 Welcome to another edition of Dog Talkin' Coffee with me Richard Hines. Alright, welcome to another edition of Dog Talkin' Coffee with me Richard Hines. And today we are going to be talking about the out command. If I ask for it, out good. I asked this over and over and over and over. I was planning to come out with an instructional, I still will, on how to make a dog out on something. Toy, sleeve, bite suit, so in play or protection. And outing is a critical skill even for a pet dog. So, we're going to jump into that now and talk about how to get your dog to out or let go of things when they're told. Okay, so when we are doing out for play purposes, again for pre-protection, dogs get amped off and they love to play with their toys or fetch a ball and they become obsessed, a lot will not let go, right? They will not give it to you. So, they'll hold on to it, the ball, they hold on to it hard and not let you get out of their mouth. Or, you know, especially when we're playing with protection caliber dogs and doing pre-protection, prep work, bite development, they get really crazy and you start doing the tugs and they don't want to let go, they're so obsessed. Bite pillows. No. Any kind of toy a dog loves, right, pet or pre-protection. And they just won't let them go, they just will not drop them. The more you try to hold on, the more they pull and they pull back and they try and they wing it, right, trying to clamp those jaws shut so that you can't have it. So, when it comes to outing, because we want to continue playing with the toy with them and have a good time, teach the bite works so that when they get really amped up into that craziness of biting and shaking, we say out, they are conscious, very quick, alert, aware even though they're in that state of mind to let go immediately when they hear a say that and let it go quick, right, no nonsense. Okay, so then the key to this is the moment that they do that and they let go, we reward again right away to give the understanding, right, when you let go on cue, right away we will play with it again. It is not that you're not allowed to play with the object. You are, but you must heed the rules of the game and be disciplined because then we can't play together, you are doing it all, hogging the toy and it's not going to be as fun as you think but just sitting there but we have to have a discipline to this. Okay, so we're giving once they out right away, yes or okay and they can bite again and grab onto the object and shake and play and tug, right, whatever it is. So here I let them have, I pull on a little bit, I make more drive, more conflict for him, the more I pull on it, the more I turn them on, right, but the game is here I'm going to relax him, let him feel good. If I ask for it, out good, good boy and immediately he has to let go of the toy and I'm not going to ask him more than once, I want him to let go of it immediately. Okay, and when I say okay he can have it again, right, boy, out, boy okay, right and then we let him get at it, let him get at it and then we ask for the out again and I'm going to explain in a second how I do it. So we're pairing and linking, letting go even through negative, which we'll talk about in a second and then alright and then we let him have it, yes, yes, you see when you let go, we play again, it's okay to play with this toy, I encourage it, it is not, I'm disciplining you because for you touching this object, so here is how we do it, so here I'll use axle for a second and I'm just teaching him right now, right here, how to let go of this ball, he has no out yet, no rules, he's toy crazy and he will not let go of things, so I need to teach him how to let go right now so that when I teach him protection very shortly in the next few weeks that he will let go of the sleeves, when I tell him he will let go of the suit when he's told and we have a discipline, right, that he just lets go even when he's in a high adrenal state, high aggression state, he must listen even though he's in those states when I say let go, I don't care, you're shaking and aggressive, you hear me always and you let go, no matter what, so pay attention, okay, unacceptable that if I tell you to out even in aggression and protection work that you need to do it quickly and right away, let go no exceptions, so here I play with the ball with him, he's going to be grabbing it he's not going to let go of it, I hold it and I start tapping with the collar he lets go, I tell him it's okay and we play with the ball again ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, good boy, okay, ah, ah, ah, ow, good boy, good boy alright so here with Axl, you're going to see I have the ball, the string, he's pulling again, he never lets go, he doesn't let go of things, he's very intense treats won't do it, he will not redirect for that, when you have these kind of working dogs the toys and the tugging and the shaking override treats, you cannot get him to let go that way but so you're going to see, I tell him out and what I'm doing is I have the E collar and I'm hitting the nick button and just going tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap until you see he lets go, okay, so during this clip that's what's happening I have the E collar behind my back and every time I say out I'm just going tap, tap, tap, tap with the nick button until he lets go I'm using very low pressure, I want good response, I don't want fear I want him to let go and then re-engage with the toy again when I tell him okay so the levels are not that high, it's about his obedience level so you see here in a clip, that is what's going on okay and now here, same session, this is still his first session ever of outing now here I don't have the toy, I'm not holding on to it, he's holding on to it and I'm testing now after 5, 10 minutes or whatever it was of teaching him to out now I want to advance it and just have my hands down, behind me, inside, whatever and he's got the ball in his mouth, I'm just going to say out and I'm not going to touch him and he'll drop the ball and what he has to learn is when I say okay to be able to go and touch it again so I say out, he'll let it go, when I say okay he's allowed to grab it again now since it's his first session in this next clip I'm going to help him a little bit here or there just for him to be sure that he's allowed to go touch it again so things like bending over a little bit to go towards the ball when I say okay to help him or kick the ball to make it move when I say okay that it's all good, you can chase it whatever okay it's just linking the behavior for him helping a little bit since it's his first time ever and he did fantastic for the first time ever so here's a little bit of advancement of in the first session out, okay, good boy, good boy out, okay, okay, good boy good, good boy, good boy out, good, okay okay, perfect, great for the first session okay and all positive meaning with the collar there was no exchange or anything like that treats or anything just a tiny little bit of annoying him with the collar for him to let go and again he will not let go of things he's very tenacious about grabbing things and never letting it go and you see very quickly with good attitude not afraid, play with the ball again no problem at all when you do it correctly so now here that other golden that this one here that I tell him out he lets go right away on the little string there he goes and grabs it and he lets go if I ask for it out, good, good boy hey, good boy good boy, okay, great that golden is insane about toys, right he was very aggressive when it came to possessing toys any other puppy would come near him he would viciously attack him he's very possessive over anything he's playing with so when I would go to do it with him he would never let go like he would never let go and I tried food to do it in a positive way wasn't going to happen his drive was way too strong right and overrode food so I had no choice with him and that's how he was letting go as well he had to go that route too now, there's the second way okay, if I can I'll do food to exchange so here with this golden puppy teaching him to retrieve he's going to be a service dog and every time he goes out and gets an object he comes back I reward with food for him letting go of the object and then I throw it again for him he comes back the moment he gets back to me I grab on to it I tell him out I give him food he lets go good and I throw it good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy good boy so if you have a dog that will play that game with you and not be so crazy and tenacious over it then you can get away with treat exchange okay now one thing you have to be careful with treat exchange is that a lot of times when a puppy knows that you have the reward or dog they don't go out and get the toy anymore if they have really strong food drive they just sit by you and go I'm not going to go get it you have the food let me have it here so you have to have a little bit of patience and technique right when a dog is so crazy of the food now they don't want to go get it anymore and a lot of times they'll go get it pick it up, drop it in the beginning they run back to you and they don't even bring it back yet because they're already on the food thing so that can happen often too so you have to have good technique with that and patience but that's a subject another subject on how to retrieve but simple there with that puppy gives it to me out he gets treat and then I throw again for him as a double reward he gets treated for the out and then he gets the thing thrown again for him to go get it okay so there are the two options depending on your puppy or dog right most working dog especially if they're older you know eight months up the food drive they're already done with that and anything that they can tug and bite and grab most generalization most will not take food anymore once they get toy crazy and the e-collar is going to be necessary and having that especially when they go on the bites because we're not doing sport biting right where it's all playing it's fun and it's not aggression it's just playing on somebody it's a big difference from a protection dog that we do that goes and bites somebody on the suit and you hear that they're in a different state of mind than a sport dog so you see a lot of sport people a lot of sport dogs they'll take a tug out and come off the sleeve or the suit and give them a toy right because they have very prey driven dogs the game of protection in Shusten and Ring sports is very prey driven strictly so it's not teaching them in the sport aggression right and I've said this many times so you'll see trainers do that and go okay yes and give them a bumper coming off somebody off the bite and do that if it works for you sure right can add that in but just keep in mind that's why it's difficult without pressure when you're doing real protection and not sport protection right there's two completely different states of mind in this now and that's why with the e-collar we're strictly going e-collar so we go to Sue's piece of cake you know we put them in real aggression and they're fired up and it's very easy you know the first time we might have to use the collar just to let them know now that the suit thing and you really want to get this guy all rules apply so then we never have to touch them with e-collars again it's only the very beginning probably first day and from there on when they're really maxed you know maxed out and really engaged aggressively hardcore they still can listen and let go and they do not need to be e-collared right they understand the game and then we let the decoy quickly give a bite again in return ah right so the decoy becomes the object of reward the dog lets go the first time told and then the decoys move in certain whatever direction to let the dog know it's okay to bite again because the decoy moved and now they sit there and they wait because they know that reward will probably come if they let go of the person quickly and they wait for them to make a move so they're zoned in and then the decoy moves away and the dog's not to bite again that is how you reward in protection work instead of now with a toy so that is the game of how to do the out that is how to teach your dog to out you have the e-collar version you have the treat version okay whatever works for your dog so I'm Richard Heinz and I will see you on the next video