, like like nathan said that it's it's an important For us, it's an important thing as gamers to hear voice actors And to hear them in games because they tell a story and they they make us feel sometimes Yep, it's just one of it's one of those things where there is Yet another section of entertainment that isn't getting Um, the care that they deserve while they're performing their profession. So, um So that's why I directly related it to programmers that are asked to work ungodly hours. It's not healthy Yeah, it's not healthy for them for their family for the voice actors who are equally asked to do Insane things with their voice Which is fine. They enjoy doing that kind of stuff But doing it at certain levels for certain periods of time that just are not healthy. Yeah But they do it not just because they need the money because that's what they were hired to do That's what their contract is. It shouldn't be that way. There needs to be set standards That really really benefit everybody because then the voice actor can do voice acting for longer periods of time Which is what I think what everybody wants. Like everyone would love that. Troy Baker doing voice acting forever No, yeah, but what if his voice just dies on him in three months? I want him to voice my life I'd narrate your autobiography. Yes, um So, uh For me favorite thing in the last week. I obviously the switch I haven't been able to think about anything but switch and a little snippet of breath of the wild footage I did watch game explains analysis. Um, I suggest anybody who really really loves mario and Assuming that this mario footage we saw is actually from the new mario game Um, I highly suggest you go over to game explain and watch their 30 minute breakdown I think wait, maybe it's only 11 minute breakdown. It was a really long breakdown over six seconds of footage Um, and believe it or not, I know game explain is known for going over the top It was worth the explanation they gave. Um, so I highly suggest people go check that out. Um, If it found a lot of things in it like it found a heart that suggests a health system like mario 64 Um, it found an enemy down in the sand that only appears for like a half second on screen Um, they just find a lot of crazy things that really Really really are just it's just really interesting stuff. Um, so if you love mario Go check out their thing. I'll probably put a link down in the description And I'll put a link down for the article that Alfred's talking about as well if you guys want to learn some more information about what's going on with the battle between the screen actors Go and all this stuff Um, and speaking of game explain while this podcast recording was going on I was having a conversation in our news chat at zeldinformer Apparently the interview that we referenced earlier regarding the Actor in the trailer game explain got an interview with him that video has been taken down So you're telling me that the information that I saw on it we should probably do a report on What'd you say Nate you cut out? Oh, I was saying the information that we got Uh from that that I even off the top of my head because I don't think we ever reported anything from it It's the trailer is up on it was up on the website. Did we have a breakdown for it? I don't think we did not Yeah, we we need to get a breakdown Um, just so the details aren't lost. Well, the video is not taken down. It's private now. You won't yeah Well, the video is Yeah, it's gone through a takedown like it's not deleted. That's true, but it's not gonna be public probably ever again nintendo nintendo came out and Who waved the hammer the must of the must of the thing that means there's something he said in there that he wasn't supposed to Yep, maybe they didn't want them knowing that it wasn't uh native Well, the thing is I'm sure I can head over to gaffet because that's probably a big deal I got taken out probably a big a big breakdown of every detail Like what is the one detail that slipped in there that nobody here thought was a big deal But apparently is a big deal Anyways, uh Yeah, anyone else got any anything special this week besides the switch that they're excited about Um, I am excited for the upcoming animal crossing direct. Yes. When is that? Uh, I the first of november sticks out in my mind, but I'm I'm not sure on that Oh, I am excited for the upcoming obviously this is switch related. I'm excited for the upcoming investors meeting Oh, yes, that too, which will we have coverage of that on zell and clover? Yeah, the mini direct got anything you're excited about Uh, no, not really. I've been I haven't mainly just swept up in the switch No, you know, not this that I've been really busy with school and so I haven't really been like excited I don't know how long did they have a life Like the only like only other thing besides the switch I got excited for was the announcement of red dead redemption red devil. There we go I was hoping someone was going to bring that up like that. Yeah, I haven't kind of the big announcement that's being Um, kind of like not talked about much Yeah, yeah, like I go I go to neogaff and like because red devil redemption too is like a big announcement And it's just nintendo switch after nintendo switch after nintendo switch thread. You can't even find red Dead Redemption on the first page most of the time It's it's it's crazy and it's not just there. It's the same as the IGN is everywhere Man red never did you pick the bad data? Red Dead Redemption too. I like that trailer I haven't seen it yet. It's in japan. I won't spoil it. Just the mini direct is for november second Thank you Just watch this The the maybe I'll throw a little clip in it. You better watch it by wednesday because I'm gonna throw a clip of the trailer up in the Up in the back. Yes, and Darren's little slot. Okay. Yeah, I'll make sure to watch it by the little teaser The the nintendo direct for animal crossing is november second. That's japan though. We don't get the us version So far So wait, we don't get a us version. We don't know when a date is announced for the us version of the presentation But we know that's stupid. Oh man, I hate when they do those region specific directs Yeah But I mean, hey also if you're interested they they dropped a logan trailer, which is the next wolverine movie It's another trailer. I haven't seen that was awesome. And one last one last a switch thing I think they're projecting $320 million in profit per year for nvidia Um, just to give you an example of that's what an nvidia's cut is So just imagine what nintendo is probably projected to make off this thing Lots of so yeah, but put it this way the switch is projected by almost every analyst out there to be a success So One noted analyst that some people might know david gibson Are projected 10 million units within the first year. So that's yeah a lot of a lot of projections between eight and ten Which either number is really good for nintendo So like 10 is basically matching that we use current install base Eight is more than the Wii U ever sold in the single year. So Yeah, keep in mind the Wii U has sold to date 13 million units So, I mean either either number is excellent. So we'll we'll see what happens. Yeah We'll see you guys next week when we probably have um Even more Then the switch news coming out of that and next week alfred alfred gets not only leave the podcast But lead it while i'm here and edit it which and edit it. So it's good. It's probably gonna see some differences We'll see. Yeah, that'll be my first time editing with three separate videos. So we'll see how that goes Yep, so we'll see how it goes and you know, I'll I'll see Alfred I'll be helping you out a little bit with the templating and stuff if you need it But you can come give me a massage when I'm doing it. Yeah, thanks for joining us on this week's episode Of the zealot informer podcast as always it's been great hosting it for these last 22 episodes now I'm sure I'll be hosting a few in the future Um, like if we do another live from e3 one I'm assuming alfred won't be the one. Maybe we'll get out for there. Maybe maybe if you guys if massies loves me enough I'll get there. Well massies massies. You need to pay for him to go. He didn't pay for me to go I just I don't care about e3. Just pay me. Just pay me All right, everyone. Thanks. Thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you next week. See you later