 Alright, good evening everybody. I'm gonna call our Thursday, March 9th, 2023 Airport Advisory Board meeting to order In the absence of recording secretary, I'm calling the roll for tonight Malcolm Dean Tala Salamateen Steve shook Harrison Earl here council member Martin Levi Brown, airport manager Bill Greenwall, transportation planning manager Mr. Chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you First item on our agenda is election of new vice chairperson So you'll notice our quorum here is all we've got We've had Russell leave the board, so he was elected vice chair last meeting in January So we're opening up elections for a new vice chairman for other officer position Are there any nominations from any board members for a vice chairperson? Okay, Mr. Dean, self-nominate, I will second But anyone else? Okay, any further discussion? Motion on the floor All those in favor of Mr. Dean, elected vice chairman, say aye please Aye Any opposed? Motion carries, congratulations Vice Chair Dean Next item on our agenda is a public invited to be heard Anyone is welcome I will note we have two action items on the agenda As we have done in past meetings, I'll have a public invited to be heard for each of those action items So if you'd like to speak about either of those particularly, you are welcome to wait until later You're also welcome to come forward now if you choose to So with that, I'll open up the public invited to be heard Whoever would like to, come on down Just a reminder of the rules for everyone, you have five minutes I'm keeping time Please start with your name and address, address your comments to the board and please be respectful Hi, this is Al Manley, 940 Rangilane 80501 Just one thing here I'm going through a lease renewal on the south side, this would be the first As far as I'm aware of the first leases That are up for renewal on the south side And I just have a brief statement here, comment, question, etc The Two Victor Two Hanger, Hanger Owners Association leases on the south side Have reached the initial lease term of 20 years We, the Two Victor Two HOA, wanted to renew the existing lease for another 20 years But that wasn't offered as an option as stated in the lease In place of the renewal, we received a draft copy of the New Hanger lease template Comparing the two lease documents The existing lease that was approved at the December 2022 City Council meeting And the draft template that was received We noticed a modification that didn't match between the two documents The question is, should the unapproved modified version of the draft lease be used In place of the master lease that was approved by the City Council in December of 2022? And if the answer is yes Just a follow on question, comment, it seems to me If the master lease can be modified without city council approval You know, the formal process of the city to approve these documents Doesn't that diminish the integrity of the master lease itself? Thank you Thank you Would anyone else like to come forward and speak? The first public invited to be heard Hello, my name is Colin Dilman, 5521 West 103rd Avenue, Westminster 80020 This is my first approach to the board But I have interest in becoming the new FBO on the airport I am speaking with Chuck and Julie Myers of Aviation Just looking for some advice on negotiations on the terms Any future or current considerations of the land leases Or anything associated with the hangar, the FBO And whatnot, just seeking advice Because I have not been here for any other board meetings And would just like to catch up, I guess So thank you for your time Thank you very much Any other public invited to be heard? Dave Copp, 4625 West 99th Place, Westminster, Colorado And see, I wanted to start, you know, Al brought up in this lease deal This is one of the biggest customers on the airport Maybe the biggest, you know, we're talking 60,000 plus square foot of hangars And first 20 years on this one One of the newest hangars to come up for renewal And I was disappointed that the master lease isn't what they sent out In fact, they didn't send anything out We had to go back and ask them for something They wanted to do a Microsoft Teams meeting I think the pandemic's over I think the biggest customer in the airport deserves a face-to-face meeting With its officers of the 2v2 condo association And to talk through, let's see the lease you got Let's go through it We asked for some advance copy of it, sent us a blank lease No numbers, nothing So pretty cavalier And then we noticed some changes on it And says, hey, what are these? I mean, you had something approved by the advisory board and the city council And the bottom line is there's changes What are the changes? Don't you have them highlighted or anything? No, you'll have to go through a comparison side by side And figure out what the changes are Well, what kind of customer service is this For the biggest customer in the airport? Doesn't make any sense We don't know what other changes are in there We haven't gone through them side by side The one thing we did notice is that there's a million-dollar liability For all personal vehicles on the airport I've flown into a lot of airports I've had hangers on two airports in Colorado Here in Jefferson County, now called Metro And they don't have a million-dollar liability on personal vehicles You get a badge, you just follow Colorado law Right? $100,000 liability is comfortable for the whole rest of the airport Airports in Colorado and everywhere I've ever landed Never questioned In fact, most of the places I land, they give me a courtesy car They don't care if I've got a driver's license or insurance Of course, they're not the nicest cars, but they're a car They'll get you from A to B Along with that, if you look at this new lease 21.10 says that this The lease shall be governed and construed by the laws of Colorado Well, the laws of Colorado say $100,000 liability is fine for the rest of the world What the hell's wrong with us? You can't possibly manage this The visitors that come in, you've got to card them And see what they've got a million-dollar liability What about the skydivers? It's outside over there You don't monitor anything in or out of there Ridiculous You gave a lot of accolades to the new airport manager He's coming up on his one-year anniversary I wanted to give you my perception as a customer That you've got great accolades on a 3,000, 4,000-feet of sewer line over there I didn't see one manhole in 4,000-foot of sewer You can't even jet 4,000-feet of sewer So those should have been added When the last modernization of the water and sewer was done At Longmont, they included both water and sewer No water was added back over there So now the expectation is you're going to attract a developer And ask them to come up with a million and a half dollars For up front, for storm sewer drainage Raise the elevation You're not going to attract anybody And you've got no water over there And the existing customers that are down there Got roughed in and everything You didn't need to do any half taps on these things Now you've got to do a 180-degree loop To get back to the new plan where the sewer line is So the bottom line, I don't think I would grade them very high In this performance, even though the sewer is in Now we've got new grassy, no manholes No half taps, no idea You're going to have to radio code out Where the hell the sewer line is Dig back down to it to get tied to it In the annual performance review we got last Last session was pretty weak I mean, it was the worst I've seen in the 20 years I've been here There was no income and expense report We have no idea how much money came in And where it went out I see $50,000 bobcats sitting out there That somehow we're paying for Not in use The no awareness of what the real plans are coming up What kind of grants we got approved So overall for Levi's first year I'd give him a D minus Thanks Thank you Anyone else like to speak at this time? Okay, seeing nobody Next item on our agenda is approval of our January 2023 minutes Do any board members have any comments, revisions Anything they'd like to see changed? I have, I think one Page one, line 22 This is the election of officers It says that board member Robus and dissented On his own nomination for vice chairman I believe it should be abstain, not dissent If there's nothing else, I would entertain a motion To approve the minutes with that amendment But Mr. Shook Oh, sorry A motion to approve the minutes as written With you Thank you Moved and seconded, thank you Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye Aye Any opposed? Thank you Item six, updates from the airport manager Levi Alright, I've got a few updates for you guys This week, I'll go through them And if there's any questions, I'll just go through them A, B, C, D If you have any questions, I'll leave a little spot At the end of each one there for you guys Southwest sewer project That's pretty much all wrapped up Just processing paperwork this week To close out on that project They did also get the grass seed planted And then they got hay down and put on it Everything's buttoned up It's all past inspection Thanks for looking really good A little bit of a project left Just need to double check, make sure we're Repairing some of the perimeter road And the turnaround area for the skydiving Outfit beyond that Everything is 100% done Any questions on the Southwest sewer project? Mr. Schuck So we heard from Dave Kopp About manholes and things like that Can you comment on that? I can comment from the manholes I've inspected myself There's at least two along the round I think there's actually a third There's one at the terminus also So there's manholes In fact, that was one of the things On our cleanup list Was we needed to re-grade Around the manholes To make sure that they were to spec We had a gap of about four inches We wanted them level with the rest of the ground Mr. Dean Yeah, good question You said you put grass seed down Was it drought resistant And what kind of grass seed did you use? It was I can't remember the exact one But we had discussions about that During the meeting as we wanted Of course low maintenance Colorado native grass out there That would grow naturally So that was planted And then proper mitigation To make sure that hopefully it grows The best that it can With the hay and stuff like that That was actually kind of the last thing On the whole list Really the project's been done done But we've been waiting on March To get that grass in To give it the best chance for growing Come this spring here Perfect, thank you Anyone else want to see our project? Go ahead, Levi All right Prairie dog mitigation So as we've discussed At other airport advisory board meetings Can you speak into the mic? Oh, is it? There we go A little closer here Is that better? Yeah All right So we've discussed At other airport advisory board meetings We had FAA inspection last year And there was definitely a concern About the prairie dog holes So we're pressing forward With doing a complete airport mitigation Plan is And we've covered this at different meetings But I do a full Clean with six pack machines On every hole in the airport Come back Now the plan is two days later And do it all again Did all the dugout holes The concept being to get Just the hardest hit we can On it And then the city's wildlife department Can hopefully come in after that And keep on top of it So that's the plan That is moving forward We got all the money moved around In the airport budget We need to do that PO's been created We are going to go with I think in the last minutes A miss mention The company was Which was a DHQ ranch services And they will be doing that service They're going to be starting Hopefully Tuesday So I spoke with him this morning They're supposed to be out here Tuesday They'll be here for about a week With their first push We'll have a couple of day Pause And then they'll do another Whole airport push So that's moving forward quickly Any questions on prey dog? Mr. Dean Hold on Hold on I mean actually You've had a possible price That was going to cost the city For that Yeah I made the PO for $43,000 It's all based on hourly rate So it's hard to say Exactly what it's going to be But that's kind of our best guess They put it up We had the wildlife guys Kind of assess it Based on their hourly rate And what they'd be doing And they said Yeah, that looks pretty close So that's where we're sitting at right now Perfect, thank you Right Is that what else? Okay Next one Engineering consultant update I put this on the agenda With the greatest of hopes That I would be able to update More about this But we are still technically In the cone of silence Because of signatures on paper So I know Talus knows more about it Because he was part of that process But technically via city rules We're still in the cone of silence So we can't talk too much about that I can say that we are incredibly close To the point where I checked this morning To see if I could talk about this And it seems like most things are signed It's maybe just a transit of paperwork And making sure it's in the right people's hands Right now So we can move forward with Yeah, and we can send out Certainly we will send out a communication When that's all official Again, in this month's airport update I had it all prepped up and written up To make the announcement of that Engineering consultant And I had to pull that From the email kind of last minute But any questions on that That I could talk about anyway Is that something that has to go to council For their approval Once you have signatures? No So that's just We've gone through the rather painful process Of the standard procurement Through the city So that's supposed to be all we need to do So really it's just signatures And to my understanding really All that's been signed and done Is just really our procurement department Making the official announcement That we are out of the cone of silence And proceed forward Fair enough Any questions from anyone? Airshow meeting Okay, airshow meeting So we have set up for Saturday At 9 a.m. At the Public Works And National Resources Field Office Which is right next to the airport For you who are familiar with it You might know it If you've ever tried to navigate to the airport By putting it in your map On your cell phone Because it takes you to that office Instead of the airport for some reason But we'll be having a meeting there At 9 o'clock Saturday morning And what we're doing is just trying to get A basic idea of who's interested In helping out on the airshow And trying to start organizing things To a point where we have an organization That we can move forward with And actually get some things accomplished So that'll be 9 o'clock On Saturday morning Tell your friends I sent that out in its own email I also sent that out in the airport update And the address and the times And locations are on that also Have you gotten much response from people Saying they're likely to be there? I've gotten two people RSVP'd I kind of said, hey, please RSVP If you don't have to But show up if you don't Linda told me actually That she's heard a little bit more About interest So she's kind of hopeful that we will Have at least a small crowd At least at the point where I'm Going to go buy donuts just in case So if anyone else wants to show up Just for donut I was going to say donut should be In the email I'm getting Lamar's So, yeah, exactly So that'll be Saturday morning 9 a.m. at the public works Field office Any questions on that? Comments from anybody here on that? Oh, there's another one That's RSVP I'll consider that It's not, sorry I like to put the address In the communications Seeing nobody else there Leave anything else On your update That's what I got Can I ask you I'm not asking about any particular lease Or negotiation that you're in However, there are concerns that were raised About lease modification from the master lease And particularly the insurance requirement Can you talk at all about that And where that stands I can talk a little about that That's something that actually That the risk department came to me about And saying that we needed to alter Apparently it's Changed over the years And another thing was brought up Is that I didn't have a list Of exactly what's changed in the lease Well, the problem is Over the last 20 years There's actually been several Incarnations of leases So anyone Givens person's lease That's changed from 20 years ago to now I mean, there's so many different versions To keep an ongoing list Of every change that's occurred To my knowledge, it never happened To the airport So really the lease that we just processed Came from the last incarnation of the lease Which was not the one that was signed 20 years ago But that came straight from the Risk department And if you go back through the lease You'll see the insurance requirements Change from year to year and stuff like that That was something that was Their recommendation I actually reached back out to them this morning To just get some clarification on that Haven't heard back from them yet So I'm just kind of waiting To see what they say Mr. Schuch I've been involved with Airport properties for 30 years I've never, never Even on commercial airports Monterey to be exact Heard of a one million liability On your personal vehicle It's just It's cost prohibitive Number one, number two Some insurance companies might not Even give you the insurance On a commercial vehicle Sure, I get that But not for individual And then I would ask What does the city do For, let's say The parking lot at the police department It's everybody that drives in there On airport or on, you know The city, do they have to have A million dollars? Why are they Just, you know Stating the airport tenants And that's kind of what I forwarded To the risk department and kind of asking Is like, well, what's it, you know What insurance providers Why are they saying they require this And really at this moment it's just I'm kind of hanging out and waiting Until they kind of get back to me And take it one way or the other And get an explanation for it Because everybody's going to be Parking out beyond the fence And walk into their hangar I'm not getting a million dollar Personal insurance on my vehicle The other question I had on that Just I think I know the answer Every single lease that gets signed Has to go to council Yes And the idea of the master lease Was we have generic language So that the airport advisory board Doesn't have to make a recommendation On every single lease that goes to council That we've done the recommendation one time But it's also a starting point And was said pretty expressly in the meeting That gives you some flexibility to change Recognize there's a difference between Changing a substantive requirement In the lease versus, you know The association with an individual tenant But every single lease still goes to city council So city council still has the opportunity to weigh in Everyone always has the opportunity To comment on it at council Or comment on it here if we need to make a recommendation That's true Correct Okay Thank you Anyone else have anything In the airport manager updates? Okay We have no information items tonight So we have two action items I will have a public Invited to be heard for each of these items But as we've done in the past I'll start out with us Let us talk about it We'll open up for a comment Any further discussion and then take a vote So our first item Is the sustainable aviation Resolution draft Leave I fill You guys are listed as a presenters Would one of you guys like to start that Discussion? Or I'm happy to Otherwise Would you like to start that? Thank you So the sustainability resolution That's kind of been passed back and forth We had an initial draft It went to the city And then it kind of went back to the airport advisory board And there were some revisions made So it's just kind of at a point right now Where I think we're pretty comfortable With having a final draft for that It should have been put out in the packets If I recall correctly So at this point I think it's kind of been through everybody's hands And some people's hands twice And we were just putting it up there If they want to move forward with the vote To approve it So thank you Kind of further that this If you remember we had a discussion I think this was probably October or November Where both You can't remember the department of the city But a city sustainability person And Longmont power communications person Were both presenting to us Talking through the resolution It was a much longer, more detailed resolution Russell did a lot of work to I think make it a little bit more targeted To the airport And to being a resolution As opposed to an ordinance Difference being resolution Please correct me Council Member Martin Resolution is a statement of policy intent It is kind of a direction we're going It is not binding It doesn't hold us to anything But it kind of expresses Where we'd like to go forward Thank you So that's what has Turned into the resolution that's in front Or I guess recommendation of a resolution That's in front of us There are two statements in the Whereas section that are not in this That we've gone back and forth on That I'd like to kind of add by motion As we get into the discussion I'll read those and then we can I'm not even officially Emotion at this point But I'll read them So we have them open it up for discussion Open it up for public comment So those two are Whereas electric aircraft now In commercial use are quieter The general aviation aircraft Driven with internal combustion engine And whereas reducing noise From repetitive short range activities Such as pilot training will improve Community relations with the airport And those get added in Really anywhere in the whereas I'll repeat those So first one I'll pause in between them So I'm not just reading them First one is whereas electric aircraft Now in commercial use Are quieter than general aviation aircraft Driven with internal combustion engines And whereas reducing noise From repetitive short range activities Such as pilot training will improve Community relations with the airport And so one of those The first one had some concerns Originally it was worth it A little bit differently but concerns Around the fact that the aircraft May not actually be quieter There's been a lot of discussion And some articles pointing out That at least some of the Electric aircraft now in commercial use Are in fact quieter And the second statement is kind of I actually think it's pretty cut and dry Reducing noise is probably better For community relations Doesn't actually tie to electrification directly So those are the two I would add That's my perspective I'm opening it up for any discussion anyone has And then we'll get anyone else as well Board members? Mr. Shalamateen Yeah I mean I'm not an expert In electrification of airplanes But my People who are much smarter than me Tell me that it's the propeller that makes Most of the sounds so I'm not sure about the first one And the second one I think that we should Encourage as many people to take up Aviation as possible so We have a future as an airport Because if there's not as many people I am concerned that maybe we are Getting ourselves out of an airport So I think we should Not include either of those And I would Respectfully disagree With both of those I recognize that there is A certain baseline for propeller noise I would say new ones are probably quieter But even so combustion engines Certainly generate their own noise And I absolutely agree I do not want to discourage anybody Who would like more and more of it But I would say quieter Is probably better for the community Period And again no No policy From this, no requirements from this But I would generally say having a quieter Airport is a good thing Mr. Dean Yeah I do think quieter airport would help I know people complain about the noise But a lot of them move next to an airport Is there any studies for actual decibels That you can say loud, quiet It's ambiguous What's loud to me might not be loud to you Do we have any actual Measurements that actually Have been taken To quantify or qualify what would be How quiet Or how loud an aircraft actually is I'm certainly not an expert in this I'm not going to claim to be But I have read several articles Talking about specific aircraft that are in operation They're not FAs certified So they're in operation elsewhere in the world That are in fact quieter But I can't give you a decibel number Council Member Martin Thank you Mr. Chair I would say You can drill down as far as you want In terms of modern propeller design And how much less Noise they make But it's not really Appropriate in a resolution To say any more than quieter Because unlike in an ordinance Where at some time In the future We might Want to restrict The airport to Certain propeller designs Although I don't think we can I think the FAA would have to do that But that's ordinance stuff The fact that We know that Much quieter propeller Technology is out there Is really Enough To put it in a resolution And as far as engine noise Well Electric planes don't have engines They have motors and if you've walked past To a Tesla when it's Pulling out of a parking place You know that they are dead silent So I don't really I research this when Russell was not Able to finish up And I did it with John Grunsfeld Who You know, is that kind of an engineer And would know And so I think we're pretty safe In saying that the propeller noise is quieter Thank you, Council Member Martin How's I Hit that one more time Nope, you're good That's a great point Council Member Martin You're right, it's the propeller That's the main function of that, right So associating that with The type of engine may not make As much sense, but I'm all for Mitigating noise whenever possible I just want to make sure that we're not Preventing people from Using the airport In ways that could Produce economic gain i.e. training others To use the airport To create more use of the airport Right Council Member Martin Yeah, thank you, a resolution actually Can't do that Again, as Harrison Explained, it's a Statement of intent And if you read it through There's nothing in it that says A classical airplane can't use this Airport The FAA has rules that says If it requires too long It can't use this airport And that's about the only restriction That We've got and it's not something that the city Can impose There's not any reason To worry about passing This restricting the use of the Airport And by the way, the first Electric plane Likely, I mean something could get ahead But the first plane Likely to be certified for Use by the FAA in the United States Is a training plane Because they want To train more pilots and it's very Much cheaper to use this kind of plane For training Because the Fuel costs aren't there Mr. Schuch I'm not Proponent of electric aircraft Number one To me Being at a 5,000 foot Elevation airport The amount of battery And the weight of the batteries The thrust I think it would be Dangerous to be honest with you Again I haven't read too many articles And I just think that I don't know I think we're a little early For That type of aircraft here In Longmont Myself, that's I would agree with you we're early But I don't know that that's a bad thing I think that's, I mean, so My personal perspective One, just because it was brought up Strongly would disagree with any resolution Ordinance anything that attempts to restrict Any particular type of aircraft from operating at the airport Period, full stop Two, electrification is coming The technology is not there today Appropriated Longmont today or tomorrow Or, you know, one or two years down the road But The city has made A, I think, push Across the city Towards sustainability It's a priority of the council There is going to be resolutions Like this coming and I'd like it to be Ones that reflect The best reality In aviation today from the experts And we are those experts for the city I also think Setting ourselves apart From other airports and being on that cutting edge Is a good thing for us Even if none of that comes to pass This doesn't restrict anything It doesn't You know, require anything to happen It Helps, say, have a little bit Of You know, proof that the city is thinking about this Is making this serious When, say, we're putting in for a grant for Electric charging stations Or going out and seeking funding From an organization or anything like that It does nothing beyond that Period Further board comments? I'll open a public invited to be heard If anyone would like to speak on this Please come on down Same rules apply as before Please start with a name and address I'll mail my comments I'm back just for the 940 Ranger Lane Longmont 80501 It was just a comparison from the The council approved in December 2022 To the What we were presented a week ago Those two documents So there would have been, if there weren't any changes Would have been real easy to track Anyone else that I would Suggest we stick to the resolution There is still another public invited to be heard At the end for any other business My name is Rick Basilere I live at 420 Nebraska Avenue in Berthard 80513 I'd like to speak to the Lease issue It seems like things are still pretty Fluid that nothing's down in In concrete yet As far as 20 years, 25 years renewals One thing that's just come to Public knowledge Is that Fort Collins Loveland Airport Is offering to the public 50 year leases Inexpensive leases And that's the way their term is So I'd just like to If you would take that In consideration When you're working on the fluidity Of this lease, thank you Thank you Melinda 1110 Twin Peaks Circle Longmont To the Resolution I live In Downwind And I can assure you That I can't hear propeller noise Because the engine noise is so loud Especially when you pull back You know At the mark and you pull back And a lot of backfire So I do I believe That the engine noise On a carbureted engine Internal combustion engine Anything the prop is going to produce And then the resolution Was Not like grandfathering out Any types of aircraft We'll still have jets We'll still have vintage aircraft Powered parachutes And other things that make a lot of noise That don't have a noisy prop I understand the master plan Has the decibel level Listed for what's acceptable And I know we Are at mile high So that's all on the record I want to say it's like 65 But that's just a gas So that was all challenged with mile high And so that's already been vetted For the noise level That's allowed and acceptable And while I'm not one to Want more government And more documents And more regulation I was encouraged By this that we could be at the forefront As Harrison was saying Let's get at the front of it Let's be the first ones It's going to be training aircraft We pretty well can see that That's where it's going to begin Whether that training aircraft Is going to be I remember hearing that it may not be Qualified For a regular private pilot license It may only be light sport Or something like that But whatever it's going to be If they come to our airport to recharge And go into the neighboring businesses That's what we'd like to encourage For sure And our unique situation With the city of Longmont In that the city owns the airport And the city owns the power company Longmont power and communication And that was always the marriage That made this particularly interesting To partner with LPC Potentially have A partnership on the field With charging stations Battery stations Things that LPC can leverage And that we wouldn't be negotiating With public service That deals with Denver and Boulder And all these other places So they're part of the family And it made it a very intriguing Resolution to be at the forefront Leverage our situation And see what electric aviation Is all about And get them out here so we can find out What's noise here I cannot hear There's one plane at the airport That had an extremely long prop That's all you can hear is the prop noise But I haven't heard him in a long time So that plane may not be on the field But I definitely would encourage you To pursue this to be on the forefront And be a leader And not a follower on this subject Thanks Thank you Would anyone else like to speak On this one Third Avenue Westminster 80020 Again I'm a little bit new to the meetings I missed that second part About the flight training If that could be presented once more If that's possible You're not supposed to have a back and forth here Are you asking just for the warehouses that we read Yeah, what was that actually That new revision I'm just going to read that Whereas reducing noise from repetitive Short-range activities such as pilot training Will improve community relations With the airport Okay So I'm a flight instructor by trade And it does sound like It would have an intent To reduce the amount of flight training Which I agree That could have significant economic damages Not just for the aviation community But for Longmont as well And if we want to Grow Vance brand as an airport And a transportation hub I believe that is going to be the hallmark For Vance brand As for electric Batteries I believe we do need to move Forward in technology I believe it's going to benefit Not only our Delicate climate Given that I'm young I don't have offspring yet Technology is only getting better And so the express intent I believe It is good for the State of Colorado as well as The country to know that There is more Support behind this technology Huge investors And companies already working towards this kind of Technology Will probably be more inclined to come To Colorado knowing that Colorado Is being the leader In moving towards this kind of technology So that could bring more Economic advantages as well If we do show that intent That is only my opinion And to express The fact that propellers do make Quite a bit of noise Because Propeller moving at 2100 rpms Will break The speed of sound And therefore a repetition Of post Mach 1 Will create a sonic boom Thousands of times per minute Thank you Thank you Would anyone else like To speak on the resolution Board members Any other comments on this Anyone want to make a motion Councilmember Martin I just want to Clarify one more time A resolution can't Prohibit anything So it would not be Able to restrict It would not for example restrict Pilot trainers to just Electric trainers at all It doesn't It doesn't change Vance brand in any way Except it improves It's likelihood of getting grants For electronic aviation And that's all So just Don't be scared of them That's what I want to say Thank you I would like Comments from the board If anyone on that second Whereas that I propose And I know you can't read it in front of you So I apologize But based on the comments there I'm actually rethinking the wording a little bit We have it written in there as Whereas reducing noise from repetitive Short range activities such as pilot training Will improve community relations with the airport On its own Get where the comments are coming from And I think You were getting this earlier And it wasn't sinking in with me I'm thinking of it in context Of electric aircraft But it's not worded that way So I'm wondering Either if we reword That to tie it more directly to electric Or just say reducing noise Will improve community relations Since Whereas before it would be Using electric aircraft Because I agree I don't want to discourage pilot training I don't want to discourage those activities Ideally they'd be quieter But that's ideal And we know that's not now So appreciate comments on that Mr. Dean, you were in first Yes, I actually like You said that to reword it for With public aircraft And that now just in general So I think that would be good to reward it Mr. Selmachin I completely agree with you I think your second revision is perfect Thank you And thank you for the comments on that Because I was not thinking about it that way But I see how it could be read that way And that was not the intent at all Any further comments? I'll make a motion then That we recommend that council Approves this resolution as is in your packet With The addition of Whereas electric aircraft now in commercial use Are quieter than general aviation Aircraft driven with commercial Internal combustion engines Whereas reducing noise Will improve community relations with the airport Would anyone like to second that? Moved and second And Mr. Dean, did you have comments on that? No, just a second Okay Does anyone have any comments on that? Then all those in favor of the motion Please say aye Any opposed? Thank you, we will recommend that The resolution as amended Is presented and adopted by council Second action item Is our annual report This was also in your packet This I will fully admit I am not as Adept at this as vice chair emeritus Jordan is Or was doing this so this is my best Attempt to kind of blend What you saw in January That was a straight list Of our accomplishments with a little bit more Let's call it marketing about the airport The impact on the community What we What we as a board do and what the airport does And provides to the community We are required Under I don't know Statute, city, chart or whatever The document is that establishes us To provide a report to council It does not determine the format at all But this is what I've come up with As a draft, I would love Comments, feedback from board members This is an action item so I will Do another public invited to be heard on this If anyone from the public would like to comment As well, but board members First Anyone have any comments, suggestions Taipos that I made Mr. Dean Yeah, I can make a comment I don't know if you added it in there There are a number of people on the airport Who are They own local businesses Around the country And to have a private airplane Makes it really important for them To be able to get to their businesses on time And be able to conduct and transact business Around the country We're kind of a local hub for a lot of Local business owners Yes, I don't have anything great on that Right now because I don't have a lot of data I've met a few people Local business owners that have aircraft To have them on the airport and they said That it saves them money They can't do their job They have to fly commercial It would take them as long to get Where they're going That's really important It would be a good note to have Anyone else No comments from board members Public, open public invited to be heard If anyone likes to speak on this Linda, welcome your comments On my lack of Making this as nice as yours I'm Linda Jordan, 11-10 Twin Peak Circle long month I got some information That was forwarded to you and me By what I didn't get Was Medical flights Flown by the phenome And I'd love to include that And we had the benefit of a Magazine article about them In the year prior We were able to share So I just need to get some data from them And I realized I haven't got I haven't followed up on getting that And then would be I think of value to add The economic impact For the areas surrounding the airport Which in my view would be First of all, flight deck grill And then Nelson and airport road Businesses there And then up to an even Businesses on the mall Where people would come in Get a car and run over And get something to eat Or do some shopping I don't know if we can Paint with that Broad of a brush into our plan But just the immediate area That's even within walking distance That I know I go into other areas and Park and go And What was the other thing? The revenues For skydiving are Remarkable And I haven't asked For that information but that would definitely Be worth pursuing to include in there Because the revenues From the skydiving operation Are remarkable And Any other businesses we have on the field Do have commuters We do have net jets coming in there Needing catering services So there's a lot more than Those of us putting around And making engine noise And propeller noise out there So I guess just to Once we get that framework in For these additional items Then it will live in perpetuity And make it easier next year To grab that data and plug it in I will do My part to help get Information forward towards you Thank you Colin Dillman 5521 West 103rd Avenue Westminster I just wanted to express that As stated earlier I do have interest In becoming the new fixed based Operator Many of this is already in my Interest such as Attracting And as a hub So that we can actually benefit the local communities I've already considered Ways to Increase transportation From the airport to the local businesses Many ideas While a car rental is convenient We also do want to think about sustainability And I do have Connections to Get electric bikes That can charge in outlets No Extra infrastructure to charge those Just need an outlet And Let's see what else I do have catering Interests While they may not be directly mine I do Intend to have some sort of Food service Around the Fixed based operation around the FBO However, I'm still very unfamiliar About Vance Brand's policies around Putting any type of food service I understand that there's a food truck But I don't know anything Further than that as In terms of I guess what's allowed But I do want to Help Vance Brand and the local Communities around it and we also do have A go to market strategy to Bring local businesses also To the airport So I just wanted to express That there are Individuals out there looking to Benefit the airport In all aspects Thank you Dave Copp Same address The annual report is still Severely missing data that's Usable. I mean it's a lot of blue sky Wonderful stuff but we still need to Know where the money is coming in And where it's being spent The law statement all it is Is here's what we plan to do I don't know where the money is being wasted But I've certainly seen some Very wasteful things being done And just FYI I've searched commercial airlines that are Electric and there are none in service There's none approved in Canada or the US By the FAA So they're all doing point to point testing But nothing's carrying people for Higher yet Anyone else Members then I'll close the public Invited to be heard on the annual report There are certainly things that are Missing in here Financials notably Some of the revenues Specific business owners or Kind of talk about that The economic impact statement I'm sorry airport economic impact is Something I added based on the Last annual report we got Significant questions primarily From member waters But from a couple council members About the impact and if the airport Was maximizing revenue for the city So this is using a Little out of date CDOT study But really wanted to highlight it Based on their feedback It's not something the airport did So it's a little hard to expand the radius Or look at something different But it should cover what's happening At the airport including skydive visitors Theoretically It was an airport manager ago So it's a little hard to know exactly What went into it at this time But my question for the board Is given the report that's in front Of you with the deficiencies With the missing pieces We can bring it back Next month With some more in it And vote to approve it we have the First half of the year to get this to Council or we can move it forward More or less as it is since It's kind of hard to vote on significant Missing pieces I think So that would be my question For everyone Mr. Dean I say that we get the missing pieces And kind of get everything updated And move it along to the council We have all of our ducks in a row Mr. Salamateen I want to commend you on your work On this first of all I know it's not easy to put on A document like this together But I do agree that there should be More financial information included Within this however It really depends on what the purpose Of this document is If this is like an executive summary Type document with those other Resources available elsewhere Then it doesn't necessarily need to be Included in here as long as That information can be linked to And be accessible elsewhere So I'm fine with moving this forward As long as the information requested For the financials are available Elsewhere So I think to that point The requirement that we have Is to report on our work activities As a board And that's really the Second true page That has Airport advisory board 2022 Work activities as the header That's our legal requirement to provide We've historically provided quite a bit more Because we view it as an opportunity I like that and that's why we have At least an incomplete More Comprehensive report But our legal requirement is Not even this Tell council what we've done for the year So I would argue this meets the Requirement I'd certainly argue though it could be Better and absolutely can be more Comprehensive and tell a better story Council member Martin my question I guess for you is a little bit on timing I'd certainly like you to have this Before you start talking about budget For the next year And I don't know if We're voting on this next month That means you see it probably in May If that's appropriate timing or Doing it faster is more relevant Yeah actually The Budget cycle Is not important to council for me It's important to staff For me Because Apparently there's this scary app That I don't get to see because I'm a council member But The staff Has to put in budgetary requests In the Spring I think May is the Deadline probably right For putting in budget requests And so This report would be sort of Grist for that mill Justifying budget requests And then The Financial staff will turn the crank All summer and come out with a budget That the council begins to see In August So that's the way the cycle Goes if that's helpful And Yeah you know As interested in Promoting the board you want to try To get data In front of These gentlemen sitting over here As early as possible So that they can be Diabolical in their uses of it And try to get As much as they can for the airport But In terms of it's being official Not so much you know So the work could Continue for the next month or so Because it doesn't have to Match up on a going to cycle Or going to council cycle Sorry about that But you do Want them to have Their hands on whatever Case you can make For the airport Fair that's very helpful Then I think I would turn the question To Levi and Phil Of I think You guys have heard loudly from the community From the board some of the desires For Things to do going forward grants CIP etc Is this sort of a document helpful For you advocating internally With Joni, Harold Finance or anybody Or does it matter If this is a couple months behind And council sees it when they're actually Approving budgets Does it make a difference for your internal advocacy And I can talk a little bit about that Phil you have better information To put in It certainly can't hurt Anytime we put information together To justify a case for ourselves And we can take that to council The more information the better As we get close To doing that budgetary stuff I could certainly see myself Having a good feeling Over a document like that Having said that I don't think it's anything to Sweat too much about I'm also capable of making a pretty good case For the stuff that we get at the airport Again love to see the information It's great But yeah do you have anything to add Well I think just in Our minds as you pointed out Page two is really what we need to do To be official And the other pieces of this Are very helpful when we are writing grants To put that information Into those grant requests So as we're going forward As we're working with the FAA And C-dot and other folks We can refer back to this And have a good baseline of The other important pieces and aspects Of this airport that we can put out there And try to go for additional funds for But again we've met the We've met the requirement that we need To keep the board You know keep the board function Of that report But the other pieces are going to be very helpful I'd like to commend you On what we've done so far I think that If we have a month or so And there's more information That can go in it I would say we Spone and Maybe put a little bit more in there If it's possible Anyone else Agree I don't know that we Necessarily need a motion then If we're not taking action Mr. Salmatian Yes, you got to use the mic Sorry I'm sorry I wasn't sure whether This information that we're looking to Include in the next iteration Is available elsewhere Or whether the only visibility of that Information would be in this New revised document that we will Then we'll be working on I think it's specifically the financials So We've historically Had financials In these board meetings At least occasionally I'm going to request it In the comments at the end here As we go forward But Right now I don't think they're Super accessible in any kind of Location They'll be in a budget that goes to council But am I missing Somewhere else that they are That's easily accessible We're just trying to keep The boards and commissions at the same Level of Intricacy I guess in detail as Each other so This board was asking for the financials And that's beyond what any other Board gets to see So we were Trying to remain consistent I think with all the boards and commissions And keep that Something that's done more at the staff level To take care of those issues This board is not At that level of Being able to make recommendations On how To spend dollars except when we get to the budget piece When we ask you specific items That need to go into the budget But when it gets to the very specifics about how Dollars are spent day to day That's really revised per view So We've been asked specifically by our city management To keep going with those Financials so That's part of what's on our What's kind of driving Why we don't keep putting those in I'm not sure how that started I guess it was a request maybe from Tim Barth back in the day And We'll see what we can do but There's certainly public records So we have publicly available records That can be provided to this board So I'm not worried about that To get into the idea of How you spent $43,000 On prairie dog removal we think it should be $40,000 That's not something we can really deal with At the staff level. We have to do what we need To do per FAA requirements So we have to move beyond the Detail pieces of that but we can provide The overview of the financials I understand that I would respectfully disagree That this is an enterprise fund And We recommend rates to council One of our objectives Is to increase revenue at the airport So I Do not want to be in the weeds I do not want to be saying $40,000, $43,000 Or anything like that but I think Having a pulse on it would be valuable And I really don't want to do that through Court requests We don't want you to have to do that either But what we'll do is we'll look at How they compare I think you have a fair and valid statement there So we'll look to see how Those enterprise funds report out as well And Historically it was monthly I don't necessarily know that we have To have a monthly pulse on it I don't know that there was a whole lot of Value in things that changed month to month But I do think keeping a better Pulse would be valuable Particularly since we recommend rates Which I think is probably a little different Than some of the other advisory boards Anyone else on annual report So if anyone has anything you'd like To have included or added Beyond the comments that were made Or some of the things that people said They might be able to track down I would ask to please get those In as soon as possible so we're not Making a last minute rush Given that I'm going to work on this Last minute so anything that's not in my Hands before I start doing that is probably Not going to make it in Hi I just have A tip on this Communication I'm the liaison to the water board Which is also an enterprise Fund and does also recommend Rates and So You and Ken Houston might get together And see what they do Because I don't know but There is a parallel there Thank you So we're out of action items I would move on to our final Public invited to be heard If anyone would like To bring up anything they haven't already Possibly on the air show or really Any topic whatsoever Just in case Melinda Melinda Jordan live in Tenton Peak Circle long month On the annual report I do think we at least the board Has to see numbers We are an enterprise fund we're supposed To be self-sustaining if we're blind What we're spending and bringing in We can't do that And the other thing That jumps out at me is that We had a $25,000 budget item For several years For the air show and we stopped Seeing the budget report And didn't realize that that item Had left the room And was no longer on there And so we are not having an air show In 2023 And it would take too long To get any kind of budget approval We've been talking about an air show For five years And 2023 We had a date We've been talking about it up here And it never made it And we've always been very transparent That the city in the past Had we had been able to Allocate $25,000 from our budget To go to the event And we were unaware that That had fallen off of the budget So there is no money for an air show No money for deposits There is no air show in 2023 Just to clarify So the open house will be for a Perspective 2024 air show And With time to then get it in front of council To request that that money be Set aside from the budget But again if we don't know what the budget looks like We don't even know if there's $25,000 in there So I think We're chasing our tail right now In Specifically with the air show But also just as the board You're trying to Advise Which would include economic impact And Business development And how to support that And It's all about money So we really need to be able to see I think it kind of It ends up being monthly But again you're flying blind Without that kind of information As we were with the air show So we've lost something That we've worked on for quite a while Due to not knowing That the money wasn't set aside any longer So I do recommend that At least the board If it's privy and not made public That's okay It's just the people who need to Be steering those decisions And be aware of what is Are we making money Are we paying our own bills We take a lot of criticism About our reduced Administrative transfer fee And because I know We don't have that much impact on the city As some of the other enterprises might Or at least that fee feels fair Where it's set now Given my understanding Of the impact And I worked with David quite a bit Trying to see even as a volunteer Some of those expenses So that we could get that fee lower So again that fee is going to change Probably it has been And is that being Are we being fairly represented And fairly billed for that fee And can we afford it Are we bringing in enough Fuel flowage And tower fees And lease renewals To even support our airport I don't know how we can have a discussion About a business without knowing If it's making money or not I encourage you to get the financials And then just to have it on the record That the year show has been called off For September 23rd, 2023 There's no future date set So the meeting on Saturday Will be the beginning Toward that process Potentially Thank you Dave Copp again, same address I know it sounds like the Cost is a minor amount But just in the last Two weeks, it's gone from 30,000 to 43,000 You know, per the discussion I've just heard And I know that Levi's been talking To people at Coffee Break Or at Elite that You know, they stopped dropping Prairie Dogs off at the airport years ago Well, I don't believe that's true And sooner or later I'm going to have evidence Somebody else is still dropping them here And the bottom line is 43,000 is not Minor, you know, last time I saw An income statement from here That was probably 10% of our income And it certainly probably matches The income we get off the Cellular Tower So it's not a huge Income that we have And throwing it away when somebody else Is planning these things And we've got cameras They've got cameras out there To get out who's doing this They don't just happen Once you get rid of them, they Somebody's bringing them back Anyone else like to speak at our final public Invited to be heard? Seeing no one, I'll close public Invited to be heard and we were on to Board Council and staff comments Board members first, Mr. Dean Yeah, for Levi, I wasn't aware that They had pulled 25,000 That was really interesting Do we have any information to Again, and who or how That happened, if we traditionally Had money set aside for an air show So the last Time that the board voted to actually have An air show was actually conducted After budgeting was set for that year And I'd like to use your question As an opportunity to answer It was brought up that we just didn't have the money To do it, that's not necessarily true I actually went to City Council and we Were going into the progress of getting a procurement To actually get all that money Getting the money actually isn't a huge deal It was told to me we could get that Certainly by September 23rd So that's not that big of a hang up I think the biggest hang up was We're this far along in the year And essentially no real planning Has been done So, I mean This meeting we're having Saturday I was going to kind of throw it out there Everybody comes, you know, what kind of Interest can we get, what kind of People can we get moving on this So, I think we're going to have a A lot of people that are interested In option, my gut tells me that Because of where we're at, probably not Last time I did an air show it was two years Of planning, by this point We were having lots of meetings And we were sorting out volunteers And parking and stuff like that So I don't think it's Super practical But I want to have that discussion With everyone else who's interested In being a part of an air show We have on here ideas for future Agenda items or 2023 work plan Any thoughts on either of those I know we talked through 2023 work plan A little bit in January So fine if that doesn't change any future Agenda items beyond having Financial updates that we've covered No Mr. Salamateen Go ahead Seeing that we have A ambitious young person Interested in taking over the FBO I know there's a lot of talk from Owners that they're being Very satisfied with The operations of the current FBO I think we should talk about What we can do to Improve the airport by Potentially Improving the FBO situation Are you suggesting that's an agenda item For the future? The process would be for that I'm in favor of having that on a future agenda I'd probably put that as An information item And we can have a discussion Anyone else? Any other comments from you this evening? Yes I would just like to thank you For passing the sustainability Resolution It will Make some people tomorrow At the city council retreat I'm happy I know it was kind of painful getting Everybody aligned That this is a forward looking thing That's not going to change anything So I appreciate you Doing the painful work Of getting there And You know It's going to do some good And I think That A lot of things A lot of good things will come out of it The FAA by the way Is looking at a special approval For the pipestrel trainer So It's not as far away as It sounds Thank you council member martin Mr. shuck you had something Yeah With only four board members Is there any way to Do the application process Early to maybe Get three more Board members That is a great question I look to the city staff I know there's a mid-year recruitment Any details on that or any way we can do it We actually already kind of asked about that Is there any way we can have like a special You know a little They told us no not really via our rules So unfortunately we're kind of stuck Do you know when the next recruitment cycle is That I don't have off the top Alright council member martin Sorry I do The Applications will begin being accepted On Monday So it's opening up real soon now You have six weeks And Yeah so it's not really That long to wait You know you have to I'm sorry you have to get along with only four members For this amount of time I am Doing an outreach To try to get A more diverse population Of board members And I was originally Thinking that maybe it does not apply To the airport so much But maybe it does because Is that upholstery business Still out at the airport Or were they a casualty of the pandemic To my understanding I was looking into them A little bit too I can't find any information on recently I think they're no longer there Oh well But anyway yeah There's going to be some Little Reminders that you can apply On Longmont public media On channel 8 880 And on the city website And All kinds of things that We can look and make people More comfortable I'll send Harrison Some links when they're up And He can send it out to the board Yeah and also when I have I'll post it in the FBO and get stuff posted Stuff like that too so hopefully we get More interest perhaps Right we can get you some even if People are not seriously Comfortable with being online They're going to accept Paper applications this year So we can maybe bring you A little stack of them Yeah Thank you Councillor Martin Thank you Mr. Shook for bringing that up When we had our last Selection process which was at the end Of last year There were three Positions open to Members who terms were ended I guess three members whose terms were ended Melinda was one of them, I was one of them We had two applicants For the three places So we And now we're down to four of us instead of the five We started with so Would really encourage anyone who is a Longmont resident Who meets the requirements to please Please please apply And be a part of this It is rewarding Frustrating at times but it's kind of fun And very rewarding to influence How everything's going at the airport Staff comments Levi, Phil anything we missed I think I covered the ones I covered With the air show and stuff like that Do you have anything in addition Okay No other comments from board members We will adjourn Thank you everyone for being here Being part of it