 Hello everyone and welcome back to for the minions the weekly podcast all about upcoming third-person mobas I'm your host the mangoes this week. We've got a whole bunch of our updates for over Prime We've got some updates for ethereal some little things for fault and some little things for predecessor I'm your host the mangoes joining me as always is my friend and co-host jelly knees. How you doing jelly? I'm good mangoes I just somehow noticed that you literally always like tilt your head as you talk back and forth and like Like you're like a rockham sockham robot that has been popped his head up And so he's got to like go back and forth a little bit. I don't know man But with us this week. We've got darkly welcome darkly happy to have you here Get us hello in the frame set frame the frame set the mindset whatever and explain to us about your history with Paragon what character you play what lane you play all those good things History of Paragon again. I know yes Some of you may have seen me and played me in fall And if I am like gress of support, I love playing support aggressively bays mine Bay or if you see me in solo, I will play tank. I Am also a really great jungler do not expect me to carry. I am awful at carry. Oh I thought it meant carry as a jungler. I was like what you you started that sentence with I'm a really great jungler Don't expect just don't expect much. I mean, that's how I feel when I play with mangoes I'm really good at killing jungle minions bare minimum You should know that have ADHD so if my thought trains will be like this and be like, oh, I got this in there We're gonna go back this way squirrel. That's fine. We deal with mangoes Squirrel. Oh, yeah, it's quick and oh, yeah, I need to talk about getting some jelly beans So if if you guys want to come and guest host on the show What you gotta do is ask me just hit me up in the comments below or on discord Eventually you have to get on discord because we record this in discord That's the only thing you need you need a mic discord. You don't have to have a camera, but Let's get into the update to you Yeah, you can you can reach out. We're not doing plugs yet dark. Oh No, we got to start early Yes, you can of course reach out to jelly jelly. Yeah, you haven't brought anybody on the show. What are you? You're slacking? Mangoes, I asked you last week if I could be on the show. So I'm happy to be Okay Updates for this week. So we usually start off with whoever has the biggest updates, but uh Overprime just has a fucking grocery cart full of goddamn updates So we're gonna let the guy behind us with the twix go by and hit up the other games before we go Get into overprime. Do you get it? Do you get it? I have more questions about why the guy with the twix is in the line behind me instead of just going to self-checkout, right? Like at this point. Oh, we're at a place without self-checkout. You have to get into my head No self-checkout exists everywhere Doesn't exist. I'm not going we're at a dollar general store behind me to begin with okay We're at a dollar general store and there's trailers all around us Great, thank you man goose. Yeah, set the scene a little more for us And and the baby in aisle 3 is crying let's start off with a fault this week The the patch went out we covered that last week But um, they did have to have several hot pick a hot fixes after the patch hot fixes after the patch but um Yeah, not everything came out too smoothly, but they were very quick about getting it fixed a dark You demonstrated one of their early glitches that had me absolutely freaking rolling Why don't you tell us the glitch the glitch you found with fault? So when they updated fault, I was looking through their item systems and noticed that they added like cleave And notice that had like these Cool, I know another character in their game that also does their BAD damage So I chose grucks. I'm gonna I'm gonna see if it works on them. I found out early on into the testing in their single player that if you were to go and set his might down to zero While you have his bleed unlocked It suddenly becomes instant spite in instant spite And you can cast it infinitely As fast as you can cast it so I could go into raptors take it within a second go so prime as soon as it popped up. Yeah That's what cracked me up. You just walked up the line prime and just went Wait, I'm just smite smite smite smite smite smite smite gaining healthy entire time It just killed it just like that and that was live in the game That wasn't just in pve people could do that in pvp if they wanted to and the smites Um, you could upgrade them to deal they deal damage to heroes So you could just might somebody down Slow and in vulnerability. Yeah No, oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't see a problem with that at all. I think that should have stayed Oh, it was great And I guess there was also an issue with twin blast when they sent into their hotfix So it wasn't just grucks. Yeah, I guess twin blast could do it too or he could do it with something or other I was looking to see if I could do it with the telepath to shrink it because I didn't get the chance to do it Could you imagine that just pulling someone? Yeah, you're coming into my core Um, so that's about all I all I had for them was I mean the patch went pretty smoothly. I think um The the the the cleave items are just as powerful as we thought they would be Jelly, have you played with on the new patch at all? Yeah, yeah, the cleave items inspired me to go in and play some jungle games And I was dead on that those things are busted. Yeah They they on a basic attack focused character It turns the jungle clear into a couple seconds and then you just go on a gang spree all game If you're not extra damage jungle taken from you Yeah, oh, yeah, you will And especially with the purple one the thing that it's 125 b ad That thing just shreds people I tested it out in a bot match And that by itself like half health the bot murdoch and I was like, oh, okay, that's fine Then you've got the green one that heals you for like eight percent of your max health anybody hit by the by the cleave. So you could just just not yeah Absolutely But they they've already patched it out. We'll know that patch that out. That's still there But um, yeah I don't know man I was it's been a pretty good patch overall the um the matchmaking thing. That's the other thing that they needed to fix A lot. I really like the way that they've done the ping based matchmaking because Now I can queue in the afternoon and get games on na instead of having to go eu However, it really screwed over like south american players or oceanic server players So they weren't able to get into games at all and they got pretty furious over that So they did patch that in and make it to where that they could still queue um normal servers if they want to so That has also been fixed I think overall that helps keep players playing their game throughout the day because you'll see a lot more eu players playing longer Then they were in the past Yeah, I mean if you find a game even 10 minutes in to a queue versus 20 minutes. That's a 10 minutes less that the player can think. Oh, maybe I'll just go Do something else Right and so the shorter that that time frame is the better it is for them. Yeah better player retention. Yep 100 percent And they're uh, they're asking for feedback on their next mastery race the uh, the last mastery race They had was for crunch and it was whoever could get to his gold skin the fastest one And they're asking for feedback on that which I guess means That they're probably going to have a new hero fairly soon. I would think I'm feeling Iggy and scorch I hope so. I mean a lot of people are thinking it's going to be Iggy and scorch because they had Iggy and scorches abilities in their list of abilities that you could Change the cast type. They did that on accident a long time ago. Yeah, they did it along with big mouth But crunch wasn't there and crunch came out before Iggy and scorch I mean mangers, I've been telling you that I know Iggy and scorch is coming for a long time I'll finally be right this time. I really hope it is That would be awesome that that would bring in so many more players the fault because that's like one of that's just one of those heroes It's one of those heroes that people loved You know if it is I would love to see the master system revolve around him and his um his abilities like how often you were able to Destroy minions because he's a more of a tower defense kind of guy. So how long I don't mean so you don't want to master better. You want to like a tower kill raise or something like Oh Like get bonuses for doing like cool plays or something right for every hundred minions killed you get an extra Five mastery points, right? And so it's your skill actually makes a big difference in that Playing the character for role Okay, but that would just be a general fix to their mastery system not their mastery races Yeah, which is fine Which is fine if you are if you want to throw that out there I think the one thing I would change and it's evidence even in their own post about who won the last one Because that was Kaijin wasn't it? Mm-hmm. Yeah They need to lower the amount of mastery you get from pve games Yeah, he played because he played 75 percent of his games were pve. Yeah, which makes sense I mean, I was doing the same thing that weekend is I could go into a game end a game in 15 minutes get into the next one immediately Right that you can just grind it out that way if you want to grind it out that way fine But it can't be the majority of the games played to get to that that mastery win But on the flip side of that whenever you're queuing in pvp Like people take the if everybody's racing for that hero, it's going to be who can get to him first That was the thing in paragon too. Yeah, I guess it is. I guess it was If you don't let me have my character, I'm gonna go pick eggy You shouldn't get points towards mastery skins unless it's pvp. That's just my personal Oh, yeah, I would agree with that. I think I'm okay with you getting account levels because they relatively mean nothing right But mastery you're not mastering anything. Yeah, maybe cap it at gold skin or something So I see you thinking bronze. Oh really? Yeah, once you get to the max of bronze Then then that's the amount of mastery you can get from pve. I don't know. I like rewarding people that don't Want to pvp. They just like to pve But to get a mastery skin to say that you've mastered that hero I think you had to you need to have Taking them again give some real players a couple of times, you know, I mean, okay, okay new new option Disable it entirely for pve Except if you steal kills away from your allied murdoch before he ults them then you're guaranteed to 500 points of mastery Yeah, good luck doing that. Exactly. You do it on accident every now and then but uh That surprises me every time you're gonna go in for a kill. You got that one final swing of It doesn't matter where he is. He's like Off the jump pad You know He don't miss Like when you get an enemy murdoch and he he shields he shield bashes you away without even moving like he just Very little fucking carlos hathcock over there Fucking uh, all right, that's about all I had for fault unless you guys had anything else. Nope Nothing revolved. No No, let's move on to predecessor then predecessor They've gone fairly quiet after the uh After the stress test they have continued to interact It isn't like what it was in the past where they just completely fell off the map After anything happened but um, they have been posting some gameplay clips on like twitter and stuff like that and They did post those um stats that we talked about last week So it's not like they've gone completely silent but They've gone pretty quiet compared to what they were hyping up, which is understandable I think Uh, dark, what did you think of the uh pred stress test? I know you played it for I played quite a bit I loved it. It felt great. It was smooth. Um, I thought the overall speed of the matches of every matches Were just fantastic. I even just thinking that we're like Even 18 minutes in Felt like I've been playing for a while, but it felt great If that makes sense I get it Because I was just like I was healing down low and sort at the same time right like It's this weird middle ground Level 15 and you know comparing it to fall I was like, all right, that would be like 30 minutes in I look up and it's like only 18 minutes in We're all like they're at their in-haves like like it felt great I could get more matches in because my time is limited because of school. Yeah, it felt great And the characters moving between every plane it felt great It just It felt like a third person MOBA Yeah It didn't feel like a top-down MOBA. Yeah um I know dark you like to experiment with items quite a bit What did you think of predecessors items? They were diverse very diverse There's it was in my opinion a lot of Elements leaning towards fun engagement and experimental gameplay Like moon boots Great And it takes advantage of the 3d space, but you don't see a lot of items do It really does like I know that everyone keeps like saying like but boots is such a great item It's like yeah, but You really don't need boots. I mean, yeah, it may be in like a satellite It'd be great for boots, but maybe in a third person MOBA you could replace boots with like The ability to activate Um a sprint and you got stamina now You can run from things, but You could lose that stamina then you could you've take more damage Something slow. I would be a third person MOBA tactic It's like he's saying that we really should add in like class abilities or something to I wonder where we're doing that I think yeah, I think that's one of the more impressive items that they had was the Galaxy greaves. I think is what their official name was better by calling them Well But yeah, I mean you could jump over certain walls that you wouldn't be able to with if you didn't have them I think that was a nice thing to include. It's something they all need to look for Is ways to take full advantage of that z-axis. Otherwise, you're just You're so I never I never really played her too much in any of the games But moon boots galaxy greaves is basically just decker right click, right? Pretty much. Yeah, it's a slower version of it. Yeah, okay Literally take like a lot of their items looked like they looked at the characters and said, why don't we make that an item? And I think that's a great idea It is with fewer characters But the second you expand that out of like, let's give wu kong a decker right click That's a problem, right? Like that that's where you go like, I don't know if that's a good idea I I was too focused on their passives and didn't Look at their stats like the how much attack I was getting power boost It was just all right. What passive can I put on my character that would help the team? I do think that's a huge thing for them Is I would agree with you that I never I never looked at the amount of stats necessarily I looked at like this item gives me attack speed physical power and the passive that I'm looking for Right, so it gave me the stats that I cared about I didn't necessarily care about how much of that stat and then the passive So I think that's a cooler way It doesn't make me feel like I'm like, oh, but I need exactly 32 attack speed and 55 physical power Before I get my next power spike so I can go kill mangoes for the 50th time, right? Like it's It's I like how it's more focused around the passives than it is the actual stat number itself. Yeah Except for percent max health They still stand by that that is atrocious and needs to get removed Well, now I'm just thinking like when they add decker into the game Are you going to be able to moon boost and then jump right off the fucking map after this is my point, man? You make some of your jump You make character abilities items then character abilities are even stronger. Oh my god Can you imagine the clips that are going to come out of that if you jump all the way with moon book? and then yeah elevated Like uh the elevated tower you jump from there or say ah idiot Jump into a giddy portal and you jump and then do another moon boots She's part of the moon Now we're gonna have compilations of like, yeah, how high can you get in predecessor? And then uh time There's time murals flight to her when she's at the apex of that jump you get muriel And then you have kalari ult to the muriel That's a Let's see how high we can stack these peregrine arrows Oh my god But let's get a gadget mine in there somewhere But we we officially proved the predecessor uh space program. Yeah, there we go We're gonna find the top of that map All right, that's all I had for predecessor. You guys got anything else? Nope No, let's move on to ethereal then so, um jelly provided us with a nice new image of their ui Uh was I not supposed to say that you provided us with this jelly? Uh this looks much cleaner and easier to read than um Than what we've seen in the past um I never thought that Ethereal's ui was particularly bad, but uh, this does look good. It looks very clean looks very nice You can tell that that's what the new map with the uh the the snowy ice lane and the burned out fire lane um What else can you tell us about this map jelly? What's what what what should I be looking for here? I mean, so there's a lot of things so the last test we had had the mini map enabled in order to see all three lanes together You had to press the m key And so to do that we've we we know that that was an extraneous button press for no reason So the this green this is what you see when you press tab in the game um This screen was designed with that in mind of being able to let you see the mini map Your team stats and items the enemy team stats and items as well as if you look at the top You can see respawn timers for the ice fire wyverns and atropos as well, which was missing um So those those are the big things that are on there And it's just finding a way to have all that information on there while still keeping it condensed And in a fashion that is consumable So yeah, like you mentioned though, mangoes, we've got the new map the new mini maps all three on there being fire void nice And you see icons you see camp icons as well um You have the different wyverns the locations of things you can see the buffs are colored Right, so you've got purple buff has like a purple gem at the top green buff has a green gem at the top of these camps So it's just giving more of that clarity that the mini map was missing during the last test going forward Now you think there'll be a way to make this a little more transparent so that if I did bring this up There were enemies around I would still be able to see them through that map Uh, I can't say with 100 certainty. I can tell you that in the future We definitely have plans to implement something similar to like smites ui customization where you can adjust everything under the sun By their ui So that is definitely in the plan. I couldn't tell you when that's going to be implemented for sure though Right on And now dark you started testing for a theory. All right. I did last month Yeah Jelly got approval for us to pepper you with questions Okay, why is everything jelly jelly did this jelly this? Oh my god This this all of you at home. You now know how much work I put into this show. Okay I was playing the mercy on me card exactly Yeah, I mean so dark We kind of want to just pick your brain about what it's like to be a tester You said already you've been in there for about a month which sounds about right Uh, but how often do you test with the team? How like do you do the full three tests a week? How often do you usually participate? uh about One to two a week to school and from When I do get it in it's nice. I like playing it I really do enjoy it It's just I was always not able to join because of school How far you heard it here folks. He's not a real gamer. He's going to school over playing ethereal. All right He's not a gamer. He's going to gamer school though. I am I'm gonna be a game developer Is that really gamer school because gamers hate developers? So If anything's becoming one of the enemy, right, like this came with the motherfucker get your socks on your hands How far has ethereal come from the last time the entire community has experienced that Like if you had to give a percentage of how much it's improved What percentage would you give it? Jelly's like is it okay for him to ask all that? Is it okay for him to ask all that? Well, I'm kind of like I started probably What two weeks after the public test? So I guess I know was able to see what They wrote one else got to play and About four weeks in they it was a big improvement it You could tell the quality got so much Like someone who knows their coding is doing great Stopping sharpening his knife saying like thank you Cut here A hundred percent improvement I'll say that a hundred percent Okay, that's a pretty big percent Twice as good. He's saying Some would say the highest person feels good. Yeah, I'll have to say that it looks and feels good And I guess so dark you I hope did you play in that some of the open tests that happened before? I did not Okay, um, but from what you've seen how does the new map Change like your perspective I've seen what the old map was and seeing the new map now. I think it's great It's how it's laid out and the things that happen on the map in certain areas. It's great I like him. I like The way I want him to answer. Oh god Here's the question that I've been me that I've been wanting to ask forever. No, don't do it Yeah, I told you I could be clever. Do I need sunglasses to play ice laying? Oh, not the question. I thought you were gonna ask You know, I I think some re-texturing needs to be done there. Okay yes so Other than that, it's Because I felt that it would be too bright if you were to play in there for just uh, you know, if you're trying to stay in that that lane the entire time I thought all that white might kind of I don't play in the ice lane much I I'm always in the fire lane because I'll be either support or messing around us. Uh, Leah Okay, so support goes fire lane Yeah You heard it here first boys. You heard it We said that in our video man goose. What are you talking about? Yeah, it was literally my voice that said the words. Yeah, but you lie what so, um Since you've been testing how often have they been doing updates? every week every like every yeah twice a week Like big shit or just like a little beginning of the week it's like it's like um play test it would see um If there's any bugs Then get the feedback update more feedback Right on seems like he's got a pretty good schedule going on over there then yeah Jelly, when's the game coming out? I mean, I wish I could answer that for you man goose Man to be the guy that used to ask that question And now now to be the guy that it has to I even tried to I even tried to surprise you with it Man, it's me. You can't surprise me. What are you talking about? I'll try I'll try Do you want the question? I thought you were gonna ask earlier too? I thought you were gonna ask him what the obelisk does I was gonna say like do you want no man's sky then or no man's sky now? Have they told you what the obelisk does yet jelly? Me do you even know? No, I don't that don't tell me. Yeah, they're keeping that one under wraps They don't like me man. I don't know what to tell you All right, jelly you can get the next one Uh, yes I don't know which one the next one is which myth. Do you enjoy the most darkly? I enjoy marina marina really Yeah, she is an aggressive support and you do like your aggressive support So I was over there in fire lane supporting as marina What is the carry tallows through two guns? Fonte, yeah, so you're over there and The lady with the claws came into our lane malaya and I thank you. I'm still learning the names. I only know marina because Have you been testing? Oh, I just That's the Do you know the character's names? Uh, no So x-boy claw girl come into my lane So A tower dive because she can do that It's great Because I expected it and I use my right click Starts taking tower damage hilder because she was trying to leave nice Dude marina right click under towers is one of those the most terrifying things that you get under a tower And you see that little heart pop up above your head. You're like Great, this is gonna be fun Someday such a great job voicing marina's voice lines and actually singing for the part of her Of that, yeah I've seen one of the dev devs gift or play her mid lane and he's scary playing her Oh, that's at the time Yeah Yeah, surprise the hell out of me because I'm like I haven't learned the items I need to yeah, I mean she could damage people while healing herself too, so Yeah All right, I think that's um, that's all the questions we had uh, you guys got anything else for ethereal I don't think anything comes to mind No, no, no, I can't I can't say Too afraid to give them too much away No, I think the question that I think I had is like a feedback thing and that's not for here. Okay Not the right not the right location for it. Uh, all right. Well, let's move on to overprime then um Big announcement from them. We didn't get the cover last week. It came out right before the show aired. Um 11 day closed beta test announced for 29 april so We're going to get to play the old overprime for 11 days We've been asking for this like how are these games going to fare how they going to hold up If they're being tested for longer than a weekend And we going to find out we're going to learn today And for those of you that are in the united states that actually say dates correctly That's april 29th because I don't know why man goose decided to switch to the european standard for dates What did I say? 29 april Okay, because that's what you have on the sheet you put 29 april. Yeah I'll start going military on you. I don't give a shit that actually, you know, put it the correct way April 29 whatever 11 day closed beta test 29 april. What do you guys think? at zero nine hundred hours I do I can't wait man goose. I Like we said before that we think it's gonna be They're probably I hope that there's gonna be a patch in the middle of it, right that they Get those first couple days of feedback and then test themselves at implementing a patch and then going from there as well Because that is a good great thing for practice for them going forward But also we'll show us what how quickly they can respond to Potential things that show up especially if we start getting new characters that weren't in the last test in this one Think we're gonna get that new character that they've been teasing Adele they've said that she's almost done I would love it But we we know that what's the other one the shinbi knockoff is going to be in it, right? Uh, well, you've got you've got jenna who has the red jacket She's the one with the sword that she swipes around like an anime girl. Okay, then you've got rena Who I don't know what the fuck she does. She dances around with the paragod heroes apparently But uh, I don't think either of those are going to be in the closed beta test. Those are planned for the future um, but I mean Speaking of heroes, I mean the next point's a big one, but it's gonna be interesting to see what New heroes the what the impact of new heroes is going forward as well Especially heroes that never existed on the legacy map uh, yeah Because that's I think that's I mean like wukong for instance, right? That's a huge Change for wukong to be able assuming they keep his original kit To be able to traverse the legacy map in the same way he could traverse monolith And having travel mode on top of all of his other movement abilities. Yep The brindunculus Can't wait They've showed us a wukong skin and they've assured us that they're adding all the heroes So he'll be coming sooner or later. They'll be coming around the mountain um I think it would be really cool if about halfway through the the test they That's when they dropped a new hero to kind of simulate that experience That could be cool Like I could see them doing that with uh the fey because we've seen gameplay of the fey We've seen her on the website, but she last minute got replaced with shinbi who they're calling borah, but So we know that the fey is playable and probably fairly well balanced So I would love to see her in the game Might definitely see some old pair a new character this gameplay test Have to if had plenty of time to implement one I don't know We'll move on here to this interview. They have this huge interview with uh netmarble inside or something. I guess it's some kind of Company that tracks netmarble. It's probably it's probably actually netmarble. I don't even freaking know but there was a lot of Crazy info that came out of this a lot of people didn't read it because it got translated from Korean into English and so it's a little hard to read and um Yeah, just a lot of the stuff they were talking about Uh, let's let's get into the heroes first So their release schedule is they want to have a paragon hero every month And one of their original heroes every three months so That's pretty crazy Is that going to be like on top of their Like a paragon hero, so they're going to release a paragon hero and a hero like They didn't really clarify, but I would imagine it would be Just one or the other. Yeah a hero a month and every you know every month is paragon and then Then their own which makes you think because I know for a fact From playing over prime before like they got bought out by netmarble and stuff. They had Boris They had serath Graystone Decker they had all kinds of heroes that we haven't seen hiding our hair of in the In the beta test or anything since netmarble. So we know they have these heroes At least somewhat ready. So I think they have quite the backlog of heroes so that they'll be able to um Follow this one one hero a month schedule For you know quite a long time until they have all the heroes in Yeah, and I mean that's the way to do it if you're gonna make a promise like that you probably should have eight months to 12 months of heroes in the can almost To give yourself a year buffer that if anything slows down you have time to catch up Um, I mean, but they've got I think it's 17 heroes of the paragon heroes already in the game Depending on how many put into they put in this next test that leaves What what is that 19 to still be added that gives them 19 months? And even more than that because every three is one of their original heroes, right? Especially when they rework their kits maybe So that gives you two years worth of content on a monthly basis at minimum The the only fear and we all thought it. I know we did as soon as I said every three months hashtag every three weeks I think I one paragon hero a month is not too much to ask at all with them having the assets uh and A new hero every three months really isn't that big of an ask either because I mean epic was able to They kind of fucked themselves over with it eventually But they were able to get a new hero out every three weeks like they had promised um I will say that over prime didn't promise anything. This was just an interview question So I wouldn't I wouldn't hold their feet to the fire if if they weren't able to to make some of these deadlines but uh I don't know. I think it might be doable I think especially with the paragon heroes where very few of the assets need to be touched up at worst Right, then it definitely one a month is definitely doable They're every three For their proprietary characters. I think From what we know assuming that Rina is actually going to be a playable character. She has got four already that we've seen in some capacity And so that's enough. That's a year by itself That they're already ahead of the game at least in terms of modeling So that's I mean, that's a big deal. That's a year of development In the can like I said before where they can Go down the line, right really a month every month for a paragon character. Isn't that bad if you consider like every hero From paragon has an ability that you could take from one or another person Max it up a little bit and you've got your like a hero I mean just look at uh fey if you take her pole Or like from her alt and you could take that pole and then go to wraith Is rewind basically the same thing just on a delay kind of yeah So with that in mind like you could definitely pump out a hero every three months or one month Whatever you need to do as long as you've got a structure there to make heroes And I'm just 100 convinced that they have a backlog just ready and waiting that they can introduce right now Yeah, but I think it's a good strategy to wait and do it every once a month Keep things fresh keep things going keep it popping And once a month kind of fits in with the mobile market Mobile market they update their games with new big content like that about once a month So it makes sense that with net marble as they're backing that that's kind of the route that they're going as well Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was net marble. That's the one giving those dead deadlines It could be From what they've been saying net marble has been pretty hands-off and just letting them Do what they need to do and just giving them the support they need but We'll see how that goes if they're once they If they if they're not making money, we'll see how long net marble stays on the sidelines, you know what I mean? Yeah um Let's speaking of they assured us in this interview that all paid products will be cosmetic That nothing that you actually have to pay real Money for Will will affect your stats or your skill? It'll all be cosmetics So that's especially with us seeing loot boxes in the game Um, that's that's really good to hear Again earnable. What's that? But will it be earnable? And that's what will the cosmetics be earnable. Is that what you're saying? Yeah It's like it's like much for grind overwatch right every level. Yeah, you get a free loot box to open Right. It's a retention system by itself, which is big, but it also allows you to get those things for free um, and so it's that's that I hate to call it this but is like the gold standard if you're going to do cosmetic only based free reward system in my head, um The thing that we saw with paragon though, and we see it with smite as well is Content that is purely locked behind the loot boxes that I couldn't pay for even if I wanted to yeah That it's that to me is the ultimate frustration Of like really like you're gonna make me it's it almost I want It's almost extortion at that point of like Like let's put the coolest skin. Let's take one of those severog skins Right and the the solid gold one. Let's put that as the only achievable in a loot box You notice all the severog mains are gonna grind that out They're gonna pay for 10 boxes to try and get that skin Right like it's I would hate hate hate hate hate to see that Then we get to watch their stream where they're they open up 40 loot boxes and get skins for everybody but rampage Yeah, exactly Yeah, let's hope that doesn't happen ugh But if it would be even worse if it was items or like, you know what I mean I hope yeah, I still don't want to see anything locked behind a loot box everything I hope you can just buy straight up and I certainly think that they're well within their rights to take the skins that they made and Sell those only for money not make them grindable like those skins. They should be able to sell straight up I don't think you should They should have to make those grindable the paragon skins the unreleased skins Yeah, those you shouldn't have to pay for because we already paid for them once Yeah, right the hard part is they've also updated a lot of those paragon skins. Yeah, that's true And so at what point does the line blur between epics and ours? Right like I think the one that comes to mind granted It's mostly the epic version of the skin Is that Raven sparrow skin Yeah That they added like eyes and they made it they made it more distinct But it's still in essence is the same skin, right? So at that point, where does the line fall? That's very true Didn't think about that At least they've made changes. I mean they They covered this that this in the interview too. I didn't write it down here But they cut they talked about why they changed shinbi or like her basic appearance like shinbi and and kuang and Some of the other heroes like they're straight up physical appearances changed and they wanted it As you've been saying jelly, they wanted to market to a more a more eastern audience And to do so they made made it look appear More like it was an eastern game Like black desert online or something like that. Yeah Because that's what shinbi looks like now She looks like she would be straight out of black desert online or in her interface at least 100% Oh, yeah What's that dark as making sense like a phase was in there and her one outfit made her very Like a clubgoer in japan A graffiti artist She had a little Kansas paint paint. Yeah You know how graffiti artists wear their cat ears and Whole through there. Yeah I don't know what the inspiration for that skin was it's cool though Yeah, I can't complain. Yeah, I know right Um, one of the things they said they aimed to create a fun game not a top seller So I don't know this is like a that's That's good to hear I'm still on the fence like I barely trust It's one of those things though of like that's almost the promise that pretty much every company makes when they're coming out with their game He are Right like, uh, yeah, our goal is to make games fun for players, right Duh, okay. Yeah, your goal is also to make a boatload of money Yeah, I've got just seen murray college call of duty in battlefield with like a word Uh, not like it's just one of those things of like Sure, I believe you until you make me not believe you. Yeah uh It's like I did that video recently about how the different paragon projects have been funding themselves And I mentioned, you know, I Don't trust like I trust teams whole eve. I don't trust net marble as a gaming company somebody left a comment saying that they have played some of net marvel's mobile games and that Everything was grindable and you didn't have to pay to win But then somebody immediately under that was like Yeah, yeah, you can grind it if you take like forever But you really have to if you want to make any progress whatsoever you got to pay, you know That's kind of where they get you with the mobile games You're paying for time more than you are Yeah Time savers. Yeah, it's just with any mobile game. I could tell you How much I've spent on star wars galaxy I can tell you the grind it takes to get one character to a certain level Every month that they drop something. It's ridiculous. It's the mobile market It sucks Let's let's let's move on to the bomb They dropped the the turd they dropped in the toilet during this interview Ah, they aren't they I mean they are going to go console as they've said a million times We've seen them playing on the ps5 and blah, blah, blah, but they are not planning for cross play Because they think it's unfair to have mouse and keyboard players playing with controller players, which is A hotly debated topic that that has gone rounds within our community forever I know what you guys think of this, but tell me what you think of it jelly I mean On one hand, I understand where they're coming from right mouse and keyboard players always complain about the Auto aim that controller players get that they're favored They have a favor to win because they get some form of auto aim to help a conflict to help compensate for the fact that they're on analog sticks Fine But then controller players constantly complain that mouse and keyboard players have it easier because they have better control over their character and yada, yada, yada Or a popy slider Yeah, by just eliminating cross play you get rid of that argument basically from the get go But being from the paragon community that was such a big thing for a lot of people That that's a hard sell. I think for a lot of The original paragon players Now that being said To my knowledge at least paragon did not have a big eastern market So like we've been saying mangos is the more they appeal to the eastern market It may not make a difference because That either a may be more of a standard over there than it is here And b they wouldn't know better coming from paragon directly Or you could just have an option just turned off cross play like all the other games have But it still creates that toxicity Like it's just it's a no win scenario So it's better to not be in the scenario in the first place right change the conditions of the test. Yeah um Yeah, but if you really think about it, there's so much keyboard and mouse support on consoles. It's like it doesn't make sense There is but you still have the same You're still akin to the controllers inputs Kind of that you're like the dead zones on analog six It still counts for mouse and keyboard like that you'd have to go through some pretty extreme lengths To get one to one mouse and keyboard on a console. Yeah I know of what There's like a little usb that you can get plugging it into a console and plug it into your computer I'll plug it into my greatest five and stomp on these kids I really I really hope they reconsider this Um, I think they will reconsider it because they thought there was an outcry about travel mode And If they release on console and don't have cross play in some capacity Like maybe ranked isn't cross play, but quick matches or something like that, you know Especially if they're only going to release on ps5 Because with the shortage of ps5s not everybody has one so you're dwindling your player base instantaneously just because of the nature of the The console not even because of your game having cross player not right I think that's the only console they can release on unless they do the whatever fucking xbox is Oh the xbox series or something. Yeah I don't know I don't think they can even get a ps4 dev kit Anymore I don't know I'm gonna do some hardcore research into that and find out Yeah, because I wonder if the ps5 dev kit also allows backwards compatibility to ps4 That it does not that I know I know it does not No, that's last I heard You were not allowed to exclusively design anything for ps4 anymore At bare minimum you had to do both ps4 and ps5. Okay Um, but we haven't seen anything about ps4 for them, but I wouldn't Blame them for not showing that either. Yeah, this ps5 is the newer better one, right? So Yeah, it could go either way I don't know. I just think I think they're definitely going to reconsider this I think they will eventually decide that they're going to allow cross play in some capacity They did say that they have the technology for it. It wouldn't be that hard to implement So if it's not that hard to implement, I think that they will do it because people are going to Shit a fucking cow whenever they hear that Yeah, I mean and I'll wash my mouth out with soap later guys So don't worry if epic did it with fortnight and eventually put in cross play Right. There's no there's no good reason not to necessarily for overprime Oh, and also I just don't think there's that big of a like I know plenty of Controller players that can outplay the dog shit out of me like I'm not great, but I'm about an average player I would say And if if you could beat the average player with a that's on a mouse and keyboard and you've got a controller It's not that big of a deal like it's not going to be Maybe at the highest levels of gameplay. Yes, but when you're just dicking with regular joes Just having fun playing paragon. It's not going to matter if it's fucking mouse and keyboard versus Controller Yeah, well man goes you keep that to yourself from your low rank dark And I at the higher echelons of gameplay are going to take our mouse and keyboards and run. Okay. Thank you very much I don't know. I actually played a lot of paragon on my computer with the controller All right, I'm gonna stay at the higher echelons of gameplay you and dark can have each other. Okay Fair enough fair enough Uh, here's something that I did like They plan to have voice chat Hallelujah Thank god And that's something that's there is a core plugin to unreal now That basically I assume there's more than just turning it on but for the most part You just flip a switch this just comes in place to just turn it on Okay, yeah, there are excellent Because yeah, that's something that people have been wanting for a very long time. They wanted it in paragon Of course the argument is always that if you have voice chat that people are going to say offensive shit Of course, that's going to happen. But you have mute. You have a mute button. Just right Use it. Yeah, if you can't deal with somebody saying one bad thing before you mute them, then what the hell Oh, sorry. I muted man goose. What did they say? Uh I mean it give people the if they people just don't want to hear it Give them the option to just mute everybody from the fucking start from the get no Couldn't agree more So, yeah, I'm really happy to see that I would actually be really cool to be able to talk shit to the enemy team like you get close and There's like voice proximity Yeah, good Back when ethereal was first starting testing. I was making such a big deal about like we should do proximity chat in ethereal We're about to catch these hands The last thing you would hear before I ended your life would be Yeah, exactly Oh man, all right now, um Moving on they also posted some revenant gameplay. They posted some new gameplay. They had their sparrow gameplay last time They got their revenant gameplay this time um Didn't look like that was much different from the from the sparrow gameplay It was just cool to see rev in action. I will tell you um one of the very first comments us all went over when I was about to make the exact same comment on their video was uh They need to not have him use his voice line every fucking time he reloads Every time 100% agree Yeah, that that got annoying real freaking quick But um They seem to have their name is aid bangus. Oh shade my bad shade Not revenant shade But yeah, that was kind of a problem in the last play test is that there was way too many voice lines Flying around after you did goddamn anything Like just ease up on that like get it. I get it once every five or something like that I don't know all right Then uh, did you guys have anything you wanted to say about that revenant gameplay? No Yeah, nothing Then something I think they just posted it today. It was a new sweet ass uh several wrong skin concept with uh It looked like a hammer Mixed with a sickle instead of just a hammer and not just a sickle. It looked pretty badass It's always good to see their skin concepts The the demoria skins that they have bangus demoria demoria Um, you knowing all their names freaks me out, man But the skin lines all the skins that he has honestly impressed the hell out of me like they're just So good and it's it makes me feel like the skins we that everyone thought were super great of severog in paragon We're just garbage like there was so much more potential that we never saw I'm just in general like I still say that the the steels the jailer steel skin or whatever the fuck they Convicts goddamn scott skin. Okay. What was rampage named akamash? I Don't know you've reached the limit of the characters. I know man. So scott and akira like akira had the fucking He was named tearing What fucking he had that like planted of the yapeskin like those were better than anything Epic ever did 100 the fucking shimby skin was amazing It wasn't nearly as you know in your face and detailed is like the scott or the Rampage skin. I'm just gonna say rampage, but goddamn when it was good. It looked great the face skin. It looked great Like they have yeah, they're knocking it out of the fucking park with their skins Yeah, 100% if nothing else like the skins by themselves make me want to play the game and that's cool That's a cool thing to have for your game that purely based on looks you you can say that I don't lie paragon kept it so basic. They could have done so much more I don't know man. Like they had some pretty cool concepts lined up, but I think the big thing is that paragon was trying to turn out skins as fast as possible And cool skins are harder to make Yeah, put the intern on it Recolors though recolors are easy. Yep recolors are really easy And um Something else I was just reminded of um, they were talking during that interview how 98 percent Of the people following overprime were either north america or e.u But like I think it was like 63 of the people that played overprime were from asia Interesting Which means And I said this in the video that's coming out yesterday or it'll be tomorrow for us now yesterday for when this airs Like you were right jello. You've been saying that for months now that they specifically tailored their aesthetics and marketing towards the eastern market And and it has worked out working clearly they specifically said in the interview is because they had a successful marketing campaign in asia that brought in a whole bunch of a whole bunch of people so That excites me because that's people that probably have never even heard of paragon These are people that just the marketing for overprime got to them and then they played in the closed beta test So that demonstrates that they're able to Produce their own player base. They don't just have to rely on the fucking para zombies want to go refugees That conversion is insane to go from two percent of your audience to 63 of your players in a test Is absolutely bonkers It is fantastic considering that a lot of the AAA studios here in the west are Hardcore making sure that their games tailor to the east Because they the market is there if a game is not successful there. It probably won't be successful here Yeah art move No, that's that's nuts. I would kill to see the like the full breakdown of metrics on that Yeah, me too like how to give those numbers like is that is that just a discord community that they're saying is 98% or I would imagine like there are followers on youtube and shit like that Having a bigger western population europe included makes sense to me because paragon refugees So that that sells me on that no problem having it be 98 percent He's a bit insane. Yeah to then convert like I said the conversion is just ridiculous Yeah, because that I would guess that the majority of that two percent are the people that played the last test Because there's no way you get to a majority of eastern players In a 98 west dominated community if it's not almost all of your eastern players, right? Which that's not a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination. That just shows that there's So much growth for them on that side of things. Yeah with them having it open for 11 days We can get some bigger numbers because not a lot of people could have off that last test And this gives more time for people to jump in give the game a try and see how I like it It gives time for that honey moon phase to end and we can find out what people really think of the game Yeah, for sure I get another 75 minute game. I'm gonna cry Yeah, oh god. I hope they fixed that because their games went way too long a lot of times I see people all the time Talking about well, it's not even a moba. It's just a brawler Like no, it's still a moba. Like there's still a pretty solid laning phase And if you try and death ball, you're gonna be screwed by the people that are actually Playing the game like a moba And also we had games that went fucking ours I mean, the other thing is overwatch is a moba So if if overwatch is a moba over primes a moba, there's no question about it. Like it's just one of those things Yeah The moba genre is a lot more broad than people give it credit for It just stands for multiplayer online battle arena. That could be anything. Yep It just depends on how you define a moba gigantic people defined as a moba, but that didn't have any minions or Or abilities the I mean that abilities, but you didn't have items or anything. You didn't have a shop I don't know. I mean Battle royale is just a giant form of elimination Yeah, yep Yeah, there are a lot of games that classify as mobas that people wouldn't even think of It's just because dota league and smite have defined the moba genre the moba genre for so long Right, that's what people think constitutes a moba I don't but I think the the thing that people think constitutes a moba Over prime has like it's oh, yeah 100 percent It's not just everybody loads up a ram style in the mid lane and dukes it out from fucking minute one No, you gotta you gotta farm up and get some items and shit before you can start dealing damage I'm not talking call of duty here All right, that's all I had for um For over prime unless you guys had anything else Nope No, all right. I'm excited man I I I decided I was going to count over prime as our topic for discussion because they had so much fucking Information to go through Those people that are here for the topics of discussion every week are really disappointed in you man goose Probably are I feel bad we need to get back to them, but I also don't want Four hour shows We're not looking at anyone in particular when we say we don't want four hour long Shows, right? No purple people with lightsabers, right? No, no, no, we wouldn't even possibly No bearded people of uh Michigander descent Yeah, exactly. We're not talking about those people at all No, no, no, that would be a menace All right, so that's going to close it out. Let's uh move on to plugs Darkly you got anything to plug buddy Yeah, my new twitch channel name is This guy named kevin Come there. Follow me Watch me play fault Is your name kevin? My name is kevin Better be kevin because i'll be disappointed It is kind of disappointed that it is kevin. I would I try changing into like oh my god kevin Brilliant Hey jelly anything to plug Uh man goose subscribe to man goose. I don't know no not really okay down there hit the bell Or over there depending you get right down there. Um, yeah sub the jelly. I guess a whole different show man goose and darkly Um, any final thoughts before we close it out get anything else Last call last call boys Oh Catch me on uh over prime in a week and a half Yeah, cash me outside. How about that? Exactly. See you on the battlefield Yeah, uh, that's gonna wrap it up for this week. Thanks for coming out Thanks for uh watching the premiere or the video or however the fuck you'll watch the goddamn thing But for now, this is the four of the minions crew signing off you guys. Have a good one man goose Special shout out to channel members foolish blood hunter jelly knees me. I'll mix for men stunt farith and raven