 I spent hours of time as a young girl, sitting alongside a tree-lined creek. I went there for solitude, and that piece that came to me from simply sitting and observing the natural world is still part of who I am. Our response to COVID has made it pretty clear that vaccines aren't going to be the answer, that while they are very important, while containment is very important, having a better idea of what's causing the spillover in the first place can play an important role in preventing pandemics. Four o'clock this morning we were here to catch bats as they returned to the roost after feeding at night. So we collect information about the bats themselves, their species, their sex, and collect some samples from them like urine and feces to understand their health and what they're eating. Combining all that information, we are aiming to be able to understand why and when and where a virus is spilling over from flying foxes into horses, for example, for hendra virus. Peggy's work, because much of it was unfunded, it was done from her own curiosity, that curiosity sparked the, I guess, the determination to see from year on year what was happening, how consistent was it, and when it was different, why that might be. I have learned so much from Peggy. Every conversation is fascinating. We don't know how many viruses out there that have the potential to spill over or cause pandemics. Like the hendra system in Australia, we haven't had a human case for a long time, but we can still learn about the processes that it goes towards spilling over that we can apply to other systems. I don't know that I'm that unique. I just have a particular, I don't know, obsession. Great, it's wonderful to see them so healthy. It's fantastic. Walking into the natural world, spending time in the bush, in a forest, it transports me. My breathing changes. It really is almost like a meditation for me. And it changes my perspective, so I feel less significant. I think that's important for all of us to feel less significant in a world.