 Tehne. So, sorry for the technical difficulties. Hi, I'm Davor Kereman, I work for the Office of Public Administration and Justice. This is our background organization under the Hungarian Office of the Prime Minister, basically just a ministry Projektov da se posleovam pravi v poviče,但o ima tudi vse jevsega projekta, naču se priopo frequencies, naredljo na ta organizacije, jim je kaj se好goje z njihovega propoviče. Čevom, da sem pomisla všaj tega, drugimi ročenimi, poplani zako, zame je bil nemevo jazne. Pistim, da je zelo izpravil na to. Pozoraj, je zelo vzela in posledno je so zelo. Zato je razstaj, da je zelo izprvarilo vso vse. Sve je zelo tega teraktorijna, prično se je vse. Zelo je 15-staj, kjer je izprvarila in izprvarila, kjer je to zelo, odstavila in zelo. v stmiti zilENI, kda je.selo tako, kar se jelo nekaj prav, si nekaj nekaj prav, to nekaj prav hrab, da je vse več najnagorodna zArgana, ovo posne, raziljno so, karje danes če dela na rečnih, Hvala. Zato smo bili na zelo, da smo zelo, da smo zelo, da smo zelo, da smo zelo, da smo zelo, da smo zelo. Ne zelo, da so mu zelo, da so mu zelo, da so mu zelo, da so mu zelo. S Mighty Solutions in operation was initially organized on the accounting level, which we have 20. tudi z dvimi noset in z tajimi katakrтikami. Zato sem Sud. Tukaj je zkušel tudi odhlečenimi vzpečenimi plizji, očavek in najšanje, saj je tudi ozengalno. Ne so naredil nekaj tako, a vnoče, jel planecak intratovati, novinno tudi za kroz zelo je zelo vsej komputera, kaj je zelo vsej organizacije. Zelo je nekaj, ki je vsej, kaj je zelo vsej organizacije, in priviti organizacije, ki je zelo vsej, kaj je zelo vsej. Protožitega je dobro, da je vzgleda, da je to vzgleda, da je to vzgleda. Protožitega je dobro, da je 18,000 nekaj destov pistili, nekaj servici, v mojih površtih, printerih, in koncentrujev, prihledaj, nekaj netvorče, komputorih in nekaj in nekaj. Zelo vse igrato, je niske tega, da smo vse zgodili z evovali, ker se tako pričavamo. If we don't get this thing done, we have to pay back the funds. Government doesn't want that to happen. V nekaj različnih različnih, nekaj trebamo vzvečnih indikatorov. Všeč nekaj, je opšina. Vzvečnih različnih različnih različnih različnih. Mezdanje, ki lahko bil in neko, ko je nekaj nekaj? After that, mezdanje je izvakajelo na pravdanje z neko nerovstovatih, played at the core, and as you can see most of this contract was owned by the novel company Or a little partner of them called Novel Professional Services 100 Limited. It's not exactly Novel, but it will happen. So we are deploying their services. And some of these included free software also. We are developing new applications to contractors. These are supposed to have customer service and what not. So the user experience is basically for the citizens. We also need to train employees in the use of these new applications. By the way, these new applications are also free software. Not because the project leadership lost the free software concept much, but the European Union lost it. So they require that anything new or developed newly has to transfer all the rights. Like use, work develop, and so on. So those are free software. So all these are about the uniqueness. So how can free software into the picture? On the servers, we use Shusha Linux Enterprise Server. I will make a video to video. On the right side, we have plans to deploy Shusha Linux Desktop. Plus, we grow this, always the rest of that. Currently 4.4. And also for the videos, why? Because standing on multiple feet is good. It encourages competition. And that should result in cost saving. So that was our basic idea. But all of this is not indicator. So we don't have to present this to the European Union. But we have done this. No, we don't have to do that. So this can be reached if someone wants to. And if decision makers know how we are to support it, they are. I will talk later about why this support has operated. So just a quick detail. It was a successful example of free software deployment. Because it is an indicator to train about 20,000 people in the use of new applications that are being deployed and developed. So it must be done. So project management supports that. And free software is localized. We don't have to pay for it. And there is no need for backwards compatibility. Because we didn't have yet anything like that. So that's our big plus. So it's things that we don't have to worry about. Also it's important that there is local expertise for it available. Because it's somewhat popular among Hungarian higher education. And so there are companies that we could contact to develop education material for the applications. And also to provide help with the Ilya's standard setup. It's a huge software with many options, many settings. We really need someone who knows where to touch it. So it's also a local company. It's able to participate in public procurement, which is advertised in Hungarian. So if, for example, a follower wants to participate in Hungarian language procurement, they would have hard time just to read the team. Also it's possible to have weekly personal meetings. Where management can yell at them. That's also important. So it's good for another sled. But some more famous than me talks about Linux. Still sucks. And it's true. Also it's the hardest small things that don't work. Expectation is not big. It just should work like Windows deep. But file name encoding in zip files is not just like that. I don't really want to go into dense with that, but it doesn't work. It's a small thing, but users complain. What makes users complain? Makes IT users complain, and all of it causes up. Also PDF viewer in sled cannot check or verify digital signatures. Our different project just finished last year. They developed software and a process that digitizes incoming mail from citizens. They scan it, they digitally sign it, and we cannot do anything about that. Well, except for installing Adobe Recrobot 9.5. Very old, very full of security holes, but that's all we have. So it's not very convenient. We have also lots of applications that are essential to operate the organization, and they don't undermine. They are supposed to, but they are not. It just doesn't work. Maybe because there is not a really working economy behind wine. Also some hardware don't work at all, especially papers. We are buying new printers, those are supposed to work, but others are not. We started to use the way it was packaged for sled. That was 4.0, then we upgraded with packages from PDF. Also on Windows, because we don't have really so much money. But project funding is huge, but tests are also very expensive and numerous. So we have to save some money for those tests. Initial decision was to buy those licenses and buy those office licenses. But only the user training part for LibreOffice arrived. That was initiated and it was done, but not against. Like it was not a priority later on in the project. So we have many things to do. Those are indicators, those are priority. This is not. We have not procured support contract, for example, from Collabora or anyone else. That is a problem. We got documents that are falling apart in LibreOffice. What can I do about that? I think support company could. What we have not bought. So there was no assessment of document templates and macros that are used. So we don't really know what are we fighting against. Basically my job in this project was to assess the applications that were inherited from the other organizations. And it's also a zoo, as for the instead. But there was no such assessment for documents. Also convincing the localized leaders, the counting level leaders who are currently responsible for operating the infrastructure of the counting, they were not convinced that this is good, this is necessary, and we really should do that. So basically nothing. So, another detour, EuroOffice. What the hell is that? It's an office product by Mutiracio Kafti, so Hungarian small company. We got two installers from them. One is from rebranded Apache OpenOffice. It was really terrible. We wrote about, I don't know, 20 pages about why it sucks. A little bit later we got a different version, EuroOffice 2050. It was rebranded LibreOffice 4.3, plus the company is specialized in developing custom office extensions. It was not terrible, but they added value in the form of these extensions. It's still minimal, in my opinion. And really there was no third level support for the Sari. They are just not that competent. Actually they are not competent at all. I won't read that. But paid licenses are really necessary for those. Extensions cost about 5-10 euros, the base package 35, but somehow they have good global power. Our CPU set up by its government, we had to use it. I have no idea how did they manage that, but the comment came down from upside even to the CPU. So they have competence if we don't take any areas? In the non-technical areas they are good. I have no idea if it will be procured in the final stages of the project or in the future. I hope it won't. Also there were some expectations for free software. Free means gratis. Maybe the TDFs should stop this word on the homepage. It really makes life hard for everyone it has. It sounds good, but it makes people think unrealistic. Also 100% interoperative. It's just a drone in replacement for Microsoft Office. Isn't it? But it's not. But also marketing likes to save it. Also regressions are not very welcome. We could have bought an RTS race on Collator of someone, but no one asked about why that would be good, why do we have to pay for it. So really there was not much consideration even to this part of the project, because it's not indicators, so we take care of the indicators and everything else is optional. Experience. We also started to use it inside the project. We are mostly the two new starts of which one of them is me. But management uses Macs, because they are Mac fanboys. Very funny over full. So we are using different office suits inside the project, and it gives us constant headaches. But switching everything to ODF is not very practical in our experience. The thing is that to work in the system we have hundreds of applications. They are either custom applications that are implementing in the real world what the legislation factory puts out. So they figure out, they want to create a new registry of citizens and they are doing something like buying a car or something. They are developing a custom software and those software were developed organically. So there were those individual independent organizations and they went in the direction of the smallest opposition to ODF as Windows and we need to work with those. So those applications are producing documents and the data is stored in the database and the document is given to the citizen. Well, surprisingly, a smaller part of those applications are problematic documents that are falling apart. There is some, but most of them are good in this regard. They just don't run on Linux. So this could have been handled, but it was not also. And we also need to interact with the outside world. The government office is an executive body. We are not developing the applications that we use. That's one level higher in the hierarchy. That's usually done by background institutions behind the individual ministries that are on the same level as the project management organization, but not as the same level as the government office. They are one level higher. So we don't really can give them commands to change these applications. Answer to that would be why. In the crystal sense, so no, did not. So it's a very brief project to install Linux in this level of the public administration, but it has some difficulties. So one more thing that kumism decision makers could have been made easier with case studies, written case studies from TDF or anyone else. Maybe I wanted to say that later. So lessons learned. So we might have not understood completely what happened in this project. Well, problem was that the political support was only on one person who started doing the project. But later on, election scheme, government was a little bit reorganized and that person is no longer with us. And political support is no longer with us. That's a problem. We started to think that why not? See where this project leads us. Well, I saw my advice is in such cases you should really abandon ship. No point to stay after such accident happens. So it's not like as a piece of the supporter it's not enough to convince one person somewhere down in the administration it's not enough. Like you can go with Rambo to fight with you and he will solve everything. It doesn't work like that. Another example if we have time, is a different project that went parallel with us. The objective of that project was to unify document finding in the government. Ministries, background organizations, government office everywhere. One solution is enough. But the solution they choose was a thick client for windows. It doesn't really work on their mind so our life was just made a little bit worse. Or harder. Because that's a very good idea a very good argument against Linux. Like government says we need to use that client. It doesn't work online on Linux. There is nothing to do. So another lesson is that the migration protocol that is created by the document foundation is good, it works. Because we did exactly the opposite and it didn't work. So it must be good. But all the mistakes that it says we should not commit, we did. For example we did not really pay attention to comins local IT leaders and turn them to outside. If we would have done that maybe they could have the new leadership to support Linux, because they were already with us but they were not. Also local IT they need to be paid to project stuff. It's not very obvious that you have hundreds of IT people on the field in the organization and they are terribly on that page and if you want them to do something for your project you need to pay them because they are paid to do their everyday job. Project job is overtime. If you don't pay that, you won't get that. Another different another experience is that employees were surprisingly unacceptably open to change. They were so only to get the education in free software. So more lessons interoperability is very important one of the most important things. Also local support company to have on board is also a must. So we have contracted the novel professional services they are very helpful with the deployment of their software. That part of the project is still rocking. They are still on good track to finish on the project before it ends. We did not have that for the office and it's still a certain young state. Another thing is that we need development foundation better support for ISVs. Because we have about 700 applications in their use in these future organizations. And they are made by 100 ISVs. Small Hungarian companies that are specializing in development software for government needs and what not. Also applications from the open market like boxed software. Most of those are doing the basic public administration job. They are storing data about citizens in a certain database of citizens who are doing one thing is one database, another database and the real creating documents that are handed over to citizens. But we cannot or at least I am not very aware of a way to show them how to make the applications output documents in ODF format. Because current documents need to fall apart in LibreOffice. It would be better if we could easily show these companies who are open to such kind of support how to create all the documents that are not falling apart in LibreOffice. So that's all. Questions? But a comment. If your only supporter of leadership a talk was a talk by somebody from the UK government and they had a very clever solution for that. So if you see that there is a political movement in your organization and there is a new headhunning make sure that when you rise that you can do some kind of the thing you are working on make some announcement and put a quote of the new guy in there that he supports it. And then he is politically tied to the continuing movement. Very clever. So they did this when they had political election and then the new guy came in immediately they said what is the latest good thing that happened make a nice press release make it sound neutral but make sure that the general strategy is located and get a quote. And then you are settled. Thank you. Thank you. Anything else? Yes. You mentioned 700 different software. Is any of this software open sourced? Well, some of them. There are some applications that were being developed in the last few years from funding of the European Union and those are basically free software because all the copyright was also procured. So it's not the company's software but the organization's software. So they can theoretically give the further development to a different company. So it's basically free software, some of them. But most of them is not. They are custom software some organization behind the certain ministry can ask the developer to develop it in a different direction like adding ODF support or something. But they are not free software. Yeah, it also was mine. That's not a problem. It's a vertical view. That is a problem. Okay. Anything else? Yes? So what is the current state of that project? Current state. So the project will close at the end of October like a month. And it will probably show that indicators are done and everything else is done. We have like one county IT leader on our side. He made shred used in his country. And also he built this. The others were not so very eager to change. Some of the others were was open to change like two or three. They deployed a little bit. Most of them were the ultra. If we see that it works in other counties, we can switch. If this is the word probable and the two or three were actively complaining that it cannot work. So that was about the situation in the counties. So Vivo has like, I don't know, a thousand or so machines running with shred, with regrowth maybe regrowth will be used on some windows machines but in this regard the project is not a success. In that case don't you install both? If you buy the bike shop, don't you install the regrowth as well? In that case the user have a choice? I don't think so. They will either buy Microsoft or they already have it then they don't switch to regrowth. It's not a project to make regrowth is installed parallel. It's just not a war. So it won't happen. It would be good but it won't happen. So yeah, that's when we are. Okay. Thank you for your attention.