 All right. TrueNAS Scale 2202. And I decided, you know, I was playing around with it. And now, as I mentioned before with my new studio, I can just go live anytime because I'm already at home. I've been doing a lot of things this morning and I'm like, well, I'm going to do a full video on this topic. I will do plenty of TrueNAS videos for core, TrueNAS videos for scale. And for now, though, I just have a lot of testing to do because I don't like to just jump in and do the video when a product first comes out. As a matter of fact, for those of you that have been following my channel for a while, you know that my videos are mostly based on my consulting and deployment and experience in a lot of business scenarios. We do a lot of consulting for TrueNAS. This is, you know, a big enterprise product, whether you believe it or not, we have done so many of these systems that are, well, look at my video, for example, on the petabyte system that was not for a small company, actually quite for a big company. And a lot of these systems we do, as a matter of fact, we just did one the other day that was these are all TrueNAS core systems. Of course, they were all a series of 100 gig interconnects, all flash storage arrays. I mean, we've got to build some really fast systems. Now, we don't have any clients right now running TrueNAS scale. It's too new. It came out like a few days ago. It doesn't mean I'm not excited about it and things like that, but there's a caution I take before I deploy this. And matter of fact, I kind of laughing because I got my first, someone contacting us in other business, they're already having problems and I'm like, I almost want to ask, like, really, you're using this in your production environment? They, cool, whatever. But hey, there's going to be some bugs, going to be some things we're going to discover as people have their scenarios. Because even with the tried and true TrueNAS core, there's still scenarios that come up that require more updates. Not everyone even wants to upgrade when there's a full large release. They wait till there's a couple of point releases after, then they go, okay, I guess it's stable enough to run. And because the majority of what I deal with is business and production stuff, that's where my knowledge comes from. It takes me a little bit longer because I have to kind of do myself learning on here or not running into it in the field as much from regular consulting. That being said, I will give a shout out right away because, yes, TrueCharts is here and we'll go ahead and throw it in the list here if we go to the managed get looks. First thing you do when you load TrueNAS is going to have to load this and throw this in there, you know, because TrueCharts, if you want a good list of applications, that's where it is right here. And it's morning, so you have, I got my tea with me. I did, I brought this cup from my office, the kick and chicken cup, so. Anyways, the big change, and we'll start with what are the major differences here with this and why so many people are excited, especially you're going to get a lot more homelab people excited about this product. This is people as well. I mean, there's some, when Gluster gets more production ready, it's going to be a big topic in here for your scale-out architecture. So definitely fill in a market gap there that's got business target. But the things, of course, that is huge in the homelab is, homelabbers don't necessarily have the room for 20 servers. Some of them do, I'm not saying all of them, but they are looking at ways to build a efficient server to do all the things. And they've done a good job, and this is why I have TrueCharts pulled up right here and why it's going to be a really popular app is with the TrueCharts is all the extra applications you get with this. So, oh cool, this is, let me see if this launched. Hey, yes, it worked. I was just deploying it before the live stream. I didn't know if it'd be done before or after, but so at least one thing is in there, evidence, allow access without password. Yeah, we know. So we'll go ahead and leave all that there. I'm not worried about syncing. We should probably change over that screen, but nonetheless, it's working. I launched the application and went to that window. It just says I don't have a password set because I don't have a password set, but it let me log in. So at least that part works. I was able to deploy an application on here, but back to storage efficiency and efficiency of your servers. This is what's going to make TrueChart really popular amongst the homelab people is the fact that there's so many systems that people want to put on there, all these different systems applications, people want to put on here and they have a really nice catalog. Now, there's nothing wrong with the free BSD jail system and TrueNAS course based on BSD, TrueNAS scales based on Debian, but as many people know, there are more applications actively maintained for Debian that work in these different containers. So the containerization system we're using allows just, I mean, the list here is pretty substantial and this is what a lot of people are going to be really excited for. But let's cover a first, a few things. I already see someone asking the question right here. Do you ever, do you think I should switch to scale in production servers? Yes. So it's pointing out there's a lot wrong with the plugin system in Core 2. Yeah, it's imperfect. But let's talk about production systems first. And one of the reasons I'm running a demo system right here, matter of fact, I should probably just pull this up so people can see the difference. And I'm not trying to dog on a new product. We're going to say, let me just get this pulled up. I'm not trying to dog on this product, but I will point out why I'm not running it in production and why I tried. It's not that I didn't try running it in production. It's the, oops, I hit stop. So Chrome tab. And it's this right here. Performance regression. And this is regression from the, going from TrueNAS release candidate scale to full release of scale. And people see performance regressions. I went from core and this is my, these are my performance numbers, just some basic testing. And I had pointed this out before when I did my testing, when I was comparing the two products, I couldn't get the same performance. And now that it's in full release and I didn't do extensive testing, I only tested one system. And I noted that here. This is not scientific. This is one system, but I will say the one system I tested was a, and we'll log into it real quick to show you the system I was doing the testing on. Pop into this system here and we'll switch screens real quick. This is the production problem I have with it right now. So we're going to share this to have instead. This is my one I'm using here. This is a TrueNAS mini. So this is absolutely a, you know, genuine IX systems device, very compatible, works wonderful. We have 64 gigs of RAM in this. We have an all flash storage array. So these are all flash drives, you know, plenty of free space on here. I'm using like three terabytes right now on this particular system. All these drives are high performance flash drives. They're the Micron 5210. So this is a good system. This is plenty of memory, good amount of cores. What processor is in this? It's not the super fast processor, but it's a C3758 at 2.2 gigahertz. So not, it's not a dog. So let's go back over here and this is my performance I get into TrueNAS Core. So here's my sequential writes. This is over ice because he specifically sequential writes, sequential reads over there. They're in some cases here, especially with the right speeds. I go from, well, the read speeds too. I go from 1185 all the way down to 258. I go from 935. And these are over five iterations. So I, you know, five times one gig all the way down to here. And it gets worse and worse. So your random 4K goes all the way down. I mean, I'm getting seven on the right. I ran this test multiple times. The numbers were consistent. And then I flipped it back over and all these performance numbers came back. So do you run it in production? It depends on how much you need speed for this particular system until it can be unraveled. And the other person was further in this report was talking about, hey, here's all my performance losses going from RC2 to release. And they lost performance. Not as much performance as I lost, but they were specifically testing scale versus scale. But so far scale versus core, it doesn't seem to be at the same performance level. So until it's at the same performance level, or at least very close to it. I mean, I can sacrifice some performance, but I got some more machines to test on it and figure out where they're at with it. And there's plenty of discussion. You can, this is all public in the forums trying to get different things tuned on here to see where they are. So I have a few machines I'm building in my office that are going to be dedicated towards testing the performance differences between load the system with core, test performance, load it with scale. Because this is something people want to know. But this is definitely a hangup for me when it comes to production. Because I can't, especially at that much of a loss, I can't, that's not an acceptable performance loss for me, for this particular system. Now, this is another system I have loaded with scale over here. This is one of our lab systems. I didn't even do any performance testing because the performance is terrible on this machine. This is just something we had kicking around the office, but I just wanted to keep testing all the other features inside of scale as well. So let me see what other questions people had now that my rant is over. Scale release basically abbreviates when it comes to apps and performance. Yes. If I need an SOS, then I'd stay with core. So here's the thing. It's one of the things that... Ooh, we just put extra early updates so you can easily showcase the update in a system in a minute or five. Okay. Oh, for syncing, that is cool. Both are free. Both are open source. TrueNAS scale and TrueNAS core are free and open source. The 22 release installer had errors immediately upgrade. Instead, it had a downgraders was worrying for a proper release. Now, that was just a repository check. That's a really minor problem. Yes. Scale does not run Docker. It runs Kubernetes with an underlying Docker image. If it doesn't come up the best way is a reboot. However, please remember to wait 30 minutes after a reboot. Oh, interesting. Question. Since core is based on free BSD and scales, it's too difficult to migrate. What about VMs and plugins and solve them from scratch? Yeah, we'll get to that in a second. So the performance issues are going to be whether or not you decide if you want to use this as your main system. That's something you have to consider. The production use. Let's talk the business consulting stuff, the businesses we do and manage. They're probably not going to go to scale for a little while because they're using this most frequently as a performance storage system for either connected to Active Directory to serve like one of our clients is like, I can't remember the number of users, I can't remember the ones with the 100 gig full flash system. They use it as a hypervisor storage, whether it's XCPNG, ESXi, those are the two popular ones we see a lot of. So I would say if those are your use cases, stay with core. Come back over to the homelab world. If you are looking to have lots of applications, play with Kubernetes and everything else, I think scales pretty fun for that. You're just not going to get the top notch performance out of it. So it kind of comes down to what do you need. Migration path. Oh, man. So migration. That's a whole different problem. Oh, look, interesting update available. 2202. Oh, there's, is there a point? Okay. So weird that this thing, this is not. So I said, I got the same error on this one. They're still giving that error. Anyways, migration. You can migrate your shares, your NFS mounts, your Samba and your ice guzzie from true NAS core to true NAS scale. I've got an in place upgrade video and it still holds true. Even though I did it with the beta, this still works with the system. You can take the config file. What you cannot do is your virtual machines and your containerization. The ones, the VMs from true NAS core and the virtualization, not translation, but the containers, the containers are built in IO cage on true NAS core. There is no way to import them. They are not compatible. End of story. There is not a migration path. There is simply, hey, backup whatever configs, reload the application and put your configuration back in. They're all 100% manual. I have not seen anyone trying to write something that bridges configs from one application to another. But most applications will say sync things. That's when I was playing with most applications do have the ability to backup their configuration. So just go into true NAS scale. If you want to switch to it, you load that application again and restore it. For example, if you're running a unified controller, if you had it set up in core and you want it there, just back up your unified controller configuration, load unified controller into NAS scale and now it can work. So there's not any direct migration path. So yeah, that's going to hang up some people for sure. That's interesting. There's sometimes some flakiness in many apps than reboots. So 30 minutes at least guarantee the actual real problem and not just launch delays. That's interesting. True charts. I knew about the communities. However, I keep getting your Docker service not running. Interesting. Yeah, there's going to be some bugs. I see people just kind of going through some of the problems in here. How to mount a couple different data sets in sync to sync thing in scale. Yeah, good question. I don't know yet. That's going to require. Let me even see if I can add a folder and if it sees it so don't sync data. Hey, that worked. So I do have one mounted on there. I just went through the wizard when I went through the wizard for applications, we're going to go back over to apps. Can we edit it? There's an edit. Where is it at? Is it down here? There we go. Host path, mount path. So I do have it mounted right here. So when you're setting it up, I already had a. The wizard lets you do this and does it let you edit this? Yeah, you can just add more storage. So I added the storage space to it. Seen to work. I know I don't have the permissions set, so let me set the permissions on that storage. Now I'm not going to do it the right way because I don't know what the user needs to be. So we're just going to go ahead and view permissions. And we're just going to let it have full. Read, write permissions in there. Group apps. Okay. Save permissions. We're going back over here to share this tab. Add folder. Let's see. Best data. See if that works. Save. Yep. So that gave me read, write permission in there. So that worked. I just used the wizard when I deployed it. So I didn't really have any issues. How did you get syncing on SickGale? Really easy. Went over to apps. Matter of fact, we can probably even install more than one copy of it. Install. I'm not going to install all of it. And you just run through the wizard. And actually hold on. I'm sharing the wrong tab again. So you go over here to the applications. Go over here to. I filtered for it. I mean, this is the whole list of application. If you type sync thing, sync. You spell sync thing, right? It'll pull up. Sync thing. Go to install. And there's the whole list of where you go through and next, next, next. I left everything at default except for storage. Where storage we added some storage. So there's simple as that. So not a problem there for doing storage. Are you able to pass through a video card to a Windows VM? Now, this is another thing that they are working on and works as far as I know. I didn't watch it yet. Jeff from Craft Computing just did a video on virtualization. I think he covered some pass through with it. But really simple. So did Radial. Watch Radial's video on this as well. We'll go Windows. I've had this happen a couple of times. There we go. You choose one thing and it just pauses. I think it might just be because this is not a particularly fast computer. Next. We'll leave that all at default. Next. Next. Next GPU. I don't have much of a GPU in this particular system. But there you go. Now you can see that you can choose a GPU. So they do have this as an option. I don't know how good it works. I know it exists. So you do have the ability to do pass through on this. This is easier to do than it was in core. But you got to remember back to what I said earlier in a video when it came to or when it comes to most of my consulting work we do with this production business environments don't I mean I can think of zero of as much consulting as we do on a zero that are actually running VMs. It's this is really and this is a broader thing. This goes for core and scale. This is going to question is going to come up a lot. I'm going to make sure when I do my more concise video on this not just this live stream. I will say what true nascale is not ideal for if you are running some advanced hypervisor such as XC PNG proxmox ESXI this is not a replacement for it. This simply isn't this has virtualization. This does not have advanced levels of it. So do you need to run a couple virtual machine? Sure. Do you use this instead to replace your proxmox server? Not really. I don't see it as that. It's not where they're targeting. They're a storage server that has some extras but I don't see it as their primary focus. They just happen to be storage first but we also have some virtualization versus you take something like XC PNG or proxmox they have storage but really focused on virtualization. So it's about where the priorities of the company are. So there's a pretty big difference between the two of them on there. So that's that's kind of how I see it. So yes, it has the pass through. No, it's not a replacement for there. Is running true nascale single drive really pointless? I would say pretty much yes, but if you just want to learn, no, I mean run it was you can learn with one drive but it kind of the point of most rate of raises to create a resiliency across a series of drives with all of your data from homeland aspect. Have you doubled in the hypervisor part of scale much VMware guy at work but interested knowing your thoughts on the hypervisor. Hopefully I just answered it because I think you asked that question before I was talking about that it's a storage server with a hypervisor added on. Anyone have an issue with constellation hard drives. I don't think you would from believer the application serving should be separate from storage serving. This really depends. I see like from a business case. Absolutely. I mean there's a reason why we build these large arrays of very high end resilient machines and everything else and the high availability business world for home users. Yeah, you don't need that level of separation. You can end up using both of them much the same. I think it's a good sense to you know from a home user or someone trying to consolidate things. I mean I do run jails on my personal true. I run syncing on my business ones but my personal one runs, you know, I run a few jails on there. The matter of fact here if we jump over and I I'll actually bring up something that I probably should have brought up earlier too is that he is unable to this is my free NAS mini. I have this is an actual I X system system as well but I have a couple of jails running. I have syncing deluge so I can you know seed all the different isos that are out there for Linux of course but the reason the one challenge you'll have is this right here if it's legacy encryption this is legacy BSD encryption I can't switch this system until I reformat these drives if you're using the old and I've had the system such a long time it's been in use for years if you have a system that was built with the legacy encryption the G. L. I. key encryption no you cannot convert this because this is why I do the more concise videos not just the live stream because I usually have a checklist of things I make sure people are aware of on there so nonetheless that's just something else to consider in there are both scale and core find a work with SSDs versus 8G yes NFS works with SSDs perfectly fine problem of the jail system is there only updated versus the jails themselves so the jails are part of and we'll go over here the plugins you get an index of these pulled but the base isn't actually where we go to the jails themselves this base release it is based on the updates of TrueNAS but I think there's ways around it where you can still pull it on there but the plugins themselves actually come from indexes right here you have the community ones and you have the I. so this can allow for plugin updates separate from OS updates I would expect to be the same level of VMware I agree for storage for me but then benefits running a few VMs in place yeah does the pool compression make much of a difference on a file server music film videos now so many things that you do are already compressed and if they're already compressed then the answer is going to be it's not going to make a huge difference so right here's the compression stuff so it turns out my son's steam library on this particular system does have some compression to it and some of the stuff in I. okay just a lot of repeated so there's a huge compression gain right here your compression gains are directly related to the type of storage you're using so it's in this one yeah none of these things have a ton of storage well same thing the I. the applications one in here has a lot of compression so it's going to vary from system to system it's helpful to have the compression on there leave it on it's on by default so leave that on for the compression need to look at AD integration scale at some point so yeah I don't know how good the AD integration is once again as I said earlier I don't have any production clients running this so the only people running active directory are with core right now so I don't know anyone well I've had people who have not done any consulting or hands on with TrueNAS scale and AD that's actually what this service eventually going to be is connected to that and we're going to do this one right here as you can kind of see there's a processor in this thing this is an old AMD FX six core processor with eight gigs of RAM this is not a performance system at all and yeah that's so this is going to be more for like testing out a bunch of things way less than performance stuff I've seen a bit of core scale migration but it's even gone from scale from scale to core does that work is there any ZFS and compatibility going the other way yes if you're running what if you do the upgrade and it says hey would you like to update your version of ZFS you can't go backwards then so if you build something new with scale you can't go backwards to core if you built it with the new build the pool with scale you know from scratch you're going to end up with a new version of ZFS and here is someone else confirming the same things I've seen that you're not seeing the performance and that's that's huge I mean and it takes time to squeeze performance out of a system Trenes core has years and years and years not just versions but years of the team tuning it to get the most performance out of it they just they've been doing it long time so therefore you're going to get better performance on a core still what do you think about setting up core as a cluster is it only possible a cluster does it have to be clusters ZFS or NFS volume how can I mount my hypervisor they are working on building in cluster into scale there is not any that I'm aware of clustering available with the free BSD true to ask you could though do clustering probably with something like I think minio supports it so you could probably load minio on there but natively built into the free BSD true to ask core there is no clustering built in have you tried embedded collaborate server plugin with next cloud scale I'm hoping it does work well out of the box it might be something I haven't tested at all I've only loaded sync thing on here so I have got an issue with next cloud I'm pulling lots of sub folders it says not a number processing won't fade away any idea nope I have not really dove into I don't use and I don't have any clients currently using any next cloud in production and I don't use it so Jay from learn Linux TV did a next cloud video but if you're having problems that are cloud, because this is a really common question, of course, available applications. And I know it's getting better. So current, so we got next cloud, the official one is here. So let's go ahead and say next cloud. Where's the version? I just want to know the, I'm looking for the latest release. Share this tab. So next cloud 2302 is available. And what is the version in here? This is, let's see how far off it is. 2302, awesome. That's back over to here. So that's the one thing they're getting better at is, now we have the same, or at least more recent versions. So this is 23021, or is it? I'm a little confused by this. Which version am I installing here? Hmm. So this is February 15th, 2302. That's the latest, but what version gets installed in here? Oh, it logged me out. Let's me share that one. Share this tab. Yeah, that happens sometimes. This is something I've noted. If I, if you play around and click around in the apps, sometimes the system pauses and gives me a blank screen and logs me out. So give me a moment and we'll see if it, if true, Nassal, let me back in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exit page. You guys can't see it. It just crashed, it crashed the page. So we will reshare that. The page locked up and gave the chrome error. I've had that happen. I don't know how often it happens, but it's more than once. And let's share the screen back out. So we're back showing what I'm doing. There we go. And now we're back. But yeah, keeping, making sure that they're both on the right version is going to be a big problem. I have a video already on true Nass versus Synology and scale doesn't really change that much. Synology has a different set of apps that are available. And Synology, I'm a big true Nass fan, but I like Synology too. So I have a whole video where I just break down the comparison of the two of them. I don't think there's anything in that video, even though it's from about a year ago now, maybe I'll make a new one. Because I think, you know, some things have changed DSM7, True Nass offer scale and core now. There's, watch that video because I break it down with all the details. Has anyone tested ZFS Linux with ZFS BSD? I think Veronica has some videos on it, or I'm sorry, videos, demos on it, but I don't know if there's any substantial differences because now they're all on open ZFS. Yeah, system shows an update from scale 22.0 to 22.0 to release. Yes, I don't know why this was freshly loaded. So yes, it does show that. I don't, we can try and see if it breaks. This could end this live stream, which I can't download touching data. Let's see what it does. Hey, this is what live streams are all about. Yeah. Okay, this is still that empty update bug is still didn't do anything. Where do you store this machine or is the CPU temperature broken? Got it down to eight degrees. That's interesting. You're not wrong. So that's a, yeah, this, this machine must be in a refrigerator somewhere. I don't think it's that cold at my, at my office where this machine is. I could be wrong. Maybe it's really cold there. I assume dev time is currently split between core and scale. Core will be moving to BSD 13, 13 soon. Yes. There, I just tweeted about this the other day. There's TrueNAS core. Let me find the link because I'm going to share it. Yep, I'm going to be playing with 13 beta soon. So yes, updated open ZFS 2.1. Does it say the BSD version in here? I'm pretty sure they're updating the BSD version to the same. But yeah, I'm excited to start playing with the TrueNAS beta. So that's, that's definitely on its way. One's based on BSD. One's based on Debian. So which one you want to start with kind of depends on where you're more comfortable. I have videos on core. You may find more documentation for core. So it may be better to start with core. But if you have a need for more applications and scale might be a better place to start. Any plan features for Terp plugins that will do simple client-side encrypted backups? That's a good question. I have to look through that list and the people at TrueCharts is going to have to, the problem is there's not, there's not a lot of great free solid applications that are open source out there. There's mostly paid applications that do the backups. Like Veeam is a popular use case with TrueNAS. It's just not natively built in, but actually, I don't know if you can use it in scale. Do they have an app for it? But you, you know, Veeam is a really popular one. I think it's a Cigar backup. That one's actually in here. So let's go over to the plugins and this is actually over here. Yeah, this, this tab here, there we go. Zoom in a little bit. But there's like a Cigar backup is popular. There's, there's backups, there's commercial paid, but not included. I don't know. The problem is, and this is a good question, when you're developing a software and TrueNAS develops the TrueNAS platform and specifically IX systems, I should say, do they get into writing backup software? And it's way outside of their core competency unless they hire people to do it versus, you know, other tools such as Synology. The Synology people built the hardware and build the backup program. So it's a different, they've been doing it for a long time. That's why it's got that built in. Hence why I have a video that compares Synology and TrueNAS. Let's see. A lot of questions. Let me catch up with them all here. Do you have concerns that their valuable scale and core products will not have the required focus? Nope. They have a big team. So I actually don't worry about this with IX systems. They have a really big team. So I believe they are skilled enough to handle more than one product. By the way, there's a huge amount of code that's reused. The middleware for the two products has a lot of the same code. That's one of the reasons like the changes that came to TrueNAS core were to modularize the middleware. If you read through the ad, I talked about this when they first announced scale, they modularized parts of it so you can have the underlying operating system be swapped out. That's kind of their ultimate vision. As I understand it, it's to be able to have a more modular middleware. The middleware is what you interact with in the webinar phase. And the back end then can be pluggable to different stuff. So you can have a free BSD back end. You can have a Debian back end, but you get a very, if you notice the interfaces, although different, are very similar overall. So I don't think it's impossible for them to keep doing both. What is the likelihood of data loss if you migrate? Always potential for data loss when you're changing operating systems. I mean, I haven't had any data loss, both migrating from core to scale and reverting back. But I'm careful when I do it. If you goof up, if you click the wrong things, you accidentally clear your drives or something is possible. Always backup. RAID is not a backup. RAID is resiliency. But RAID cannot protect you from the oops factor that may occur when you're switching operating systems. Is there a way to allow another user other than root to management for TrueNAS? No, there's not at this time. I'm not aware of any way to do it. CPU temperature has been broken since I used TrueNAS. It's not compatible with everything. You're not wrong. There's always been CPU reporting bugs for temperature. I have TrueNAS core. The second one is a backup for the first one. We're likely to run a scale for a backup. Does replication work the same way? Yes, you can use replication between versions. So far as I know, I didn't test it now, but I tested it back when it was released candidate. I was able to replicate between different versions. But that I know of, there's no compatibility issues doing it. Matter of fact, we can actually test that really quick. So we can go here with this URL, and we're going to go back over to my system. We'll go to task, replication, add. Trying to think of something small. We'll just backup the logs. Destination on a different system. Create new. Generate new. Create connection. And there we go. They're able to talk to each other. They're able to replicate between each other. So you shouldn't have any problems doing replication. They're both based on this. Like I said, so much of the middleware is the same that even the wizard here was able to reach out and talk to this system. And you can see all the different things on it. So you should be able to replicate between them. I exist and to make a debate for the apps themselves, just not in the GUI yet. Oh, that's cool that they built that data protection dashboard is fire. Scrub tasks, cloud sync, our sync smart. These are the same. They're in different locations. I like that they named it data protection. But if you go over here and you go to your different tasks here, you have the same tasks, cloud sync tasks. You know, you can go in here and set up your cloud sync tasks, your our sync tasks. The same things are in here. There's your replication tasks. They're still in the core. And then this is back over to scale. They're in here over there. I like that they call it data protection, but that functionality is in both systems. Nope, RAID does not protect against those type of errors. You're right. Human errors is just, yes. For sure. Automated snapshots are possible. Yes. You know, I didn't look, but I think the snapshots, cloud sync, those here, they moved them here. That's the one thing when you go back and forth between all I got to remember where different things are. Yeah, snapshots are here. Actually, where are the automated snapshots? If we add, there's my manual ones. Is the manual? Yeah, okay, they're right here. Here's the automated snapshots. I just overlooked them. So, of note, this is something that's important that someone may have a problem with. Let me find another, wait, let me close down some of these tabs. Open up a new tab that we'll share something with. The S3 system, this is actually something that people messed up in the previous versions because there's an update to how MinIO works. So, MinIO in Churnass scale and Churnass core is what manages and we'll go over here to system. Services. We're going to look at the S3. When you're setting up these S3 tests, S3 tests, password, where it goes, TLS server, URL. This is important. You have to create a certificate and you have to have the right names for the certificate in here. You can't, well, I imagine there's probably some way to do it, but you just have to do some renaming, but I recommend creating your own certificate. And if you're using a self-signed certificate, that also means, and we're going to go over here to credentials, we're going to go to certificates. First, you have to create your own certificate authority. Look at this. Tom created his own certificate authority called LTS. Very official. Then we have the certificate. We have the Churnass certificate, but then we have this. And please note, look at the alternative names in here. Yes, you need an alternative name when you create your certificate if you're using self-signed. I'm going to do a separate video on how to fix the MinIO issues in the S3, but there are definitely some things. And this is not just a scale issue. This is scale and core. Both have to have proper certificates set up in order to get MinIO working properly. So I will probably do that in a separate video because there's definitely some confusion around that. I moved to core for a couple of reasons. Basically, interested in tech, but mainly because I got fed up with QNAPs, lack of security from the look of things. I did a rant video on that. I don't usually, I'm not a person who likes to rant, but I couldn't help the number of people to ask me about QNAP and my thoughts on it. So I put a video together so I can reply every time I said, what's your thoughts on QNAP? These are my thoughts on QNAP. I was going to use the QNAP as a backup, but decided to try Backblaze as support let's encrypt. Why would you need Backblaze and let's encrypt? I don't understand the question. Share this tab instead. So S3 works, NFS works, Samba works, all those things at least functionally are working. Of note, when you're doing the NFS mounts, so if we go here to shares and we look at the NFS, you definitely need to go to the advanced options and do the map all user. If you don't do that, the NFS doesn't work. So for those of you that are testing with NFS on this, oh, let's encrypt a separate question. I don't use let's encrypt with my NAS because my NAS is never publicly exposed. So I don't, it's got it in there, I think. So if you have certain things you're publicly exposing, I bet they probably have, they have it in core, they probably have it in here too. So is it under, I don't know where it's at in here. So credentials, 2FA, directory services, let's try under general advanced boot shell. Don't see it there. Someone's probably yelling at the screen right now saying, Tom, look under here. Oh, right here. Acme DNS authenticator. So yes, you can use, I know it works in core, but it looks like they have it in here. If I had to guess, they support Cloudflare, oh, route. No, this is very limited. So DNS authenticator, you can use Cloudflare or Route 53. That's limiting. And I don't see specifically let's encrypt in here. So I don't know where let's encrypt is in scale. I'm not saying it doesn't have it. I'm saying Tom doesn't know where it is. It takes some time. It's not very user friendly to set up let's encrypt on scale. I don't really use let's encrypt on my NAS systems. So I mean, I'm not saying that you shouldn't, but I generally speaking think NAS exposure to the internet is a bad idea. NAS is storage. If you have an application on your NAS, you'd like to forward. I usually recommend like a proxy that you'll run in between. I have videos on HA proxy. And other people have videos on using other proxies out there. So putting a proxy in between is probably better. You're using self sign search in your web UI. Yes, I am. That is correct. And if I wasn't using self sign search, like for, you know, production environment systems, I would just use a proxy in their search. Check the IX systems. You just go in their forms. They have a whole roadmap for where they're going with things. What is your preferred way to access pools from outside network? VPN. I'm a huge believer. I've talked about this on many occasions. I have a whole video about like setting up home firewall rules and I even point out that I have zero port forwards because I use VPNs. I just don't like publicly exposing things because I care about security. But people go, but I want it to be super convenient, Tom. And I mean, WireGuard? WireGuard works beautifully on, I don't know if I can really show here. Let me see. I can pretty sure this. I temporarily remove it. I mean, there's a WireGuard on Tom's phone. Come on. There we go. And watch how fast it connects. It's like slide. Come on. There we go. But it's, as soon as you slide it, it's on. So yeah, it's, what are those things? Like, if I want to access my home from my phone, I slide the WireGuard button. I think it takes all of, I don't know, it turns blue and connects almost instantaneously. So use VPN. Quit exposing. I posted this on Twitter today. Quit exposing management interfaces. This is where most people find themselves in security problems. Is zero cheer back? I don't know. I'm not sure. Hey, thank you very much for the donation there, Calvin. Much appreciated. 100% VPN. Can you synchronize files using replication the same way sync thing? No. Replication is a backup methodology that works at a block level inside of ZFS. It is not for file synchronization. It is not a synchronization tool. It is source and destination, not synchronization. Oh, luckily when I clicked on it, yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't see it because it was blurred. Not too worried about it. Open VPN, auto connect on boot. I use just WireGuard. WireGuard seems to be really, really good on my phone. Hey, no problem. Much appreciated, Calvin. Yeah, it was, I did touch it so it would have showed for a moment that, but I don't think it doesn't show the private secrets anyway. So I'm not too worried about it. Public key. It only shows public key, not private key. Yeah, if someone were to figure out how to get that blurry image of me holding my phone on WireGuard, you'd know my public key for WireGuard, but I'm not worried about it. So waking up to a Saturday stream, good start for the weekend. We'll go with that. I agree. I figured why not stream? I have until, I look over my shoulder because I'm waiting for my wife to get home. When my wife gets home, we got to go somewhere. So the stream is, until my wife gets home. That's how long the stream is going to last for those of you wondering. She's supposed to be home around 11. So that's, that's what we set the timer to be on this stream. Enhance. Still only old, like V2 because iOS allows on-demand VPN that way. Yeah. What's the going to, what will be the recommended way to share between containers? I don't know. These are things that it's, it's a whole new platform. So I'm going to have to dive deep and do videos on that and, and break it down. It's, there's not an answer yet. I mean, there's an answer. I'm, there's not an answer from me. We'll just say it that way. Eventually, you know, there'll be answers on all these things, but for now, I don't know that there's, it's going to take a while to get the documentation caught up. And by the way, a lot of my answers come from me, I RT FM, because I actually had someone say that, hey, Tom, you just read the manuals a lot and do videos. I'm like, yeah, you figured out my secret. I mean, sometimes I'm the one creating some of the documentation too. I don't mind creating documentation, but oh, do you expect ubiquity to add wire guard? I'm not going to hold my breath on it. They don't even have open VPN and it's 2022. So they don't even have the most common way users access things. So yeah, I'm not going to get off topic on ubiquity, but whatever. How easy to replace HD pools prior to hardware failures? I haven't tried it in scale, but it's easy. I have a video on how to replace hard drives and core. I'd imagine replacing them in scale is much the same. Probably go to storage, disk, edit. That's not where you do it. Is there an action item that comes up? Edit disk. Nope, not there. I just got to figure out where all the things are. Back over to storage, import disk. Okay, there's the import options. Let's go back over. Is it here? Quotas, snapshots, status. There we go. Replace. There's how we replace a drive. So it's not too hard to do. There's replace disk SDC with member disk SDA. That's where replace disk is. So no, it's not hard to do in here. I don't know if it's easier. I know it's complicated to use VLANs and core. That's why I had to do a dedicated video about how to use VLANs with the JL system and VSD because it requires to make it work right. Seems like jumping through hoops, because it kind of is. I don't know if the networking in scale is easier or harder. I have to do another video and dive into it. Ah, there we go. This is something true. Everyone has their own opinion on what hyperconvergence means. Yes, hyperconvergence is a buzzword we put on webinars to get people to attend and then everyone preaches about their version of it. It's kind of like how everyone preaches about their version of what SD-WAN is. SD-WAN covers a broad topic. So it's a great topic for webinars where each vendor trying to sell you on a product tells you their SD-WAN solution is what SD-WAN really is. And it's always the future. The future is our SD-WAN. The future is hyperconverged with SD-WAN. We can probably squeeze a lot of buzzwords together with this. This is a great question. Three servers for HA, why not? Two. This is actually a math question. Split brain, HA, pull this up. So this is why, and this is a good question. Split brain is a computer term based on the analogy of medical split brain syndrome. It indicates the data availability or inconsistency originating from the maintenance of two separate datasets that's an overlap in scope. Either because servers are network design, a failure condition based on servers not communicating, synchronizing their data to each other. The last is also commonly referred to as a network partition. So this is why you need to have a quorum of three or more to have HA. It's actually a functional problem with this. And it's the high availability in heartbreak, a private network connected with used monitor and health assassination in a cluster. And then they form a quorum to decide whether or not the other system is down. That's, it's kind of to simplify split brain problem in computer science here would be how does the server know the other server is down? They can't talk to each other. But does that mean both of them are up or both of them are down? You need a third-party observer to agree with someone either. It has to, you can't agree with both. It has to agree with one of them. So when you have three systems to always have to form the quorum to agree that one of them is down. So the one that's down may be disconnected, which makes it think the other two are down, but the other two know better because they are able to talk to each other and go, Nope, we're the ones that are up. So yes, tie breaker, split brain. It's, it's a math problem. That's why you need this for doing it. But it's, that's why whenever you see HA, you'll, you'll see at least three needed for HA. You need a witness. There you go. I should have said it's simpler. Yep. Witness server, five separate systems, monitored operations, the vote on which one is right. Yes. In the space shuttle. There's, there's, I mean, this has been used, it's a math, like I said, it's more of a mathematics problem and to, it's using mathematics to come up with and science, however you want to put it, to come up with the correct answer for something that's really important. It's, it's a big factor when you're dealing with switching or anything that has to do with what's down, what's up for high availability. All right. A lot of quite a lot of great questions here. What are some of the other questions we have about scale or should I just carry on? There's not though. So this is, this is definitely something that's going to come up a lot. Um, whether or not there's an, uh, whether or not there's, uh, how the clustering works, I should say, whether or not there's a way to have active, active. That's not currently part of the architecture of TrueNAS scale. Now TrueNAS core supports active, active, and I've done the review. I think it's on the M 40 or M 50. If you type in like TrueNAS HA, I have videos showing how they have the motherboards themselves set up in a high availability configure configuration. Now I don't know if that feature is coming to core. I mean, it is coming to scale, but it's available in core with specialized hardware. So if you have an IAC systems, you can get one of their chassis that support full high availability. So you can actually have an entire motherboard, and power supply and everything fail without any noticeable loss because it's an active, active system. Well, actually it's active passive, but it's at the ready. The fail over time is like five seconds. So technically someone will call me out if I say it's active, active, it's like active, active. So far as I heard, scale should already support the IX chassis. One of the things there, it supports the chassis kind of, but I don't know that it's, I don't know that it supports high availability yet. I'm not sure about that. Also support the, I know one thing it didn't do very well is this right here. If you view the enclosure, I don't know why. And I did, I made mention of this, I believe in one of the posts, it doesn't show the enclosure. So when I switched to scale, so core shows the enclosure and can tell me the drive information, but I couldn't get this information in the other system. So nonetheless, apologies for being asked, do we have real hardware recommendation for scale, excited to new continuation whether I'm concerned about my I3 was 16 gig. I don't know what hardware recommendation, but I mean it's Debian. So most of the things that are compatible with Debian should work with it. That's actually something that people are going to be excited about is the, you know, BST has pretty good compatibility, but Debian has a little better compatibility. So you should be able to pretty diverse there as far as hardware. Did you benchmark the latest scale version? I mentioned it. I didn't do extensive benchmarking yet, but so far it's scale is definitely slower. It's earlier in the video. So if you want to ensure good monitoring, you'd load the OS and the hardware via IPMI, iLoDRAC. Yeah, IPMI and SNMP set all that up on there for monitoring. Yeah. Oh, I think that was the question here about is IX systems US focused only, no, they're international. We are a reseller officially FYI for people that, you know, what's your relationship with them, Tom? Yes, we are. We work directly with IX systems. We do sell a lot of their enterprise equipment. We just sell it in the US, but as far as I know, they're international, but this is going to wind down because I see a Tesla has arrived in my garage. That's how I know my wife's home. That is looked up. That's the screen I'm looking at on the other side is this one here. So I'll be winding this down, five more minutes for questions, and then we'll call the end of this because we have somewhere I have to go now. Go back over, share this tab instead. Yes, the wife has come home. So many things to do. It's a Saturday. I'll still be playing with this later on today. I played with it last night. I was doing just a bunch of random tests to make sure I understood, you know, as much as I do, because like I said, I don't have any scale systems in production. I said that earlier in the video. It's definitely on my to-do list, of course, and maybe we'll see some clients that get it, but I don't expect it to happen outside of my office and maybe it's from techie friends that try it, but I do give a shout out to Ray Dowell. He's got a video on TrueNAS Scale. He covers it. Jeff from Craft Computing has got a video on TrueNAS Scale. That's the two people off the top of my head. Go check them out. But I will do a dedicated video on it. If I build my own system for learning, is the EC system must? No, not at all. Matter of fact, watch my video called ZFS as a cowl, and you'll understand better how the ZFS copy-on-write file system works. And one of the things I mentioned here is the lack of need for ECC well, requirement. Need is different than require. Do you need better error correction because it makes for better things? Error correction is a good thing, but if it's not in your budget, you can still completely have a very solid stable system without worry of data corruption without ECC. So absolutely. Optional but advisable is what TrueChart says. How does OpenZFS compare to ZFS on TrueNAS, which I use, I believe it's all OpenZFS now. That was one of the changes. Answer questions. You're not going to run things on the boot pool. That's not how it's designed in core or scale. Boot pool is not where applications go. So the ideal thing when you're doing boot pools is they're kind of like they say they're a boot pool. Get some inexpensive SSD, even I think mine's loaded on a SATA DOM for one of them, but you find just a small inexpensive in their cheap microcenter anywhere. Matter of fact, if you're a computer enthusiast, you probably have an old SSD that was too small for your daily usage. So that first SSD you bought that's still kicking around that you're like, oh, I don't really want to do much with it. It's only 64. Use it for TrueNAS scale. Don't put a big boot drive in. This is a build question more so than anything else. Is there some hacky way to do it? Probably. I wouldn't recommend it. We just use, you know, if it's a production system, obviously it's different because you're going to put it, you're going to create a boot raid mirror. But there's still, even when we do that, there are small drives, the boot drives in our production here. I can pull up before we leave here. One of my production systems, and I'll show you how we have our production system set up. So if we go to system, boot, oops. Yeah, you just put boot pools in a mirror and these are not a, these are a pair of, give me the model numbers on them. Does it tell me? I think they're nice. They're micron drives, but I just set up a pair of these small SSDs. I think they're 128. So I have a pair of small 128 SSDs. They're only for boot. All my data is across these drives. So if you go over here, this has a lot of drives in it, by the way. This is, this is one of our larger storage servers here. So unraid user, why switch to trance and experience, unraid versus true NAS. Unraid doesn't get you the performance you can get out of true NAS, but if you're happy with unraid, you know, if it does the things you want it to do, then unraid to my knowledge, I don't use it, but people seem happy with it. I'm partial to all the flexibility and specifically the ZFS. I know there's some way to get ZFS and unraid. I'm not clear on that process. I don't think it's native for how it loads. So, but hey, thank you for the live stream Q&A. More than happy. I like doing this. This was definitely fun. Hey, there you go. Someone else has a pair of 128 gigs SSDs mirrored. This is how I have mine set up as well. So like I said, you don't, you don't need a big boot drive. You just kind of take those old drives and it doesn't need to be fast. I hear people say, tell me they want to build it with MVME for the boot. I'm like, why? It boots. It's not, it's, that's not the long part of the process. And once it boots, it's usually hopefully not, what do you call it? Hopefully it's not rebooting often. Is butterFS better than EXC4 or is ZFS, which is the best? ZFS is the best. ButterFS is pretty good. It's not a bad file system. ButterFS is also a copy on right file system. I'm less familiar with the semantics of butterFS. But if you, I do mention that in my ZFS is a cow video, would you recommend a home NAS systems that you can also run Plex and utilize for backup storage of your Unify video? What, oh, what would you recommend as a home NAS system that you can run Plex? I churned a scale or core are pretty good on there. Oh, SD card as a boot, living dangerous there. Those are, as long as it's a reasonable one, like one of those high durability SD cards. Do you replicate between pools before off system backup? Usually I just take the pool and replicate it to another system. Oh, if you're running an HP, you're right. The longest part of boot for me is the HP boot process. What does HP do? Like turn on and like to like put an advertisement of their logo. If you're lucky, if you have some of the older HP systems, you get to stare at a blank screen wondering what the thing's doing for like three minutes. I had an old HP server. I was like, what is this thing doing? Is it coming on? And by the time you would wander around and go check the cables and make sure it's all on, the screen would come on. Would you go Proxmox with TrueDance Core VM or TrueDance Scale? If you want performance, core is still more performance than scale. How do you see when a snapshot, at least set the age on a snapshot? That's what causes the deletion. I don't know. I haven't tested UPS integration. The newer HP cell, the longer it takes to boot. All right. Well, I'm going to leave now because she hasn't come downstairs yet to the studio. That's coming soon before my wife comes down here. So I'm going to take off because we have somewhere we have to go. Oh, you like the Cowell video? Awesome. We also have Cult of ZFS shirts. We made them last night because people thought that was funny. So I made some shirts like that. You can check my shirt store if you're interested in the Cult of ZFS. That was something we did last night. So everyone, thanks for joining. Thanks for all like 200 something you hit the like button, all that fun stuff. Much appreciated. I'm hopefully educate you a little bit on TrueDance Scale. I will be doing some future dedicated videos and tutorials on this. In the meantime, as I said, check out Craft Computing and Raid Owl. They both have videos on TrueDance Scale. You guys have a great weekend. And if I feel inspired, I might do this again tomorrow. All depends on how busy I am. Thanks.