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They're so good I wish I wish this was just me being finally getting good at selling things But it's not like I just I just like them because I'm telling people like yeah If you don't want the DTMS one go buy the TMS one or whatever. They're they're worth it Buy something. Yeah, they're soft. I just want to sleep in mine Like instead of the bed Volkai asks who's the guy I'm not hearing behind Patrick. We just said we just said It's nothing for you concern yourself with it's fine. Everything's fine. What guy? I don't see a guy All right, that's the notification that I need to mute my phone and that we can get underway. Oh Really, we're gonna start early. I don't know. I mean we can it's up to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's If we were having a rollicking conversation about Fred Flintstone's effect on Cold War diplomacy I'd say no, well, let's wait till 1 30. We could do that All right Yeah, big Jim thank you it's in the lineup here we go This show is brought to you by audience members like me not outside organizations to find out more go to daily tech news show com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday December 13 2016 I'm Tom Merritt join me today Patrick Beja my co-host also host of pixels in the Philius Club at French spin comm and master of scarves I Will put that that title on my Business cards from now on. Yeah, you know, it's it's a fun day. My house has become a refuge for lost tech bloggers They're just showing up the French tech bloggers are here that is that is saying hi That is so wonderful that you've opened your your home to them, you know, it's a day It's a season of giving and I'm giving shelter to my Lager friends the spirit of Noel lives on and Patrick's Chateau Another actual French words We've got a bunch of stuff to get to we got a jam-packed show We're gonna talk about the future of on-demand delivery whether there is a future for on-demand delivery Whether autonomous cars make any difference with that But we got a few other items There's a bunch of announcements that aren't things that necessarily we have a lot to discuss about right now But they're platform-like announcements However, there is a big piece of news that came out about hour and a half or two ago Oculus CEO Brendan a rebate is stepping down from the CEO position and Oculus is splitting in two He's gonna head a new internal PC VR division and then the mobile VR division will be led by recent hire John Thomason Meanwhile Facebook CTO Mike Schrupper will look for a new Oculus CEO an update to Mac OS Sierra Tuesday has removed the time remaining indicator from the battery life drop-down menu Because it just wasn't very accurate and fixes graphics problems on late 2016 Mac book pros the ones with the touch strip as well As I say change to messaging around iCloud syncing so you don't get shocked when things disappear from your desktop Google launched a new Internet of Things platform called Android things as a developer preview for building smart devices on Android's API It'll eventually work with weave and it's basically the spiritual successor to Brillo if you know what that is if you don't don't worry It's been replaced by Android things and Microsoft is making a Cortana skills kit and Cortana devices SDK those are available in private preview for partners right now to build into software and hardware kind of like what Amazon does with Alexa Those should roll out to anyone interested sometime in 2017 Patrick any any quick reactions any hot takes on those? I guess the Oculus thing is the one that would get some reaction out of me I'm just not quite quite sure what that reaction would be yet. Is it a kind of a Sanction for the CEO is it them wanting to have more specialized people in department? I'm not quite sure it does seem like Trying to move things shake things up a little bit and that probably isn't a You know positive indication of the CEO's performance. I would guess but Yeah, I think it's probably a shift to emphasis on mobile They probably said look every bay we brought you in when we were all about the desktop You're great with the desktop keep doing the desktop But we need some some juice on mobile and maybe they decided they needed more of a generalized CEO It'll be interesting to see who they get right. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I mean they I'm sure that Brendan wasn't thinking like, you know what? It's fine. I'll just take the PC thing I don't want to be the real CEO of the company. Maybe it's like this is too much guys. I just want to do desktop It's my passion. I don't want to deal with possible and more power to him All right, let's get to the rest of the top stories Alphabet announced today. It will move its autonomous car project from Google X into a new company under alphabet called Waymo WA YMO like way moving way mo fiat Chrysler has been partnered with the Google X project since May and will continue to partner with Waymo Waymo CEO John Kraftjic said the technology could be used in ride-sharing transportation trucking logistics even personal use vehicles Licensing with automakers public transport. There's a lot of speculation out there about what they're going to do with it He said yes to all of it. We were considering all of it Kraftjic expects the first modified Chrysler Pacifica They use the Waymo technology to be on the road in the near future Bloomberg and the information both reported that sources said alphabet hoped to have a ride-sharing service available for passengers by the end of 2017 Yeah, this feels like a graduation. It's one of those things where Google or alphabet rather the sides All right, this is ready to be tested in the market we're going to try to actually make something out of it and the interesting thing is maybe three years ago Google was doing this incredible impossible thing of dreaming of autonomous vehicles And in the interim everyone else has started doing it with actual commercial Views and intent so it seems like now incredibly Google is maybe catching up or trying to catch up to others that have Beed a little bit more commerce minded or or um, you know results minded than they have yeah, I mean part of it strikes me as Larry Page's continuing emphasis on making all of Google's other bets or alphabet rather's other bets profitable and he says hey You know what? We are going to waste a lot of money on trying to become a car manufacturer But we've got this amazing tech. Let's partner up. Let's monetize that Let's turn that into a business and we'll call it way mo because why not? Makes sense Apple started selling its bluetooth headphones Tuesday morning. The air pods have no connecting wires and sell for $159 delivery dates were listed for december 21st, but quickly slipped to january Yeah, I mean that's it's hard to tell if there's anything to that every iphone does the same thing right the first You know 100,000 people who order get a get a delivery date that's soon and everybody else slips to a month later I was I was unfortunate enough to be sleeping when they popped this out there And so I didn't get my delivery date until january 21st Well, I wasn't because I live in a place where it was already the day when that happened And so I did get them and I'm hopefully gonna be receiving them next week I'm not you know, I got them kind of because I had decided I wanted to try out that wonderful wireless future apple has been Trying to sell us. I'm not convinced. I'm super enthusiastic about it. But we'll see maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised Yeah, I can't wait to try them. I hope they deliver on the promise I also hope that you don't lose one of them before I get my first pair Now you're I'm not gonna say anything because uh, I want to jinx myself Synaptics announced its fs 9100 fingerprint scanner can be embedded under up to a millimeter of glass That means phone manufacturers could have an all glass front something that's been rumored for several upcoming models Including an iphone it also is claimed that this sensor will work well with wet fingers Something I've been wanting every time I use my tablet while I'm cooking Synaptics, oh, I thought you were going to say every time I lose my phone in the shower. Oh, I like that too. Yeah Uh, synaptics did not release many details on how this works But did say to expect the sensor to roll out in q1 with mass production beginning in q2 So we should see those these in some model of phone or other by the end of 2017 So wait a second that didn't exist already We've been hearing about these rumors forever and the technology with I can't decide again I'm very undecided uh today. It seems if this was kind of sloppy reporting on the people that we're saying I'm sure it was on the verge of happening. You know, maybe someone else is already Already has the technology out there But I'm like if someone else already had this the technology out there This doesn't necessarily mean it's big news But if they don't put it put it together, right? You're you're letting rumor mongering mess with your sense of timing There was a rumor that apple and and samsung I think we're going to have all glass fronts with sensors that were underneath the glass Synaptics at the time had this technology was likely talking to manufacturers about it But not ready to make it public No one reported on a rumor of synaptics having this technology even though it did This is synaptics saying hey everyone We are ready to announce that we have this technology Which implies that they've had it for most of this past year, right? They're just now getting to the point of saying it publicly And so you've got you've got the rumor mill on one side making it feel like this has been around for a while Whereas synaptics is actually not subject to the rumor mill So this announcement is ahead of the official announcements of any phone using this so the timeline still works No, no, of course, of course it does. But my I guess what I would have liked to see was in a you know, a companion article about these rumored magical phones with no physical, you know with the Sensor under the glass that would also say hey by the way that technology hasn't been announced yet But we suspect that it will be ready by this time. Maybe it's a detail. I'm getting hang up on But yeah, I think it might be kind of I mean they're already saying this is And this is a source telling us something that hasn't been announced yet either. So Right. Yeah, you do raise a very interesting question Which is how many other tech competing technologies are out there that do this or is it just synaptics? I'd be curious to know that snapchat added groups feature A groups feature Tuesday that lets up to 16 people share text photos and videos Snaps can be opened only twice by each member and self-delete in 24 hours You can tap on the name of anybody in a group to chat one-on-one Another new feature comes coming first to ios and later to android lets you cut out part of a snap and make it a sticker Snapchat you notice the the enthusiasm in my voice at that feature Snapchat also added an artistic filter called paintbrush for use on memories and shazam Music recognition available in the camera. So if you don't use snapchat Then this is all lost on you If you don't use snapchat to communicate with other people some people just post stories This is going to be lost on you. But if you if you're actually in there communicating with other people Sometimes it is annoying that you can't do a group chat I've definitely I use it to communicate with a couple of my friends regularly and I have to relay to eileen Oh, well, eric said this, you know, or they have to send it to two of us at once or this or that So it's nice to be able to open that up and be able to share text photos and videos I think that's that's very handy with snapchat as a communications medium the stickers that you laugh patrick, but I actually like I want to try this out. I'm sure I won't use it forever But the idea of like taking a photo of my dog and turning it into a sticker that I could then put into other photos Sounds hilarious to me Well, you're more of a snapchat user than I am that much has been made clear today Uh kuba's telecom a texas signed a deal with google to bring faster internet access to the country Google will install servers in kuba to improve connections to google services like gmail and youtube basically They want to reduce latency the agreement was signed in hirvana by eric schmidt chairman of google's parent company alphabet And it's hexa president. Myra arevich marin We are great capitalism in kuba bringing internet to the people Right, uh Ish, I mean there's all there's all kinds of wonders if the incoming administration will will will keep deals in place with kuba Uh, this is not going to have a huge effect on the average kuban who isn't allowed to have a home internet connection anyway But for those who can use it and for those who can go to public squares and use it There's better service on the way for the google services And it's certainly great for google to get their foot in the door in case this does turn into a massive internet market Yeah, I think you know gmail and youtube are really big. We're used to them now, but I think in some uh locals it's uh bigger deal and very useful and given the uh The hack together mesh networks. They have that share existing connections It might actually do something for the average internet user as well Or some of them at least Yeah, it it can't hurt. So um At this point, it's you know, it's it's a good bet for google And finally the nintendo switch live stream has been scheduled for january 12 11 p.m Eastern at nintendo.com slash twitch 11 p.m Eastern don't they they know i'll be asleep Dammit nintendo nintendo is expected to announce price and availability then the tokyo based event will Be followed by a hands-on press event in new york on january 13 The switch is due out sometime in march 2017 Yeah, so um, this is but they did this for for tokyo people. That's why it's an inconvenient times for the rest of us I guess right they they could have managed it to make it inconvenient for you guys in the u.s Yeah, I because it it actually isn't that inconvenient on the west coast right it's 8 p.m. Eastern uh pacific time So it's it may have been targeted to be convenient for japan But also not too inconvenient for the silicon valley Well, so the thing that is really striking in the last couple of weeks is how much coverage nintendo nintendo has been getting on everything and I am a big fan of course, and i'm very excited about a new console coming from the the manufacturer but They've been on every single blog with mario run and uh, even this announcement, you know, it was announced that it would be a It was announced that it would be announced in january and then in january 12 and then a bunch of articles at a certain time and like It's i'm not sure if it's pokemon go that all of a sudden make the entire Tech sphere aware of nintendo again, or if something else happened, you know, maybe they hired a new pr person That is exceedingly good at their job and knows everyone in the industry but It feels to me like this amount of coverage for The even for the new console is a little bit Strange i don't i'm not sure why everyone cares about nintendo at this point. Um I wonder this is just just theorizing if the disappointment of the wii u has a lot of people Very excited for that to pass into memory And therefore they want the nintendo switch to be great And they're very much looking forward to this announcement so that they can move on to liking a nintendo product again Yeah, it's possible It might be also that a lot of tech bloggers are you know now at the age that they are running things in Some of the the tech sites and not you know the old I don't want to be disparaging. Maybe the old cs crowd that only cares about tech tech Yeah, got it. Well, maybe um, but you know and so And with the last console the wii u actually the wii u was after the wii so it was covered as well I don't know. Maybe it's just the cycle that's coming back, but it feels a little bit like everyone's doing 15 articles about an inch of potential rumor news item about an event. They've already covered a week Yeah Actually, I think that that video that showed off the switch and the jimmy fallon appearance that happened Has showed people that this looks like a very promising Console like it's different and it but it's different in a way that makes sense versus being like the wii u unfortunately Different in a way that a lot of people didn't quite understand what they were supposed to do with it Maybe I think there's also a little bit of uh of self hyping happening I'm guessing some people don't really understand why this is a big deal But they're seeing everyone else making a big deal out of it. So they're like, oh, yeah, so Good PRing on on their side too. Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Well paul linert heather somerville and alexandria sage wrote up a story for reuters that was published today On venture capitalists sort of souring on delivery startups We're talking about startups that deliver food or pick up packages for shipping or bring you things from the convenience store 9 billion dollars has gone into 125 on-demand delivery companies over the past decade That includes two and a half billion this year. So that number makes it look like hey, it's it's doing well and getting bigger But the Reuters story notes that only 600 million has been raised In the second half of this year. So midway through the year it started to decline and in the fourth quarter it fell off a cliff The problem that these companies are having and what's scaring away investors Is that the costs are high And the consumer price you can charge is at a ceiling So the margins are thin and it doesn't get better the more you scale Uh, you still have driver churn. So you're constantly training people. You have operations people that cost money You have more support costs and they don't go away the more drivers you add and the more service you add Now the idea with these delivery companies is not that delivery is new but that apps Would cut out a large part of the logistical cost make things efficient and be easy to dispatch people That's why uber got into this because they're like, hey, we already do this. Let's just add delivery on But apparently it's not enough. So the next question patrick is can autonomous cars be the thing that saves this now Let's set aside Whether we're going to get autonomous cars that can make these services work anytime soon Autonomous cars still can't go pick up a package inside of a restaurant and they can't go up to a customer's porch That's can you hear me because my computer is entirely frozen. We don't see you anymore, but we okay All right, so I'll I'll keep talking the Obviously the first thought that everyone has is yes autonomous cars and as it is pointed out in the article and you said Yeah, but there are other logistical issues that an autonomous car is not going to solve And I don't yeah, I don't think that's gonna that's gonna unless you equip the autonomous car with a Very capable robot then that is probably not gonna help and I I don't see how this is going to become you know, I was I think it's it's uh A lot of us has been have been skeptical on these services because it's hard to To get significant margins and as they said they don't scale I I see how the uber for something which a lot of Investors are getting sourdough at this point was exciting at some point, but Uber for deliveries. I don't for food deliveries, especially It's kind of hard to see an actual business model Working out of this and it's hard to see how the advancing technology is going to help Making it more viable. So I guess I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure how Why it took so long for people to realize this wasn't viable because The problem is it's competing with existing food delivery services for the places You want to get food from already and those are going to give you a cheaper price And you don't want to pay an extra 15 bucks on a you know A Dinner that's going to cost you 30 Well, so okay, but the advantage is and I say this from experience, Patrick. Okay First of all, you don't have to go look up The place and folk you know pick up the phone and call them and talk to them and say no no no You know, yes, I really want the walnut shrimp. No the wall wall w a no you just type it all in And you get more places it will deliver from restaurants that don't do delivery So it widens your options and you know, they have sales that the the fee for delivery is usually around five dollars It's certainly always less than 10 in my experience. So yeah, it's not cheap And it's not something that I personally want to do all the time But when there's that one night where you just don't want to cook and you don't want to leave the house Like all right, I'll fork over an extra five bucks to get ruts Hawaiian Brought to me because they don't do delivery Sure, uh, I I would suggest that you can usually find a delivery thing that does Delivery that you'll probably be happy enough with and even more important you and I are Maybe but even more important five bucks. I can put in But how is anyone going to be making a living and having the company make a living on five bucks for what is I I'm guessing difficult to make less than what 20 30 minutes of work That isn't viable and that's a problem of you know cost and revenue and and profits And that again that doesn't scale. It doesn't mean you can't Make that problem go away by increasing Your your market So I don't and the problem comes I think and this is why uber I think has a little bit of an advantage I want to talk about that in a second the problem comes that You you have a driver who is out there like I'm working for door dash And I'm going to go to the kfc and pick up some chicken and bring it to a person's house Door dash can make money when that driver now delivers three or four meals On the same route So that the driver's time doesn't increase dramatically But they they get more delivery fees and that driver hopefully picks up a few extra tips on top of its regular rate that causes huge logistical problems and You have to be a company like uber that can handle a lot of cars in motion all the time to be able to Kind of finely slice that service and make it turn a profit uber not only has the existing ride system They also own auto Which is devoted to shipping logistics mapping and tracking for trucks But this roider ars article points out they could apply that to deliveries and maybe be able to make it scale Honestly, I don't see how this is Yes in a in an ideal wonderful world of logistical Perfectness you are going to have three or four people that order from the same place And that you're going to be able to deliver on one ride well not in the same place It's it's it's like hey, these are all in the same area. So you pick up all the meals and then deliver all the people You really think that happens that does happen. I've I've seen it happen. Yeah on a on a wide enough Basis that you can base your entire business the idea, right? That's what all these companies are betting on is we can get enough people using this service to do it And that's why uber has the advantage to say like when we already got the cars out there, right? So, yes, I think another Potential explanation is a lot of people were very excited about the idea of I'm gonna do the uber for this And they thought everyone has to eat right and no one bothered to do the math and to study the actual feasibility of it And I understand that to some extent jumping into a startup and investing is kind of You know betting on the unknown and on the possibility But this one and maybe you know someone is going to come up with a way of making it actually work and and going to make a huge idiot out of me, which Has been known to happen But it certainly seems to me like there was a lot more enthusiasm than realism in this particular type of venture So and the way it has died down in the latter part of the year To me the way I interpret it is They they stopped for a second after the uber for something crazed Settled down a little bit and they were like wait What are we doing now and looked at the that the numbers and figured out Maybe we'll let someone else figure that one out if it is possible I think venture capitalists get really angry at that kind of argument all the time because These investors do a lot of math They do a lot of looking and I know I know there are verified stories of stupid things happening like you're talking about But most of them look at the books and and now more than ever They're saying no you you have to actually make a return for us to invest in you So Yeah, probably a lot of these did get some funding based on somebody saying hey, it's the hot new thing Let's pour some money into it But I bet plenty of them did the math and thought hey, it's a reasonable bet Let's see if it can happen and there are companies like door dash who are still Able to get funding rounds because they're still able to say hey, we're we're out there making deliveries We still think we have a shot to do this Is door dash delivering food though? Yeah Okay, sorry. Well, okay, maybe they will make it happen. Oh, well, there you go Maybe that makes all the difference. I don't know I think uber has the big advantage though They have 15 billion dollars in cash. They have all these ancillary businesses that can have benefits For this type of service without requiring you my big the big reason I like to use uber over door dash Is because they they show me the car That's a huge advantage to me if i'm ordering food to know like oh there they are they're very close Whereas with a lot of these other services and certainly if you call the pizza place and ask them to To deliver you never know when they're going to show up. So Yeah, and I think uber is a special case here. They're already so big. They have so many So much Capabilities for the other parts of their business and so much cash. They can sort of experiment with this It's a small well not a small but a side Business trial for them whereas for a company that based that that does You know bases their entire business of this. It's a lot more challenging to actually achieve. I think Yeah, I I agree with that and One last side note before this we may see That a lot of these companies either fold or get acquired by or their employees end up working for the ride Uh, the autonomous ride services that are we're consistently seeing people saying yeah, I'm going to launch it in 2017 I'm going to launch it in 2018 Uh, that may be aggressive in its in its hopefulness But if we start to see alphabet and waymo providing a service by the end of next year if we see uber expanded to san francisco Which seen at just today found a warehouse full of uber self-driving cars that appear to be ready to launch We may start to see those services saying hey, well, let's partner up Uh, so so yeah, we'll probably still need to figure out that that last that last 10 feet Uh, but uber usually makes you come out and and get the food from their car anyway Uh, and you've got that service that's escaping me from estonia that has autonomous robots Delivering the food with a lock box. So maybe there's something along those lines I bet that that can be figured out And I bet that is the future of these services The yeah, how far that future is is the big question. I see that is yeah All right, let's get to some messages of the day last week We talked about amazon go the convenience store where you don't have to do anything You just pick up stuff and walk out and it charges you it just has to know who you are in the way in Yesterday we talked about panasonic or yeah, was it panasonic? I think uh, who is doing a Checkout system where you just put things into a basket. You don't have to do any scanning Well, a lot of people said hey, I shop at a place that has something very close to that already We start with a voicemail from desmond. Hey, tom and friends I was listening to monday december 12th show and you guys were Talking about the new checkout system in japan I used to live in stanton virginia in the local little tiny Um town that the local martin's grocery store had a great checkout system where you Scanned your shoppers card when you first checked in you got a little scanner you went around the grocery store And everything you put in your basket you scanned and then when you went to checkout you just scanned your card again Returned to the scanner and paid and that was it. It was real simple It was awesome And every so often they would check your bag just to see if it was working and that was all anyways, love the show Thank you desmond. Maurice wrote in as did a few other people to point out that sam's clubs warehouse stores here in the us also have a similar system where you scan The upc with an app and the app knows you're in the store with geolocation And then toby Said the lawson's automated bagging makes me think of the self checkout increasingly being used in the uk You scan on the supplied handheld scanner as you place the items into your own bags Pay with apple pay at unsupervised checkout exits. No rebagging or transfer required So Apparently this this is a thing that is widespread across the globe And I believe that is the exact thing I talked about last tuesday when someone Mentioned something like that on on the show as well as a comment All of these are interesting indeed. Um, we did have one in france very similar. I think 10 15 years ago With the little handheld scanner thing the difference though and what makes the amazon go story interesting is that you don't need the scanner thing or any form of You know accounting for the items you're picking up In the store It does that by itself through You know sensors and cameras and machine learning and all of that beautiful technology stuff So you can just go pick them up and walk out and that's the Clever interesting thing if it was just You know, you had a scanner and you had to scan them and put them in your in your basket As everyone pointed out it already exists Yeah, well and even the panasonic one is a step up because you don't have to scan anything. You just put it in the basket Yeah, exactly. So it's a half step towards what amazon's got going on Brian aka electronic eagle checked his mailbox this morning and nissan leaf owners finally received an update on the 2g telecom unit That will stop working on december 31st getting pretty close there He says I have mixed feelings about shelling out 199 bucks But really wonder why they waited until mid december to disclose this plan The turnoff date was set more than a year before I purchased the car in 2014 in the past two years I've spent $29 total in maintenance on the car and nothing in gas. So I really shouldn't complain But I get you man If they're charging you 199 bucks to replace an element of your car that they decided to sunset I mean, I guess 2g service is just going away. But still they mentioned two years ago that it was going to go away So and he knew it when he bought the car, I suppose it is cutting it way close on the solution Yeah, it is Rich from lovely cleveland just saw an article from the register that came out last night that See, uh, yes, cisco is getting rid of its intercloud Service the public cloud market is rapidly shrinking says rich with aws dominant and as you're around to pick up the still profitable slack Hpe sold its open stack assets to susa last month and now cisco kills their effort A lot of players are moving into specialized niches hpe is focusing on cloud storage For example, cisco wants to move into hybrid cloud service But it seems the players for overall cloud computing are really narrowing. I thought this was an interesting enterprise focused story aws is eating everything. Yeah, it's eating the world and uh, ssnapier in our analyst slack notes that a story that security camera company hick vision is ending its cloud service caught his eye Hick vision said it will discontinue online service to uh, due to a security vulnerability and ipvm says, yeah, that's our Security vulnerability. That's why they're discontinuing this service. We discovered it Ssnapier notes. Hick vision is a very large player in the residential and small business security industry They white box for a ton of brands at least two dozen that he knows of Most of the stuff you see at the big box stores is made by hick vision or dahua. No matter what the box says Uh, so if you're buying a security camera Probably had hick vision in it if it didn't it had the other one And if you did have a hick vision camera, is that a problem now? No, they're transitioning you to a different service Uh, but it is it is kind of a big deal. 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Get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover All right Cool. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't know what happened. Yeah, sorry about your camera I just turned your video off. So I don't know if it came back Because no no no my when I turned your video off it put your Icon face Yeah, the thing is actually completely frozen. I have control over the mouse And nothing else the uh touch bar is frozen the nothing works. I suspect Uh, either Steve jobs didn't like what I was saying or uh, the ghost of Steve jobs got you chrome Chrome is so I'm gonna I'm gonna hard reboot. Okay. Um, and I'll I'll be back for the prediction show Sounds good. All right. Cool. Thanks. Thanks. Patrick. Bye guys Um, it's really going on He's having a big blogger party there. I I haven't oh All right, I'm pressing the button. All right, thanks about it. Do it any second now Yeah, what do we got for titles Roger? Uh meals on wheels for people are pretty perfectly able to drive Delivery in zero zero zero zero zero one one one one zero minutes or less Uh fiber and protein to the door kung pao drone self-driving food self-driving pizza waymo traffic Waymo money mo profits I think we've done something like that before Yeah, mo mo mo jokes have have been in the titles a few times Alphabet alphabets waymo child companies Alphabets is pretty good Alphabetting this on the future does alphabet dream of autonomous vehicle. I also like self-driving food I do self-driving food is good. I like that one I also like his other one the kung pao drone Yeah, we didn't really talk about drones though. We should have yeah All right, then self-driving food All right done I'm imagining if that's the case they're gonna take one of those little, um What's the little four transit connect ones and they're just gonna totally outfit it with like little love food heaters So when you get something hot, I'll keep it warm Yeah, they could well. That's what that Estonian company is doing It's basically a food heater on robotic wheels and it just trundles down the sidewalk What if it had a built-in? Dr. Wheel drone that comes out and goes straight to your door and hits the button ding dong Yeah, so so the self-driving car brings the food the drone picks it up out of the car And that way it doesn't ever go up high and it involves faa rules. It just goes up your driveway Problem there is and we did get into this. There's also like hey, I live in a dorm room on the locked fifth floor What you know if they have a window this is great if they have a window You know how you put up that little shelf thing for air conditioners You know you have a window or conditioner and you have to put a little thing You can put a little pad there like a little a landing pad. Yeah, like a little drone pad Yeah, but that's gonna be a break-on except on on uh onboarding That's gonna stop people from wanting to do it like I don't want to have to put a landing pad out I'm not gonna use that service fine hire someone to get out of the car after it drives there I know right like and then it's like well, you then you haven't saved anything But it's all have them drive themselves Maybe you can get kids. They were the food aviation administration Get that hilariously draw the food and drone administration the FDA Oh big Jim says you could just use an RC car You could you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to fly it But that wouldn't help with the guy on the fifth floor Oh and Shane says that then the companies can give you the landing pad for free So maybe that's how they get you is that like the razor model the razor's free, but the way yeah Well, I don't want to go with another service. I already have this You know knots is like they'll just text you and you go outside for 15 seconds That's essentially what uber does with uber eats I just tell you hey your food's here go out and get it Well, you know what will happen is newer buildings will have basically a large funnel on the roof And then it drops it does drop your food down. Yeah right into your mouth But no like you know how like um at your condo you have that garbage thing the garbage shoot. Yeah It's just you have one for the food Food shoot. Yeah What if we uh, what if we go even further back in time and we use uh, one of those called pneumatic tubes? Yes Yeah pneumatic tubes where they just put the food in a pneumatic tube and then press the the Room number that it needs to go to that would be great Here's the problem with all of these is as entertaining as they are The problem is logistics and and and cost and these are all making things logistically more difficult and costing When we build the new city tom will build that we'll build that infrastructure straight anything that starts with We'll have to build something new that is not on the client side Or on the provider side is is probably not gonna work I'll get I'll get a bench of h1b visas and then get programmers to come out and deliver you food by hand I think that's called door-dash. I think that's what they're doing now I think that's essentially what that what was that movie with the rc car that would drive under other cars and explode Oh, that was bad. We um the movie was they weren't rc cars They were little road drones and the movie was runaway featured tom selic And uh, who's the lead singer from kiss gene simmonds as the baddie? And this is cool that movie actually featured one of the first uses of little aerial drones uh to basically work as Uh remote eyes for police so they would send one in they would send Thought they called it a floater and would go into a house And it would fly in and they could see remotely with the uh with with the uh drone would see it's pretty awesome They're little spider bots and stuff Yeah, I have to say when I'm trying to think back when I was in the dorms at the University of Illinois and granted This was an ancient times Uh in 1988 We just went downstairs. You ordered grog's pizza delivery. You just went downstairs They would ring they would ring a buzzer and be like, hey, we're here And then you go downstairs and get it. So I don't see why with self-driving car I couldn't just text you like the apple say hey Things here go put in this code in the door and then you can get your food I don't know. Maybe people learn how to cook Well, I don't you know be wouldn't we be interesting if you basically have A fridge stock with like the 10 or 12 ingredients you need and all you do is just download A recipe and the thing makes it for you. Well, there's there's that's a whole different industry And there's lots of people trying to work on that right now And you should eat oatmeal and be done with it like you're like every other college student for four years oatmeal mac and cheese ramen noodles Min bar Oh the mini bar. I thought you meant min bars and The home world of the min barry Babylon 5 I never watched bad. I mean I watched the pilot of Babylon 5. I never watched the whole Skip the first season although you'll need it to understand the second third and fourth and possibly the fifth season So I can't skip It's just the first season except for a couple of the actors the acting is really bad. It gets better when they replace The lead character with uh bruce boxlater Hmm Wait, what's a way bad idea the the mac and cheese and hot oatmeal and ramen I'm trying to change that he ate spaghetti in a jar and uh, I did I definitely did that too my my go-to uh cheap food was package of of spaghetti noodles And a jar of tomato sauce Carl buttock meats And the cheapest bread I could get And then uh craft macaroni and cheese And then I sometimes I'd buy broccoli Like fresh fresh broccoli to put into either the spaghetti or the mac and cheese to get me a vegetable ate a lot of cold cuts in soup I did some tomato soup. I do grilled cheese and tomato soup with like, um I would never get the uh craft slices because I had those when I had tonsillitis as a kid and I hated them So I'd try to find other cheap cheeses or the grilled cheese I ended up basically just buying a sack of rice and then ordering chinese food Oh, yeah, I do rice and beans a lot too because the rice stretches and then the chinese food is mostly vegetables So it's not too bad for you Um, it's pretty filling. You mean you'll be hungry by morning I did ramen a little bit, but honestly, uh, I didn't I didn't like it. It didn't fill me up enough. I needed uh, I needed more of a protein in there You're burning calories, Tom. Yeah Back then I was Not anymore Uh Well, it's easier to do a lot of things when you're young when I was when I was in college. I was working 25 30 hours a week Oh, yeah, tuna big Jim mentions tuna. I did I did tuna I would put tuna in my spaghetti and in my macaroni and cheese I was very suspicious of canned tuna for the longest time. Really? I mean, I eat a lot of it as a kid, but I thought it was stalking you I thought I was just dolphin meat and so I was like, I don't want that. Oh, you didn't think it was actually tuna So what I mean if it was dolphin meat, it's still protein Ethically, it might be a problem, but Well, it's high mercury content. Well, they're all high mercury content. That's yeah Uh, I also did uh, I did tacos. I would buy a can of refried beans and then a can of olives and a can Everything was canned that went into it and then then some shredded cheese That would be when I was splurging though because that was a little more expensive when I got my job at the exploratorium I finally shifted all my cooking to The rice cooker and the crock pot and so I'd buy a bunch of cheap Cheap meat, but like the tougher cuts of of meat Throw that in I'd throw in like a bunch of carrots potatoes spinach Mushrooms and let it cook and I could feed me for like four days Yeah, G peg says was there no on-campus dining? This is after on-campus dining. First of all, they They didn't always serve dinner. They didn't serve breakfast. I don't think It was expensive. Yeah I was but but but I'm talking about when I when I lived on my own after college Oh, when I did that recipes are coming from after college I had my job at tech TV. So I upgraded to grocery shopping every two weeks Yeah, I could afford to I could afford to Eat more fresh vegetables for Part of it was just that was I didn't really have a lot of time I was working 60 plus hours a week at that point. Oh, yeah. No, I uh, I I I had a budget of 90 dollars a month for groceries You know, you know what saved my bacon Literally bacon. It was uh Costco buying buying bacon. I'll just give you a Costco card Like I could load up on all sorts of like I would load up on four loads of bread. I'd throw that in the freezer Oh, yeah, that's like I just throw every I I would stay away from a lot of the um Uh red meat stuff, but like some of the other stuff I tried to do the beans and rice pot and eat it all week Uh a lot, but it didn't always work And see by the time I got my job at tech TV I was making more than I had made in Austin So I was able to upgrade to eating out every once in a while instead of having to eat at home And if we didn't eat that I think that a lot I ordered it and I ordered in cheap chinese food That's a great thing about chinese restaurants Like you can go low buck and it gently is okay My my big thing at sea net was to find lunch places that didn't cost me more than five dollars for lunch And there was the curry place across the street. I'll carry the hurry Yeah, there was the quiz nose. There was the toaster oven Subway toaster oven was expensive toaster oven was mostly expensive. They had a couple of things for five dollars on the menu Um, but the one that I I ended up going the most often was the the deli. I can't remember the deli now With the hot bar of chinese food Is that the one across the street? Is that lee's lee's deli? Yeah, lee's hot. Yeah, everyone got a lot of steam table I could always do lee's for less than five bucks That's a problem. I eat a lot. I eat a lot at lunch to offset the fact. I don't eat breakfast Yeah, see that's why they call breakfast the most important meal of the day even though it's not Really the most important meal of the day is to put up hungry Yeah, apparently the whole most important meal of the day has no evidence to support it We went with uh self-driving food We did It's the top pick Self-driving food. Yep. It's in there. I'm about to publish it. As a matter of fact Publish it I'm trying to get the right Link here for self-driving food You know jason, it's uh, I I actually tend to Look at a lot of online reviews with a great deal of skepticism I tend to cross-reference it with multiple sources You realize you're once again responding to someone with the rest of us not understanding what you're responding to Sorry, sorry I can't help it I've been eating lunch yet. Jason Bryant is tired of unethical things. He wrote a dirtier word than that But that's because he's mad I'm explaining what you're responding to. I'm assuming that's what you're responding to. Yes All right, Mongolian food is good spicy Okay, uh, that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show it is all published and everything Awesome, and then tomorrow we're back with ben johnson from code breaker. I said that right, right? Oh, you said Ben. Yeah ben johnson from marketplace I did I thought I said code breaker did you Well, either either case is not incorrect Code breaker is on marketplace for marketplace I said code breaker. I just checked. All right. Not the marketplace would have been wrong, but Okay, thank you all for watching And listening