 The 40 OT podcast. And what I mean, what you need to inform me on is, because some advocates don't like me, is what are those advocates wanting out of life? Now, obviously not to be discriminated at work and things like that. Obviously. But I think they're kind of what they want is different than for me. I think it's, I would agree with you, and that's why I asked a question earlier about how autism advocacy has changed. And it seems to me that it's a lot about specifics of language use that is the gateway to people either liking or disliking you in the autistic community. Like, for example, my name on YouTube and my name on Instagram is currently Asperger's Grove. Now, I can agree with that because just in my own case, I keep learning more and more. How many people say to me, the older I get, the less autistic I act, and that my talks have gotten better as I got older. So that would be Asperger's Grove. Yeah. And you know, it makes sense, doesn't it? And the message is clear. But a large chunk of the amount of comments or messages or emails that I get, it's about my name. It's about my choice of name rather than what I do, you know, and it's really, it's really depressing sometimes. Really language based. You see, because I'm, see, I'm an object visualizer. You see, because there's three kinds of, you know, people on the spectrum is object visualizers. Yeah. There's the pattern, math and music. And then there are the ones that the history lovers, where they are word based. So which I'm definitely not. And so they're really into the exact language. And I'm trying to figure out, okay, what language to avoid using, what language should I use, what are the rules tell me I'll do it? Well, I can send you my videos on autism language explained, if you'd like to explain it in very, maybe explain me, give me the elevator speech. Yeah. Yeah, give me the elevator speech right now. Okay. People don't like Asperger's. They're moving away from the term ASP. God, that I knew that because of the bad background of the doctor that I knew about. Sure. We're also moving away from, we're moving more towards neurodiversity related language. So neurodivergent is the name that people have given to people who are neurodiverse. Well, I understand that because you get autism in the, well, fully verbal forms, it would just be a personality variant. I can go along with that, use those terms. Now, one thing I got bashed about was using high and low functioning. Now, I can't change old stuff as in older books. But now, in everything new, I'm calling it, okay, once they get past age six or something like that, fully verbal, partially verbal, nonverbal. Yeah. Those are the words I'm using now. But I can't do anything about the older publications. You can't go back and change a book. No, exactly. But I, now sometimes I still got some stuff where I have to use those terms. Because if I don't use them, then people don't understand what I'm talking about. Exactly. So I'll say, we'll talk about Asperger's, I'll just say they don't use that term anymore, but that's socially awkward, no speech delay. Yeah. In a nutshell for explaining what autism is to other people, it's, you know, even explaining to other people, but also in medical settings, in social care settings, in teaching, you know, some, it's important to have, to have some kind of language that distinguishes people, not because we want to hate on a certain group, or we want to be more superior or, you know, that that's kind of stuff that people say. But to actually explain what explain what groups of people were talking about. And I don't use high functioning and low functioning. Well, I have stopped using it. I'm calling it fully verbal, partially verbal, nonverbal. And when I'm talking about auditory language coming out of the person's mouth, that's fine. Those are the terms I'm using now. And then also in my talks, making it very clear about some of the nonverbals that can't control their movements and look really severe, the books written by people who type independently. And when I do a full autism talk, that's in all my slideshows. I make sure people know about those books. And the crazy thing is about this whole thing is that people would be a lot more likely to accept what you say if you say in those terms, if you use that language, but you're basically saying the same thing. Well, that's right. It is the same thing. I mean, and there's a lot of other controversial stuff, you know, where you're changing some of the language. And I can think words I said, I'm not going to repeat because the two controversial that I said as a young child that everybody did, I didn't even think that it was wrong. I just didn't know. But the thing that I want to see, I'm finding the people on the spectrum that are happiest have got jobs they really like. So one of my big things is helping adults make the transition to work. And one of the big problems I'm seeing is this kid's overprotected. He's never gone to the store and bought something by himself. And he's fully verbal. Like you got to be kidding. So I have to talk about shopping. Yeah. But it's I also think about and I've done a lot of stuff about identity is when you look at a lot of last names of people, they are jobs, Smith, Baker, Minor, Mason. These are jobs. So what that tells me is that a lot of people's idea of their identity was tied up in their work because their last names are names of jobs. That's really interesting. And and he really all I can say about the English language. Well, I haven't done it in any other language of English. And so what I'm thinking is, for me, my sense of identity is not the autism is important as to who I am, but it's secondary to a scientist, designer, inventor. Sure. And you have your own, you have the own right to choose that. Whether you want to say, for example, what kind of language you want to use, whether you want to use person first or identity first language, I think it should be something that the individual chooses. Well, I would agree with that. You see one in my very earliest publications, okay, and here this book came out 10 years ago, I call it the autistic brain. And I didn't think about what kind of language it was. Then I had educators or educators who were pushing person first, you should say person with autism. So I started doing that. So that I put autistic in there. Then I get questions from educators. Why aren't you using person first? And then I just explain that a lot of activists don't like person first. Yeah, I just explain it. So sometimes I use a mixture because in writing, it's not good to just keep saying something the same way all the time.