 The path of progress is not linear it kind of looks like a jagged if you're lucky step ladder what does that mean two steps forward one step back sometimes two step backs okay so why do we end up stopping most of us understand this here's why you mess up then you feel bad about messing up then you feel bad about feeling bad the shame spiral you get into that spiral and all those things you do to comfort yourself like eat hyper palatable foods maybe lay down on the couch watch TV distract yourself become that much more alluring so look here's the deal you're gonna mess up everybody does don't get stuck in the shame spiral I think said it best was Paul Abdul two steps forward two steps back oh my god you remember that oh my god come on guys I used to love her I actually haven't thought about it I did too did you massive yeah yeah me too busits attract no you guys you guys remember coaching clients and how like you know this would pop up right they would they'd be like oh I'm doing so good I'm so consistent and they come back like oh this weekend I totally screwed up but then they'd be feel bad about the screw up then they feel bad about feeling bad and then it was like really hard to get them back in the groove and then you know personally I experienced that myself not with fitness and nutrition but with other aspects were like I'm you know I'm trying to do some growth and then I screw up and I get stuck in this swirl of like oh yeah you hit a wall I mean like you said it's not linear there's so many systems and things to account for with your body and you know you you can't just apply the same formula over and over again unfortunately but it also makes it interesting and dynamic so this is a this is part of the equation when I talked to clients about how often we should do you know body fat test and then recalibrate right and we just had a live caller I think it was when I had brought this up and said that you know don't adjust after one bad body fat test and that was just kind of a rule that I had when I was competing and I was tracking this so consistently is like because I I knew that I was I was calculating everything and I knew that like okay this is the plan this is and it should math should work out but just sometimes it you know because of things like sodium water maybe in this in your case what you're talking about just a couple bad days of dieting and or missing your workout and you could get this bad reading you know or even a little bit of air combination of all of them and then you get this bad body fat test or result you know after two weeks of work and you think that it's got to go in this direction always and then it does it and then you either one you go oh fuck it all forget it and get spiral or you go course correct and like adjust and normally over correct and so I always made this rule that I had to have two you know negative tests in a row to get me to switch directions because of the natural ebb and flow of this it's interesting to how much easier to give other people grace when they screw up but then when yourself it's like you know you'll come down so hard on yourself and what the part of this I think that's most so important is when you look at a person's relationship to food and let's say exercise one of the guaranteed ways to ensure that you'll fail is if you eat and exercise because you hate yourself if you hate yourself then then diet becomes restrictive and at some point you end up rebelling going the other direction then you want to comfort yourself with food and exercise is a punishment and eventually you'll want to stop punishing yourself and so you'll say I want to enjoy myself I don't want to work out anymore it's this this shame spiral and I know it's easier said than done but I think what used to help me at least with clients is I would tell them ahead of time here's what's going to happen you're going to be consistent you're going to stumble everybody does nobody is perfect and when you do stumble it's important you give yourself grace and that we just continue moving forward but if you dwell on the fact that you screwed up or messed up or that you weren't able to progress as fast as you'd wanted if you dwell on that then all those behaviors those comforting behaviors as distracting behaviors or those self punishment behaviors they become so strong and they start to want to take over and it just it doesn't work it doesn't work long term in the long term it turns into running away from or just I mean gosh if you're one of those people that just endlessly punishes yourself well then you'll become orthorexic with your diet or over-train with your workouts which is what we run to with people in our space but a lot of people don't talk about this a lot of trainers and coaches don't talk about this with their clients and they need to this is why clients do so well and then just disappear if you're a trainer and you experiences we're like yeah I do really well with clients and then after six months I tend to lose them and they're gone and then you tell yourself well it's because they're not disciplined that's probably not what the issue is it's interesting because it's it's also like it's the right dose because you do have to recognize as a signal like there's need for change yes and so you have to respond by you know applying something that's you know beneficial for you but at the same time not punish and beat yourself down to the point where it's it's completely detrimental if you go all in on that perspective I think the biggest problem and it speaks to the point you're making is our expectations are unbelievably skewed and this to me is what made the the difference between good coaches and great coaches with the coaches that were able to lay out the correct expectations of a journey we're we're marketed to that you know look this way in 30 days or take this pill and look at these great and like the biggest loser results and we have so much information that's circulating around how quick you can do something and the reality is like the clients that you change their lives fundamentally like it was never overnight it was never 30 days or even 60 days it's like a year yeah it's just lifelong pursuit that takes a really long time to see these huge changes that you want to see and I think too many coaches and trainers fall into the marketing trap of selling these clients on the idea that I can get you there really quick because it's gains them the client initially and then they fail to have that conversation until it comes up where they're like the client's now frustrated it's four to six weeks later and I'm like hey I haven't lost any weight or I even gained weight or I've only lost two pounds and they're frustrated because their expectations were not set and the best coaches and trainers have this ability to sit down with the client and say listen I I know you want this I know people have told you this I know that there's examples that you might even know of this but the reality is this is more what it looks like this is what we should expect and to not get discouraged when it when that doesn't happen because that's just part of this I be as a trainer I became so much more successful with my clients when I was able to give them and show them grace consistently like they'd come to me and they'd say oh man I went on vacation selling I I know you gave me a workout I didn't do a single workout eight terribly and I would respond to be like did you enjoy yourself oh yeah I had a lot of fun that's awesome you know that's great I'm glad you enjoyed yourself by the way most people that work out were on their vacation I gave them to you but you didn't have to do it yeah and to be honest with you you had a good time so that's great let's move forward and when they would hear that from me even when it would happen repeatedly that and by the way this doesn't mean lying to your client you're also honest with them because then if they come back like why am I getting great results well I mean we're taking a few steps back which is totally expected it's tough it's challenging but you're moving in the right direction when I learned how to do that with my clients and show them that they would they would they were able to show it to themselves a little bit and they would come to me because here's what happens when you don't do that and if you don't do this for yourself this will happen either A you'll you'll turn the steering wheel the opposite direction so hard that you end up spinning out right you over correct or B this is what I do if I get stuck on a shame spiral I run I don't want to deal with that anymore I'm not doing that anymore that's not for me I'm gonna go over here or I'll pretend like it rebel against it rebel against it so it's it's a it's a really hard one to get around but showing yourself grace I'm one of the best strategies I found is to put it outside of myself like how would I treat someone else that I cared about that was going through this would I really be speaking to them in this way because otherwise I'll get stuck in this like all day you know beat yourself down type of scenario that just not only does it not work I think you said what you said Justin was brilliant you have to stop at some point and ask yourself is this helping me what I'm doing I know I messed up yeah but now it's been three hours of me beating myself up is this helping me or just slowing me down well it's a really hard thing to zoom out it's a it's a hard thing to to view yourself uh in your journey um with longevity a lot of people like it's transactional it's every day it's what I like my repeated patterns that I just see today I just see this going on right now and I'm failing you know and so it's just like you get stuck in this uh you know in this pit uh and if you if you can just zoom out and see that there's there's there's pits all along the journey but you're still moving making progress and in you know the broader perspective is uh the amount of times that you're you're doing well like supersedes all these little pitfalls today's program giveaways maps power lift here's how you can enter to win leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications if you win we'll let you know in the comment section also our sale this month huge maps and a ballack half off maps and a ballack advanced also half off if you're interested click on the link at the top of the description below all right back to the show so speaking for coaches and trainers are we getting worse or better at this generally yeah like this is obviously a conversation we've known about for 20 years that's a good question okay and we've been working on ourselves as coaches and trainers to be better at that your peers today when you look at the landscape and the overall trainer-client relationship are we getting better or worse at this that's a hard thing a hard question to answer because there may be a self-selection bias of the trainers and coaches that we know through listening to our show because the ones that we talked to seem to be pretty damn good at this and they talk about this a lot you know but i don't know generally what that looks like across the the training the problem is a lot of trainers or trainers because they have a lot of issues with exercise and diet themselves and so what happens is you tend to project your the things you hate about yourself on the other person so let's say you yourself are like you hate the way you look so you became a trainer you're really obsessed with exercise and then you're training someone else and they screw up a couple times you may project how you feel about yourself on then how dare you get on there you may you almost always do because that's what you know yeah you stick with that well so and this is why i proposed the question because in the last decade we've created a whole new market of trainers that didn't even exist before and this market of trainers predominantly are the trainers who had social media presence they got incredibly and maybe they weren't even trainers before they were just people who got in incredible shape whether somebody impacted their life or they got ripped or they got a lot of attention because of the way they look and then they thought man so many people are asking me to help them i should help them or i can make a business isn't that interesting like back in the day it was the the most jack guy in the gym now suddenly they're just propelled out there through social media they're like looked at as as the guy that has all the answers i mean i would love to talk to a company like nasm and hear the statistics on how many of these coaches and trainers are like in person or like in facilities or like online or like what do i tell you i was just got off the phone with them do you know you guys know what they have so one of the so we started working with nasm as partners because we met a couple of their representatives uh at the arnold i'm sorry at the olympia and um uh we we've of course we've been familiar with nasm for a long time it was the first certification all of us got back in the day and they they're like the gold standard right of national certifications when we sat down and talked with these guys we had no idea of all the things that nasm now offers including what i'm about to tell you i'm going to pull it up just so i don't mess up but they are not just like ahead of the curve they are they're they're leaders in this let me let me go over to what what they have right now so they have something called so trip off this it's called nasm one okay you pay a membership fee 35 bucks a month okay with this and that's it's a year so you pay 35 a month for a year here's what you get 50 off all the major certifications so that already pays for itself there's sir you have 50 off if you're a member then they have hundreds of ceu courses available through this all available unlimited for free so you can go on there what an interesting model because okay so that's $420 a year if you get 50 off of their certifications most of certifications are around a thousand dollars oh it pays for itself yeah that's a wow so we have virtual code courses that you could basically see us yeah ceus get credit for hundreds hundreds and you can and they're unlimited included with this that's smart okay well it gets crazier so this is where i'd like i'm on the phone with them and i'm like oh you guys first of all this is crazy second of all nobody knows about this and they're like that's what we're working with you guys so i'm like okay so they also have an app that comes with it the app is designed to have you monitor and manage your business your your clients oh wow your their workouts like trainer eyes their diets their macros it allows you to take payments that's perfect allows you to take payments yeah like trainer you also can do video conference calls with them that's all included in this all included wow i'm surprised more certifications haven't done that yeah that's a perfect fit 35 bucks you know how brilliant so listen listen to how smart business wise how smart this is okay it's a no-brainer because you basically save the money on the what you would buy certification and then they keep you in there because you have you're managing all your clients there and they're so you're competing with trainer eyes and then on top of that you're this certification course they discounted enough to basically pay for itself if you get if you're thinking about getting one certification you may as well do this because it's going to pay for so you also have now access to the ceus which keep them renewed which would cost you money to go do those anyways like what a yeah by the way app at all in by the way it's cheaper than all the other apps that's just the app remember forget the certificate all the education they offer yeah 35 bucks a month is cheaper than the other apps that you would use to do all that stuff that's exciting that's cool right plus ready for this so at the end of the call they're like oh one more thing no limit to the amount of clients you can manage in this app yeah you know the other cert that's why yeah so you could build your online business take payments manage your clients manage their schedule manage their workouts their diet you could uh they have a library of exercises you could send them you could do they already have them you know it's it's like like crazy it's so exciting and unfortunate at the same time like uh you know this is a little sharing a little bit more than the audience probably needs to know but we have several friends uh outside of an asm that are building apps that are basically going to do all this stuff and when you have someone like that like an asm this is why the app world's so scary to me yeah because what our friends we have friends that are building really cool trainer type apps that of course been in conversation with us for some of them over over a couple years some of them recently and it's very interesting to us but then i see something like this like an asm you can't compete with them because they're going there for the education anyways yes yeah so so makes so unfortunate for our friends to see something like this but really exciting for an asm great for the user right that's yeah and for the consumer for the audience who's listening who's a potential client so this is why they're working with us because any asm has a problem of of the the space not knowing all the stuff that they have to offer they kind of were relying on their the their laurels in the past and the fact that they were such a great national sir and i think that's all trainers and coaches new trainers and coaches think that they are oh it's a national sir really good everybody says they're good but no no if you look at the ceo's there's all kinds of stuff you can learn in there and then this app and this new service 35 bucks a month i mean that's good luck when i got i told him on the phone i'm like you guys just you're gonna crush everybody yeah no it was the flood crazy that's what i mean if you're gonna get a certification that is you save the money right in the first year it's a no-brainer yeah it's a hundred percent no-brainer awesome is that just go live is that how new is that relatively new yeah relatively new oh there's live right now here just pull it out don't pull it up right now it's called an asm one let me get some one membership yep wow yeah and they're gonna capture i mean like i said i can't think of anybody that comes close i can't wait to hear i bet we already have some trainers that are already in there then that uh i want to hear some feedback what i'm most curious about because trainer eyes is probably would you say just in the most popular workout business yeah coach app i'd like to hear somebody's uh feedback that has utilized both in here the comparison because i tell you what if they can if they're if their ui is as good or better than theirs with all the other offerings that they're having right now they're i mean talk about just taking over yeah and i think trainer eyes is much more expensive it is it's more it's more expensive and i think trainer eyes is based off of how many clients you have so i think it goes up as you manage more it's been a long time since i've been through that app so i'm not sure what it is now there's yeah and there's a few other areas there oh you also get unlimited retests so if you need to take a retest on this search it's keep you keep you keep learning oh really yeah oh interesting yeah there's so much that i'm not even covering because there's so much there uh but i'm going to keep learning about what the what they have to offer yeah look at look at look at so it does go up as you go that's trainer eyes yeah yeah grow and pro five and then studio plus i'm not sure what studio plus offers but yep that's wild anyway i want to ask you guys uh so my three-year-old i've seen this happen now many times he's only three but he's genuinely like he flirts with like he really likes i think mass does too yeah so first we started seeing this trip to see it happen at such a young age three does yeah oh so my daughter's friend they're you know 14 whenever she comes over he acts so weird and then he wants to make her laugh and then he wants to tease her and he wants to do all this stuff and you know he goes up to hug her or whatever and we saw that with her right well doug came over for dinner last night brought brie his daughter over and there my son right away just enamored by oh right away well he's teasing her right he's like she's trying to mess with her and then he like touches her and then he goes over and he grabs her arms so that she'll he like makes her like hug him you know and then he'll he'll run and if she laughs then he's gonna do whatever he did like 15 times in a row and i'm like oh my god this is yeah this is hilarious why is he so flirty sorry he's only three dude it's so funny i'm so cute i max is very similar like that yeah yeah and you know i love it though you don't say that he's just got this one of the things i was afraid of was you know i had a i had a boy in the middle of this covet thing right and it's a very important developmental ages right or stage of their life and so i was one of the things that i was uh most fearful of i guess you could say when this was going on was i told katrina like oh man i hope that our son doesn't develop this kind of social awkwardness because at the age is that he's supposed to be interacting with people that he's not around them and i mean obviously that's not the case at all like i thought that and katrina always like said come on hunt you guys have such a big family well we have a big family and katrin is like that literally like one of the things that her and i share in common is that trait right is this like social butterfly friends with lots of people like not afraid to communicate say how we feel and stuff like so she's like he's got both of us in him like do you really think that's possible i don't know like i this is a perfect example of is this one of these like things that is more you know genetic or is it more a learned behavior with kids like and he's the opposite of that like he's like knows everybody and even when we lose school but it's definitely girls like he's like friends with so funny he's like he gets along with other boys like because he's easy to get along with like he doesn't fight for the toys he's like shares whatever so but i think that's also why the girls love him so much and so when he leaves i just picked him up from school the other day it's so funny because it's like you know they they have this normally when i'm picking them up that this is when they kind of have their outside recess time and and they they mix two or three classes because his class is very small right only 17 kids but then during the recess time there's they have like three different classes so you know like 40 kids or so are out there and when i when i leave it's like all the girls come running up to the fence bye max like out of their way to say oh yeah and he's oh bye walking over catching their hands to the fans oh yeah dude it's like and i just stand there and let him do it fan base yeah i don't even like interrupt it i just let him do his thing each girl comes over bye max bye max you know it's so funny i'm like oh my god such a weird thing too to be like is it dead like all brown you're living like this yeah yeah yeah he's gonna be just fine yeah he's gonna be all right he's gonna be all right the moms of the kids are like who's this max yeah i mean oh that's his dad it's this max guy oh i see it no dude it's really cool to see i tell you what i got something for you guys speaking of max and our boys and stuff that i i'm sure you guys have experienced so uh i think it was saturday morning this isn't often this happens when like both Katrina and i are just really tired in the morning and you know max is like awake right and so he's now at this age where we can be like turn on some cartoons or you go get yourself some banana like send him away to do this stuff like that and i'm like Katrina's got her eye mask on i'm like in and i'll have a sleep and he's like up talking and doing this stuff like that and i'm hungry because you're like go downstairs you get yourself a banana right so he goes downstairs feeds himself a banana comes back up and he's moving around i could tell and she's like max i can tell you to go to the bathroom go to the bathroom okay so he gets up he goes run to the bathroom and he comes back and and he goes mommy my wiener wouldn't go down uh so you can't help but you're laying there half asleep go like fuck i don't even want to get up and see what this bathroom looks like you know just picturing him trying to pee in the toilet you know what i'm saying because he's really good like he's like he stands and he's actually most times really good but i know if that thing's you know fully erect no it's going boner piss yeah yeah it's it's going even dad has a hard time controlling that what i'm saying like so i know there's no way he's he's controlling that it's all over the place so i'm just laying there in bed i know Katrina and i both they say like god man who's going to get up and go check out did he miss yeah of course he did it was everyone all over the i mean he got some of it in the toilet but most of it was everyone else that's so funny oh boy so i'm laughing yeah can't be mad at him you know what i'm saying that's a real thing boys what are you doing boys you know the other thing that was interesting for me for this weekend was you know we're getting used to this new schedule for us right and one of the things i've loved about it is it's freed up some time to get into other pieces of the business and and i think that's a thing that i've definitely gone back and forth with Doug and talked about how much we appreciate the recording schedule the way it is now and uh it's and it something i did this weekend that i just didn't realize i really haven't done much of in a long time which is like engage on social media and youtube and look at the and recomb like bro so fucking unhealthy yeah like it ruined my day it really was like i i was doing it because i'm like oh i should do this ghost man yeah i need i need to do this like i you know it's been a while since i've like checked up on how things are trending on on each platform and comment on comments and like and i was just like i i caught myself at one not only getting sucked into it for a couple hours but then afterwards just feeling i was just in a bad mood all day and i'm like god yeah so unhealthy man well real life has checks and balances like if you're in a room and you and you hear someone make a comment you're like i don't like that you gotta do you gotta walk up to them you gotta like okay are they gonna are they gonna react to me saying this there's other people around and i think i'll keep it to myself social media you just say what the hell you want and you're fine and so it ends up happening it and then the worst your comment is the more attention it gets so it feeds into that antisocial behavior and you even know if it's a real person yeah it can very well be a bot you know how many times it happens to me where it's i'll they'll make a comment on something i'll go look and be like no followers yeah just got created this is fake yeah this is a rush of time we have the time it's someone trolling the other half of the time it's somebody who's just being sarcastic or funny and then they're really not in a bad mood yeah now i'm gonna it's like i can't see and i get like uh because of course a lot of everybody who's who is in the game of like helping other people build social media they talk about the importance of engaging and posting and all the things like that but man i can't tell you what uh how unhealthy it could be the original growth of the business not so bad when we were unknown and we were putting content out and you know people were engaging in and the conversations were all healthy and helping people was like it actually didn't feel that way back in fact i actually felt almost fed from it like wow this was like man i helped like 10 people today out and so the compliments they give you for the content you were producing what were people saying that was making so oh man that jen koan post oh i knew it i knew that thing went you know why i this is what i said i just read a few this is what i said to you because the clip itself outside of the conversation i knew the way she said it would rub a lot of people the wrong way i believe women need to have a man in their life who is better than them who is more successful than them who is richer than them who is more athletic than them you have to have that type of situation or else the woman loses respect or loses attraction i don't believe this thing where it's like oh yeah i'm a girl who has i'm smart i'm pretty i'm successful and i want to be with a guy who is less than that who's less successful who has less money who is less fit than i am if a woman is too bold or a woman is too aggressive they come across too masculine that's why a lot of very successful women are single and can't find men because when they have success and they have a stronger personality it takes sometimes away from the femininity and then like it becomes very combative with male energy like how can you be a sort of an ambitious but also keep your femininity no no what normally happens with a woman that has a very strong personality like you she bulldozes most men and the only and and then mary's a guy no seriously mary's a guy so it's also builds resentment right who is who's ends up being passive and whatever like that and he takes on all the feminine energy like that it takes a very special partner to be able to navigate that well i mean it's now what she said objectively uh the the data supports it but the way she said it and and without context i knew that wasn't happening and you know you're gonna piss off a lot of people yeah i mean i didn't even know i i mean so the audience i was not like any of us actually have anything to do with those like we have a team of people that and their job is to make clips go viral right or get a lot of traction so and create discussion and that's what the caption said yeah what's your opinion yeah yeah and so but man to see just the how angry people now to your point and i agree like you know i like went back and obviously listened to it several times it's like she opens up with strong statements like women need or have to have like yeah okay doesn't even matter what follows after that yeah you're i i don't even and i don't even care that i need devices another woman is saying it you're fucked like you just can't say that you just can't say need or have to have like something so absolute yep because there are always exceptions to the rule but what hurt who and we all know jen really well right in the irony of i mean talk about like one of the strongest women we know like think of all the women that we we know personally and think of like jen is one of the strongest most athletic one of the smartest yeah highest business acumen like i'm also very down to earth authentic yeah yeah like so she's a killer right and so just to see all these other women crucifying her because of that statement i just was like i don't know i just felt compelled to come to her defense because i i i don't really care sometimes when we get we get that for for guests that i'm what i have a guest that i really like and i know where she's coming from you want to defend her i want to defend her you know and so i caught myself in that of wanting to come to her rescue on listen like first of all it was a hour and a half two hour long podcast where there was we talked about the nuances right the conversation went on for another two or three minutes yeah and yeah she made a very bold which by the way that's on brand for her bold like that and i don't disagree with it i mean i i agree with the way it was said or i don't agree with the way it was said in that clip but her her the general point of because if you would have just switched need or have to have to want yeah how could you argue that name me and that was some of the women that were going back and forth with me i asked like wait a second like do you not want a man that's stronger than you do you not want a man that can provide for you yeah like do you know any women that say like i don't i don't want that or i don't like maybe they say they don't need that maybe some but generally speaking again if we just step back like take your opinion out of it the data shows that uh women tend to seek men that either earn as much or more that tend to have the same education or higher that tend to be the same height or or taller um or they'll date someone with that potential because you'll see a woman will say well i married my husband and he had nothing he was going through school i was like okay what was he going to school for what did he become or whatever it was that potential that you were seeking now you can make arguments for wise you know it was evolutionary or whatever but it's just true and i was even talking about this with my wife and i said you know imagine going on a date with a guy and you really like him and then you ask him what he does for a living and he goes oh i flip burgers at so-and-so and i really have no intentions of whatever you're probably your interest in him's going to drop considerably that's just tends to happen for men it doesn't affect this as much like you could meet the girl that flips the burgers be really attracted to her go out with her and not be like oh she just does that it's not as important necessarily other things are important generally speaking but there's always uh you know everybody's an individual but the way she said it the way she said it was you know better than and they have to and that kind of stuff that that's that's yeah but i i mean i also think that part of the the people that we're trying to counter so hard on her is part of the the problem with with the things that we're seeing right now the the rise in women that are childless and then of course i said that and they pissed everybody off too it's just like oh what if we're choosing that i was like okay well that's fine but if all the women chose not to have children we don't exist anymore so it's kind of an important thing that we care a little bit about that maybe you don't personally that's fine but it's like it's an important thing for society for us to reproduce and that's the main reason why we're here is to be able to do that so whether you choose to or not that's well women are an interesting conundrum because in order to be self like to so to support yourself and be a professional in the sense that you have you bring a lot of value to the market you get educated so you're like okay i could take care of myself just in case i don't have another partner no one needs to take care of me take care of myself that takes a long time right that traditionally it does traditionally means you go to school then you go to college and you go you know maybe advanced degree then you go get a job you get some experience but then you bump up against a biological time limit which is uh oh if you don't have kids by this time you're not going to either be able to have kids or it's going to be real hard men don't have that that that limit so men can go and not feel that pressure where you'll hear this from a lot of women like i used to train a lot of female professionals and they would tell me like oh you know i remember when i turned this age all of a sudden i was like uh oh i need to find a partner because i have like four years left to in order to have kids men don't think that way necessarily because we don't have that biological limit or limiter so there's a there's a whole different pressure um that set up that i think uh especially with modern society like it's almost like how do i choose the right route and then where do i go and what do i find these these people to date that are gonna it's challenging anyway i just it's complex it turned it turned the conversation into like this uh you know equality argument of like are you saying that you're you're better than your wife it's like well i am better than my wife in some things and she's much better than me in other things in fact she's probably better than me and a lot more things that i'm better than her at that makes you a good team as a wife i mean that's exactly but this idea of like we're gonna be equal in everything it's ridiculous that is the silliest thing ever to think that you're gonna have even from a business perspective of her business team life like you're oh you're gonna have all these equal attributes like no and and then is to distill it further it's like the point that she's making is around uh finances and physical strength two things that as a man i want to be able to do yeah i want to be able to provide for my wife in today's context that's financial that's what that means what she meant by that like it's like back in times it was that i would literally be able to go hunt right i'd be able to go hunt and go kill the animal bring it back so we could feed feed my family in today's time that's money that's going to he doesn't mean hunting because i don't know how to what well that's right i mean i mean you and i would get crushed back in back inside but i i mean i like to believe that when when uh you know uh you know deer and and and animals that you would hunt was the the most important commodity we wouldn't be driving to collect jewels you know like we've we've adapted to modern time like and that's that's it's the same i would learn to hunt if i had and then the same thing for for the protect side like i mean uh absolutely i want to be in a in a physical place to be able to protect my wife forget about the who's who's who's stronger aspect that you know who knows what the future will look like although this that's a whole other discussion when you're carrying a child and then you're breastfeeding a child you are vulnerable it only of course you would want to be with a partner who doesn't have to worry about that to be like hey look i got this because you right now you you're you know you're thrown up because of morning sickness or you're you know you can't run very fast because you're pregnant or you got to feed the baby all the time like you do that and i'm going to go i got to go find us some food so biologically it makes sense that that's evolutionarily i should say uh where it came from so you but it's weird this argument how people get so triggered by it yeah i just think conversations like this i'd like i appreciate people that can speak away from cultural norms you know in terms of like bringing different perspective in you don't have to agree with whatever their opinion is or what their thoughts are around it if it's working for them why is it working for them you know and like it's just like she's just bringing up something that's a dynamic that's working for her and it's like to get vitriol and hate for like something that is working for it seems weird tells you a lot though when people and things get triggered people so much just trying to control and cultivate everybody think the same way i wasn't gonna go like if you go searching the people that were arguing with me it went through their profile and just go interesting it's you who's arguing with me you know so very predictable that you could see who was going to get so angry about a comment like that and by the way like i had some really good discussions with some some women on there that disagreed with it and and i don't know if you saw my comments so that i said i absolutely can take that criticism i i agree with the point you're making like she definitely could have worded that differently like because she said need and have to have of course you know i'm saying but i i understand her general point and so i agree with her general point do i think and and i guess being somebody who who doesn't always articulate my points the best i could i have i tend to be like that i have also i think a lot more uh empathy for somebody or grace who says like something like that passionately it's just like uh you know i know where she's coming from you know i'm saying i just so there's there's that part of me that's defending her because of that and it's just like and then out you then if i reflect even more i also know this is a very and probably why what got me engaged is this is a conversation at our household my wife comes from a matriarch and so one of the biggest challenges is is to be finding those those roles that balance and those roles in the household especially when she comes from such a strong matriarch that her mother taught her like you do not need a man in fact one of the first things that katrina used to always say to me was that i love you but i don't need you that's something that of course we've evolved and changed the relationship and she's now looked back and reflects and goes like i'm so sorry i used to say that to you that's like that's not the right thing at all i get where it comes from though i so and that's why i didn't bother me it didn't bother me that she used to say that but but that's how much conditioning that she's had in that direction you know what's interesting about that i get where it comes from by the way because you don't want to be that person that's insecure you need the external validation man or woman but also the flip side all people need people yes we are not exactly we are we are so we're social creatures we don't do well by ourselves that's what science said religion which is a spiritual wisdom size says we need each other i mean isolate yourself by yourself and you will suffer the consequences that's it's just period end of story so like everybody need we need people you know i need you guys oh i 100 recognize that i need i'm not who i am today i have i don't have the success i've had today both physically financially all the above if i don't have her 100 100 and in our household i don't think you would even though i have very it's a fact i text all the time thank god for you thank god i mean even though we i i think we tend to run our house in a very traditional type fashion it doesn't mean that there's not roles that are switched up i mean i do most the house cleaning in dishes okay so it's not like we're like this one's like well you know why you can clean you stay in the kitchen yeah but no i do this you know why because you're better at it no i know i know you're right uh and i care more about it right because that's what that's 10 that's what has has driven us to divide and conquer in our house it's not this is the role for a man this is the role for a woman better at hey you're better at this i'm better at this like you focus on that i'll focus on this and and that is what is tended to work out now what is interesting is it tends to fall on these kind of traditional roles most of the time because i mean there's not an exception to the rule and it's not like i don't have friends who have a flip situation where the woman is actually out there making most of the bread and then the husband is doing other things and supporting the house i think that can work of course i think it has to be that way and but it's this idea that man if someone says something like that that we it was just a clip that's social media design for that isn't it just short clips no context well that's the other part that's really challenging right as a as a brand or as a business it's like part of this you know and that was the argument i was having with you off air was you know you're like ah it's not the greatest representation of our brand because we don't necessarily agree with all that i'm like well yeah not with the way it was said but we agree with the sentiment behind it and i'm like but that's also we have a team of people that we pay and their job is to clip out things well here's the beauty that we'll get more we have a podcast we can talk about it well that's what i love about what i love about it is that we can we can put something out like that and then we can explain the context so now explain to me this okay so the um Super Bowl happened not too long ago and i found out i don't know this is a true story not but i was like this guy has to be the most brilliant guy ever right he he was one of the streakers that was out there he bet ahead of time that there would be a streaker in vegas fifty thousand dollars and it ends up like getting arrested makes bail i forget it was like 17 000 or something he had to pay for bail but then made like 175 thousand dollars wait wait can you do that i don't know i don't know if that's so i know that okay so that's kind of i was like oh this is brilliant the the Super Bowl has the most prop bets than any other game ever like in the in like and so i do know there's a ton of prop bets that you could potentially get i didn't know that was a prop bet uh there'll be a streak but i wouldn't be surprised i mean they but you know they bet on the length of the national anthem right because you don't know who's going to sing it so and some people sing it slow and some people sing it fast wait but that's got to be illegal he bet that there'd be a streak i know he was the streaker yeah and he was the streaker i know he's a florida guy came to the to if that's not illegal there's a loophole there that i think people would take advantage of i think they're gonna if they hadn't like you know put any parameters around i'm sure there are you looking it up right now Doug to see if yeah i'm trying to find it because i didn't know that was i know there's a lot now that you said that crazy prop bet how would they know that you wouldn't have your friend do it what if you and your friend went in on it yeah bet a hundred bucks exactly you'll go to jail i'll bail you out and also maybe he came clean about it later after he won the money right but nobody knew that he actually did that i did not hear okay i found it okay so according to la times the offshore betting site never paid the amount to the guy because he admitted the betting scheme during an interview and went viral they didn't pay him what an idiot what a dummy for admitting that why would you turn from the smartest guy to the dumbest guy well conversation 40 000 for front row seats to pull this off he paid 40 000 for front row seats okay actually if you think about it you'd have well these up if he hit 150 40 000 plus the bail he's still up big still up but i mean with not much what a dumb dumb that's so yeah that's super stupid at least get the money in your i don't even know if i'd say anything afterwards yeah no don't ever say anything yeah that's like you like you just you found a hack you made your money tell your close friends oh hey remember that thing yeah that'd be cool i did i i told you guys off air i don't know if i talked about on air with you guys i told you that there's like there's a there's now ai apps and stuff like that for that are hacking some of these betting apps yeah that like oh and they'll work up the odds and yes yeah i didn't even know that i didn't know that existed maybe have the stock market too oh really yeah lightning fast uh you know predictive algorithms yep and they'll catch they'll catch the rhythm of something and sell sell sell so you have this massive selling but now i think that they have limits on it how accurate are the yeah well they have software to to to combat it right there's software that can pick it up and see at least on the betting side so i imagine of course they would have that for dude i got it i got to tell you guys i watched uh probably one of my favorite movies of all time this weekend you watched yes you also it's and i'm there with you bro like i was in epic doug and i were scheduled to go see it and then you guys sent that we're like oh we're not gonna go now yeah it was invalidated hey i were all booked to go they're like oh my god favorite no no no read the read the reviews on it it was i've i've heard i've heard from everybody phenomenal it said it was the word i have a movie reviews got incredible reviews like it looks sick do you know how hard it is to embed uh culture mm-hmm religion fantasy sci-fi make it seem realistic make it seem like it just they combine so many of these elements like a scientific way to explain all of this magic sorcery yes the whole thing it like everything actually made sense i think that's the hardest thing to nail with sci-fi or any kind of like yes yeah futuristic type and in the and the religion that they put in there the religious undertones and then like the like how the empire it just it was so epic benedezer it it's like so uh parallel to what you would think if somebody was masterminding everything in the world like they they portray it through the benedezer it like so well yeah i went by myself isn't it interesting how is it interesting how there tends to be the spectrum of movies that go like crazy like that you either have um it's so not believable okay so like x-men like marvel type bullshit that's like not believable over the top and then you have like the part of why you guys say it's and i agree with this like so i we watched some old movies this this last weekend or whatever that fugitive was one of them and i was like breaking down at katrina why i other than the great acting by harrison ford's without why i think it it did so well and i said you know what when you think of a movie like they normally make that character harrison ford if he's the guy who breaks out of jail and like is running like they make him like jason born yeah he also knows jiu-jitsu and he can take on five cops you know what i'm saying he jumps out of helicopters but he's not he's like just a uh a smart doctor husband who's running for his life and he's struggling the whole way through and i'm like they make it realistic like you actually can see yourself in that character and go like there's enough drama there to portray it's like yes it's gonna carry you and i'm like when have you seen that this type of character like that in a movie get portrayed like that he's normally super human you know so with dune totally the thing that i think captured me the most was the different cultures and how well they presented each culture how different they were and how they didn't hammer you with it with over explanations they just went about their business just blended them and as you watched yeah you can yeah like the fremen have their culture people the harkinans have their culture very distinct and the way that they communicate and the way that they act and it was it was it's one of those movies i'm gonna watch again and again so it's cool and you know you've seen even the first one they kind of went over the technology of vibration and how that kind of opens up and moves around the sand and it makes a lot of logical sense well so dune have you ever heard of like worm grunting no before okay so like there's this these two guys i saw some like documentary about this a long time ago but uh they're like earthworm farmers and so they would go into like the swamps and they would place like this wooden stake into the ground and they would take like one of these like metal files and just kind of grind it on top of the stump or on on top of the stake and it would send this like weird grunting vibration into the ground he's like in the certain way they would do it all of a sudden like all the worms would come to the surface oh wow and it was like whoa like everybody was tripping out because it was so easy for them to like harvest all these worms instead of the old traditions where you'd have to like dig and like makes you wonder who came how did i know who came up with that thought of that i don't know wild to me like who some dude was just playing with a stick like what yeah keep doing that yeah look at these worms coming up but it's just like i don't know you see kind of like uh some some parallels to that you know in the movie and stuff but i was just like i like how it's it's believable like there was like you know real ways that uh to like with anyway i don't want to like spoil the movie for people but yeah yeah i haven't seen it yet so don't ruin it for me oh it's really oh we got we got to make a correction before i forget we got something wrong we've got no you got something wrong i don't throw me rule of thumb you got it wrong hey and i and i asked for a team here all of a sudden i asked again about it i repeated it all of a sudden you blame it on me we're a team what you say i was telling Doug like what bad timing the jen cohen clip goes and then you talking about using the stick to beat women no that's not what i said rule of thumb is not i didn't know it was a myth it was not based off of an old roller you could hit your wife with a stick as long as it wasn't thicker than your thumb that's made up that's not real yeah rule of thumb because it was a measurement a unit of measurement for uh like measuring grain or whatever because it's typically about a month long yeah that's what it was i wonder who made up that one about well somebody said boondock saints said which is probably where you got it from oh wow well yeah it was some like tough you know labor lady that brought that up is like a sort of a a knock on that and you believe it you're like oh yeah well it's so convincing i don't know i feel like that was probably in the wikipedia or you know like it was in on the internet somewhere before that there's a good chance somebody said say everything's on the internet that right hey i wonder how it's probably just come from nowhere all of you guys have seen boondock saints i'm sure it came from that it says uh it's it's not true yeah yeah but where where did it originate i don't think it originated no uh what did i say serfansis buller is reported as having made this legal ruling oh okay well whatever no it's not about the stick what does that say it is no this has been said see in the internet will lie to you see yeah that's not true it's not is it wait a minute yeah i don't think it's true i've done some research as well this is all pretty right i think it's a new like i don't know man listen but i wonder how many things we believe to be true that went viral before the internet you know what i mean like blowing in the nintendo cartridge and i'm convinced yeah it's not they see bro i have a new i brought a nintendo again right and i could mess with it all day long i've blown that so it works yeah i said you guys who's the one that sent the meme with the nintendo cartridges talking is that you yeah one of the nintendo cartridges like bro trust me scrape yourself with a penny he's like why just trust me he does it and then later the guy's blowing in him there were things like i'm trying to think of what else we we thought uh the you know things that were viral that we believed they'll come into me but i i never challenged them because i just thought them to be true yeah that one was pretty funny that that one came yeah a lot of urban legends i'm so anyway so who was it i was talking about the potatoes from butcher box oh that's me so i got so one of our one of our favorite dishes right now and i didn't know that butcher box i didn't even know that this came from her or came from them katrina normally does the potatoes when i grill grill the meat and we have this like she does this like garlic and uh cheese just and you would love it just a little bit of cheese and bakes in the oven with like the small potatoes and that's kind of in like our staple and she had these other ones that she did in the air fryer this last time and i'm like oh my god these are so good she's like oh they're from butcher box and i was like potatoes yeah yeah so i actually i took a picture because i knew that the next time we had a commercial that i would bring them up because they were so good are they prepped they're already done you just reheat them basically so we just threw so i think they're it says i even think on the box it actually tells you like i think i sent to the executive dug did i send it to the executive thread yeah you did let me pull it up so i didn't i didn't know one that they work with this brand because this brand is actually the same brand that we get the other potatoes that we do the the cheese and stuff with so rosemary and then sea salt has like chicken drippings on it and it's fully cooked already you just it takes 15 minutes to reheat it we did it in the air fryer to make them kind of crispy yeah so good butcher box has a lot i have to check again they have a lot of those add-ons that they'll come and go and and you'll find all kinds of i don't think this is this i believe this is the same company that does the already pre-made mix that i do the make the burritos with the potatoes and everything like that yeah i believe so they actually have like bone broth as well you can buy at like whole foods it's a really good company oh okay yeah are you looking at the brand right now that i sent over yeah i think that's a butcher box brand it is they partnered with another company it's roly roti i don't think butcher box is a brand that makes any any of their well the their chicken nuggets those are butcher box aren't they yeah they have their brand on some of their packaging they have their brand on stuff i mean the which by the way we still eat like we eat those as adults we just eat chicken no that's that i don't even care it's a stereotype with me dude i'm all in dude you know i you know it's funny is that i eat them with grapes we have to we we consistently have those now and i was so this is a little while back hasn't been out it's been it's been a while now but i went through mcdonalds with max and i got like some nick chicken nuggets like on the go we're driving somewhere and i'm like let's get some of those i was hungry really it's really more about me and i was like i'll share with him and so different processed oh my god so different i mean i knew that obviously because i've been eating it but it's been so long because i've actually had a chicken nugget from mcdonalds that you don't really tell the it's so interesting isn't it interesting how our palate gets conditioned well if you eat it enough then it's like oh yeah then i would probably crave can you taste how processed it is oh yeah it's crazy it doesn't eat well if you have been eating the the the butcher box ones and then you go introduce the mcdonalds one you won't even like it no it's night and day but i do know what you're saying it because that's i've seen that happen before where i consistently eat something that's like not that good and then all sudden i remember when i first learned that uh what are the pringles that pringles potato chips were not were processed were were processed potato chips i don't powdered like it's not even like like sliced no no it's not sliced off potatoes and fried yeah it's powder potato they obviously yeah so i remember perfect i didn't know that i had a friend who was eating them and i'm eating them like they taste different than regular potato chips and then the their mom is like well these are like processed i'm like yeah i didn't really know what that entailed yeah and then i'm like oh duh they all fit perfectly together on top of now are there do other chips do that i mean or i would think that like doritos are super processed too uh well doritos are made with corn so that's corn mashed together and then pressed into shapes okay regular potato chips are just like sliced off the potato are lays really truly sliced are they no they're sliced they are need to get fried so pringles is the only one that that went that the one that i know of where they take potato flake ruffles or something else where they make shapes out of them uh no ruffles are sliced too are they they just use a slicer that slices them have you ever has anyone ever uh counted the pringles to compare to like a regular bag of chips is it more or less good question it's it's probably more right because it's so packed in there that's i mean you would think if it was more that'd be a great marketing strategy like i would do i would use that as like a strategy like oh we give you 20 percent more chips i never like pringles i never did i was were they inspired by tennis balls oh the can yeah right it's like the same can i swear and then they there's always that much room in between that's like did you guys did you guys like that was it satisfying to you as well to open a can of of you have the uh tennis balls yeah it comes out yeah that's great it was about a hundred it's a hundred chips in one can of pringles yeah so that that can't be more yeah that's probably less let's go i know you think about a bag of like lays chips though there's so much space in between oh i know it's like 50 percent air yeah you open it that protects the chips everybody is that is that right yeah you want air in there is that is that the thought process behind that is that that's supposed to protect the chips is that what they say i don't know yeah it's probably more of a marketing maybe they tell guys like you that we're trying we're looking out for you so protecting your we're protecting your chips well have you ever seen like all the different types of glassware and things like how they just like use angles and things to reduce the amount of volume like crazy like like rocks glasses like all like for bars oh they make so much less volume just because it's like tapered in or it's like the you know it's just it's it's funny because they use like optical illusion like that and their benefits so a bag of ruffles an eight and a half ounce bag of ruffles is 121 chips so you get an eight ounce bag of lays 150 you're getting ripped off Pringles is 5.2 ounces oh so it's a smaller can that's why they're not marketing so it's more compact oh yeah but what's the price so i have no idea similar in price and true are they like so a lays a lays eight ounce bag by the way none of these sponsor the show I guess I just that's me like I that's the type of weird stuff I think about like I see the had the way it's bad like that right away I go like oh is there are we getting over like your point the illusion like yeah I see that all time like you see that at coffee shops they have like the tiny little coffee mugs and like you see all these surely factor that I got full I got fooled by a video once where this guy showed two size of Starbucks cups and he poured liquid in and oh they're the same I seen that viral video and I was like what I seen that it's very convincing and I don't think it's making you think they're ripping it off yeah I know who's our shout out for today I have a shout out to keep an eye on our good friend max lugavir right now so max his doc is set to release it this this month or next month no way I can't wait yeah oh that's gonna be good so he's gonna have an LA premiere I think he told me he's gonna have a northern california premiere also and I said please keep the guys and I posted because I would love to be able to attend it I love to support that yeah yeah it's it's gonna happen it's happening yeah really really soon here I can't wait to see that released element is an 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ahead of some of the percentages so even when I get to the end after I've run it a couple times I'll I've done the program straight through a couple of times and I find that my one rep max I can lift them much more than what I'm going through on the program so really I just wanted to ask I know powerless one of the programs we wouldn't want to adjust much but if I was going to push the percentages a little bit how would I do that would I recalculate my one rep max would I just add five ten pounds what's your advice there so my question would be why why would you want to do that do you think it's any faster or better better strength gains is that the idea yeah I think so and just because I find myself being significantly stronger not like five pounds and really trying just like like 15 or 20 pounds like and maybe 20 pounds is a little heavy but maybe 15 pounds more as I get to the end of the workout so my recovery is good and usually in any other maps program I would just kind of balance that I would push it a little bit and if I saw my recovery dipping I would back off and if I pushed and felt good then I keep going but power lift I know is really prescriptive and I just don't want to get out over my skis and start lifting more in the second phase and then not really be ready for that final part of it so I'll say this so because power power lift is very obviously it's it's power lifting specific it's strength specific now other programs hypertrophy goals mobility goals athletic performance just a little bit more multifaceted but let me let me illustrate this by telling you a little like a like a a soviet era style of training for squats so what they would do is they would take an athlete and let's say this athlete could do 315 pounds for 14 reps that was their max what then what the athlete would do is they would do 10 reps every day even though it was way below what they could do they could do four more reps they would just do 10 reps and after the second week they're like oh my god I think I could do 20 reps and the coach would be like no just do 10 just do 10 just do 10 then at the end of 30 days or 45 days they would test their one rep max and it would have exploded far above and beyond had they continued to raise the weight to match their strength in other words this is a part of training for strength is feeling exactly how you feel in that second and third phase when you get to the very end that's when you test that's when you express it yes so could you add more weight to kind of push it a little bit you could but I would argue it probably wouldn't get you better results and it might actually yeah you're more likely to not right you're more likely to get worse results what you're feeling is exactly what you want to feel yeah in a powerlifting program you want to go through the phases and train and be like oh I know this says 90% but this feels like more like 80% that's what you want to feel like when you're when you're in those phases it is until the end that then you push to see where you're at and what you'll find and again that strength athletes and strength coaches that work specifically with powerlifters will tell you like this produces the best results yeah powerlifting is beautiful because you I do I go through those first couple of phases and I think hey this is I'm not really pushing and I get to the end and each time my one rep max just goes up consistently and with good form and you feel really solid and it's helped me tremendously and I just I intertwine it and weave it in with anabolic or performance or split whatever it is and I just keep getting stronger so it's a great program and I think that's good advice just stay the course you're also the client okay I'm going to play devil's advocate a little bit too you're also the client that I would allow to learn this lesson the hard way too meaning that you've done this multiple times you've you've seen what it does when you when you you trust the process you do it and then it's like because here's the thing like it is a percentage it is a guesstimate there's going to be there's always an individual variance there's also the other variables of what's going on in your life and maybe you're just crushing everything and you are this is the time where you could stretch it a little bit more and maybe you could squeeze out a little bit and you're the type of person who's already done this multiple times and so I would maybe give you that freedom or latitude okay well if you think so Andrew you think that you're going to get a little more let's go ahead go ahead give your extra five or ten pounds and then let's see what the end result is and you know maybe you maybe you do get a little more or maybe you get exactly the same or maybe you get less and so you know I mean that's what this is all about and you're if you were somebody who like I'm very familiar with who you are how long you've been listening and how many programs you've gone through of ours and so it's not like you're this brand new person who's coming to power lift have no idea what you're doing and like you're already wanting to stretch the limits I think I'd be more stern about listen dude trust the process you know we're pretty good at what we do I promise you're gonna be happy but I think that you've already done that two or three times and you have a fair question you know yeah and you're already bragging it up with anabolic and performance have you run symmetry as a sort of bridge between power lift before yeah and I ran that after the second time I ran power lift and symmetry for me was like okay this is going to be boring and but you know you go through it because you know that's the right thing to do and after I did that it was tremendous just the payoff that that program makes a symmetry if somebody's out there in our listener and they think hey symmetry is not really from me just run it and do it because it pays off and it made a huge difference and just my overall just being balanced all over my body exactly what the program's for so it was just tremendous yeah perfect yeah you'll get in what you're explaining and how you're feeling is what I'm looking for when someone's training for power lifting that's what I'm looking for what I'm not looking for is like oh every week I get stronger but I'm really pushing hard and whatever and I will typically back off think of power lifting training is practice that's what it should feel like you're practicing the lift and then the big reveal is at the end is the game yeah which is just like you know that you know anybody's played a sport like you're not you're not you know sacrificing your body in diving for the basketball and doing things that could hurt yourself in practice you're practicing everything and getting very good at it but you're running it probably 80% you're never running in 100% that fatigue component plays a bigger role in hypertrophy than it doesn't in strength but you you already run other programs with that so I would say change nothing what you're feeling is exactly what you want to write on on point yeah perfect awesome all right Andrew thanks for calling in thanks guys take care I like how he got all nice with the suit and everything yeah yeah you see your book in the background I did see that it's great you know I just watched a video uh with Dr. Stuart McGill is that his name yeah and he was training a power lifter and trying to build lat strength so they were doing pull-ups and this is literally it was a big deal this is literally what is gonna what he did with the guy he had the guy stand in front of the bar grab the bar activate his lats get tight do one hard pull up come down and then rest the guy could have probably done 10 to 15 to to you know to actually work out of it but all he did was one and he says I have my athletes yes do you literally 15 or 30 sets of just one and it produces explosive strength gains that's what he's experienced with mass power lift I'm so on board with this mentality it is such a new thing that I wish I would have applied when I was an athlete like coming up through all these different sports that I played it's just like to train at that level to where you're not incorporating fatigue you're just mastering these movements it's it's game changer yes and it develops power and strength yes which is what these athletes are looking for yeah I know I mean your advice was spot on he is the type of person though that if I'm trained if you play with it yes just so he can learn that like because you know how it is in the back of your head you're always going to go you know but what if I just want to be safe but yeah let me get the best yeah exactly so he's but he's all I mean he's done the program already what three times already yeah and he even said like he's paying attention to how he feels afterwards and so it's like you know that type of client if we were training together like I was okay let's go ahead see it go ahead and add a little five spill over a little bit yeah yeah spill over a little bit let's see how and then and then and then you feel it and then you realize like oh shit okay I just need to stay this is what it's supposed to feel like right now he's questioning that is this was what it's supposed to feel like and the answer is yes our next caller is Dylan from Florida what's up Dylan what's up man what's up guys how you doing how can we help you hey man just just gotta say real quick thank you for everything all the fitness information uh I hopped on maps anabolic before I was doing splits and got the leanest and the strongest I'd ever been blew my mind so just want to say thank you guys hold on bro oh yeah what you got for us all right so my question I said I'm currently halfway through anabolic advanced and I was having trouble with two things when going to failure on the weeks we do failure training does that mean I quite literally cannot do another rep I know you say to go to form breakdown but is it possible to go to the point where you cannot do another rep without breaking form and then my second question was during the failure weeks are we supposed to still be lifting slow like the volume weeks are we supposed to go heavy and wrap it out at a regular tempo all right so for the first question it is possible yeah good question but yeah it is possible to go to the point where you can't move the bar without breaking form but that takes a lot of discipline and understanding that's a very advanced lifter to I mean we do that I know you do that yeah I know how to stop before my body twists or my elbow moves out of position right but most people can't do that so most people I would say stop the rep before we're like oh you know you're grinding it up you're like there's no way I'll be able to get another rep and then stop there and it really doesn't make that big of a difference where you go but stopping a rep halfway through without twisting your body moving your knee your hip or whatever that takes very very good safety bars yeah lots of self-awareness too and yes safety bars so that would be the first part second part you want controlled reps because what you'll find is you're going to get really strong or stronger and going to failure the risk the injury risk is higher and so you're better out going slow because you won't use as much weight that's just the bottom line and I found that with myself like I was I was getting really heavy with the squats and rather than adding weight I slowed down the reps and it was just it served me a lot better okay yeah it makes sense I was getting toasted after those barbell squats I was just going heavy trying to rep it out for failure and I was just like I was getting destroyed yeah yeah yeah I just slowed down the rep you know four second negative type of deal and then go to failure those failure what how far along are you in the program well at that point I was halfway through I didn't know finishing it because I was kind of getting burnt out I think probably because I was I was going super heavy on those failure days yep yep yep you got it you definitely want to control the rep so that you're not just adding because you'll your strength probably and initially went up very quickly and that'll burn you out for sure yeah yeah awesome guys thank you you got it man what are you following any programs now can we send you something um I mean if you guys yeah if you guys want to send me something I I would really appreciate it I'm following so this is my plan right now I don't know actually I wanted to ask you guys if this is going to be too much volume back to back I'm in anabolic right now I was thinking about going to aesthetic and then straight into the split yeah yep the answer is yes too much volume so you're in anabolic right now okay interrupt it with symmetry I'm in anabolic right now all right follow symmetry afterwards we'll send that to you after anabolic yep okay awesome guys I think thank you appreciate it a lot you got it man thanks for calling in yeah thank you did he mean he was in anabolic advanced for now yeah no now he's in anabolic he was in anabolic advanced now he switched to regular maps anabolic okay but he wanted to go aesthetic either way that's a good follow-up yeah yeah the whole like going to failure you got to be smart with it it does produce very quick strength gains and you're better off with controlled tempo to increase the the fine line of skirt yeah dude because you want I know my ego kicks in I mean this morning I worked out with my ego and it's like you just want to throw weight and the shark eyes come out then you get you know reminded because your body injures well I mean it's a great question and I think it just highlights why we waited as long as we did to release a program that programmed failure into it yeah it's just it's such a fine line and it's not that you can't and there's not tremendous value and studies to support the benefits of failure training it's just that it's so overly abused that you're more likely to overreach than you are to hit it right on the nose and it just takes a lot of years of discipline and practice to get to that point and I think we just you misinterpret that those initial gains that you get from the failure training to like oh this is the better way of training and then you just start to adopt that and it's like no it's like you have to be judicious judicious about how much you use it that's right our next caller is Andrew from South Africa Andrew what's happening how can we help you good evening good evening I love watching your show I was just watching one now and um yeah um yeah I love your content thanks for giving you guys do um really cool to be joining you tonight on this side um I'll just I suppose head into the background in the context and then eventually get towards the question sure right um so I'm interesting journey in May last year I looked very different I was weighing I'm gonna I've converted everything to pounds because I know you guys don't work in kilograms but um yeah May last year I was weighing 222 pounds I went down to my lowest weight which was 167 pounds that got I got there sort of end of November early December I've managed to gain four pounds now I was sitting on 77.8 kilograms basically a lot of calorie counting what's it a deficit of like 180,000 calories to get here um been an epic journey um but yeah sort of since December I got to stage where I was dropping weight very quickly and you went from a stage of dropping sort of kilograms at a time you know some at one stage I was dropping a kilogram four kilograms a month sorry 8.8 pounds 10 pounds a month I was dropping um and then sort of in December I started moving into the more of a okay so now I've lost weight where am I going to from yeah you know so I went into more of an aesthetics type of focus you know so now I've been training hard I train five times a week two muscle groups if I'm doing a focus group like like the smaller muscles like arms I'll do three times a week um I'm still counting calories it's a very hard behavior to stop in terms of um like I know I watched your videos about intuitive eating and I've tried to get into it but the thought sort of terrifies me quite a bit but sort of right now where I'm at is that I'm on 2000 calories a day Monday to Thursday 2000 to 2200 calories four times a week and then on the weekends I sort of relax family time friends don't count calories relax it and with that behavior I've managed to sort of stay the same what's interesting though is that from I think I sent you guys the photograph from December to now the body has still is still changing all the time which is quite exciting to see um so I think getting into the question sorry about all the context um I suppose now what I'm looking at doing is that like I never really thought where I want to end up if you guys have suggestions that love them but sort of something I wanted to talk about is how do you move from yeah calorie counting in a sustainable way so we talk you guys talk about calorie counting on the channel everyone talks about calorie counting just up them just down them but like there is that real life thing about being a family guy going out on weekend sink friends and like you don't want to be that dude at a wedding like this weekend I've got a wedding sitting there on that secret log in my calories at a wedding trying to guess what it is so I suppose um yeah it's just um how do you sustainably sort of get into the calorie counting mindset and go into I think I would like to keep on growing I have been growing a little bit you know and like I know I need to eat more I am still gaining strength as I train but like yeah I don't know what I would say probably less than 10 percent a month a little bit lower but yeah I'm early in the journey I've only really been pushing the weights really hard since December um but yeah it's sort of way too from yeah and I suppose I've spoken a lot yeah no great great context and phenomenal job phenomenal job you're doing a really good job transformation yeah you might be overthinking a little bit now I do think that a bulk and a slow bulk is is going to serve you well I think getting stronger is great and the stronger you get the more muscle we build the more the faster your metabolism will be and the more you the more flexibility you'll have with your diet now you came from a place where you lost a lot of weight so your fear is gaining body fat again the opposite of my fear when I was you know when I was you know back in the day I was like I didn't want to go on a cut so telling you to go on a bulk probably feels uh the same way but that's going to be your best bet and I think you'll feel your best uh with that you also can approach it though because I know that the goal here is to move to this kind of intuitive eating right and you're already practicing this on the weekend so you're not you're not that far from it I know it just sounds probably scary to do it for the whole week now and maybe what a transition looks like is maybe flip that maybe uh be a little more calculated on the weekends for two days and be a little more flexible on the weeks to see how that works out before you go all seven days and but I think you're all you've already kind of figured out how to do that my suggestion would be I think you've done an incredible job on the aesthetic part right you lost all this weight I think your physique looks great you look really healthy now I'd go all performance focused and allow allow the way you eat to be dictated by your performance in the gym and how you feel that's a great way versus getting focused on am I getting fatter am I any weight let forget about the scale for all that like you're in a great place right now you're eating a healthy amount of calories but I would like to see you eating more and so I would go towards like maybe like one of our performance programs and really or even something like power lift that would be a great one for you is to try and get really strong and focus more on the weight on the bar and getting stronger while also feeding the body when you're hungry and just make good choices allow yourself that freedom to eat when you want to eat but just make good choices when you do that and don't like I always say don't eat like an asshole and I think you will do really well and and don't like if you like especially when you're training for performance you the hardest part will come with the hardest part will be for you is the appetite is going to increase which is a really good sign it means that your body is saying feed me I need more we're growing I'm trying to build muscle don't be afraid of that just just eat good choices and I promise if you make good choices high protein meals with good good like stay away from sugars and saturated fat and tons of stuff like that just eat good balanced meals and feed yourself when you're hungry I think you're going to get the best of both worlds I think it's going to ease you into the intuitive eating and I also think it's going to continue to shape your physique up and look even better than where you're currently already at yeah I your here's one step you can take is to just hit your protein targets and get a good general idea of what like let's say your protein targets are 150 grams a day let's just say you know what 50 grams of protein looks like in a serving of of let's say chicken fish or beef well then just make sure that you hit that and then the rest don't worry about that's one step away from tracking everything and that tends to take care of everything else you're doing a good job dude I mean you're doing a really good job I think you're you're going to see some great if you I think Adam gave you the best advice you go on power lift and try and get strong I think you're going to see some incredible new world in the performance direction yeah yeah so you'll you'll you'll catch fire with that and then see kind of where that leads you but there's a lot of different options leading after power power lifts probably the best to build that base of just pure strength so what I love to do is we'll send over power lift to you we'll also give you access to the forum so you're in there with us and then if you just keep in touch with us through the process yeah so because what will happen because it does with clients that have lost a lot of weight like you is you'll probably get in your own head at one point and let us be there to kind of talk you off the ledge and let you know if you're doing a good job and to stay the course so use the forum like that check in with us let us know you know as you're going through the program how you're feeling what's going on strength wise and we'll keep you on track I think that you're in a really good place right now but I think that that's the transition I would move you into to get you towards the intuitive eating and I think you you already kind of have a good idea you're doing on the weekends already and just again during the weekdays you're probably less likely to go out with friends and drink and do those things and so and Sal gives great advice I love to have my clients hey just focus on the protein yeah just get your protein and take that let that be the only thing you track right now and make good choices just don't don't eat like an asshole and train the way you are and I promise that you're you it will it's really really hard to over consume enough to where you're going to put on a excess amount of body fat if you're training properly you're hitting your protein intake and you're hitting mostly all whole foods I mean then you're most likely just going to build muscle yeah good luck putting on body fat that way that's actually hard to do and you're most everything's going to get allocated over into building muscle so long as you stay away from like overindulging and binging and drinking and doing like if you just if you're worried about the slippery slope you know that people tend to fear keep a journal and write in the journal how you feel and then that'll keep you aware of oh I'm starting to get those bad behaviors with food or I'm starting to use it as a way to you know so a journal can help you with that self-awareness but I think what we're saying right now is going to do it you you sound like you're totally on the right track yeah thanks guys yeah all that you're saying is sort of I think what you're doing is giving me permission like let go yep you've got the weight loss thing now now just like you said another thing just focus on strength focus on your eating chill out a little bit of it like you said you're going to notice yourself at the stage of the sensitivity you're going to notice that you're overdoing the calories um just something um just out of interest what I've struggled with with eating is getting enough carbs and I don't know if that's just because carbs have got more calories than them and I've been sticking to the thing so like the protein I can hit 200 grams a day really easily but like carbs if I hit like 160 on a strict day like oh I've done really well for myself so I don't know if you've got any advice for people that have not eaten a lot of carbs you know I think a lot of this has been fueled by my own body fat that was there before but like um yeah sorry to change the topic a little bit there but like carbs is always one worry about whether I'm having enough of it or is it like you said earlier follow if you're hungry you're probably not eating enough yeah that's it go by hunger and performance you know how I like to use carbs uh performance stick to whole natural food stick to easily digestible carbs those are the two workouts with them yeah so like don't don't go with candy and you know fruit juices and sodas so like obvious rice and whole fruit rice fruit potato and then and then use it as a performance uh booster so I'll know if I need to bump my carbs a little bit by my strength in the gym or if I need to cut it down a little bit by my digestion or how I feel and that's that's how I use carbs and I love to his point this is like so when I'm moving somebody more intuitive but we're still kind of tracking some things and you're gonna start messing with carbohydrates if you pay attention or track actually do this especially when we're on a performance focus okay so let's say I don't know what time you lift you lift in the middle day morning night when do you lift super early 5 a.m. 5 30 okay so then we'll be looking at the nighttime so at night time play around with the amount of carbohydrates you allow yourself to have in that dinner and really challenge yourself sometimes go 30 to 50 grams then try another one with like 100 to 150 grams like go in that and everything in that range and pay attention to how you feel when you go into that workout the next morning and allow that to steer how much you know how much rice or how much pasta or how much whatever you potatoes you eat the night before go into it like don't think about how I look think about how I feel going into that workout and how you perform it in that workout and allow that to dictate how much carbohydrates you have with that meal totally awesome awesome all right thank you guys amazing even the channel thank you so much for having me really really appreciate it and love your advice love your content keep going thank you man yeah we're calling from all the way from South Africa that's right we'll see you the forum his his perfect English accent with the bookcase in the back just based on that he's gonna if he does a bulk right he's gonna gain some serious muscle yeah for more he's come from it'll blow his mind and then what'll happen I've worked with people like this is that you know I know you guys have to it's metabolism will get so fast he's like I mean like crazy and I'm eating be like wow that'll be the hardest part that's why I wanted him in the forum because I know that what will happen if he starts lifting powerlifts and start feeding himself he's gonna get hungrier yeah and his body's gonna want more and he's gonna build muscle nervous about that yeah and he'll get like all right I was at 2000 now I'm eating 2800 this is way too much and he'll start to freak out a little bit but I did a great job and he's in a good place right now and I think powerlifts a perfect program so look forward to see what happens next caller is Chris from Ohio what's up Chris how can we help you hey what's going on fellas are you good man what's happening oh first I will apologize uh I'm actually at a state conference so here's the music in the background I'm sitting at a hotel and I just tried to sneak away somewhere no worries but I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you guys I'm just gonna jump right into it so I was actually caught off guard because of all the shows that I've watched seems like some people have to wait quite a while before they're able to get on and chat with you I think I put I submitted this just a couple days ago something worked out and I was able to talk so last year I really got into the nutrition side of things I've been a college athlete and kind of let my my personal shape get out of way get out of whack but I took control of my nutrition I dropped from 224 down to 197 as part of a challenge and then since then I've gotten up to 212 but I'm starting another challenge just for a mental and physical challenge to see if I can get down to what some say stage lean I'm kind of quirky in that manner but being a career firefighter something that has always kind of nagged at me is with the 2448 schedule how does fleet play into it how do I optimize growth after this cut phase with my 2448 schedule typically I work out first thing in the morning by myself without a spotter fasted and so you know is are there issues with that kind of setup and also is doing my doing too much volume because I work out usually two out of every three days taking the day off that I come off of shift and so just kind of wanting to pick your guys's brains a little bit this is a fantastic opportunity so I'm all ears and I got my notes ready so explain the 2448 so you work for 24 hours then you're off for 48 hours is that correct correct yes and on that 24 hours it's just really hit or miss if you get five to six runs a day or we could have 20 runs a day okay and it's four days or five days a week are you lifting I it's just two out of every three days so I usually lift the morning before my shift the morning of my shift and then the following morning or the following day I take off you know I think I if you're modifying the intensity in the volume I think that's not a bad approach at all are you are you progressing are you seeing good I mean your your pictures look great yeah absolutely I mean as far as from shrankings I never really max out so I just kind of go into a point of failure I'm currently running a program that really emphasizes hypertrophy so the big thing is pushing finding that failure limit and so I try to do that with the weights that I have available but again the safety component comes in too because I'm always working out at 4 35 o'clock in the morning by myself and I don't want to overextend myself into the point of injury yeah well so stopping two reps short of failure the data shows pretty clearly is is probably enough so you don't need to go although short stints of training to failure can have some benefit um long term yeah it doesn't really make a difference um and it's probably better not to uh for the most part um it's you know as far as are you training too much you got to base it off of how you feel so if you feel good you're getting good sleep you seem to be getting stronger you're progressing you don't have weird cravings and hot cold intolerances low libido that type of stuff you're probably doing great I like your approach of two on one off taking that day off the day after work makes a lot of sense and then the way I would judge the volume and frequency intensities based off of how I felt on those two days so if you had an exceptionally hard day of work and you took that day off and the following day you're supposed to work out I would go real easy kind of go through the motions kind of move the body and then once I felt good I'd push myself but you're gonna have to listen to your body a little bit because your schedule is not typical like not only is it not typical even even your schedule can can vary in terms of the intensity of your work like you just said you could have four or five runs in a day versus 20 I'm sure that they feel very different right you have a day where it's just non-stop it probably oh absolutely yeah and so that's how I would judge the or that's how I would dictate the intensity and the volume of my workouts would be based off of that so if you're coming off a day where you had four runs and it was like nothing like all right let's go for it but if you're coming off a day you know where you it was like non-stop and you were pushing your body don't let the cortisol fool you you know I mean don't don't work off of that nervous stress energy you'd be like you know what that was rough I'm gonna go easy I'm gonna go easy on this workout and that'll give you better results yeah at first glance I would say it seems like too much volume but if you're doing a good job of modifying intensity then it's okay you know because it because your weeks probably do vary so much which would just add the complexity of doing this right it's not as straightforward as hey this is too much or not enough volume it's like you know one week it could be too much volume then another week it's you know you know just right so you know if you feel confident that you've been doing a pretty good job of modifying that I don't I don't see a problem with that I do think though like a program this is not a time in in your life or at this point where I would probably be pushing is as great a benefits as you can get for hitting failures sometimes like I just don't I like I would love to see him run power lift I'd love to see like a program like that where we're modifying the the intensity he's not training to failure and it's not until the end something along those lines like as far as a program right now but if you're seeing gains and you and you're and you feel good then I don't know how much I would also change or modify that okay that sounds great I it's a big thing and I think we've kind of hit it on the head there is just I've always been concerned anytime I find a program or I've tried to put together a program I always have to modify it to work two on one off just due to our schedule yep and so I and listening to some of your past podcasts and YouTube videos just I was really kind of concerned if I was doing too much as opposed to scaling back a little bit and then maybe still seeing the same results look for the signs you want to look for the signs of doing too much so yeah stiffness achiness loss of performance sleep disturbances low libido cravings hot cold intolerances but performance to be the big one the biggest one like you go to the gym you're like man I am not as strong nor do I have as much stamina as I normally do then that be the case but you know with the average first off nobody has perfect controls even the even the typical nine to five person doesn't have perfect controls but in your case it's even more there's even more variables so in other words in a perfect world where all the controls are the same well then you would just follow the workout and you would apply the same intensity every single time you work out but that's not how that's not how things work your schedule is different so you can't even follow a typical split that's designed for the average person you have to modify it but even the work that you do like most jobs you know except for first first responders people that works in emergency rooms for example I've trained a lot of clients in this case one day can be vastly different from the next day so you're going to have to modify your intensity and volume based off of that also you also need to factor in that he's okay so you know when we started this conversation you mentioned that we're we're we're heading towards just like let's try and get stage lean right get ripped type of process so we're going to be on a pretty a pretty hard cut so like I would tell my competitors when I was coaching them like the the real work has already been done for you like the way your your muscles are going to look and like what the end result of this is actually already really been taken care of at this point it's just a matter of how much of that muscle you lose or don't lose because you're going in it you've already you're not going to make big muscle gains in this cut this is not going to happen so at this point it's literally just carving away the body fat and revealing all your hard work that you've been doing for the previous you know months or years right so at that with that in mind you know doing failure training and pushing the body to try and get gains I think is less advantageous than yeah modifying intensity maintaining like sending a good signal focusing on getting good rest like your that's what's going to help you not lose muscle what will help you lose muscle faster is overreaching not eating enough not getting good sleep so you're always better off in this phase of your journey because we're in this cut is to like I'm I'm better off pulling back on intensity and just going in there and touching the weights and letting my diet do most of the work here because this at this point the diet is what's going to really control how well you look at the end of this on how much muscle you lose or don't lose will be off that and the harder you push in a deficit like that especially if other stressors are involved the faster you're going to pair down and lose muscle and so at this point like if you're ever considering like oh should I do an extra this or should I try and go to failure this set if the if you even have that question that the the answer is no don't do it it's not worth it you're not going to gain a bunch of muscle from that extra set or that extra 10 pounds you put on the bar right now you're just trying to maintain that muscle as you carve away the body fat and that and the data on failure is pretty clear like in a short term you know applied properly it could lead to great strength gains muscle but for the most part there's no there's no difference except that it hammers the body more so it actually tends to take away people's progress people that preach failure all the time these fitness fanatic you know fitness influencer morons a don't look at the data and b don't you know they that's what they do for a living so and they tend to they tend to express their insecurities through their their media I mean the truth is we have one program that uses failure and it alternates failure weeks so you're not even training failure every single week and it's one program and I don't tell and I tell people not to run it back to back if you're the program we do is you stop about two or three reps short of failure every strength sport in the world by the way strength sports like powerlifting Olympic lifting they've got good workout programming these workout programs that you find online for the most part are but you know these dudes oh you just how you build the most hypertrophy whatever they're not time tested powerlifting programs Olympic lifting programs they were funded by governments and scientists and and they don't train a failure powerlifters don't train a failure until the day of the meet Olympic lifters never train a failure until the day of the meet so uh it's so overrated can you use it as a tool yes but it's so overrated I I almost always recommend especially when you're you're you're playing with sleep and a caloric deficit too so that the time to experiment with stuff like that is in a surplus well rested you know go ahead test your stuff like that but like I said you've done the hard work the physique that you were going to you know come out with at the end of this challenge or present is actually already there like it's there it's now it's like can I preserve as much of this hard work I did well nice just slowly carving away a body fat and there's an art to that there really is of just and let the the diet do the work let the diet do the work I'm trying to work off the fat right that's right that's the mistake that like rookie competitors do that would get doing their first show thinking that they're gonna outwork the ex-competitor to get there and it's like no that's one of the biggest mistakes it's like you already did the hard work the hard work was building all that muscle now it's like this fine line of balancing stress and also maintaining muscle while living in this deficit on this you know 612 however long cut you're going you're going to go into can I ask just real quick so this this whole cut is going to May and then moving forward like I said in my question I don't really have any aspirations for getting on a stage and so beyond this to actually gain maybe a little bit more muscle is the only difference between the two then just caloric consumption eating eating higher that's right and you can handle more volume and more intensity that's right with higher calories so in a cut you can your body can handle less people tend to do the opposite that's what Adam said oh I got to get cut I'm in a deficit so now I'm going to double my workouts like whoa wrong application the opposite when you work out less with less intensity less volume when you're in a deficit once my once my prep started like once it was time for me to get ready for the the six weeks heading into the show or like that I'm just touching weights I'm going in and touching the weights and I'm and I'm trying to move the weight that I was doing the previous week knowing that I'm probably not going to be able to because I'm going to get weaker I'm in a deficit I'm losing and I'm just trying to hang on to that muscle while I'm letting the food do all the cutting that's and the mistake that all these guys make that have a hard time in these cuts is they try and push their body thinking that the harder they get after it the faster they get to this body percentage or the lower they're going to get body percentage and that's just not the body works you're sitting in opposite signal the body it's saying you're not feeding me enough nutrients and now you're pushing me harder than what you were pushing me three four weeks ago like it's going to revolt and it's not going to respond the way it's going to reduce this caloric requirements by reducing muscle and it's going to hold on to body fat as a stress response and it does this by making your hormones go to shit yeah so not a great approach yeah go in there touch the weights let the dance good let the diet do the work you got it man all right well hey I'm actually in columbus so I was thinking of stopping by you guys are going to be a pro gym on Friday we're not now no they yeah it was canceled on us unfortunately so we won't be there are you still going down to the Arnold no no but I'd like to send you a program that I won't see you yeah Chris I'd like to send you one of our programs though let me send you one of our programs power lift I'm gonna send you a map of power lift oh that's fantastic thanks it's not needed but I appreciate it thank you so much you got it man then we that way you get some good workout programming I you didn't say it out loud but I see who's programming you're following yeah I got you we hold back we got you dude all right Chris well thank you appreciate it take it easy man I mean he's got the right approach I like what he said about the two on one off you know the day after the best way to handle that schedule yeah and it's the intensity you just got to modify the intensity I mean you can theoretically work out every day if you modify the intensity uh well enough you know I mean that's where people tend to you can the thing I'd be really cautious of the reason why I didn't like it that much is because I know that he's going into a deficit for a cut that's it that's so if you're going in that way and you're also running a program that is encouraging failure yeah that's going to be rough it's you're really rolled well that's the you're not modifying the intensity then if you're always going to fail right right and at this point there's no reason to do it there's no reason to train to failure at this point you've done the hard work you're not going to build any muscle right now if you're a natural athlete and you are cutting for getting ripped like a bodybuilding show even if you're not going to get on stage but you're doing that you're training with that thought process then at this point it's touch the weights let the diet do the work any more that you do in the training aspect is only going to shoot yourself in the foot hundred percent look we have a free hard gainer guide if you're a hard gainer if you have a tough time building muscle go download our hard gainer guide it's free it'll help you out you can find it at mind pump free calm you can also find all of us on social media justin is on instagram at mind pump justin I'm on instagram at mind pump de stephano and adam is on instagram at mind pump Adam