 Welcom to Toffy TV, today I'm joined by Andy El-Pavotti. Andy, awa, yw'r mwyth? Nawr, sy'n fad ddangos fel. Nid yw'n fad o'r ôl. Catching the sun. I thought we'd do a little show about transfers. Obviously lots of transfer room is going on at the moment. Not much transfers, but I thought we'd have a chat about some of them. The first one I want to talk about is Heavon Lisano. It's been mentioned again today in the press. Obviously Marcel Brans took him over through PS3 in Holland, and Carlo Anzolotti wanted them at Napoli. Everton Malinkbyr on last summer and he ended up going to Napoli. So what do you think about him? I think Lisano is some English clubs have looked at obviously when he played the next one in the World Cup, especially that German game, he was fantastic showing his viewers' pace and score and ability. I think clubs would have, and any issue clubs possibly would have, is whether he could physically play in the Premier League. He hasn't really set the Italian League on fire. He's done okay, he's done me wrong, but it has been a bit of a step up for him. I don't think he's happy, and if the Italy is a tough league, some players succeed there, some players don't, much like the Premier League. I think it makes pretty obvious, I think obviously Carlo knows him well, Marcel Brans knows him well. He's not naturally a right side of players, what I would say, but in the type of player he is, he does fit. I think he's better cut on his right foot off the left, so that possibly is an issue, if you will. But he could be an option. He is the right type of player. It's just that whether Everton would be able to spend the money to get him out of Napoli, he spent £84 million on him last summer, I think. So he probably won, he's 25, 26, and I think that's a bit rich for a player who's put, obviously, at risk markers against himself. Like we discussed off camera there, possibly a loan might be the idea. Possibly, I mean, the link is there. He's got 23 appearances for Napoli this season. He has scored three goals and had two assists. He's played on both the right hand and the left for them this season, apparently gets you so, he's not convinced by him. And you just look and wonder whether, again, Rae Ola's influence, you wonder whether or not, you know, a loan move would shoot everybody. It'd give Everton the opportunity to look at him in the Premier League. Napoli could have a look and it might put them in a stronger position in 12 months' time to get a better fee for him, maybe, if he does well. They want him, I think they want him off the ways. They're not going to use him. They want him off the club. And a lot of clubs may have to do, may have to do deals, this summer which are loan deals, to try and just move people out. Whereas, you know, maybe before this pandemic, people would have been looking just to sell, but values are dropped. And it might be way to some clubs to hang off on that for 12 months and get a better value next summer, if things have kind of returned to normal by then. Like you say, he's a player who is more suited to cutting in off the right hand, sorry, off the left hand side of his right foot, but he has played a number of games down the right hand side as well. So he's a hard worker as well, which kind of fits into Everton's model. I think he suits the style of playing as I said. You know, it's just a quick look on the left is right wing data. But yeah, if to someone who's, you know, that's the type of player we're looking for, and people have linked us with Hammers-Rodrigus, and they've linked us with other players who are not really right wingers, they're not the type of player they're looking for. I think they want to add a third goal scorer to see, to go along with Rich Arston and Donnie Carver-Lewin. And that's the physician they want to add. That's where we're going to get the creativity from. You can cut inside and be in that number 10. So, yeah, I think that's, I think, you know, when Lozano does meet that a lot as well, we'll just get up and see how many games he's played on the right hand side. So this season he's played, yeah, he's played a few games on the right. He's played a few games on the right. He switched sides a lot, not to say. So yeah, he's not scored any goals. He's got one assist to 400. He's played 400 minutes on the right hand side this season and he's cut the magic of technology. He's played over 5,000 minutes on the right wings and scored 32 goals and got 16 assists overall. So that's positive, really. I think a lot of them are international games, but even so he shows that he can do well on that side in terms of he's scored a lot of goals from that right hand side position. So maybe it's an option, yeah. Yeah, that's what he wants. Someone who can create and score goals, I think he does definitely meet that type of player, just whether they feel he sees the right hand side or obviously in a 4-4-2, we need someone who can defend well as well. We obviously see in the game at Arsenal, where Adobe and Sadiabi were exposed on that right hand side. You need to be able to defend your position on that ball, it's very important. So yeah, it could potentially be someone we look at, as I say, as a lone move. It makes sense, it gives us the option then to continue looking for other players while also seeing how he does. Similar to Sadiabi this season, that type of move. I think another player who was mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I think we might have mentioned him on our last one, but I've seen it again. The back end of last week was Jens Elunde at Roma. He is someone who does play on the right, but he's predominantly left-fluttered. If you had a choice, would he get the nod over Lazarnam for you or is it very much a case of 50-50? I think that there's got to be a chance of adapting to the family league, but again, you know, you can't see the difference in terms of level of ability. I think Undez had a couple of up-and-down seasons. He's had seasons where he's been very creative, but hasn't scored goals. And then the opposite, he's scored goals, but hasn't been very creative. So he's ready. I think now to step up and start going into his primary, he's going to put up all the seasons again. The thing about Undez, he is left-fluttered, but he's not afraid to pass across from his right foot. He does wear hard off the ball again. So that is the type of wing we'll be looking at. I think the issue is, when you look at players for that right-hand side, it's such a date across Wales, but at all levels, really, it's hard to find goalscores who are naturally right-sided. So it's a tough job, and that's why obviously the IP has been floated out before about to sign the striker and playing with Charleston on the right, which is obviously an option that we have, which we wouldn't like to do, but... We've got a lad in our squad who is playing off-front at the moment in the Charleston and who can play on that right-hand side and bring goals to that position. You write this when you're thinking and you're looking around your... There ain't that many which is why, you know, the premium, aren't they? When you're looking around, certainly players who are playing in the top five, trying to get someone off that right-hand side who gets you a certain number of goals. You're going to be paying big, big money for, I mean. We've mentioned Crepen Theatru, isn't it? One of those top five leagues, but I can play on that right-hand side, I can play right wing back as well and can offer some goals, but the goals are getting measured from the Belgian league, aren't they? So that will be obviously a question mark. I've seen big links to Jonathan David and O Liverpool have been linked with him as well on Arsenal. He's another one who's doing really well in the Belgian league, he won. He's someone who can play on the right, can play off-front as well. Is he someone who you think has the capability to play in the Premier League or is it still again a flip of a coin? Yeah, I'm a big fan of Jonathan David. I saw him 18 months ago when he first moved to Kenton. He was very good then, he's even better now. He scored only 30 goals over the last 12 months. You know, he's an exceptional talent. For me, he's going to play on the evident team, he's in a position now, he's moving to the right onside. He's better dropping off. Well, Jonathan Calvert, he's obviously put his buzzing in around and creating score and goals, feeding off him. That suits him better. Again, I know people again, I think David won probably 25 days in a month. That was pre-coronavirus. Whether that's the same price now, he's still going to be a premium for a Belgian league player. That's why we tend to shop in the top five league. But yeah, I certainly think Jonathan David is going to be a really good player in the future. I hope everyone will look at that. What do you think about Deater? Do you think he's capable of making it over there? You know what? I love Deater. I think he's going to be, he's 21 now. I think he's going to be a super player in a couple of years. I think his pace, his directness, he can create chances, he can score goals. He's got good speed of thought. I think he's going to develop. He's going to be a really, really good player. Again, the next move is really important soon. If he goes to the wrong club and gets stuck behind players, he's really detrimental to him. But if he goes to the right club, I think he's going to really step up and become a really good right wing. He's got that talent. Stiching on the right-hand side, you mentioned before, Gabriel C, that we spoke off-camera before about John Joe Kenny. There's been a story this weekend. It was Bill, I think, ran the story. It might have been Friday. He's talking about potentially Kenny remaining at Everton for next season now. They weren't saying it would definitely happen. They were saying, I want to keep him, he wants to stay. But Everton may look at it, given what's happened with COVID-19, may have to focus where they spend their money and, basically, giving John Joe Kenny a year to prove himself. He's done well as in the Bundesliga this season. But as he's done well enough to convince you that he can do it for Everton? I like John Joe. I think he's a good player. I think the only thing that he lacks, Trent Alexander-Arnold isn't this type, but he's obviously a different type of right-back. He lacks that explosiveness that you want from a right-back John Joe. He doesn't really carry the ball. He's not bad, but he can't really beat him. He's not ashamed as Coleman, if you will. He's a good passer, but, again, in the final there, they just think he lacks something that you want from a right-back. Everton, under Carlo Ancelotti, obviously looking towards the top of the league. I think John Joe really is, I'd say more of a player, he's probably going to be on the table side. I think that's the upper limit of his ability. Now he may bring me on, which I can't believe he did, but I don't see him as Everton's future number one right-back. I think he's a good right-back. I just don't think he's top of the league. I think if he had that extra yard, I think he'd be a really good player. Defensively, there's still too many lapses for me. I think the concentration levels need to be a bit better. But, again, I think if we thought, we'll give John Joe a year, we'll save the money from buying a right-back and we'll put it into the positions where we are and we'll have desperate needs. I haven't got players to bring back in. Then, yeah, that won't be a wise move because obviously he could play, I'd say he'd be a six, a seven, but there's no harm in us doing that. So that is definitely an option, I think. That's a good option for that as well. It's a good position to be in if you can't find someone who's within budget, then we can have a lot of brilliant back into the ball. I think just looking at the way anti a lot of these teams play as well, there's a lot of emphasis on the full-backs, isn't there? So he almost has to develop that side of his game. That's something that's really good at. And now there's a lot of people worrying about him defensively and we do as well. He's out of position and a little bit lax of days, he's getting back. Antisipation. I know Sadeeb, he's had the most tackles and the most interceptions in our team now, which is mad, but that's half the time, because he's always trying to pinch the ball rather than defending. And when it works, it's great, but when it doesn't work, he's out the game and it ain't great for a right back. So, you know, what Kenny will give us defensively over Sadeeb we probably lose in offensive. And that's something that's been really highlighted this season, the difference between him and Seamus Coleman. Seamus has probably still better defensively than what Sadeeb is, but Sadeeb, it's like night and day when the pair of them play, when they cross the halfway line. At both ends, so Sadeeb, when he crosses offensively, we look like a really good team, we look like a good player, and defensively, when we cross Coleman, is then the better player defending. So, it's something that maybe we could cope with, but you're right, if we're trying to get into the European places and into the Champions League on a regular basis, or at least fighting to get into the Champions League, we're going to need, probably, we're going to need someone like Luca D'Ain at right back at me, that kind of ability on the other side. There's just two ways we can go, we can get someone who's dying out, because, obviously, Carla was high-sad, she was at the Albanian right back, and he's a flying, flying right back up and down really fast. You take players on, causes a lot of problems, but then you saw it in the early games where you use Seamus Coleman almost as a third-time back, and sort of how Luca D'Ain pushed on there. So, there's a way, you can spoken mirrors it really, if you didn't, you ain't comp, to get through a season maybe isn't the best, but you could have, you know, I can have two sets like Gabriella, if you get them for us, and Yeri Mina, and have them, a sort of a bit of back change. And then Luca D'Ain can come forward then. It's still 4-4-2, it's just a variation on what they can do, so that's an option as well. So, yeah, I think, Evan, obviously, I've got to consider that, you know, that we probably have got money, but I'd say it's not, you know, it won't be a massive budget, because, obviously, unless the regulations covers the COVID-19, because we've probably not had any money, the sponsorships probably stored and other things, we probably need to, you know, save our pennies, so maybe we'll say, right back, we'll delay buying some, it's possible. I saw you having a conversation on Twitter about Kenny Teddy, the Leon, back up right back, he said. So, what's drawn you to him, and? So, it's just a couple of things really. I was trying to think the play is that, you know, could you say that it's a right back situation? I'd say someone's been mentioned before in the past, obviously, you know, he came through that, you know, at IAX, he's, you know, what are things touching internationally. He's the back-up right back for Leon, but he's played a lot this season, because Leo Dubois is the normal right back to be injured this season. So, Kenny's played a lot of games, and when I've watched him, he's been good, he's very good defensively, big, strong, fast, and when he gets into the fans there, he's good, you know, I'd say he's like 85% of what's to be, you know, if you look at, I did a comparison, there's a comparison, which I'll show people if we can see the sign in them, that, you know, he is quite similar to Steve, he does that effect again in the final phase, and his agent's been O'Raiola, which obviously Brandon's got a great relationship with, and he's only got the year left on his deal, which obviously less than the price. And he's already signed Raphael the Silver of Manchester United, of course. He's been signed into a new contract last year, and Dubois signed a new contract. So, he feels like he's got him on out, and he's a potential player of the club a look at whether he feels he's enough of an upgrade on what we have, I think he's an upgrade, but maybe they want to shoot for the stars on to someone like Max Aaron, or maybe he's obviously in order to have to go down, but that's the type of player we should be looking at. I think there'll be players that have it and should be looking at trying to exploit the market, where their prices are going to drop because they've only got a year left. And you might get them for under 10 million, they could be really good players for a year or two, while you obviously stop the squad in other positions. It is really interesting, isn't it? I've seen there's 57 Premier League players out of contract on June 30, or July 1, whichever way you look at it. Obviously Chelsea have got a couple of them, William and Giroux, and there's quite a few players who won't have the contract renewed as well, so whether or not Evan will be looking at any free transfers, I don't know. But obviously we've spoke about the centre midfield area being a big upgrade Evan need. It's great to see Andre Gomez back ahead of his time. And who knows that this break might be exactly what he needed. Coming back quickly and then being able to build himself up slowly again, while not missing games, so that if and when, or rather when, they return to training and return back to football, he will be at a much better level than he was when we played the Chelsea game in the week. So I think it's a great opportunity to see him confidence wise as well and fresh in everything else. Because emotionally, you know, you break your ankle or dislocate your ankle like you did and then it's the adrenaline as I want to get back playing and you rush through stuff and your body can pick up little things or your confidence wherever, but every week that goes by in his training and it's fine, the confidence is back up. So it's good to have him ready available. John-Philippe Gabbaman, as well. Obviously, he's had a nightmare season in terms of the way it fell for him. But he's a player, he's a player, isn't he, and who could potentially solve a lot of problems for Everton in that area. And I'm not saying that once Gabbaman's fifth win, then we don't need to buy another midfielder because I think we do, I think we need another. John-Philippe Gabbaman, incase there's an issue with Gomez and incase there's an issue with Gabbaman, I don't want us falling short, but he's a player that potentially could certainly improve this evidence side, isn't he, Gabbaman? John-Philippe Gabbaman, I think sadly for Gabbaman it's obviously that those two games start the season and it was a bit of a, he was typically fit, I think he said that himself at the time and I think he probably was carrying the injury slightly. I don't know what happened with the injury but he's in his store this time. I don't understand why, but I think there's an element of what have you done for me lately because if you haven't seen players for a long time you tend to pick up on what you've seen and people forget that Gabbaman was a really, really good player. People forget that there's a reason Marcell brands decide to spend money on the side of the sign and why we chased him and lowered the price when he's a very good defensive dealer. So people need to remember that when you think of a player that ever and I think he's very strong defensively he plays centre back of course which obviously gives him that base utility because he might be keen having two years left he may sell them so obviously he'll have those gifts but maybe we'll need another possible experience option and he can play that role but as you know intensively he's carrying the ball strong, quick and he wins the ball winner which we like this season he'll have to give it to Gomez Morgan Schneiderlin Gilbert Sigarton in the centre of the park and they're not really ballers obviously they're not consistent ballers as Gabbaman is someone who's got good anticipation reads the game well cuts off runners from the field if you look at that Chelsea game when Gomez played in the field as he played next to Tom Davis didn't he it was just every time the ball went through the field it was some massive gap and we need someone to give us that structure Good pass out of the ball left and right foot switches to play loves that switch to play doesn't he and can take you up can take you up the pitch 40, 50 yards what were his numbers like in his last season at Mines I thought he was quite good Yeah the way there's some effect on them because what happened last season at Mines he usually played in the defence in the field he played in the sixth last season back in the defence in the field and he moved John to the Gabbaman to try and get them up the pitch more in the box he put up good numbers he plays all the four passes in the final he carries the ball well up the pitch especially in transition so he wins the ball back gets on his bike, gets out and get out he got mounts up the field he creates a good number of chances for defence in the field there obviously he plays smart passes he played those intelligent balls in behind played a lot of three passes last season in terms of ball winning he was born on the both average rate in the Bundesliga he put up the same numbers in the premiership he put them in the 75% so he won the top 10 in terms of winning the ball back he is what we're missing and you are right that we should be also looking for someone else because you need that competition we could say in games where you won't play Gomez and you'll play two destroyers in the field we need those options at the moment you're playing, you know, we're going to try and he's a nice player but he's not the right type of a needy, you know, he beth there's a six and a three they won't play a three anymore it's time to sort of look beyond him and we need someone else to win the ball back enough to get us because look, we've got Donna Carver doing and Richard Alston with that pace if the man can win the ball back and switch the ball, you know it's going to pass some games it's going to give us more opportunities for goals it's going to be a bit more fair to go back when he's obviously had a bad time and season with injuries but people need to remember how good he was at mind to why we signed he could come back and be a master player I'm confident he will come in and be a big player for us and will help us physique wise as well, he's a big lad as well just the way the Premier League is you need that power don't you in midfield, the power and pace and you look back to Everton's last game that Chelsea that midfield was far too easy to just waltz through that day you had Gomez, Davis and Shigarton who might well have not been on the pitch that day it was an awful display this is the thing with the 440 you need that structure in midfield we spoke about that in the past I think you need that type of players to give you structure in midfield because if it breaks down obviously in that Chelsea game you obviously have a lot of space to run into and it obviously caused us a lot of problems if you had something like a Gabam in that study or another defensive midfield to cut off those run and those baton lanes it would obviously help us and not concede as many chances so it's a very important upgrade and obviously him being back fit will help us now as well definitely and again he's another one who might benefit from the fact that we've had this break it's given him the opportunity to maybe further along in his rehabilitation then what would have happened because what we'd probably only had two or three games left now wouldn't we if things would have gone to being normal I suppose we'd have been going into the final three it's no need for him to rush back but now no no I was going to say but now we might end up playing three or four games before this season has finished season has finished which is going to help him real end because I think obviously there's an adaptation process for the Premier League and obviously people are seeing that you've probably touched too much when he first came in he lost the ball a couple of times I think boys teams say that we suffer the same thing in the Premier League you face such easy time and you get out of your thing quickly and I think the quicker he adapts the better and I think obviously playing a couple of games we don't have to rush back as well it'll benefit him on that One more player who has been mentioned in that role and I'll be honest I don't know an awful lot about him I know he is Santa Maria you know tell us about him Big strong he's quick over 5 or 10 yards he's got a great range of pass he breaks up play again he's played as a six he plays the Finan Dynio role but again if he could adapt to 4-4-2 in terms of the value for money sign he'd probably be a really good sign he wouldn't be above Samaria I think they are not maybe not a level but I just think they are better players but he would be certainly a good sign I think he would have a great competition in Govan and Gomez he makes sense from a value standpoint unless the price comes down he's like Santa Maria but the price is dropping but he probably won't be shopping in that 30-40 million mark he probably want to look at the 20 late teams for players and Santa Maria he definitely will be an option he's a good player I think overall I think that's the type of player he's ready to step up into level and team he's done well for Ange but now's the time to make a move but you still choose Sangaria over him obviously a bias towards Sangaria since he's been like your pet project for the last 18 months for me I think where the Sangaria ever reached this level is potential for him to be like a mini GI at all and the fact that he can he obviously brings the ball up a level he's not quite gone again levels but close enough to it he could also be a real calm for the teams when he starts going forward causing problems by running the teams breaking down defences so I think there's a level that Sangaria could go to but Santa Maria is a really good player I don't think it will be upset to try and sign a player like that and finally there's just obviously yesterday stories about Jordan Pickford Chelsea Chelsea very interested in England's number one apparently which has kicked off a debate of would you sell what's your thoughts on on Pickford whether you'd sell or not I think I've said a lot of times I'm not Jordan Pickford's biggest fan I think he was quite a promise when he first came so I don't think he's developed as he should have I think there's still the same problems of lack of concentration and not anticipating things he doesn't see play the bell if it's a position himself well enough I think he's got great reactions which is why he makes so many good saves at times I just think that he lacks you look at the best goalkeepers in the league like Alice Neverson he makes saves look easy reaction saves I just think it's evident I want to win things I think you need the goalkeeper Jordan Pickford is pretty sick of his so you personally you tell him would you have the right offer coming I wouldn't sell on this summit I don't think we're going to sell on this summit I think people don't have to be patient I think you'll have another year to prove himself on the car I don't think there's going to be a market to sell to pick it in there's a proportion of data here from FBF the two-way goalkeepers in the league in terms of post shot XG which you talked about XG before you expected to save a certain amount of goals going in given the type of the two-way goalkeepers in the league on that so Chelsea wouldn't be upgrading by Simon Jordan on that same as say you presented another data pickford and Kepper the two goalkeepers who play regularly in the league I just don't think there's a market for Jordan Pickford currently in West West obviously goes in crazy ways again I just don't think there's a market for Jordan Pickford and Kepper hopefully improves and we'll have another year I mean I still I've got faith in him I still think he can grow what I would say is is fair season that he was there under Cwm and I thought he was brilliant I think the second season he was still okay and I think under silver he was he ended up I think under silver with the fourth most clean sheets in Silver's fair season which means he was okay but this season I think he's being way off it compared to what he has I've had a look today some of the goals he's being beaten like the Xs some of the goals he's been beaten by like 2% or something mad you know and Fernandez's goal you know you know goals that you'd expect them to save he's letting in I'm just putting it down to a poor season from him and expecting them to be back on it next season and really getting back up to the plate and if he isn't then I would say he's probably actively looking to move him on I think I would pick for this I think this is what happens with goalkeepers he's signed from lower down the league obviously he was at Sunderland he faced a lot of shots he was making a lot of saves so obviously from an eye test perspective he was making a lot of what I catch and saves I think similar with Mignolay when he moved to Liverpool his participation became much more prevalent skills that he needed and I think this season ever he's just been found a bit less and I think on that fair season on the Cwm I think you wear a poor cycle because the Cwm got the sack I think that may be soothing because it was not true to Sunderland but on the fair after that season I just think that he's just not the level required to be a Champions League goalkeeper and I think there's no doubt about that in my mind he's just not a Champions League level goalkeeper and we have to be ruthless here and in 12 months time I expect us to sign him with a keeper Who knows who knows all will be revealed obviously He might prove me massively wrong I hope he does I always say I hope he will be wrong because if he do then that means he's better forever That's the trot and bottom of it isn't it if we say we don't think X, Y or Z that's good enough and they then prove that they are then that's great because it means Everton are doing better but we'll have to see what happens if Chelsea came in with a big offer and Everton could get down a rumour for half the price then it's a no brainer what's a no brainer is it if you say a goalkeeper who's doing better you take it Strykosia or Reihabitch there's a lot of good goalkeepers out there I think people the better your goal is the more chance you've got to do them better I think a goalkeeper is going to become a quite highly sought after position where people are spending more on obviously Liverpool did and Chelsea did to the detriment Let's leave it there then mate great to catch up with you great to catch up with you let's do this regularly as we move forward have a chat about all these players that we might not be signing who knows cheers and big thanks to Andy Day for joining us make sure you give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos like this get over to Peyton as well where hopefully soon you'll see me 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