 Okay, so anybody following along Firefox worked in Chrome did not so there we go. Okay, so yeah, basically, I am here to talk to you guys about the new logo and I'm going to be looking down because I have two screens and I actually normally have three screens and this little USB converter HDMI thing basically blew a transformer yesterday, which is awesome. That's all right. So, yes, I am not going to rehash sort of like the new logo and why and all that stuff. There is actually a council presentation that I gave a while back that's on YouTube if you just search for Fedora Council logo it pops right up and I already go into all the history of that stuff. So I was meaning for this talk to be more about an update on what we talked about during that council presentation and sort of where we're going with the new logo. What is some of the ongoing work and then how you can help with sort of the new logo roll out effort. So, yes, and spot the new logo isn't about Tom Calloway. This is that repo. It's actually about spot like spotting things finding them, which I believe is the origin of of Tom's nickname because he's very easy to spot because he's a tall fellow. But yeah, so I guess the first thing is I want to talk through. When did the logo change. We started rolling out the local actually here I'll just start with first things first. This is our logo transition timeline. We followed it pretty well. I wouldn't say we've been exactly in lockstep with it, but this was sort of the basic plan. We don't intend to destroy existing materials. If you want to hold on to them, please do. We do intend to produce on an ongoing basis fedora classic swag. So one ticket I wanted to show you guys is the fedora classic logo work that we've been working on and I don't know why pagura is not loading images, but that's okay. Let's see if I can force the issue here. So these are some mock ups of the fedora classic logo. Do should we have a poll. Oh, for the classic that might be a good idea. I don't know if anybody has a preference here. Just a inspo thing. So we were thinking about something like large soft drink company classic style hand lettering with like swirls and kind of including the logo on that. Another approach could be something more like a classic car where it's sort of more geometrical maybe and kind of 1940s style. I don't just have a variety of classic logos too. I don't know if I can actually start a poll. I guess I can. Okay, so question. What approach to fedora classic logos do you prefer and the option would be soft drink classic. See how careful I'm being. Classic car classic both neither. Okay, there you go. You got a poll. Great idea Maria. Okay, so yeah the classic logo ticket is 759. I can drop that in the chat. Also like I mean if anybody I don't like presenting by myself if anybody wants to jump on the video please feel free I could also use help just moderating and like doing stuff. I'm sorry this is a little a bit of a scattered mess and that ticket here 759 so I'm going to drop that in the chat so you have that that's the classic one. So that's sort of a work in progress and I mean we kind of basically want to keep the old logo live because people definitely really like it and it might be nice. You know we were thinking about for example, we could start a new fedora badge it's like an old timer's badge so once you've been around the fedora project for like a certain number of years or something like that then you could apply to get the old timers badge and it's the fedora classic logo or something like that so kind of a neat idea I think. Okay, so then other stuff we have here. Fedora classic design so that so yeah so this is something we wanted to immediately and we underestimated the amount of time it would take to create a fedora classic design so that is sort of something the swag for the fedora classic logos basically something we'll probably launch once the logo is ready. We do have a new fedora diversity sticker sheet with the new logo, at least we have the design I don't know if it's sent to print yet. Maybe it'll be in the secret classified, you know, for a swag kit for flock. As needed so from from actually f 34 like a little bit before f 34 is released actually as new requests come into the fedora design team. We design materials with the new logo by default now. So if you have a new request for the fedora design team. That's what you should expect we're not designing any new materials using the old logo. From f 34 beta, we started packaging it in the distro itself. There should not be any spots in the distro whereby default you see the old logo. We did maintain the classic logo in not the classic logo but the old logo. We did maintain that in the packages in case anybody wanted to swap it out or they were depending on it for something else. You know, it might be nice to pop it out as a separate package maybe but we didn't we wanted to minimize change and minimize risk for breaking anything so. Okay, and then we started roll out with fedora 34 the social media properties. So, as fedora has a new logo start fedora is actually being redesigned it has a new logo right now. There's actually a really nice community process with a relatively new fedora design contributor doing the UI design. We're looking at having an intern work on the implementation of that new design so you know, look forward to this page looking a lot more slick. So, as fedora does have the new logo, we have an upcoming sort of fedora website complete overhaul rethink, and, you know, the new logo obviously be part of that. I'm thinking that's more of a long term process. If you see me in sessions asking a lot of questions about like strategy and competitive analysis and stuff like that, that is where I am coming from and asking those questions and trying to formulate. What is the plan for our next version of the website. And the fedora magazine already has the new logo with Ben's help we actually have the new logo on the community blog already, even though that wasn't slated until next release. So, and you can kind of see like the emphasis why fedora communities blog was sort of later in the schedule than fedora magazine is fedora magazine is geared more towards everyone including users, whereas the community blog is geared more towards contributors. So, we sort of felt like, let's let's make the front door fancy before we we make the inside fancy if that makes sense so that was just where the prioritization went there. For F 35, we're looking at some of these subsites, just updating the logo spins labs community blogs Don, we're looking at updating the discussion that for our project or right now. And that discussion that fedora project org is probably going to involve the creation of a new custom icon for ask that fedora. Oh, hold on. For ask that fedora we have a custom icon for it. And we're sort of like you know as as we start rolling things out we're kind of doing it organically and trying to figure out how much customization can we allow versus having consistency across logos. But one of the important things for these web platforms that I think is good to have a custom logo is that you have the fave icon on the tab. So you know where you are in the tab. And one of the most frustrating things about working in fedora, like classically is when the fave icons are all completely just fedora logos then you can't tell oh well where's my body tab versus where's my co g tab or stuff like that. So we're trying to fix that issue. Yeah, so that's basically like the overall plan we started with. So the long term is to try and we've already started actually to try to hit the contributor facing apps parts of the infrastructure, coming up with a format for those. So, and then another thing so this is sort of along the lines of enabling customization, but also keeping consistency and doing things in a way that's reproducible across different sub teams in the community. The Mexican community was one of the first communities to ask us, hey, you know, we'd like a logo for our community. And this was sort of past the point where we started doing stuff with the new logo. So we started thinking about what are ways, and this is somewhat frustrating that pig or is not loading images but we were trying to think about what are ways that we can enable these local communities to provide a little bit of the flavor of their local area within their logo, but without having it be so custom that it's a long drawn out process, we want these to kind of be very quick and easy to to churn out so that we can support everyone. We also want consistency from community to community but at the same time we do want you to be able to have a unique look and feel. So, one of the ideas that me and Maria had on this one was sort of inspired by the duo lingo penguin, or he's not even a penguin he's an owl but I just prefer penguins. And he's like this little green owl guy. Maybe I can load him up. You know he's basically a mascot for the duo lingo app. And there's different language communities on to a lingo and I, for whatever reason what you can see him in the fave tab but do a lingo owl. Let's just say France. So you can see like the different language communities sort of dress up duo the duo lingo owl to sort of reflect their country's culture traditions. So we thought it might be nice to do something where maybe instead of like the owl, we have the fedora panda, and maybe we dress him up according to different traditions from that local community. So fedora Mexico, Maria was exploring could we do like a sugar skull panda, and that could kind of reflect that community, and that could be sort of a mascot that is used alongside maybe a standardized logo with fedora and location name. So, that's something that we're looking at exploring. And we're kind of again like I don't I don't want like it's, I think it's silly to come up with like a strict list of things must be this way. And then that's that and we only do it that way without being flexible and working with individual communities and figuring out what might work best for them. And then so the way we're approaching it is like we're working with fedora Mexico on this one. The Polish community reached out to me the Italian community reached out to me. So for communities who sort of have the bandwidth and interest to have sort of that level of high touch exchange with the fedora design team. And we're looking to them to help us develop those guidelines that then could be applied to the broader full catalog of local communities. I got to jump on for this part. So I actually, I was looking through some more tickets for the current design intern to work on. And I reached out to Masha and I said, hey, can Daria start like making some drafts here so if you have some more background I'd love to connect you both on that. I think she was just going to go ahead with the Mexico and just like a standard template and also she herself is from India so she was going to create a fedora India one as well just as a beginner to see and so can kind of talk about those drafts like to see them here in like a week or two so can look forward to some updates there. Yeah, and one thing I want to point out on that is that we do have. I have an intern Lauren who this summer has been working on revamping the fedora mascots. So we have beef numerical we have panda we have badger. There's some minor characters. And I think if you know for example for the sugar skull panda. It would be really great if if Daria could use the new panda design that Lauren created. So that we have like moving forward we sort of have this new standardization. And again pagoras not loading images but you know what that's cool, because we have a community blog post that I can point you at. Hopefully, it's not too far back. So are those are those vitalize now. Yes, they are. They they right now they're in bitmap format because the tool that Lauren is using uses vectors in a way that it doesn't let you export them which is somewhat frustrating. But you know, I think it's you. I think honestly like as character design sheets as is that they're still quite useful. We may have to rebuild them in escape though unfortunately but you know it is what it is. But yeah, we're considering these basically the final designs for these characters. This minor character sheet there's an update to that one that wasn't ready in time for this blog post but this blog post is a good place to take a look. But yeah, I think moving forward these are the designs we should use so when say we do the sugar skull panda, it should be based on this panda, if that makes sense instead of like the old panda. And you know again if anybody's like asking well why are you revamping these guys I mean the artwork styles are different the panda especially has a lot of inconsistencies. We've drawn the panda in all sorts of different ways, and we kind of just wanted them to appear like they're from the same family, and they kind of the artwork style matches to. And this is also sort of a more contemporary style, you know, like beefy miracle, you know, the existing beefy miracle is from the late 1990s early 2000s. So I mean, you know, styles and trends change over time so it was just, it seemed like a nice thing in in coordination with the new logo design to sort of clean up our mascot artwork too. So and I will post this in the chat because I'm sure folks are interested and just know I'm not closely monitoring the chat. If you really want my attention message Marie and I'm sure she'll raise it to me and like we have five minutes anyway but um, yeah so there's that. We've had a few things with, let me look oh right well this is spot the old logo. Q, and this is kind of a good way how you can help just even you don't have to be a designer, you don't even have to be technical. If you're kind of browsing around fedora's websites or apps or even inside fedora itself. When you encounter a spot where the old logo is still present. If you wouldn't mind filing a ticket here and I will paste that into that would be super helpful because we're basically using this as a queue to go through and just start updating them. So some of these you can see we have PRs pending. I closed them once PR is accepted. If you wanted to see the process of taking an existing logo, and sort of new new fedora logo with flying it, the mind share ticket is a pretty good example of how we've done that. So, hey Mo, we have about four or five questions. All right, I don't know how much you have left in your preso though I'm not trying to rush you. Oh, that's, that's basically it. So, you know, the technical issues. Where did the panda come from what is the history of the panda. Okay, I can tell you that because I'm the origin of the panda. I really like pandas. It's just a thing. I can't tell you why I just, I did a project on pandas in fourth grade, and I just really like them. I used to be very chill, laid back non drama animals, and I felt like chill laid back no drama is like a great personality trait to work in open source. So I just started anytime the opportunity came to throw an Easter egg into something, or, you know, I used to call I don't know why I don't know why but I used to call the members of the design team pandas. So like when I would start an email to the mailing list I'd be like hey pandas or something like that. It's just cute friendly animal, they're cuddly, they're large, they're they're huggable. I just like them. Is there a fedora Massachusetts community for my state in the US so I'm assuming your state is Massachusetts I think it is because we talked about that earlier. There is Northeast Lenox, Lenox fast but with coronavirus, I don't know how things are, but I would consider the Northeast Lenox fast community to be sort of the kind of New England regional local community and it's not for specific but that's a good place. Um, could we get a 3D fedora logo swag item or 3D file to print your own logo or both. So you're looking to 3D print the new logo. And you would like a 3D like, okay, so a 3D fedora logo swag item. I guess I need more details on like what kind of swag you're interested in because. Like that it's 3D that's cool, but what what is the use like would it be like a key chain maybe or something like that like if I like to think about things in terms of how it's going to operate in the real real world and what its function it's going to be and how it's going to help people. So if you can kind of make that case to me we can absolutely explore that. I think that's a cool idea if we could do something 3D. In terms of a 3D file. I can certainly generate one if you have something in mind. Again, it kind of depends on what you're looking to do with it. Does fedora India have a new logo yet. No, that is something that Daria is going to be working on. How can my sig fedora idea get new artwork with the logo. Oh, well, that's an easy one just file it and spot the old logo. You can just say like here is update for our mind chair. You could do the same like update my sig's logo, put the name of the sake, give us any existing artwork that you have. If you have any preferences on what you would like, you know, if you have an idea that we'd really like to incorporate this or that or whatever, let us know and we'll work with you. So fedora magazine has the new logo in a darker blue. Is that something we plan to do generally use a variety of colors or is that an exception. Yes, so that one is a very cool question. So fedora magazine has always had a brand that has its fedora like, but it's a little bit distant from it as well. I think there's a lot of different reasons for this. I think a lot of this was Ryan Lurch's idea, but he kind of wanted it. He wanted it to be accessible to users and not feel like you have to be a contributor to follow along. So to give it sort of its own brand that's still in the family, you know what I mean like between say Bode and coji like they should look like sisters or sisters, whereas like fedora magazine and fedora project or maybe more first or second cousins right so using the darker blue on the logo was a way of providing a little bit of that distance. And I think that coloring the fedora logo, the new logo in different colors and you might notice too we added like a gradient to it as well so that the tail of the fedora f kind of goes into the background a little bit there's a little bit of a 3D effect there. It really depends on what the goal is I think by default we'll use the standard blue. If it's a separate treatment that requires it we can use white or black to because this is a one color possible logo we can do that we can be more flexible about colors but I don't want to get too wild. I really want to stick to the dark blue and the light blue unless there's a really good reason, but like unless it's a very specific use case that has been discussed and has a good reason like fedora magazine. Probably folks should not be doing the fedora logo in different colors I think if you're doing the logo in different colors again there needs to be a reason. You know for example like if we wanted to do some pride swag. So we wanted to do something where it was like a t shirt that had the fedora logo across the chest and the fedora logo is in the fedora palette of all the different colors to sort of look like a rainbow. That could be a totally okay case, but it's something that I wouldn't just do on your own I wouldn't do that in a self service capacity I would definitely engage with the fedora design team and sort of have a discussion so that we can make sure it's done the right way. Like for example like you might think oh well I want to do something like that so I'll just use the colors of the rainbow. Whereas, if you talk to somebody on the design team would probably be like, that's a great concept but why don't we stick to the palette colors of the fedora palette, it's still a rainbow. It's not the classic red green blue yellow whatever, but it'll give you the same effect and also be closer to our branding. So, there's that. Let's see if there's new questions. Will the fedora ever add the logo next to the activities button like rel used to do. Um, maybe that's probably a good question for the workstation group if they want to do that. It doesn't matter to me either way. So, does fedora recommend a default monospace font we have default serif sans serif and title font already. Um, I mean we can if you want. I'm assuming by default monospace font you mean for like branding and marketing materials because for the distro and OS itself. That's really like workstation group determines that stuff. And honestly, like the default. I think right now the default can own font is Cantor L whereas fedora's default font is open sans a mozzarella. I think I hit them all did I miss anything. And I think we're at time. So, I guess that's that so after this at I think 1130 to 1230. We're going to do a live fedora kind of video chat normally when the fedora design team meets we have video chats and we kind of just go through our ticket triage and stuff like that. So we're basically going to do that here at nest. So you can feel welcome to join us there and if you have more questions or things you want to talk about or if you want to get started contributing. That's a great place to start so thanks everybody.