 Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique house. It's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely official Miss Jamaica. What's going on? Hey, man, we got a special guest today, but first of all, let me just say, man, we here, man, we over in Las Vegas. Las Vegas. Wow. Man, how did we make it here, huh? Right, man. We took a break. Oh, man, that's only God, man. Check it, man. Hey, man. Say, man, we here with Mr. Clint Sand. Mr. Clint Sand. Mr. Payback. Mr. Payback. Mr. Payback. You caught me payback for show. Man, so, man, how you doing, man? Man, I'm blessed and highly flavored, man. Man, so, hey. I didn't know where the payback come from. Mr. Payback. He must have owed somebody and paid them back. Yes. You know, from L.A., South Central, we had the racial profiling with the cops to pull you over for anything and whatever, and be just super disrespectful. Mm-hmm. Got pulled over, mistaken identity, guns drawn out, the felony takedown, the whole get-own. And then after they, we weren't the person they were looking for. We didn't respect them. We didn't care. Handcuffs. You think they all were sorry? No, you don't know how to hear that. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. They said, sit on the ground. Made it sit on the curb. We on a freeway. Helicopter. We stopped traffic to hold get-own. It looked like a movie. And then he went, I was the last one in line. And then he was like, yeah, you in the gang? He asking to eat all of us, right? At the time. Like if you were in a game, you're going to say, yeah, I'm in the gang. Right. But if you saw us, you know what I'm saying? We are musicians. We look like you pulling over with the revolution. You know what I'm saying? Like Princeton Revolution. Yeah, yeah. Like you pulling a bunch of weirdos over. You know what I'm saying? And so he went down the line asking you in the gang. You got a nickname. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He got to me. Mm-hmm. And I was like, no, I ain't no damn, you know, darn gang. You pissed on here? Yeah, I got it. I slipped up. You know what I'm saying? That's fine. You know what I'm saying? Bilingual. I go through any type of violence. You know what I'm saying? Like rickery. But you know, everything that you're saying, it reminds me of Straight Outta Compton. Straight Outta Compton. Exactly. That's what it reminded me when they pulled them over and judging them and stuff like that. That's the era. That's the time. Oh, okay. It was 1990 when it happened to me. Oh, okay. And so he got down to me. He was like, you ain't no damn gang. He said, reached for my shirt. See if I got a tattoo. I was like, I ain't got no damn tattoo. You got a nickname. So at the time, you know, my dad's a lawyer and my mom works for a city. She know all the little Congress people and mayors. Mm-hmm. So I'm like, you know, I don't have this fool in trouble or whatever. So you see you got a nickname. Wasn't he a white guy? He was a white guy, of course. Okay. It don't matter, but they have black ops, but it don't matter. Okay. And so it was the same day America's Most Wanted came out. Oh. So the first line I used to say is I heard paybacks are motherfucking niggas. Right. So I heard payback. So when he asked me, what's my nickname? I said, payback. But I mentioned like I'm going to pay you back. You know what I'm saying? Did you ever pay them back? Did you ever get them in trouble? Hell no. So you ain't no real payback then? No. Me and Pop, I told Pop he used to be the civil rights dude with the shotgun. He a fool. Okay. And so we went down to the police station. You got to file at least five complaints against the cop before internal affairs even looks at him. So we went down there. Had the gangster to get the complaint going. They asked the lawyer, they tried to run the game on us. Oh, who are you? Let me investigate your son. We ain't going to give you nothing. Blah, blah, blah. My dad ran the cold on him. No, on the cold. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You ain't caught up. He realized Pop was the lawyer and he gave it to us. You feel that complaint? That was it. I never heard back. They never called me in for nothing. Nothing. I never knew that. You have to file five complaints. Five complaints. Separate complaints. Different people need to file a complaint against the cop before they leave. So it has to be five different people. So if you keep having to run in with a certain cop and it's five different occasions, that doesn't count. No, it does. He needs to have five complaints to get him peered. Whether it's me, he did it five times to me or five different people. Internal affairs says, okay, let's investigate them. Until then they run them up. That's why they do what they do. So people were like, so I got smart with the cop. He said, payback exhibition. So no, I don't have your punk ass behind a motherfucking desk fucking with me. That's what I said to the cop. So my friends or musicians, they don't know that side of me. You know what I'm saying? And so they go, oh, payback. And it teased me. Payback, payback. And then through the hood everybody was like, hey, what's up, payback? And it kind of stuck. You know what I'm saying? So how is it like growing up in LA in that era? Because you talking about that's the era with Ice Cube and all of that. And you knew all of these people. Yeah. How was it like growing up in that era? It was vicious. Was it really like straight out of Compton? It was worse than straight out of Compton because you had the projects, Watts, Compton. Everybody would gang bang and shoot in Compton and Watts, who lives in Compton and Watts. Most of them didn't have cars. So when they started selling dope, now they got cars. Now they wouldn't come over to other parts of the city, Hollywood, Venice Beach. Probably just like, you know, that are tourist attractions. And then shoot it up. Get the gang banging and set tripping on everybody, you know what I'm saying? So everywhere you went, I don't care where you went, turn into a shootout. And you run it for your life to your car and try to get out to your, you know what I'm saying? Terrified. Because in the movie, I remember to me the worst part in the movie was when after the police came out and all of the craziness started happening. So you were there during that time. Yeah. I mean, I ask you, who's my favorite rapper, one of the reasons is because the, when he rose what I saw, the police tripping or the dope or the gang banging or everything. And then they have riots and stuff like that? We had to, yeah, we had to ride in king rides. Toe a hole in LA. And you saw all of that? I was in there. You were trying to, I was in there. So you were really in there. But yeah, when it went down, I was watching TV the whole, the whole get down. The craziest part, I was watching the trial with Ice Cube. I was working in that time. So when the trial was on, me and watching. And then when they said, not guilty, we left the studio, we cut this session short. So now I'm going home because they're going to tear this mug up. And as soon as I got home, Reginald didn't get beat up on camera. And it was my homeboys live out from Florence Normandy. So they're telling me, they running in the stores taking stuff, maybe running in these stores, they end up police coming. And then they show the video the news did of the city is on fire. How did you meet him? How did you end up working with him? With Ice Cube. So let me go back. So it's a long story to get to Ice Cube. I think it's important because it was a valuable lesson I learned. Okay. So as a bass player, you want to have a baseline that everybody knows. You know what I'm saying? Like breakouts, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right? So I'm like, I want to do something. I ain't related to nobody. I don't know nobody in the music industry. So I'm just like, you got to deal. You got to deal. You got to do who? You know what I'm saying? Around the people wanting the money to work. Where did your music come from though? Was that your dad or somebody was also in the music? Why you ended up in the music? Oh, you just love the music. The school had a lot of musicians in it. And my mom was trying to keep me out the street because she saw where I was going. Oh, okay. So for us it was piano. And I hated it. So you weren't in sports. And then I saw I want the bass. I was in sports. Okay. But we playing in the streets too. You know what I'm saying? The park, second half park. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. It's all the homies. The second half park. I'm out of it. And getting fights and everything else. Getting fights. You know what I'm saying? A gang band. People initiating everybody. You know what I'm saying? My dad, he was a lawyer. He was getting kids out at juvenile hall. So he knew all the gang, everything. Where you go to the side, the colors, everything. She couldn't get that off of the house. But so I was dating this girl. Her dad was an entertainment attorney. So I got him in the court and pressed him. You know, I know you got somebody with a deal that you represent and that you can hook me up with. He said, don't look for the money to work. Work and the money to come. So I don't understand that. So I'm still walking up on people who got a deal, who got a deal. And usually people who get deals have their own little clique, the little crew. So you can't get in that. They already got a bass player. You know what I'm saying? And then I finally gave up and I said, okay, I'm going to work for free and see what happens. So I told my neighbor, a dude named D.J. Donmu, he's well known in LA. And so I told him, I was like, yo, if anybody needs a bass on anything, I'll play on anything for free, you know, whatever. That's the key word, free. Free. So a couple of days later, he said, I got somebody wants you to play bass. They gave me the number, the address, all that. I went to the house. It's in the valley in LA. Nice part up in the hills. I'm like, okay, put up in the house, house and bomb. I'm like, damn, okay. This might end up with a check. But then I go in the house, they got a little eight track in the bedroom. So I just, whatever, man, I played five songs. And when I finished the five songs, somebody walked in the room behind me. So I'm sitting in the chair. There's a swivel with my bass. I can't turn around to see who it is. So they's like, oh man, play them songs. And she played one song. Who's that? It was him. He was like, are you tight? They play another song. They play all five songs. I was all him. He's like, yeah. He did that today. He said, yeah. He said, man, I just got off tour. He said tour. I said, hmm. He's like, I want to turn around and look. Wait a minute. And he said, yeah, we're starting a little group. You know what I'm saying? So you still didn't turn around and see who it was? I didn't turn around and see who it was. And he said, we're starting a group. Anything you'll play bass for us? And I'm thinking, here we go with some more free stuff. Turn around was Ron Devoe. Wow. New edition. I'm thinking BBD. How dope is that? So I was like, what? I didn't even knew exactly who it was. Yeah. Are you serious? So I started, oh, looking at the plaques. And we're at his house. And the guys I was playing for were his twin brothers. Oh, so this was his house you were at. You didn't look at plaques before. I'm thinking, we were drawing. I said, I'm going to eat this bread. And so now I'm playing for BBD. And how long did you play for BBD? Just like maybe a year. Okay. Six months. They had a short run. They had a new album. And they do it. Yeah. I remember that. And so, but my older brother, Jay, had a friend, Booker. You guys heard of the Booker T and MGs? Mm-hmm. They had them. We heard the song as a classic instrumental song anyway. Yeah. I know music. I don't always know. His son, Booker T Jones III was a big time engineer. He tracked and mixed Brandy's first album, whatever. He was a man. Mm-hmm. And so he saw me. He was doing the session. So he was like, I don't know. He was just good. You know what I'm saying? He said, if I paid you, back when we had pages. Mm-hmm. If I paid you. But you know, called me right back and to be playing with me. Like I'm a little kid, right? I'm like, all right, man. Yeah. All right. All right. And he called me. Next session was Ice Cube. Wow. Mm-hmm. So I'm walking into the studio. Ain't no one who I'm about to. I'm like, all right, man. What am I doing? And I actually walk in. Huh? Already, man. Right there. He saw me playing. And what's the funniest thing is like when you grew up, like Bootsie Collins made me want to play the bass. So all that parliament stuff I learned at the time, they were trying to replay samples from Parliament. They weren't trying to sample it no more. They weren't people to replay it. So I knew all them songs. So they played it. Can you play this? Something in flashlight? Like I've been playing that for about 10 years, but I ain't saying nothing. I was like, yeah, let me see. Like this. And like, damn, he figured it out like two seconds. I see a hit record. I play it down for five minutes. Like, damn. So everybody was tripping. So then Cube was like, man, I want you to play, you know, whatever I'm doing. So it was Lynch mob, whatever, whatever. Me and Cube in close in age. And I knew a lot of his people, his wife's people, his cousins and everything like that. So we kept seeing, kept hanging with each other. And then the studio is that he recorded that because he was a man at the time. Everybody tried to record there. So it'd be five or six rooms. So people would see me hanging with him and be like, oh, that's Cube's bass player. And then I saw playing with Deb. And that got you a lot of other gigs. Everybody on the West Coast at the time I played bass. How long did you play for him? Uh, from 93 on to now. So you still playing with him? Yeah. That's awesome. I'm doing a theme song for his big three basketball league. Yeah. How was that transitioning over into that outside of what he's already been? Because to you it's just music, right? So you could play, you get into it. It doesn't matter what's happening. You're more into the music, right? Yeah. So it can be basketball. It can be a movie. It could be anything but to you. It's all music. It's consistent. It's all music. He just came to Dallas the other day promoting that. Sure did. Because I reached out because I wanted to get him on a broadcast. I reached out but I wasn't very successful. We're going to keep working. Cube is usually a year. Behind. Ahead. Oh. He's planning his year. Like whatever he's going to do next year on this time he's already planning it out. So it's hard to catch him. And that's what kind of I learned a lot from him. Because he's always real organized and structured. And so he plans everything out. So he's planned out for a whole year. Wow. That's good. Always a year ahead. And I hit a date. I said they got a date wrong. I said nah. Like I got to do that next year. I was like damn. You planned that ahead. I love that. I can't plan a week ahead. I forget and that show up. Me too. See I wish I could. No. I would be that person that would be just like him trying to plan. But when you have people around you who don't do the same thing it's very hard. Yeah. Yep. Don't look at me like that. What you looking at me like that. Fuck. Yeah. So I'm playing with Ice Cube. And the plan for E4. I mean anybody in on the West Coast. And then it's like getting flown to New York. And that's our plan for Easy Mo Beaks brother LG. So it was like Illinois Scratch. She was like a bunch of groups like that. That they would fly me out because I'm Cubes. Quote unquote. But that's how I realized in this industry when you get to work with a notarite, a very popular person. It's a case where they label you because I was somebody else was telling me about Janet Jackson piano player. And I'm like that's how they know the person. Right. Not by their names. This isn't such player. This isn't such. And that's what helps them to get their gigs. Heck yeah. You know. I gave him and didn't charge him. I gave him all the rights to the big three theme song. Just to say thank you for my association with him. Bless me from nine to three on that. Wow. You know what I'm saying? That's big. The fact that you would be able to do that. You know a lot of people get to going and they feel like it's themselves who made it happen. So that's big. That's big character. But you know I definitely get it. Because when people help us or have helped us back he's a whatever. It's always love. It's always love man. Yeah. And he's never changed who he is. Same dude. Let's play some bones. Nigga was had it. No Hollywood. He's the same dude. He's the same. He's the same. He's never. He's even dressed the same. T-shirt, jeans, t-shirts. Yeah. I've seen that. You know what I'm saying? Because one thing it says a lot about you. To me it seems more like a brotherhood between you and him because for the main fact you've been working with him for such a long time. You know what I mean? Because it's hard to find people that you can you know really get along with. And they know exactly what you want. And then they don't get too big headed about it. You know what I mean? Because this business you can find a lot of people who get big headed. Oh yeah. I got some people I really want to put on glass right now. God right now. Let me ask you this. So playing or producing the song on Soul Plane that Jen and Juice, how did that transpire? You know like how did you guys, how did they, how did you come into that? Again work, do the work and the money had come. The music supervisor she's passed, Clara McCory was an intern doing something. I played bass on Blank Man with Damian Wands. And so she ended up trying to go into music supervisor and she was working on the movie and she needed some music but she didn't have a budget yet so I worked with her. And so she remembered that. And so they had a meeting for Soul Plane to get Jen and Juice instrumental from Death Row. Death Row waited forever to give a response yes or no or price. When he came back with the price he was way too much. So she knows I know how to do that kind of music whatever. She called me before. I need something that sounds like such and such but she needed the exact copy and she knew I can do it. So she called me before she called anybody. Wow. I did it right on the spot. You know emailed it to her the next thing in the morning she checked it and they placed it in the director and said you know give it a green light. Wow. You have an air for stuff. You know what being accountable and punctual goes a long way. Wow. They know they can count. If I say I don't do it, I won't do it. If I say I can't do it but then I realize I can't I won't say that too. I guess you ain't gonna play with you. What is your weakness? We're the business concern. Whoa. It's exposing. The weakness. Yes your weakness. Everybody has a flaw. Everybody has a weakness. You have a strength and you have your weakness. What is your weakness? Where do you know that your strength is your accountable? Yeah. I had my weakness was trusting. Wow. And I got into it. It was an act that I was there in Inglewood. If you hear what I'm talking about without saying his name. In Inglewood when he was with a group. I was working with the group, grew up around the dudes. Everything. Then he started working with Ice Cube. I'm working with Ice Cube. So I'm with him every day. Ice Cube just interviewed me and him in the back. Sitting around talking to him. Wow. Right. And so then he did a single. I did a single. I played bass all over it. Right. Ho album. And then he got kind of big. Then he started signing groups from Inglewood. So he used to have me produce them and stuff like that. He's cutting me checks. But then I did a song for his album. And he forgot to pay that one. Wow. Then he was playing games. Call me tomorrow. Call me tomorrow. Page me this time. I know who it is. Just by your expression. He kept doing it. He kept doing it. He kept doing it. And I was like, hey, homie, you know what I'm saying? So then it got real bad. Then the album came out. And he ain't knowing that. He got people that want to take him out. Wow. And they're getting that media that know him. And they almost threatened my life or want to pay me a whole bunch of money. I thought about it. So I'm sitting there contemplating it. I mean my manager's office is a white guy. Evan Forester. But he knows everybody. Evan does. So I'm sitting there contemplating. He said, but what you doing? And he knows the people that are after Mac 10. He knows the serious people. He ain't going to say their name. She goes to them when he has a problem. Oh, wow. So that dude got at me. And I'm like, I was thinking, oh, I can use that money. Maybe they don't know. He's what I was thinking about. But I'm sweating. I'm like, like this, man. He's like, what's going on? So, man, I got a decision I got to make, man. And I told him the situation. He said, no, man. That's not how you do it, dawg. You're grown. You got to get that street shit along. Duh, duh, duh, duh. He said, this is how you do it. He called priority records. He knew the president. Called him. He said, hey, you got a song out there without a contract or a check. Wow. Win them out, whatever. And we can do a cease and assist right now. Exactly. Let's make it paid. And so he called the artist. The artist said, I'll be there in a half an hour with the check. They faxed the contract. He told me to be up there in a half an hour to have everything. I showed up, signed my checks on the contract and got a bottle there. Shout out to him. Shout out to him. My dad's an attorney. Of course. And so I know that accomplices do jail time, too. Right. They be like, how did you find his house? You know what I'm saying? He told me, boom. There I go. You know what I'm saying? I get locked up, too. So I avoided it. I mean, there's a lot of street stuff out there. So, man. I can imagine, especially when you're raised around that. It's so easy to just get that done. But you just think, we cool. Man, you cool. We ain't never done that. We cool. Man, you cool. We hang out. I see you about a month or two. I will work with this show. You blow up all that. Yeah. Payback. I need a theme song for my show. All right. Cool. Cool. I'm usually got to do like a dope deal with the money. You know what I'm saying? I'll shoot the money. Okay. Here's the track. Switch. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I pay tomorrow. I pay tomorrow. And then I don't hear from you. And then you playing games on the phone. Call me one o'clock. And then you don't answer. Call me tomorrow. I'll be there in a few minutes. You know what I'm saying? After a while, it's going to be a fool. You know what I'm saying? So that was a learning lesson that I just... Everybody. I do business. I care about my mama and my brother. Anybody. You know what I'm saying? You want to do something? All right. Here's the contract. The contract and the check. All right. I move. I don't care who you are. So when you said that, you kind of gave away who it was. What was this during the time when they were all working together? For as... Yeah. So I figured that much, you know, because I remember that era. That was a good era, man. Me and him made up, we cool right now, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't want to put his name up like that. Otherwise I put his name up. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's love. That's good, but you don't do any work with him anymore. Yeah, you will. In direct, yeah, yeah. We talk about doing some stuff. Yeah. Okay, but you're just gonna make sure to contract everything signed first. Oh yeah, I ain't, I don't play with nobody. I don't care. No, he really helped you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was a learning lesson. That's what I'm saying. It just helps us, because if I had problems, as people I can go to, like the guy who wanted to get at, you know what I'm saying? And I can get stuff done. But I, you know what I'm saying? I said, yeah, let me just go corporate. And I got a, my lawyer is a beast, so. Yeah, yeah. I'm cool with that. That's good. So, how could you, like if you, if someone was like you back in the days, California, I remember it being Texas, bass player coming up. He's probably about 15 years old, trying to figure out how to get out there. How would you advise him to move? What should he do? First, gonna be good at what you do, because I gets down. But when you just started, did you know you got down? Or it took time to learn it? What? Hell yeah. I mean, by this time I was playing for eight years, but I was playing at jam sessions at clubs. So it's kind of like your battle. It's like a freestyle. You're going to a freestyle club, ballin' everybody, like Eminem or something like that. We're the base? That's really? Everybody from, yeah, that, that, that, that. I didn't know that y'all had battles like that. That freestyle, you're not really saying, oh, I'm better than him, but you want somebody to call you. All right, next, you, hey, payback's here. Man, come, hey, payback about to get down. Now if you ain't, if you whack, you know what I'm saying? They'll look past you, you know what I'm saying? So they'll call me up. So I, I, like the dudes I was playing for, I'm like them. I'm like an ice cube. I'm like a doctor's ray. I'm not some dude with some wearing haircut, wearing dude, you know, tights with, with, you know what I'm saying? Pink shirts, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm wearing khakis just like they wearing. I look just like one of them walking in. What's happening? I was from the red team. What's happening? Black, you know what I'm saying? It was crazy. And I, but I was just like them. So it made it. Easy. Relatable for me to, to even hang with them, let alone, you know, play base. So then I listened to what they listened to. So what they're expecting me to play is what I, what I expect to play. So we're on the same page and I like describing something. And I'm like, no, I'm just reading music. I don't know. Parliament, who's that? You know what I mean? Like, I know you named a song. Oh yeah. But you didn't know as a kid that that's who you wanted to play for. No. It just happened. It, it just happened. I didn't target anybody. I just wanted to play on something. So advising the kid because what you're just saying is almost like they need to like focus on somebody and, you know, study them and be like, okay, set your goal really and say, this is who I want to play for and make it happen. I would say whatever genre of music you're going for, like I was going for R&B, rap, whatever, learn that music well and also work first and let the money come. Work for free. Work, play on everything you can play on because it'll lead to something. Wow. I don't care who it was. I was in a bedroom. It's my bedroom with a little real to real A-track, you know what I'm saying? Like the cheapest thing you can buy to record on something and let me to BBD. Being a native from Los Angeles. Yeah, Los Angeles. And being that native and then coming to Vegas and living, how big was that? And I mean, like, like you out here, you mean you out here shooting craps. What are you doing? I mean. Man, let that alone, man. I'm P.O. listening to nothing. Nah. So I had a doing music, I started producing music, I started licensing stuff like Gin and Juice. Every little black movie I got a song in. Wow. John's Family Vacation. Yep, yep, yep. I'm a big fan, whatever. That's dope, man. So I also wanted to get into movies. Okay. And so I felt like I have to I know a lot of people in Hollywood with different, you know, different backgrounds, you know what I'm saying? And so they were telling me that if I look, find and something, avoid in something, is in and exploit it. And so the Fast and Furious was like the street racing, but they exploited it. You know what I'm saying? And people didn't really know about it with the mainstream like that. And so I'm giving up something, but I don't care right about them. Blacks, brothers, brothers riding Harleys. There's no TV show. There's no movie. There's no nothing close. We came to was Biker Boys, but I was I loved it. Right. But I went in the 30s, right? Yeah, yeah, right. Which I like. Yeah, I like Harleys. I like Harleys. They're called Crotch Rockets. Yeah, we just call it bikes in Jamaica. They're like death, death traps. Harleys, you're like a Cadillac. That's right. That's right. Sportbikes you in between car poppies, hitting corners and dipping in those. I got a scarf from here to here from a sport bike. Wow. I got a Ducati, but I still, you know what I'm saying? I like Harleys. Well, I feel safer. You're tempted. Oh, I can do 160. I'm going to 50. Like how many people actually wreck off a Harley? Not many. They do, but it's very rare. You got to be an idiot or a car was doing something extremely stupid. Sportbikes, you get tempted with the speed and you go in between cars. And then, oh, I did the such and such and 180, I flew past. You get caught up in all that. I remember one time back home in Jamaica, right? In Jamaica, you have rocks everywhere, right? And we driving down the street and this guy overtook us. But in Jamaica, they'll overtake you anywhere. So he overtook here and then went on a soft shoulder, which rocks were there, hit a rock and a bike and him went like that. Oh, you're crashing a heartbeat. If you hang around bike clubs, watched all the members, you'll see one missing the next meeting. We were such as that off, man. They found and he had a fire hydrating in the hospital. You'll see. So I see the group smaller and smaller and smaller. Let me ask you this part because I got to ask you this. What? Top three artists of all time, dead or alive. Top three of all time? Of all time, dead or alive. Dead or alive? Injure. Injure. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, we get that. All the time. He killing the game. We had a guy that started as a kid. Yeah, but people say that Chris Brown better than him. Shout out to Trig Daddy. Hold on, not people. A person said. Trig Daddy, L.D. 300. They said Chris Brown came from Mike, so it's kind of. I know that. But Brown type. I'll give it to Chris Brown. He can dance, he can sing. He's probably one of the tightest dudes today. He used to Michael Jackson today. But if you put Michael Jackson and him on the same stage at their heyday, I don't think so, man. So who's your number two? I love Chris Brown, though. Me too. Prince. Of course. The only reason I say Mike before Prince they're kind of neck and neck. It's because Mike, but starting, he was a kid. Mike came number one, I was Prince. Right, but Prince plays all the instruments. He's, to me, is way more talented, but Mike's voice was so unique that it just took him to, whenever, he'd be under me. And number three? Number three, all time. That's hard, because then I'm thinking about rappers. The most influential that changed my life. Are you serious, bro? It's like, I'm looking for him to say that name. Are you serious? I'm sitting there thinking like, you crazy or? No, no, let him say it. All right, all right. Is that thing about Luther or something? No, no, no. No. Palabelle. That's your number three? I could say Palabelle. No, who's your number three? I cannot believe this. No, hold on, hold on. He's gonna say Teddy Pinnagrand. No. Who's your number three? I want him to say, don't say anything. I know what you're thinking, but who's your number three? I ain't gonna say what y'all thinking. Okay, so who's your number three? Number three. I ain't gonna say Beyonce. Y'all looking at me crazy. Nobody, nobody young, nobody young. They gotta be, I don't know, I like, I'll say Palabelle, because I got to throw a woman in the mix. Palabelle. Palabelle. Palabelle. She killed it. You know who he's thinking? What, Ice Cube? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was gonna go there, with Chuck D, then Ice Cube. Chuck D, dress on, because people say I look like him and I always go in his P hat, so did he for Public Enemy, but I'm gonna work my way for Payback. The Pittsburgh Pirate hat. But I wore the McDyne too. And then older brothers would hit me up. Hey, you know we invented history. You know we invented, you know what I'm saying? There was always some jewel they dropped on me. Yeah. And so that kind of got me out of wanting to hurt other blacks and educate them and love them and realize that we need to stop all that. Because right now I say cuss, blood, I don't care who I'm, ain't, well, all right cuss. Oh, you still doing it? You still talking about it? No, no, no. I might be talking to somebody who's a crypt that's grown, right, but I'll say cuss. People who are bloods, for some reason, they take that to their death. Are you serious? You say cuss to a whole blood dude, 50, 60 years old, he be like, what you say to me? Bro, are you serious? Oh my God, so I'm gonna go. How old are you? I'm 52, man. Do you believe that? Okay, so that's a good subject. I like that. I want to talk about it. I was a kid, man. So you're 52. 52, man. And you guys still banging? 52, there's 52s out there right now that still banging, red rags will kill you for the set, all that. And you still talk to them? And get mad at me if I say cuss. What you saying? Because you grew up with them. Yeah, well, did you say they bloods? But when? Okay, cuss. If I talk to Crips, if I talk to OG Crips, who really is still into all that, and I say, all right, blood, they blood what? But when we go down to LA, right? Because you know, back in the days when you watch TV, you see everybody's blue or red, bloods or Crips, whatever. It's not like that anymore. No, blood, let me tell you, when in the 80s, during the Straight Outta Compton era, the late 80s, 90s, then it'd be 30 Crips from Nickerson's or something, like Projects and Watts will come to Westwood. That's like the West Side. UCLA is in Westwood. And come up to that whole little shopping area when the movie theater is at, and get to fighting anybody with a red on, and just fucking shit up, shooting shit in the news. It was off the chain, man. And so... I don't get it, man. I think everything in every season, and when you're... It ain't the same. It ain't the same, but they still doing it. Dude, we are older. And not only we're older, we have the next generation to think about when, because we are wiser. They trying to get them up into the game. You know, the years I haven't even tripped off until I look back, you know when they really go the hardest as a gang member? 15. I get it. I could believe that. 15's the ones that initiate, and gotta shoot somebody, and shoot whatever. He all about the... That's the hardest motherfucker at 15. So around 17 pops. I used to, you know what I'm saying? Partake, you know what I'm saying? With the attire and shit. But I couldn't do that crap. So I had a backpack, no boots in it, and I got all my little chucks and all my little gang bang shit. And I go to school and change clothes, right? And then before I leave the school, I change back and then come home with a square shit on. One day I was tired, came home, forgot to change. Fell asleep on the couch. And pops came home. Like I said, he represent kids. He didn't tore your tail up. What? So yeah, he beat me the hell up. He picked me up and threw me against the wall, fired from here to that wall about five, 10 feet. And I hit the wall right in the middle of the wall. I didn't fall to the ground. I hit the middle of the wall. Like in the movies. In like the movies. Like it was CGI or something. And he said, I said, man, I can't get out of the gang because they'll, or I can't stop wearing this because they'll jump me. He said, are you going to fight me or are you going to fight them? What you going to do? I'm thinking, hey, none of them throw me five feet in the air like that. They ain't free me off the ground. I'll fight all of them. So I went back to school and was like, man, I can't do this no more. And then he told me. I didn't let you out? I was down to fight. Did you fight? No, I didn't fight to get out. But this is the crazy shit. So after he threw me on the ground, I'm crying and everything. He told me this shit and it worked. And it worked for me to mentally get out of it. And whoever I talked to, it worked for them too. Wow. What is that? So he told me Bloods and Crips were like the Black Panthers. I don't know if this is true or not, right? He said, the Crips stand for community of resourceful, independent people. And the Bloods were black leaders of our own destiny. And that we were like the Black Panthers. We provide jobs and protection from police and food if you need it and shelter, whatever, you know. And I was like, what? So yeah, we all used to stick together. He said, y'all got infiltrated by a Jaguar Hoover. This is what he told me. Wow. And y'all went to jail. We went to jail just to the police and just a bunch of black people. So they started fighting. Oh, you snatched on that. So what are they fighting? And so they said, okay. The people that we bust from the Blood, whatever that is Blood, put them in red jumpsuits and then the Crips put them in blue jumpsuits. So you wear bandanas and all of which your color is on. So when you get out of jail, you got Crips. Like you got 18 streets of Crips, rolling twins where I was from, it's Bloods, rolling 30 Crips, 40 Hustlers, five dudes brand, that's Bloods, 60 Crips. So it's just, if you look at a street in the map, it's not like a whole group of Crips here and Bloods there, they're like every couple of blocks is a different site. And he said, that's why you got different sets because they got out of jail and that's where they lived. And then they were mad because whatever, going to jail destroys your family. So now you're mad, so now you're wanna beat up people and then turn the escalator to shooting. So now the Crips and Bloods are at each other. That's so crazy because division, that's just really what I've seen, is that if you put, you see Blacks fighting against Blacks right now. You know what I mean? And we always ask, how can we bring our communities together? Why are we fighting against each other? Even some of these OG Crips or Bloods or whatever. Yeah, you have a lot of these because it's everywhere, it's not only in LA. That's spread all over the world right now. And the most active people in these organizations are the kids. And those are the ones who are getting killed. You know what I mean? The older ones are sitting back chilling because they did their time and they're like, yeah, you know, whatever. No, they got little dudes that run and do whatever crime the OG won't do. Right. Hey man, go and such and such as all they're balling, you know, get his dope and his guns and bring it back to me. Let me ask this a bit. When I lived in Vegas, that was banging out here as well. Mm-hmm, let me say that. So it still goes down, right? I got gang banged on in New York. Wow. Really? And they don't even know how gang bang was a 20 of L. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? I think it was a rapper in New York, his little people were Bloods. And their thing is, do you drink milk? And depending on that answer, you're either a Cripper or Blood. Really? So reveal that to me, because I know nothing about that. So in LA, you say, what's that you from? And you say, they get this 30-something Crip Cups, you know what I'm saying? Or, you know, BPS Blackstone Bloods, whatever, right? You say you're set. So being funny, they flew me out there. How did milk come into this? I don't know, I have no idea. So look, they flew me out there to play bass and I'm from South Central, blah, blah, blah. He fucks off the gangster rappers, you know what I'm saying? They expecting me, oh, he's from South Central. And I think one of them asked me, Nori asked me, what are you gonna get? I said, yeah, kind of, this is the Bloods. So I guess he told his boys, oh, we got an OG Blood from West Coast coming out of here. So I get to the studio and it's about 20, 30 kids, 16, 17, whatever, you know what I'm saying? I think I'm late 20s. Okay. Maybe 30. So I'm sitting in there chilling and it's the one of them walks up on me all red rag, hat sideways, the whole gang banged out. Kind of, sorry, but he gotta be 15, 17, whatever, right? He walks up on me, he's like, what's happening, homie? I was like, what's up? Like little man, little boy, you know what I'm saying? He said, do you drink milk? Well, serious as a motherfucker, do you drink milk? I was like, I looked around like, is he joking? Yeah, with my cereal? He said, no, homie, do you drink milk? You know, he bawled up like he bought the firearm. He set up and everything. I said, what is your doing? They said, he's trying to find out if you're a blood. Now I'm a blood, homie. Are you trying to gang bang? I was like, what you trying to do? That's a laugh at me, isn't it? This is the right little motherfucker trying to gang bang. That's what you're doing to me? I said, no, nigga, this is what you do, homie. You have to set you from, nigga. Then you say the wrong thing and you bomb on him. He said, oh shit, okay, all right. I was like, what the fuck is this milk shit about? Y'all got it wrong. Y'all need to read the gang bang. You know what, you know what I'm saying? It's black and yellow, how to gang bang for days. Out of your community streams all of these people from L.A. calls the whole world to be crypts and bloods. In every neighborhood, no, Texas, it's everywhere. Like Louisiana, Shreveport, it's any, when you go up to St. Louis, it's everywhere. Y'all really permeated the world with that. And I say, y'all, because you guys neighborhoods, these guys don't even rep the neighborhood. They just rep the color. It was about a neighborhood as you spoke, but down there, they was doing it wrong. Like, it's like, they just, I like that color and I'm rocking with it and I'll kill you behind it. You know what, I realized that it was, it's like the bringing it to the music was super bad. Because remember Dolores Tucker, everybody was like smashing CDs back in the mid 90s. Yeah, yeah. It was terrible in the end. It was like, oh, we just trying to, yeah, we just trying to, you know, represent our neighborhood. That's what we see, change what we see. We'll rap about something different. And then I went to an outskirts of Chicago and went to, it was a music festival and this three, four white boys walked up, looking like NWA caught, like it was Halloween and shit. They had the Raider hats on and the big black jacket and the Swatmeat, chat khakis and t-shirt and the all white, I forgot the tennis shoes they wear, but looking like NWA. Like you from Cali? Yeah, you know what company is? I'm like, yeah, do we, how do we look? I said, what the fuck is this? Halloween or something? She said, no, no, we try to be, we try to be gangsters. Are we wearing the right or corny ass white? Corny ass little white boys. Right, corny ass. I'm like, are we wearing the right, dude? You know what I'm saying? Like, I said, damn, so you got them on that. Wow. Wow. I was like, oh, that's what they're talking about. We're influenced in place to it. They have no idea about gangs or being hard or what to look like or even talk like. And now they're watching these videos and wanting to be like them. But I got to do some research to see if what your dad said was true. Because if that's the case, that right there is what all of the Bloods and Crips supposed to be passing on to all the different generations. I speak on what I can. So let them know really where it came from because people are repping something that they don't know nothing about, really, if that's the case. Yeah, because some OGs tell me that Bloods came from Chicago. The Black Disciples started the Bloods, blah, blah, blah, but you know. Yeah, all these different things. Because somebody did a documentary in Dallas not too long ago talking about Bloods and Crips and where it started. And it came to Fort Worth and all of that stuff. And yeah, because a lot of the killing and all of that sort of stuff. So they did a documentary on that. But what I, you have on, is that Lokes? You have one? Yeah, I got on Lokes. That's also a thing of California. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what I'm saying. What's that about? But this, I'm wearing these as a favorite to one of my friends. I always promote black stuff. So I got my brother's stuff that's positive. Positive, hey, positive wear, I stopped playing. Yeah, I love positive wear. And so, this guy named Percy worked side by side with Snoop Dogg. Wow. So I don't know if you can, I don't know what sign it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it. You can pause or whatever. Yeah, I see the pause. So this is their brand of sunglasses. Wow, so you always give it back. I'm always promoting. You always give it back. So what's gonna do it? Who else gonna do it? So it's not me. So is that Lokes or is that his brand? So these are, these are his brand. Of Lokes, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but the style is Lokes. The style is Lokes. Right, oh, check it, man. Check it, man. Yeah, it's just a little bit different. But one, I do wanna touch on something before we get off is, oh, sorry. You were telling me earlier about the movement to help bring awareness to diabetes. Tell me about that. In 2005, I had built a studio in my backyard and people would just like brothers would come hang out every day before they went doing whatever. We were all complaining about the same things, but I was the only one that had health insurance. Wow. Because a lot of people who were seven-employed don't have health insurance. It costs like $700 a month. So I had health insurance and that's like, I just got a physical just cause I'm paying all this money, you know, what can I do, you know what I'm saying? And I go get a physical. So I got a physical, finally I had diabetes. Wow. And so I told seven brothers to come complain about the same something. I said, those are diabetic symptoms. You're feeding them, you're tired, you piss like crazy. And then you drink like crazy. And then you piss like crazy. And then you drink like crazy, right? And so it was like. So it wasn't a weight gain. It wasn't the light headed. It wasn't any of them. It was a weight gain. I gained 50 pounds, but slowly by gaining 50 pounds. But all those things lead to, but the symptoms that we were all talking about. So I said, I told them, y'all need to be checked out. If y'all got diabetes, man, you're probably gonna, you know, have a diabetic coma. Right. Let me tell you the story when I found out. So I went on a Friday to get a physical, the doctor, the doctor said, oh, well, let you know in two weeks what it's gonna be. The doctor went in on Sunday for some whatever reason and found out my sugar was like five, six hundred. Wow. That's crazy. I didn't know what that meant. I'm making it to all diabetes, right? At that time. So he called me, I was at Kennington Park for my LA folks at a barbecue. He took me about an hour and a half to park on a Sunday. So I just parked smelling the barbecue. I'm looking at the barbecue pit and walking toward it and the doctor called. He's like, look, where you at? I'm like, what's this? This doctor said, what do you have right now? I said, man, I'm at the barbecue, let me call you back. He was like, no. I said, man, why not? He said, because you're gonna have a diabetic coma. What? I heard it was a coma. What? He said, yeah, but I just checked your results. You know, I don't come into the weekend. Go to, what's the nearest pharmacy? It was one on Slawson and over here, though. Go to him right now. My wife was with me and she's walking to the place. I'm here to go. She was like, look, like, why? Like, I was like, I'm about to have a diabetic coma. We house in my car like the Dukes of Hazard. She's just across the hood, we took place out. So anyway, when I tell brothers- I was just getting crap out of you. Yeah, so I told her, I said, man, I'm gonna have a diabetic coma. So all seven went to get checked out for diabetes. Six of them came back and they were diabetic. And they went and went to the hospital period or a doctor there if I wouldn't have said nothing, right? So I felt like I helped save them, you know what I'm saying? And so- But let me- Let me touch you one second on that. How much is having too much sugar in your diet growing up have to do with diabetes? If you're not working out, that's one. You're eating, we eat a lot of sugar that we don't know. We eat Kool-Aid, it's got a cup of sugar in it. We eat macaroni and cheese. The noodles turn into sugar. We eat spaghetti. Anything white turns into sugar. Yeah, we eat birds. All day long. Lies, everything. Hot dogs, all that sugar, right? Then we eat mad candy. Grandma'll give you candy growing up. You just eat mac, ding dongs, twinkies, fruity pebbles, cocoa pebbles, you know what I'm saying? It's sugar diet, that's all we eat in sugar, you know what I'm saying? So you don't work out, after a while it's like beating your body up. And you put sugar in the water, it turns into syrup, right? So your blood's supposed to be real thin, thin in the water for your heart to hit bone and then blood to go all the way down to your feet, come back up. So when it gets thick like syrup, it's slow. Now all your organs get strained, now you're tired. Now you don't wanna work out, now you're getting fat. Now you're sleepy all the time. And then, you know, your body's looking for nutrients and looking for something. So you drink water, then you drink so much you get full, but then you're gonna pee and you pee it all out to empty on eating. You gotta drink it again, cause you're thirsty again. So all these symptoms, right? And so I got diabetes, most diabetics after a while you get fatigued cause you're surrounded by non-diabetics or people who have bad eating habits, unhealthy eating habits. So if I go to dinner with a nice young lady, you know what I'm saying? She might order cheesecake for dessert. I ain't supposed to have it, but you know what I'm saying? It looks all good. They put two spoons on the plates, it's all good. You can get your sugar-free ones. Yeah, but you with people who are not diabetic or don't know the diabetic, they're not getting the sugar-free one, okay? So that kind of environment, then the cigars came out. So I'm smoking and drinking that, really tripping. What does that have to do with diabetes though? It kills you. The smoking clogs your blood, you know what I'm saying? It's not your organs are struggling, not your heart's struggling. That's how you have strokes and heart attacks and all that stuff, right? It affects your eyes. Your eyes have blood supposed to float through them. They get swallowed up and clogged up. Yeah, I cycle bad. It's nothing with diabetes, you know what I'm saying? And so last year, when my mom died in 2018, I was stressed out behind her. We didn't take care of myself. And trying to cope with the stress of her dying, I'm drinking and smoking and partying and working late and not getting no rest, not doing nothing, doing the opposite of what I'm supposed to be doing. So now I'm getting out the results of that bad diet and the bad habits. So last year, I had got an infection. Like when your diabetes is bad, your feet are numb. So you can step on a nail or get bit by a spider and I know it. So you stepped on something? Had an infection. Shit went out of control. So I got two of my toes amputated. Why amputated? At the same time, now I'm going to our doctors to get all fully checked out. I had veins growing crazy about the Christ my retina. They came later because they might hit your resume. Your blunt, you go blind. That's why people diabetic go blind. Yeah. The ice they get bad. And then I started having heart problems. I started feigning. Wow. I walked from the elevators here. I'm out of feigning. By the time I got to that door. Wow. Because my dad had diabetes and he ended up having a quadruple bypass after years. Because the doctor would always tell him, you got to walk, you got to walk, you got to take some weight off. And he did. And even after the quadruple bypass, he probably lasted about four more years. And eventually, you know, yeah. But see, that's what I'm doing right now. There's a website called www.checkyourrisk.org. There are eight questions that you answer. You hide, you wait, you don't have to put your name and email address, none of that stuff. It's all about you saving your life, basically. And the eight questions you answer and then evaluate if you're at risk for diabetes and then go get checked out. And the resources there can have insurance. But then, okay, so how, cause I've heard some people say, well, if you eat right and you don't do it and you work out, take your weight off, you can get off all this medicine. Yeah, if you're pre-diabetic, yes. If you're pre, you're almost there. So if you're number two, like you are. Number two is a lifestyle, but you can be pre-diabetic is almost being type two. Right? But if you're type two. Type one and you're born like that. Type two is lifestyle. So type two, you can't just work out and eat right and get off the medicine. If you're pre-diabetic, if you're almost fully diabetic, you can reverse it. That's why I'm trying to get everybody to go get checked out now, you know what I'm saying? Cause brothers, we don't go to the hospital, unless we have to, we don't go for checkups and you know, whatever, like we're supposed to. Even when we have diabetes, we go, when I found out, cause I was doing it too, I'll go to the doctor just to extend my medicine prescription. I wouldn't go get the full blood work, check out my feet, my eyes, blah, blah, blah. I just go and then you go to CVS, pay $100 and say, hey man, you know, I was on, I was taking this medication, this meeting time is a day. Okay, we did write a prescription here and you go fill it. You got another six months, but you're not getting checked out. So your feet can be getting numb, your eyes can be going bad, your heart can be going bad. You're not getting that checked out. So the campaign right now, I'm getting a lot of friends and family and stuff, just saying check your wrist and go get checked out. You need to get checked out on your own or if you're too lazy to do that, you don't know cause a lot of times we don't know, or we know something's wrong, but we don't know what it is and we won't get it checked out until we have to. You pass, all you pass out, all you lose that diabetic. A lot of people die like that. Like I have friends die and they sleep. Wow. Man, we're pretty sure. 45 years old. Are you, you got to do it? Yeah, I'm done. Okay. We'll appreciate you, man, hanging out with us, man. Man, you got cool, man, you got cool. Hey man, anytime we come to Vegas, we're coming back in six months, we're doing another interview. Check it, man. We're gonna be right here. I might ask some more to talk about. Hey, man. I'm active out here, man. It's about to be my city. Say, man, we love you, man. We thank you for coming on the show, man. Hey, man, it was a pleasure, my pleasure. Man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. Boss.