 Good day, May 40 here. I think we found some recent quiet where we can have this important conversation Back to Alex Gashuta here. She's interviewing Sex researcher Michael Bailey What the heck? So this is Podcast it's called subversive and that he specializes in general field of sex research, but he's very Controversial for the work that he's done with regard to the transgendered Transsexuals so he notes that Some of them are homosexuals who've just always been ultra-feminine and they're just taking their femininity to the logical conclusion and they're those who are simply just in love with themselves and They get an erotic excitement from addressing up as as a woman and imagine imagining themselves, you know making love to themselves and And so this thesis is highly controversial It's gotten a lot of pushback and there are all these websites out there devoted to making his life as as miserable as possible So he's managed to maintain his position as a researcher giving uncomfortable truths about the nature of sexual identity is also written about people who are pedophiles and He's gone into some dangerous areas Getting tremendous pushback for it. So I'm waiting for this to queue up. I've been listening to a book on Robert Moses who was a tremendous bureaucrat and power broker in New York City and He was a parks commissioner. He got you know all sorts of roads and highways and bridges built Often called the most powerful man in New York City between about 1930 and about 1960 He also got a PhD from Philadelphia And he had a good friend Al Smith So Al Smith was a very popular New York governor who ran for president for the Democratic Party in 1928 was soundly defeated and Then in 1932 Franklin Delano Roosevelt captured the Democratic Party nomination And Al Smith was devastated. His career in politics was over even though he was so so popular and so he tried to find his way in business And he didn't actually take to business. He wanted to be in public service But he couldn't get any traction. So he just became a very bitter old man Over his last 30 years. So he'd gone from this powerful popular person Who was admired who was talked about as a future president of the United States And then he becomes nobody Bloody hell just trying to call out this podcast here and it won't play That's nuts Just as I'm trying to Get my show going just as I found a nice quiet place Yeah, Sydney Harbor I've got five Okay, I've got five bars. So come on Five bars shouldn't be that that difficult to uh to play All this reception to burn Finally got peace and quiet so many things go into doing a show And I make sure that everything has power That the audio is going to be good because there's not too much wind But I've located the right timestamps to comment on I've got my ducks in a row got my thoughts in order Now as I pull up Alex Koshuda, she's letting me down Letting me down In general like there's been plenty of you know very uh self Okay politics because there's a lot of sort of fun with politics, I think This is Alex talking to a guy named Sosa certain people who were very adamantly religious particularly christian Like I was raised christian like I've got no problem with christianity in and of itself But people that think that that's sort of an adult be all political solution. I just who exactly thinks that I don't know anyone who thinks that Right, who's this straw man that he's speaking out against I think that's Accurate, I think that's been tried before too like particularly in like the 70s and 80s with the religious right The evangelicals in America and their sort of attempts to make you know christianity into this political force I think not only is that not affected politically but I also think that's a little disingenuous in terms of the knowledge Oh, so this guy knows he knows the eternal essence of christianity This guy is a scholar of christianity And he knows what is its platonic essence and its platonic essence is to step aside from worldly concerns such as As politics look first of all he's coming at this from a naturalistic perspective So if you're going to come at religion from a naturalistic perspective Then you'd need to see it as a subset of culture That is adaptive for people at dealing with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune It's something that provides comfort to people And it's an adaptive mechanism means that you know It helps people deal with a changing and painful difficult world around them And so how it then helps them deal with this changing painful difficult world around them It's going to vary depending on time and place. There's no essential Christianity Christianity is different in Africa different in Australia different in california different in new york city different in Norway and russia right and japan And so every living organism tries to create an environment is most conducive for its thriving Right That's true for christians, too Why would christians not want to create an environment that is most conducive for their thriving? Every living organism does this birds do it bees do it But why would christians not do it as well? Christianity is so much bigger than just politics. It's a belief system. It's a matter of faith And that's going to obviously inform people's political views, but to use it as a tool for political game I think is But in effect of poor politics, and I think it's this ingenious For theology that by myself I would consider myself a Nietzschean if I had to give myself a philosophy That sort of underpins the things that I believe in the way that I view the world I certainly have no problem with christianity. I certainly is going to play a big role moving forward for different nationalist movements different Components of the dissent are right that it's good like tradition obviously is very important, and I think you shouldn't sort of have There's a lot of people that take it too far. I think they are very specific. I think christianity or any religion in general has no place in Just in politics because there's a lot of things that you could argue Are problems in this world? Like the war is a very complicated place, right? You can't you know draw up these very neat cut and dry distinctions between the religious and the political and And the cultural and the personal and the psychological. They're all constantly interacting with each other I'm trying to get out of the sun here Trying to find some shade So my phones don't overheat That sort of stem out of a christian perspective A sense of universalism or egalitarianism this idea that all men are equal before god can be taken to an extreme politically and socially that I don't think it's true christianity in general like there's been plenty of you Yeah, everything can be taken to an extreme water can be taken to an extreme. So what? Very uh, it's not Nationalists christians who are both eagerly nationalist and eagerly christian But certainly you can look on the flip side and see that many cases the left has used christianity as a mechanism Or a vehicle to spread like marxist ideology. Yeah christianity is almost infinitely flexible It can become an instrument of the left or of the right Can't become an instrument for racism or an instrument for anti-racism can become an instrument for nationalism Or an instrument for universalism and egalitarianism The feminism or for patriarchy, right? It's It's almost infinitely flexible And the same could be said for judaism In terms of egalitarianism, that's great leveling and I think that's not without you know reason I think there are there are things that can be used with christianity Maybe maliciously or maybe even with passive intentions to push certain political and social ideas that are detrimental to The health of the nation Yeah, everything can be pushed in a way that's detrimental to the health of the nation That's nothing unique to christianity. The same can be said of music or television or sports Economics in a nutshell, I think that's sort of where my issues with People that view christianity as like the singular most important factor of just the right politics is that it's And who's this right decent right politics? All right is is overwhelmingly an atheist space all the important intellectuals on the distant right are atheists right the most religious Important intellectual on the distant right is Drew Fraser who I'm not at all sure believes in a transcendent god He just views christianity as the best political cultural solution for our ills I'm not sure he believes anything you know transcendent eternal It's not actually all the answers from the one Yeah, I I also no one says this Who is saying that christianity has all the answers? right just he's just trying to deny And downgrade and destroy a straw man I'm slowly coming to that conclusion in the sense that I I thought a little bit about you know the the appeal of Something like integralism just in the sense of okay, you have an external moral framework. It's an errand. It's based in some Yeah, it helps right if you want to believe in objective good and evil Right, you need a transcendent moral code. You need a source above your opinion and someone else's opinion All right, so to have objective good and evil you need to make a subjective leap of faith for some kind of transcendent source A religious text such as the bible that Can be used to outline what is then called objectively good evil It's a very good organizing principle for individuals lives and for society External observer and then just by anchoring into something you you know essentially can build a more solid structure around it I don't think that's possible. I don't think necessarily religion is something that translates into politics in any good way You know you you don't think that's possible to anchor your life in in christianity or to anchor your community in christianity You won't have good politics and you won't have good religion if you if you married the two You know it should Why why not like every living organism wants to create the most conducive environment for its thriving Why would this not be Equally true for christians as it is for birds and for bees and for bugs and for gorillas Be I think for for people in our sphere and in general should be a matter of personal commitments And nothing that you know that that flows into politics because it does ignore a lot of very important Elements like for example immigration like under an eric. Oh, so christians have never had an opinion on immigration Really, there's no thought about immigration restriction among people calling themselves a christian nationalist these days Right to the extent that i'm aware of christian nationalists. They seem to be very on board with immigration restriction You know a christian system They just come in you say the appropriate words and you make the appropriate commitments, you know Honestly, you're dishonestly and then politically even um, you become a sort of de facto citizen of the of the new And who exactly advocates for this because christian nationalists would be the last people to advocate what she was just talking about Who system there's no really there's a reason to exclude anyone or to have any sort of um Ranking or hierarchy or preference system if the the baseline is okay. Do you accept? You know, um, the lord extra wind depending on what your religious system is So, yeah, I think that's that's a really big blind spot Yeah, I think oh that's a blind spot. That's something christians have never thought of you realize that christian nationalists have never thought of that Look at this lizard here hanging over my my box of electronic equipment aren't christians lucky that alex cashews came along And pointed out this blind spot that would never have occurred to them If she hadn't come along Charlie lucky What's also curious, too, is if you look at like certain organizations that have been like the allows proponents of immigration, particularly America like More often than not they're like christian charities and I can empathize with the idea of like, you know, helping, you know Yeah, sometimes christianity is a force for racialism. Sometimes it's a force for anti-racism Sometimes it's a force for nationalism. Sometimes it's a force for globalism and universalism and egalitarianism Christianity is almost infinitely flexible as is Judaism So for hundreds of years christianity marched In unison with the state in england and in france. It helped the growth of national racial identity, you know throughout europe And then helped give the europeans the strength and the will and the desire to go out into the world and to subdue it and to conquer it To meet in the form but at the expense of life, right at the expense of the nation out of the nation and good of the general population You know our people so to speak. It's uh, you know, it's a sort of suicidal altruism Yeah, I don't know about you, but uh, I haven't met many christians who view christianity as like some kind of suicide pact All right So anything can be turned into like suicidal altruism And it will be by mentally defective people. It's not true christians in general I think above all else you have to sort of look out for your own before you start worrying about Matters of no charity and alms and that sort of thing and yeah, you know exactly you said it doesn't have all the answers and Particularly when it comes to matters of like race and and the composition of a nation Oh, yeah christians have never thought about race Christians have never offered any ideas about race or the composition of the nation All right, that's just being completely alien to uh, to christians. Luckily they've got They spoke so so to come along and uh, you know kind of set them straight You know fill in their blind spots if you look at it purely from a christian perspective You're not going to get as possible solutions also, I think to add some I guess to play devil's advocate Is that when you look at matters of culture on the other hand There's a lot of things that I think christianity or or more traditionalist perspective Has a lot of very good answers for certainly if you look at the state of the culture in the state of society society today And you know a much more explicit. Okay. He's talking as a christianity culture politics or completely separate realms right These are realms that uh, Interpenetrate right there's not always such a clear distinction between them Christian society would be vastly preferable. You know, it shouldn't have to be a debate where you know, what is a woman and you know, is Are these things like okay in this total total inversion of morality where like the weakest and the sickest and the most deprived are somehow the most moral and the people that have the most Clouds so to speak in terms of making arguments right like everyone has to defer to the most oppressed and the most You know sort of okay. He's talking about what culture here where there are these sacred groups That are expected to be absolutely free from any criticism. You don't hold them to the same standard as you hold everyone else You just uh, they change the rules of the game to accommodate them That they get preferences in every possible way right because they're now regarded as sacred Right, this is not you know a type of thinking that is essential and eternal and changeless and going on for millennia in christianity, right? This is a new socialist marxist, you know political development that has infected large parts of the intellectual academic world which then Has transmitted that infection through to parts of the christian world great minority group And I think that's you know, obviously you've heard a lot of people I think today especially Get into politics because they look at how things are and that we can the way the Society is turning towards and they think that's instinctively they know it's wrong. I think christianity has It could go towards that in terms of how society should be structured at least Okay, so I really want to play this