 What's up everybody I'm the hook and I'm the blade and together we're you know welcome to the you know podcast show about all things you know I'm your host Lawson and with me as always is my co-host Timothy but I'm with you in a but yeah spiritually because you've you've died speaking from the dead I'm actually in the driver's seat of my car at the bottom of the lake it's a great intro to a movie just a podcast person recording in their car at the bottom of the lake actually never mind it's a terrible intro it's a bad idea we shouldn't do that it's also a bad version of blowout this is a very special episode you guys very special because for the first time in hookblade history in ten years of doing this podcast Tim and I are in the same room the same which is unique because usually we live a good 20 hours away from each other yeah different parts of the country few states apart yeah we have been pretty much online friends for like five years we did get the chance to hang out in person a couple years ago in 2018 long before the hookblade was even a twinkle in either of our our baby blue eyes and yeah so we thought because we've been having a lot of fun doing the show might be a good opportunity to hang out in person hang out with some mutual friends of ours meet up watch a bunch of shitty movies but but that's not what we're here to talk about today we're here to talk about ranking the assassin's creed games a couple notes at the top of the show first of all because we're doing this in the same room recording audio in in in person is an entirely different logistical challenge than doing it remotely and this one we're not quite experts at this is our first time doing it so please forgive any audio weirdness compared to our previous episodes be patient with us or don't it doesn't work or write hate mail about how much the audio sucked we're honestly okay with either and then the other thing to note is that there isn't anything else to note is the only note we had so we're gonna do today is we're gonna go through our rankings of the assassin's creed games because you know seems like the thing to do and I feel like if we talk about what our rankings are you guys are lovely lovely listeners will have a frame of reference for like what we value in the assassin's creed game I mean if you've listened to more than one episode you could probably take a good guess right we did a whole episode about what we value that what we appreciate but at the same time you know contextualizing in a ranking I feel like seems like a different thing for sure and it's it's it's nice you could put it in a you could put it in a bulleted list yeah or like use asterisks or something to do that or like there's a lot of drop-down options in Microsoft Word for how you can organize a list use hyphens the way we're gonna do this is we're gonna just sort of take it one at a time from the bottom to the top yes and what's just sort of each sort of discuss what what is at each position on our list why don't we let's just jump into it what do you think yeah worst the best right yeah worst the best coming in hot at number 11 anyone who knows me would know what I'm gonna say here assassins creed 3 I hate it I hate it I hate it yeah it's bad it's bad I don't like it I don't like it it is not good yeah it's definitely not like worse in the series yeah well actually I'm kind of wrong when I say that kind of technically wrong yeah cuz my 11th is Odyssey because I haven't played it but I put it at the bottom just because I feel like spiritually I like origins more but Odyssey is at the bottom for me yeah famously you haven't played origins or Odyssey that's what you're kind of known for yeah that's why I'm famous you've resisted the appeal of playing these fucking games and roque oh yeah that was between the console generation switch and I didn't have my 360 anymore right I wasn't about to go buy 360 just to play roque dude why I missed it roque is yeah are all of the games you haven't played the bottom three of your list yes okay and then above those bottom three is it yeah I don't know I think that's I think that's a fair technicality I feel like if I had played roque or origins I would have liked it more than AC3 but I feel like I think so too but I feel like Odyssey would always be at the bottom and that's I thought I totally understand I also understand why someone would put Odyssey below AC3 on any level but you like AC you like you still like you think origins is better than I'm gonna spoil your list yeah so bottom of the list for me is AC3 bottom list for you is Odyssey yeah next up number 10 right I've got for mine it's a it's Assassin's Creed origins well this is where this is where I was overlap mine's mine's origins to a number 10 and I hate to say this cuz I I haven't played it since it came out I find it entirely plausible that if when I play it again and I do intend to I'm kind of gonna go through all of them I feel like I could end up liking it better than Odyssey just because you know Odyssey is full of grandi bullshit and dialogue choices and there's no assassins in it at all origins there's also no assassins in it at all but they sprinkle a couple of sassins in at the very end just to tell you it's an assassin's Creed game yeah there are a lot of problems I have with the origin story that the Odyssey story didn't really bother me as much I thought it was a little better and I maybe had more fun playing Odyssey than origins just maybe yeah I don't like the world of origins that much I don't like all the desert I really don't that's a thing is or that's why I don't look at Ashraf as like the saving grace for AC especially now but I never looked at him as a saving grace for AC just because I feel like his game philosophy is is is rather like very anti classic AC yeah because you look at black flag and anyone who has a problem with black flag is really just because of the navigational switch ups and how like the the focus is on the sea and more and in the pirating that it is actually classic assassin stuff right and they but they try and do some classic assasins well we'll talk about black well sorry we get we get we get to buy please so that my number 10's origins your number 10's origins yep my number nine is Odyssey as I've kind of just explained so I need to go into too much depth yeah nine for me is rogue haven't played it but I just feel like out of all those three rogue would still be the best one out of three for me I would I would predict as much for you and then now we're fully into the territory of games we've actually played yes my number eight is assassin's creed one wow I didn't expect to do that low every time I replay it I like it less so you should stop replaying I'm gonna boot it up I'm gonna grab all the flags just to feel like a completionist and I'm never gonna play it again because there while there's a lot to love about it it's so bare bones it's so bare bones a lot of people like about it too and I get that I totally get that but as soon as AC to introduces you to the power of modern story telling absolutely yes but also want to introduce you to like economy and things to do with said economy characters with internet a lot of things we've already talked about we did a whole episode on assassin's creed one yeah don't need to fully re-litigate it but it was it was higher on this list before I just replayed assassin's which is fair I mean you this is a modern ranking and I've really debated how it compares with what's next up on the list right but what's what's what's at your spot my number eight is AC3 right um out of all the ones I've played it's the worst yeah mm-hmm I there are parts of there are definitely things about I like you and I are going on a big replay the series right now yeah I am interested in getting back into it mm-hmm because there are things about it then like oh I remember that that might be kind of cool to re-experience because it's not all bad I don't think it's just 80 yeah like there there's like morally gray Templars and stuff except for probably Lee you know he's very morally gray but like in Haytham it's great it was great so and honestly I played a little bit of AC3 before we started doing the show and I'm really not looking forward to jumping back into it it's like the it's the game I'm least looking forward to yeah replay at the moment I was just finishing revelations before I head up before I came up to see you yeah so once I get back I'm gonna pop down and finish revelations up and then get back into three yeah and yeah so exactly yeah spoilers for the next few episodes of the podcast yeah we didn't say last week we're gonna talk about brotherhood this week we weren't really able to make that happen sorry to our guest Jcer's Habs 018 because we are actually really stupid as far as recording infrastructure goes and as far as figuring out a way to make it so that we can both hear him on a call not hear each other and both be using our own microphones and our own computers seemed like a really big pain in the butt I'm sure there's a way to do it yeah I'm the obvious solution would have been to just be in separate rooms but then we're not in make-out distance then we're not in make-out distance and then what was the point of all this why'd you even bother coming up yeah precisely yeah because you can just assume and as you're listening to the podcast at any moment that you can't hear either one of our voices it's because we're we're making out exactly and that's that's world-building that's world-building all right so yeah I've got AC1 you got AC3 next up I put sas and screed unity and definitely deliberating between unity and one was a really hard thing so after AC3 you got unity no AC1 I've got unity oh that's right that's right right okay so for me after AC3 I have unity all right so we're matched up we're matched up they're just after different games yeah and the thing for me with unity is that there's a lot to love same kind of situation as AC3 where their ambition got the better of them on that game and introducing a new engine to the series didn't exactly pay off in terms of polish but for me like unity is a game the game I'm most likely to boot up out of the whole series when I just want to free roam I love Paris I love the parkour system and even though I have a lot of really big problems with the story I feel like and this is something we'll get into if we ever talk about it on the show unity is kind of a bad story that's well told yeah it's it especially when you get into the swing of things with the Notre Dame assassination assassination I feel like things are very they are they have they give you the illusion of a well-paced story yeah after that yeah yeah it's it's frustrating it's also a great moment in story isn't it is a Notre Dame situation yeah it's frustrating the AC unity isn't more polished and doesn't have a better story it does still represent the apex of my hype for the series yeah I mean I agree with you I said in the very first episode that when it didn't work on my computer I cried yeah cried real tears yeah I was I I sometimes will just try and I'll try and injects nostalgia into my veins and so I will go and rewatch all the three press conferences and I watched the unity one I just remembered how much I was looking forward to it and how it just seemed like it was going to be like the best game ever I'll never forget unwrapping a brand new PlayStation 4 Christmas of 2014 with a copy of Assassin's Creed Unity and pumping that shit right into the disc drive and playing it in my basement in Virginia it was a great you know experience and I didn't really like the cracks of the game I I wasn't aware really or conscious of all the games flaws until after I was done playing it right I was frustrated by the game design sure there were missions I had trouble with but I played all the missions all the co-op stuff and I was loving it and then then I kind of looked back on it later I was like that game was a bit shit something I will say about unity that's very positive is is most of the cutscenes yeah acted and directed incredibly well it's a very cinematic game like if you go back and watch the story trailer which you shouldn't have done it before you play it's very spoilerly yeah but the story trailer it still got me excited for a story that I already knew was bad I also parts about the way it's presented anyway I also just still think that it's the I I would say unity is the best-looking game of all time yeah I think so too I've never seen a video more aesthetically pleasing last of us too looks pretty good but the art style you know like yeah they do a really good job of making drab boring post-apocalypse wastelands but but unity man it's like just this luxurious ring something like upscale French like for side texture size beautiful the insides of the lighting that like it just it looks so real I was so excited when it came out as to like this is what next gen games are gonna look like and then a year later syndicate looks at least 50 percent today it doesn't look as good as unity no never did origins Odyssey I don't think they look as good as unity no that thing that game pushed some boundaries and for that even though AC won the product the completed game is better I think as a as a as an experience the story the gameplay like AC won is more effective at doing what it sets out to do by far AC unity is just gonna hold a special place in my my heart despite all its flaws me too I mean I looked getting ready for this I looked back at I made a tweet a little while ago about like making the top five for your favorite game series and I ranked top five and unity was my fifth yeah I don't know where that must have been closer to when I played unity again and I because like look you have that Arno Dorian shirt that you love wearing all the time every every time you're in public yeah I mean I have it I brought it with me to give context I I was so excited for this game that I had I owned like two different unity shirts I own the the UB workshop official one yeah which I wore every day to high school I don't I now I now see why no girls talk to me and then I had the Arno Dorian shirt which was like a design by humans yeah our winner thing and I had that I still have it today it's useless let's mix it up what's what's on your list above unity above unity yeah it's syndicate brotherhood so yeah okay yeah now I like syndicate a lot more than you like syndicate I think that's very safe very much I also see why you would rank syndicate unity pretty close on your list yeah yeah I mean honestly like if syndicate didn't have a better story yeah and we're just enjoyable things to do in the game I say unity is better yeah but because syndicate levitonizes parkour and mm-hmm all that and what's interesting about comparing the fact that you've got syndicate on your list of your brotherhood they're both written by by Jeffrey so they've got the same writer they're the only two that are written by him yeah well he wrote he wrote yes full games he did write the DLC dead dead dead kings for unity sure he did write that and what's interesting about comparing them is they're very similar in terms of their priorities with where it comes to storytelling I don't want to go too deep on brotherhood because we're doing that next week obviously we'll have Jason's Hobbes opinion to add to it but I found that you know I don't love the approach that both of these games take where you kind of have a mustache twirling cartoon bad guy and unequivocally good heroes who are just liberating their city from the bad guy without a lot of personal stakes mixed in here's what's here's what's better though in syndicate is Crawford Sterak gets his own little cut scenes every other sequence absolutely and Chasway Borja is like a nothing character until you fight him and he's still a nothing character yeah Chasway Borja is not a great brotherhood but that's why I think syndicate has the upper hand yeah cuz Warren Crawford Sterak's a better character and they to give I to give him like his own little scenes even though in your ranking brotherhood's gonna come above syndicate yeah yeah because because I still think brotherhood holds true to some of those classic AC stuff like sure but we'll talk we'll get there for me yeah brotherhoods at this spot on the list I didn't love brotherhood as much as I had hoped to and you know we're gonna we're gonna talk more about it all all next week so I won't go too deep right what do you have above it above that I got black flag well that's so low that's where I put road yeah I have rogue there we're really about to match up man yeah I'm not as jazzed about it as most people I get it I think you might like it better when you replay it what you're going to do I think so too it'd be interesting for us to revise these lists once we once we finish the big replay I think we'll have to and my list has already changed quite a bit since we started the replay right my top three has been shaken up yeah I mean like like you said there are definitely things about brotherhood that like I don't love yeah and we'll definitely talk more in depth about it so like brotherhood could very well shift it's just like I'm not gonna put brotherhood below unity you know like I can't do that right and it's not you know it's not below you just right above you and then I've got above yeah so yeah so we're I'm talking about rogue you're talking about black flag for me rogue it has all the same gameplay juice as black flag and I really enjoy that style of gameplay I love the naval love exploration I love the islands I love the way that the stealth works in those games that's some of the pinnacle of stealth in the franchise if you ask me rogue has a story that almost works really really well I will save my in-depth thoughts for when we talk about it on on an episode but yeah I think my issues with rogue are the same as everyone else's issues with rogue they get talked about where it's one of those stories where if you're protagonist and your antagonist had had a 10 minute adult conversation everything could have been resolved yeah all of the conflict could have been bypassed and every single thing that happens the story hinges on a fundamental misunderstanding that was totally avoidable by rational characters yeah that's just not really great writing in my 100% there are some interesting things about Shae's voice actor too that's related to you I've talked to Steven Piovas on a couple of times to try and get him on to different podcasts I was working on because he was just kind of like as far as voice actors go he's a pretty low key guy he like will add you back on Facebook if you request him I said a message is basically saying at the time when I was working on animus island podcast by our friend aftermath one two three one former headmod of the subreddit I was just sort of helping out kind of like as a producer and I was doing like music stuff for them I reached out to him he was like yeah that'd be cool I'd really like to be on let me talk to you BPR about it and then ghosted me then later I was hosting my own podcast called the bureau and I asked him again I was like hey I'm working on a different podcast remember that last but forget that doesn't exist anymore once you come be on my podcast he was like yeah man let's do it I haven't even bothered reaching out to him about hook blade you can't fool me once shame on you fool me twice mostly shame on you shame on me a little bit you also requested to play with it didn't you yeah I was I started playing Scrabble go on my phone and he came up because he's friends with me on Facebook yeah and I sent a request to play Scrabble go with him and he plays like I could still see like he last played today last played today the next days he didn't want to he just didn't want to play Scrabble with me either yeah yeah I like you Steven you seem like you gotta go three for three you know at this point I'll request it just for the meme we'll bring him on to the Rogue episode just so I can say next week yeah I asked Steven again third podcast in five years we'll see what he says anyway yeah Rogue it's my number you it's my number five on the list so that's interesting that I haven't encountered about it which I thought was saying is that rogue has better navigation mechanics I felt like they the stuff that they improved with naval combat navigation made it a little bit more engaging I felt like they got more out of their environments black flag you have these big open ocean rogue gives you two areas two maps that are separate you have like the river valley and like sort of an arctic area right it's not Arctic it's like I don't remember I don't remember what they what they were it was snowy there was snowy snowy map snowy map and rogue whatever it's called it was fun because the ice introduced a couple mechanics and the locales were really interesting the river valley was really tight sort of narrow corridors between mountains so you had to kind of manage your speed and stuff like that a little bit more than black flag that sounds fun it's good game number four for me after black flag is gonna be AC1 yeah on my replay definitely had some trouble with it there are things I don't like about it yeah there are things I really don't like about it that upset me however the way the way it handles the modern day the way it handles the confessional scenes its vibe its presentation its atmosphere some of the way the cities look just I can't put it too low on my list for those reasons because I think a lot of those things is what made the early games special especially on this replay I've been noticing how like just what would have happened if patrice didn't get booted you know yeah like I've really fantasized about what that would have looked like definitely who knows if would have been better than what we have now right who knows yeah but if patrice gave us the one and then also the best series best game a series for the majority of the opinion I'm just curious what his AC3 would have looked like definitely anyway that's legit you know it's fine yeah you like AC1 a lot more than I do that's totally legit but I like it I think I dislike it for the same reasons you just like definitely they're just we have different priorities sure yeah cuz cuz I think I think if a game came out with AC1's type of modern day I mean I'd be all over it so definitely yeah my my contender in this spot is syndicate syndicate is currently at number four and like I said I have a lot of a lot of just personal enjoyment for for syndicate just first of all I have a twin sister that plays a role jay given Evie have their fun twin dynamic and much like Jacob and Evie my twin sister and I are pretty much the complete fucking opposite to each other in every way but we get along and you know really well yeah we're best friends really you go and you go in you know destroy a bank and she yeah I ruin the banking system of an entire country and then she kills people and brings back together yeah it's alright it's our dynamic it's our relationship healthy I love the the targets in syndicate I love the way that you know there's so many memorable ones honestly for me more than in any other Assassin's Creed game even AC1 even some of the etio games you know I gotta say the thing about syndicate that strikes me the most is it has like the best some of the best probably it's not the best incorporation of lore yeah they use a lot of it and they take advantage of it and we also as we've said multiple times in the podcast have a huge soft spot for syndicates modern day yes 100% but also yeah I mean in terms of it like I feel like you hail him is one of those dudes just like respects the lore definitely and so he doesn't go out of his way to like make any bullshit you know like like and the thing too is project legacy as I'm admittedly a big fan of yeah they utilize a lot of the stuff that the project legacy both of about the shroud yeah and even expanded on it and in the database sequences so even though I recognized a lot of the stories that it was telling yeah they flashed them out a little bit more totally just totally awesome and we love syndicate syndicate's my number four but it was until this week my number three right yeah now it's changed what's your number my number three is brotherhood wow there are things about brotherhood that I don't like but I still think it it still has that like refined gameplay that AC1 lacks yeah and it still sticks to that classic AC feel that like a game like black flag doesn't have for me so yeah I put my number three my number three is revelations revelations is pretty great yeah for me revelations addresses pretty much all the problems that I have with brotherhood but my problems with brotherhood are severe enough that it keeps it out of my my higher part of the list it's right it's pretty much smack dab in the middle of the list for me but because I don't I didn't love brotherhood story yeah and I had a lot of problems with the mission design had a lot of problems with the systems all of which we're going to explain more next week right but revelations for me pretty much pretty much knocks my socks off and I really never got to fully appreciate it until this playthrough but the way the parkour the design of the city the stealth mechanics now that they kind of open up your bomb possibilities and that Darby McDevitt writing man yeah just he can't beat it can't beat it he knows how to write good characters he knows how to take the most small minor like interactions and make them interesting and make people genuinely interesting you know you go back to brotherhood you've got these like or ac2 you've got these beat-up missions somehow every single beat-up mission is a as a wife telling you to beat up her cheating her cheating husband yeah you like you put Darby McDevitt in that room on that day and he's gonna come up with six very different reasons someone's asking to beat someone absolutely and they'll all be interesting stories to themselves I mean this dude wrote a game called the Sims busting out for Game Boy Advance and by most accounts he did a really great job with that and I don't know how you do a good job with that so look Darby's a hero he's a genius revelations is his first showing of that in Assassin's Creed would have been a mobile game would have been a 3ds game yeah or yeah a handheld game yeah and he was the right man for the job and now he's he's showing us the light he's showing us the way he's single-handedly marketing Assassin's Creed Valhalla to actual fans of the series on twitter every single day so we love him I love revelations that's my number three game now to to the number two slot number two ironically is ac2 number two for me ac2 there we go another another little direct overlap yeah there is plenty about ac2 to love especially coming off of ac1 even though we both are kind of on record about not liking the ending yeah as we talked about last week yeah I think there's so much to enjoy about the world how it's it's brought to life the characters you know etzio his journey right you know I mean this I love the like conspirator stuff you like like work your way up the ladder of the conspiracy and and you you're growing with etzio as you do it and most things are more enjoyable in ac2 even though the combat is worse than ac1 but that's besides the point etzio etzio is a classic character he's iconic he's not like the best character of all time mind you but he is one of the best assassins neither is ac2's version of him the best version of etzio agreed I find revelations etzio is the best absolutely I love the contrast between having him old and mature and wise and you know kind of a little bit of boomer energy oh yeah still being a kickass assassin and and all of that and carrying with him the stories and the memories of the things that have happened in the previous games just great stuff and ac2 yeah it really is the progenitor for the franchise that we know and love at least the parts of it that we love in a lot of instances and you just can't beat ac2 it's the classic it's the it's the rock you know it's the it's the foundation upon which this franchise truly was built and also yeah yeah I mean ac1 is when the series started ac2 is where assassin's creed started yeah ac2 is when is when assassin's creed went from being a boy to a man yeah very true I also brought us lineage yeah that great movie or short you have a you have a fun fact about etzio in that movie lineage I do well the fun fact about etzio in lineage is that he's played by Devin Bostick who is best known for playing Roderick in the original diary of wimpy kid movies while everyone else looks exactly like their voice actor because all those characters were modeled after their voice actors etzio is just over there looking like fucking Roderick so can you guys it's me etzio he has one line anyway I don't even remember what he says he's like okay father I have I have also a fun fact about ac2's advertising in regards to the actors because every every once in a while I remind myself that the ac2 story trailer I believe oh lord they couldn't get Roger Craig Smith to voice etzio so they had the guy who plays his dad do it so he narrates the trailer from etzio's perspective in the voice of his dad it's ridiculous it's really some of the some of the shots of the game they use etzio's real voice because they're just using dialogue from the game but when they want to put in a line that doesn't actually exist in the game they have his dad record it so there's a moment where he's like Leonardo da Vinci Leonardo da Vinci he does it higher pitch too it's not just I'm not doing that that's not my impression of his dad that's my impression of his dad's impression of etzio we'll have to like we'll have to like link that in the description I didn't know this existed until you showed me recently Leonardo da Vinci I am in your debt yeah it's good stuff now drum roll please those of you at home number one games to no one's surprise because I'm sure we've mentioned them and also if you're looking at the list you can figure out what's the one game they haven't talked about for me it's black flag yeah black flag is a beautiful beautiful game it has the best story in the series full stop Edward is one of the best protagonists the way they introduce and use the assassin-templar conflict is ingenious even if it's not enough for for you on the level of you know the older games now that we have origins in odyssey I feel like it's really hard to to shame black flag too much for how it uses assassins and Templars because we've seen it can be so much less than that yeah but if you're thinking about it of the of the time I understand for sure at the same time it really tickles my pickle I would take most of black flag over what we have right now absolutely yeah there are some you know missions that kind of suck some things that are that are frustrating but all in all it it did the best out of any of the Assassin's Creed games for me about creating like a role-playing-ish fantasy that I could really like sink my teeth into being this seafaring captain enjoying the the naval exploration and also doing cool assassin shit on land it's it's a game that I never expected that Assassin's Creed would give us and I I hope that you know we get something as good as it again because it's my my favorite more of that classic incredible detailed Darby writing where he just makes all those characters so real and memorable and believable and uh you just can't beat it pour me a hot cup of ac4 any day of the week that's why I'm so I'm drinking with my breakfast so Assassin's Creed 4 that's what I want I'm interested to see if my opinion of ac4 changes soon um I think it might change but I don't think it'll change very much on my list just because it's it's close to things that don't have a lot of wiggle room at the moment sure but my number one which is obvious I guess is ac revelations yeah it's uh I can't ever say it's the best in the series because I know that there are things about it that are probably not as good as like just like because you got to think about it I mean ac2 is regarded one of the best games of all time yeah so like no one's no one's putting revelations in that running so while I can say objectively it's probably not the best ac it's my favorite by far and it has the most attractive qualities to it for me and so I'm definitely looking for more of a revelations-esque game and like I just think from everything from like the ui changes to uh an older more mature etzio the hook blade revelations has as of right now my opinion is that revelations has the best parkour in this game. It's got the souse yeah revelations has the souse yeah it's really good I I totally get your love for revelations isn't it and I love it too and I'm really excited to talk about it in more depth absolutely podcast because we I've got a lot to say about it I know you've got a lot to say about it for sure but I really enjoyed replaying it because just like with brotherhood the first time and only time I played these games until these replays was uh in a mad sprinting dash over one or two days to get to ac3 yeah imagine that's the most disappointing yeah it's the most disappointing uh binge of all time it's just be really desperate to play assassin's creed 3 only to find out that assassin's creed 3 is assassin's creed 3 and while you're getting to assassin's creed you're jumping through over like some of the best better games yeah and and also just you know ignoring a lot of content that you don't really sink your teeth into when you're just trying to finish as quickly as possible like in brotherhood you can completely miss the Leonardo machines and that's exactly what I did in revelations I missed all of the desmond first player parkour that was so first person that was so it was so engaging to do those little first person puzzles I loved it so much I have yet to do I did one of them so just to kind of repeat it go over it you know my ranking from top to bottom is ac4 ac2 ac syndicate revelations rogue brotherhood unity ac1 odyssey origins ac3 so for me from best to worst got ac revelations ac2 ac brotherhood one black flag syndicate unity three and then the ones I haven't played rogue origins and odyssey and I only I put them that way because at least origins doesn't like go so far back in time that they forget what assassins are kind of does though well like but there's still the hidden ones like when I would respect that over that if it was just a game about creating the hidden ones but again like as I say in my video you know you can't tell me this is a game about the formation of a brotherhood only to form the brotherhood in the post credits absolutely no I agree with you I agree with you this game is not about at least by act like looks like an assassin he is wearing a hood and he acts like an assassin he has a hidden blade that's true those are something I guess I guess it's cool there's a hidden blade in it I guess I like that there's a hidden win the honorary 12th ranking yeah the worst uh game in the whole series uh assassins creed the movie we're thinking about doing like a little commentary track I think that could be fun I think that could be fun I think we'll just record ourselves watching the movie and reacting to it and then you guys can stream into your ear balls while the movie's playing and we'll make a little highlight reel the negative parts about that is we would be making them watch the movie you would then have to watch the movie another time and you know sorry but I have a lot of thoughts about that movie yeah we're going to talk about that soon and we might talk about it next right now we might talk about it now so you know while we have very similar priorities and often agree quite a bit in these episodes we talk about games our lists are pretty different on the whole they are different yeah pretty different because I think you can ignore certain things more than I can in vice versa right vice versa for sure I mean we we each have different priorities that we look for and that's what makes us such great podcasts us together we're fine we're all right yeah yeah okay we get by could be worse yeah we could be we'd be sitting here do you imagine that combo well you can cut this out but yeah imagine that combo I've seen it I don't have to imagine it I have to imagine anything brother what does that like um have you ever seen like a have you ever seen like a three-year-old writing his name and shit on the wall to a bathroom stop if I keep this in and I bleep out their names I'll just tell you we're not talking about anyone in the Assassin's Creed community we're just talking about people that I know in real life people in your personal people in my personal life that we don't like dude now they're gonna know who you are they're gonna be so curious who it is that's hilarious anyway we've really enjoyed doing this episode our first episode in make out distance we're definitely excited to get that brotherhood episode up with jacers hobs jacers hobs thank you for being patient with us while we while we are stupid about technology we're looking we're looking very much forward to that to get our episodes on our replay going yeah keep keep that keep that street going yeah tell us what you want to see in the comments which one here is talk about send us in the hate mail actually you know what you guys should do is tell us your rankings drop your rankings in the comments yeah um and tell us how you feel about ours if you think we're complete dumbasses who don't know anything about Assassin's Creed or 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