 So when did you first know that there was these that these protests were happening and something was really changing? Well, I Because I have a brother young brother in Iran who was born when I was 15 14 as I raised them up. He feels like my own my own son. He he's in Iran. So he Like because of him like I followed the regime that they followed what's happening in Iran I'm never going back to Iran obviously, but because I thought I'm just following it I kind of what was happening there and it's see it really started the current Revolution that's that's going on and I would give you why I think there's a moral revolution later that There was one girl back in 2020. I think it was 2019 2020 Who alone and this wasn't the protest. This was it's a normal day in Tehran like a square Somewhere and she if you search girl of Engelop Engelop Street, E N G H E N G H L E L A B street You will see there's one girl who got on the top of that like a electricity generator on a short way to street city Power and another kind of like a five-foot five-foot Heights and and took her scarf and put it on its sake And I would and she just stands she stood there and someone took a picture of her and she became an icon to the extent of other girls a Other goes doing the same to the extent that they all of those like power generator things that that's already had in a city Probably they control the power grids They like put wires on it. That's something that you can't go on top of it anymore and then they That's that's it's really the current moral revolution. I don't think would have been put what I've been come so soon Without that one girl who chose to go like alone with no agenda She was just put up as she put her Did anything happen to her? Do we know if anything happened to her? They were searching for her for years and later they got her. She's in prison, right? She's in prison. Oh god So So you think so that's when it kind of started or that's when it came in kind of consciousness people started to pay attention Yes Tell us a little bit of how so you were following it and and when did you notice that this time it was different? uh When I saw that Well, so it was pretty sudden it was like that happened and there were probably people people's consciousness But it was very sudden after the death of a killing of Masa Amini in Iran You you explain the situation the story I'll just say quickly that like she was just mind-gorn business and the morality police so I have I have I have I Have I have recollections of morality police how it looks like but I believe it's like you're not you're not wearing your hijab properly You're like you're like you're showing your wrists like you shouldn't that should show I shouldn't show your wrist They should be covered. You know then like get in the van No, and they if you don't get in the van that they will bring leashes to you and like pull you to the van and take you to the to To the police station to like teach you to reeducate you there has been cases of someone family of my friend who she was like a 35 year old woman and because of her was showing they put her in the van and Said read all of these pamphlets gave the pamphlets to her So I'm not gonna read this pamphlet the platform so we're about like how hijab is important And you should cover yourselves and how to properly cover yourself. It's like I'm not reading and they said We're gonna take a test and if you don't pass that test, we're not letting you out of this van Yeah, we don't care like we're gonna keep you girl like so Yeah, so there's something similar probably happened to my side me knee as well and They're and ambiguity because a dictatorship and the free fall of information is and there's no journalism We don't know exactly what happened, but she happened to die Some people are saying that's where someone saw him saw Beating her head on the on the pavements as someone says no, it's okay We don't know exactly what I was she died and if she died the police custody because because of that and There was at that point People in Iran looked at themselves like especially men Looked at themselves like we have been our lives agents of morality police ourselves Like one morality police cannot force like 80 million people to like follow these roads We have been enforcing these on cell onto our sisters onto our wives and to our mothers ourselves and There was a real real moral reckoning real at that And this is we're not talking about their free society when free exchange of ideas on forums and debates can have no It's like in absolute death silence the leadership that was within each individual person and moral reckoning they had Are we on the side of morality police or are we on inside of them and Like when we see like this Has been exceeding this videos that of women burning their hijab and their men clapping for them It has been things like for example, I guess you say this my friend sister She like there's telling us that when whenever she was she went to work at night So when she was coming back at night, and there were always men even though she was like dressed properly Men there were always like oh you pretty lady, you know, they want to get on the car We can give you a ride back home like they were like they're harassing like normal people and That used to be a commonplace, but after my size I mean he's dead They don't see that anymore Like they're not harassing when we normally mention stop harassing women They stopped there because there was a real moral reckon it's like on whose side are we? like and Has been like I also need to say this other story One of my friends she had a sister in Iran and her name is Ava and And I'm giving I'm covering the real name. So so there are any will be safe She was she There were Because theater in Iran basically almost completely banned and So there was a private theater somewhere and there's like hidden and they if the if the police gets to them they were jailed them but there was a play going on somewhere hidden and When like they entered the hidden hidden basement of somewhere so she was selling her like she couldn't believe this Was Iran like like men or act the women were totally comfortable men were not harassing them at all and they're like they were hit by the Girlfriends boyfriends were like kissing and holding their each other's hands and like this is Totally self-started again. This is we don't have any wrong anyone who like tells us no you should be this way You should be that way like she money like every person really did a moral reckoning onto himself I know and the same person the same girl She was in a so in coffee shops You also need to even if you're in private property in stores You need to keep your job if you don't there's like my other place going on and they like close the business Because of that. So that's why the business owners are forced to enforce hijab laws even if they don't agree with it as well and Ava she went to the coffee her coffee place and she took away her job and just put it there as she was studying and Usually what happens is a store owner says like please put it on we're gonna close my business and this time They said thank you. You don't have to pay for your coffee your coffee is on us well and We are on your side like how beautiful and amazing it is it like More moral revolutions are completely real and they can happen at very sudden Suddenly and it could happen even under the leadership Yeah, no, I think we're seeing that in Iran. I think absolutely right. It is a moral revolution and and we're seeing it so From what you're hearing from you on the demonstrations continuing is and what and what do they want? What I mean, is this just about a hijab or is this About the morality of Relationships or is this something broader once the Islamic government gone? Yeah they want a secular government and That's not some of some of them are saying that or some of them are saying no We just want morality police. No, it's a unit. You know, everyone is unified on this one issue That we they want the regime car And it's normal regime. They want a normal regime which they they have a sense of What that means or do they have a positive vision or is it mostly just this they don't want? They want something like Europe. Europe is a big ideal for Iran So they want they want to be able to vote they want to be able to And they want to be able to was it they want to be able to live what we consider a normal life That is a life where you can make choices for yourself. You can interact with wherever you want to interact You don't have to ask permission to hug somebody So that so that's that's across the board. That's what people out in the streets want Yes, yes, and that's unequivocal and to what extent do religious people let's say your parents support that There has been also a moral revolution within my parents and they're not really the same one My mother who had the hardest time getting one strand of her show not because of morality, but because she couldn't Get herself to do it. Yeah, she's she's now Again at the age of 40 something it's hard to change at that age, but the force of this remote reckoning is so Sweeping even her she changed her beliefs and they're not calling you and telling me you were right all along these years. We were wrong That's for all their people especially parents to say that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So And how how extensive do you think this is with any Iranian society that is Is this just in the cities in the in the big cities among more educated people or is this is this more widespread? The protests are going on everywhere erupting everywhere and even even Probably at the same rate, but if I have to pick I would say it's probably more with outside the cities the smaller cities in the smaller towns and All over there. Okay. So I so I mean I Know you're not a procrastinator of the future, but you know, if you had to give if you had to give a timeline for how long this regime lasts Do you think it can last do you think do you think this is this is the end? It's just a matter of time Weeks months That's completely depends on people's we will if always yes, they could they could Why dad? I mean they could let it go that this moment of war where can it go and say? Oh, well, there were those were ideals once we come back to reality or they could just like Not like say the obvious and keep keep on yearning for your normal life and not be Adjusted to the abnormal life that is going on there. I mean that's I mean there seems like and I'm not making these up My friend was anyone like that the types happening. It was like a 18-year-old boy standing with like a baseball racket like base It's like, why are you afraid? Like I'm gonna sit down and defend myself. Yeah, why are you going away? and and Like women who like in front of the police like even though they it is huge Incredible amount of my friend anyone like he saw first like in front of his eyes one of the girls Like she was bashed on the head so hard that she like died like she died That's like and her parents image was was spread around as another victim of the Iranian government Again, this is not we're not talking about Normal like protests and some some refer mentioned on this good edges. These are really blood hungry people blood thirsty people and That's that's what happens That's what happens with religion and strong strong ideology when states Becomes religious Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show if you'd like to support the show We make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. You get value from listening. 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