 news edition. I'm Penisa Levine. Rocket fire from Gaza towards southern Israeli cities in recent hours yet again including in Bershiba and from Lebanon to northern Israel including Stoula and another missile fired from Yemen to on this day. Siren sounding in the southern city of Elat earlier. The launch of a missile towards Israel was intercepted by the Arrow Aerial Defense System over the Red Sea. The IDF confirming that missile did not cross into Israeli territory. Tomorrow marks two months since this war started. Two months since the Hamas terror assault in southern Israel in which more than 1,200 people were killed at a music festival at Kibbutzim and at army bases. More than 240 people were abducted. 138 are still being held in captivity in Gaza. Meanwhile, fighting continues on the ground. The IDF has surrounded a home in Konyunas belonging to Yahya Sinwar. The Hamas head in Gaza is in hiding though possibly underground. The Saudi-based channel Al Arabiya is reporting there is no indication that he is in that building. He has several homes. On the humanitarian front Israel saying there was a tactical pause in fighting earlier in the Rafah district to allow aid to enter the enclave. In the northern Gaza Strip the IDF has discovered one of the largest stockpiles of weapons yet during these operations. Look at the images on your screen. These weapons include hundreds of RPGs, anti-tank missiles, explosives, long-range rockets, grenades and drones all next to a health clinic and a school. So for more we welcome to studio Avi Pazner a former Israeli ambassador to France and Italy and former world chairman of Karen Hayasord United Israel Appeal. Avi thank you so much for being here. Thank you very much for having me. Unbelievable to think tomorrow will be two months since this war started since that terror rampage in southern Israel by Hamas and now at this hour 138 hostages still remain in captivity. What is your sense of how the fact that there are still so many people being held captive and the fighting is intensifying how does this all correlate? I think it correlates very much because if we want to get them back all of them all the 138 all of them if we want to get them back we have to put a lot of military pressure on Hamas that's the only way it has been proven there is no other way there is no other way to convince them to talk to them to try to tell them let's exchange only military pressure and what you are seeing now Benita is real military pressure both around Hanunez by the way we're our friend the Yahya Sinwa is hiding not in his house not in the house with being surrounded hiding in the underground and still cleaning up the northern part of Gaza where there is still resistance from some of Hamas terrorists so I think that if we continue to push for a few days or maybe more for a few days you will see another attempt for liberation of hostages or exchange of prisoners let's say I believe that at least we can get out the remnant of the women children elderly people sick people because there are sick people there and they don't get any care and I believe that through military pressure you can achieve that within days certainly hope that you are right because we heard earlier on in the day the family of an elderly Israeli woman released from captivity on the first day of that hostage release deal last week says her condition has deteriorated it's Hannah Katzir's 78th birthday today she is in hospital in serious condition and Avi this is just the most heartbreaking example of what seven weeks of captivity for any person would do it is just beyond evil but this is an elderly woman her husband was killed on the 7th of October while in their safe room her son is still one of the hostages being held right now no surprise that she isn't well right now also we're hearing reports of the conditions inside Gaza for these hostages your thoughts I mean the this is a terrible tragedy I hope that she can be saved but you know that her health deteriorated while she was captured by the Hamas she was quite okay before that I mean 78 is 78 but she was okay and during this time in Hamas captivity there was a worsening of her condition so I hope that she will get well but still we have to remember that we still have 138 people there a lot of people some of them sick they don't get any care and by the way the Red Cross is not doing its job people tried to give medic medicine to pass them through the Red Cross the Red Cross did not accept them with the excuse that the Hamas did not give them permission I mean you know you have such an organization it's true that they were helpful when there were that change of hostages they were helpful they carried them let's say from place to place and liberated them but they are not doing their job as far as our people in Gaza are concerned they are not doing their job and as you say elderly people babies still being held in captivity the Red Cross needed to get medicines or just to check that they were okay something that certainly is going to be unpacked in the coming weeks we stay with us we've got much more to discuss but right now let's go to our correspondent guy Azrael he joins us from southern Israel and guy we can see the sun sitting behind you there and earlier Red Alert siren sounding in Beishiba earlier in the day and Ashkelon as well meanwhile fighting continues inside the Gaza Strip too what is the latest what update can you share but it's an absolutely surreal view here as we see this beautiful sunset in this beautiful part of the country unfortunately with the heavy fighting happening behind us I'm not sure whether you can hear but the the explosions here are extremely loud we are hearing right now heavy artillery shells off the IDF in the northern part of the Gaza Strip we're hearing fighter jets occasionally we're hearing drones just so much that is going on right now in the neighborhoods of Betchanun and Betlahia behind us but also further away in Jebalia still in the northern part of the Gaza Strip as our cameraman Rotem will be able to show you right now also confirmation from the IDF for short while ago about those heavy fighting taking place right now in Jebalia where the Nachal Brigade has been involved in face-to-face battles with terrorists there also with the use of tanks trying to take over those strongholds of Hamas they also located weapons storage snipers explosives anti-tank missiles rockets shafts of tear tunnels and even swastikas on the walls of some of those compounds really another illustration of the ideology of Hamas that Israel is dealing with of course the fighting is also ongoing in the southern part of the Gaza Strip mainly in the town of Khan Yunus major hub for Hamas there and the rocket fire is ongoing a short while ago a rocket hitting a parking lot in the city of Bersheva causing some serious damage there but luckily no injuries in in that case Berita dramatic images behind you there correspondent Guy Azrael updating us live from southern Israel more to come from Guy in the coming hours thank you stay safe and now we welcome to studio major Dave in the reserves and operations officer of the southern brigade of Gaza and still with us Avi Pazner former ambassador Dave obviously we're only going to be speaking to you with your first name for obvious reasons but we appreciate you being here at what is clearly a very difficult time for the whole country tomorrow is two months since the Hamas terror attack that onslaught in southern Israel so if you will share with us take us back to the 7th of October your memories how it unfolded for you on that day so being in the reserve we're just being at home like money go on business I was with my roommate then we start seeing there's a barrage of missiles suddenly the first time you realize how severe is the attack is when you see the images from Zderot and al-Fakim you see Hamas terrorist inside the cities as well as the phone call from Barry I think that was the most pivotal point where people realized how many forces of Hamas are inside of Israel the phone call to Barry was very pivotal I got a phone call at 8 p.m. to get to the base and I got the very morning afterwards throughout the day we're trying to understand what is going on and also which forces are coming in and what we should do and how we should help and then the very next day arriving you see most of the aftermath and some of the images you can see in the background just parking next to a completely destroyed car or a sink on the way to the base I counted like 20 cars that were just completely shot windshields and other images that we're not get to graphic and then as soon as you get through the gate of the base that's when your mentality shifts that's when you understand you're no longer a civilian and you start shifting into the military gear so describe for us what that shift in mentality means for you so here with a civilian you're going about everything and then just regular money your own business when you go into the army you kind of turn off entirely all the mechanisms of feeling trauma or getting too sad like just from the images parking walking by the car I started noticing their grenades on the floor with duct tape and takes you a moment to realize why they're there and then right after that I just saw a body of one of the terrorists laying there because the priority was first to get all of our heart deceased and remove them to proper burial then going through the gates you see their bullet holes on the on the mirrors or on the glass and also there was a helicopter attack inside the base itself so the first day getting there is complete chaos just you see trails of blood you hear about stories of people who were fighting and all the stories to this day I think there are people that are pissing together what happened on that day you see people saying on the way to base they were just passing by suddenly someone is waving them down he realized he's holding a Kalachnikov and not m16 so he's realizing that's not our troops and then he started getting shots like through the windshield on the side and just collecting whoever you can there was like a large whatsapp group just whoever is alive come and help and then just trying to understand where they're coming from and trying to get into the kibbutz themselves it's important to say the reason that a lot of kibbutzes didn't get forces coming in is because they were surrounding them entirely like Berry after the sunset they were sitting on all positions with night vision prepared and just fighting till the morning there are so many questions about the intelligence failures on the 7th of October obviously the investigations will unpack much of the detail down the line and obviously there's a limit to what you can discuss in a public forum having said that give us your sense of the scale of what you saw on that day give us a sense of the extent of the depravity and the brutality that unfolded on that day it has shocked the most hardened of war veteran correspondents who saw on the scene what exactly it was that unfolded the evil that was perpetrated against so many people at a music festival in their homes as well not to mention on the army bases what is your sense so like i said you get there you saw on the news on Saturday like the number of casualties just rising and rising but nothing prepares you to how it looks in the field you get there you see dozens of cars like completely shot turning the pieces bodies everywhere some of them we were able to already start gathering but obviously people who are yeah i was about to sit on the base just like on on the side and so they told me wait there's a pool of blood there just everywhere we took us two weeks to just gather all the remaining and find and the extent was so severe that bodies were burned and just mutilated that we had archaeologists helping identify the deceased archaeologists that have been working in the kibbutz and also around them 13 cases they have closed just because of what they did so the extent is you're searching for teeth and also asaf hamami that there was a funeral in his remembrance so he also was shot killed and then taken to captivity it was an entire investigation to understand where he is to finalize all the questions and all the families that they got answers only a while afterwards it's due to the fact you want to be completely sure and everything is a crime scene and just in some kibbutz there were 50 or 60 or 100 even terrorists just killed there they didn't care whether you're bedwain whether you're a thai they just shot at everyone it certainly is so difficult to process even two months later the extent of what unfolded and more and more details are emerging again we appreciate there are some things you can't discuss but when you know the number of hostages who were abducted taken brutally attacked and then taken across from Israel into Gaza we know how many are back home but right now there are 138 hostages who are being held inside the Gaza Strip and fighting is intensifying as well at the same time talk to us in terms of the way fighting continues there is a serious goal to eliminate a terror threat at the same time there are 138 hostages who are hidden somewhere where that fighting is unfolding what does that look like to you so of course it seems and the way they're trying to show the world that we're just bombarding everything without distinguishing anything but we're doing everything we can also to protect the civilians as well as our own hostages so everything is done in a precise manner and also given the fact that the leverage that we have on Hamas they have no laws that they abide by no war atrocities they're doing so what we're going to do is leverage as much as we can our presence and closing in on them in order to get more batches of hostages back because right now what leverage do you have on their hostages so to get them released so we're trying to do it by getting there and applying force and presence just closing in on them and then getting more hostages out I'm going to bring avipasner in here we've got more to discuss Dave so stay with us but avie your take on exactly what we're talking about the care that is taken to protect civilian lives this is a highly controversial issue it's being debated globally no doubt much criticism about what is unfolding inside the Gaza Strip Israel releases pamphlets to civilians to guide them where to go there are enormous efforts to get humanitarian aid in is it enough is the criticism justified give us your insights I will respond in one second but first I want to tell my admiration for Dave and all those civilians who turned into soldiers within hours and I will reveal a military secret to you I am the proud grandfather of five soldiers three in the reserve two in the regular army most of them in combat unit and I can see the motivation and the fighting spirits and the enthusiasm because we are in a war that was imposed on us we are in no alternative war and you Dave really told us and I admire what you are doing you and your comrades and continue until we get to victory and now I will answer your question Benita we are doing what no army in the world has been doing to try and care about the civilians on the other side and one of the reason why it takes a long time to beat the Hamas in Gaza is because we can take such care not to hurt civilians you know we could indiscriminatively bomb everything and within days finish everything we don't we take care of the civilian as you said we throw pamphlet they move from one place to the other we let in humanitarian aid although we know that some might go to the Hamas so the care for civilians is very central in our military thinking most I believe that any army in the world take the Americans in Vietnam for example and their carpet bombing I'm not even speaking about World War II when countries were devastated completely look at Germany how it was devastated after the war we are taking care not to try and hurt the minimum possible of civilian some of course will be hit that's called collateral damage in war you cannot avoid it but they have to be a minimum and I am very proud how Sahal is dealing with that issue Dave your sense on something that Avi alluded to and that is more role amongst soldiers right now there have been major losses in the last two months tomorrow will be two months exactly there are major risks with the fighting that unfolds as we speak your sense of the camaraderie the feeling amongst soldiers at this juncture nearly two months into this war with predictions that it could take a while still yeah so firstly I just have to say I've been in active duty since 2013 so there we had protective edge I have personally been inside tunnels where you see on the side of the tunnel writing in Hebrew on the bags of cement there are allegedly humanitarian aid and Hamas is just stealing them and also using them to build tunnels instead of schools or whatever they are intended for in terms of morale I can tell you that every single soldier there feels obligated and the personal duty to the fact that we have to make things right whether Hamas or any other frontier we have whatever we set the tone now and how we finish this because we have also Iran Iraq Lebanon and even Yemen so whatever stone we set and use standards that is what we're going to have from now on so it's very important to keep fighting and the morale is very high I can tell you that a while ago on the radio one of the battalion commanders he said we took a strong hit guys we lost people but now please each platoon each company ready for orders and they keep moving forward and also personally we're in the southern brigade so we are the ones that are from the border and back so we can witness a lot of things as well as death you can see someone who is injured and they say critical injury and then they say cancel the helicopter and then you realize there's only one reason why they would cancel the evacuation but no matter what we do people are coming in there's a hundred thirty percent people in reserve I slept in a room with someone who came from the Netherlands he said I left six years ago I couldn't stand by I came here and people just come and we need to keep you being united as we are now also after the conflict Major Dave Avipasner stay with us more to discuss but right now adding another layer to the developments Vladimir Putin is making a rare trip abroad to the United Arab Emirates he is also said to travel to Saudi Arabia the Russian president is expected to discuss this ongoing war as well as the war in Ukraine as well as oil production the UAE is currently hosting the COP 28 UN climate summit but the Kremlin has not said whether the Russian leader will attend let's find out exactly what is happening there we're joined by our correspondent Basia Burri live from Dubai so the stakes are high Basia tell us more about Vladimir Putin's visit to the UAE well Benita there are a few objectives first to discuss a kind of structural disagreement on the attitude to adopt towards Hamas because on the one hand Saudi Arabia and the UAE have atrocious relations with Hamas for at least 15 or 20 years the Saudi authorities have been accusing Hamas of being too close to Iran too close to the Muslim Brotherhood and they regularly arrest Palestinian leaders and activists on their soil and on the other hand Russia has always had friendly relations with Hamas the Russians have never designated them a terrorist organization and they will support everything broadly speaking that can be a blow to to US interests that's why Russia did not condemn Hamas on October 7 although around 15 or 16 Russians died in those attacks and then another objective is also linked in a way to the war in Gaza Putin wants to make sure that the oil prices policy continues to serve Russian interests you know Russia is highly dependent on revenues from its hydrocarbon exports which by the way have dropped by almost 50 percent this year compared to last year so Putin is here to make sure that Saudi Arabia and the UAE agree to keep oil prices high notably by taking advantage of the market uncertainty caused by this war in Gaza and of course we also saw when some of the hostages were released those that were Israeli Russians were released according to Hamas as some kind of gesture to Vladimir Putin very briefly there was talk about ceasefire negotiations led by Gulf leaders any breakthrough on that front what are you hearing well Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE suffer from their appalling relations with Hamas so Qatar being the only country in the world to have good ties with all the actors in this Gaza war Qatar will do more there will be more hostage releases in the weeks and the months to come because it is in Qatar interests because the war is not not a single country in the Gulf wants this conflict to last because these countries development the Gulf countries development cannot happen if the Near East and the Middle East more broadly speaking remain eternally associated with this notion of conflict thank you so much we will be coming back to our Dubai correspondent Bastia Bori for the latest developments as Vladimir Putin holds meetings there in the UAE thank you so much I have only a few seconds left every person your thoughts very briefly on these meetings and the role that Vladimir Putin is happening is having right now very briefly I think we in the United States could should be worried about this visit of Putin to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Republic this is what in prior prior to the war we try to avoid by normalizing ties with Saudi Arabia we try to avoid exactly that and something certainly that is going to raise a lot of eyebrows we keep watching all the developments as they unfold avipazner major Dave thank you so much for sharing your story with us here in studio we so appreciate your time avipazner always a pleasure having you here in studio on i24 news and that is a wrap for this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Benita Levine thank you for watching king news edition i'm Benita Levine rocket fire from Gaza towards southern israeli cities in recent hours yet again including in Beishiba and from Lebanon to northern israel including stula and another missile fired from Yemen to on this day siren sounding in the southern city of a lot earlier the launch of a missile towards israel was intercepted by the aro aerial defense system over the red sea the idea of confirming that missile did not cross into israeli territory tomorrow marks two months since this war started two months since the Hamas terror assault in southern israel in which more than 1200 people were killed at a music festival at kibbutzim and at army bases more than 240 people were abducted 138 are still being held in captivity in Gaza meanwhile fighting continues on the ground the IDF has surrounded a home in cornunus belonging to yakhia sinwar the Hamas head in Gaza is in hiding though possibly underground the Saudi-based channel al arabia is reporting there is no indication that he is in that building he has several homes on the humanitarian front israel saying there was a tactical pause in fighting earlier in the Rafah district to allow aid to enter the enclave in the northern Gaza strip the idea has discovered one of the largest stockpiles of weapons yet during these operations look at the images on your screen these weapons include hundreds of rpgs anti-tank missiles explosives long-range rockets grenades and drones all next to a health clinic and a school so for more we welcome to studio avipasner a former israeli ambassador to france and italy and former world chairman of karen hyersword united israel appeal avi thank you so much for being here for having me unbelievable to think tomorrow will be two months since this war started since that terror rampage in southern israel by hamas and now at this hour 138 hostages still remain in captivity what is your sense of how the fact that there are still so many people being held captive and the fighting is intensifying how does this all correlate i think it correlates very much because if we want to get them back all of them all the 138 all of them if we want to get them back we have to put a lot of military pressure on hamas that's the only way it has been proven there is no other way there is no other way to convince them to talk to them to try to tell them let's exchange only military pressure and what you are seeing now benita is real military pressure both around hanunez by the way we're our friend is hiding not in his house not in the house was being surrounded hiding in the underground and still cleaning up the northern part of gaza where there is still resistance from some of hamas terrorists so i think that if we continue to push for a few days or maybe more for a few days you will see another attempt for liberation of hostages for exchange of prisoners let's say i believe that at least we can get out the remnant of the women children elderly people sick people because there are sick people there and they don't get any care and i believe that through military pressure you can achieve that within days certainly hope that you are right because we heard earlier on in the day the family of an elderly israeli woman released from captivity on the first day of that hostage release deal last week says her condition has deteriorated it's khanak at sears 78th birthday today she is in hospital in serious condition and avi this is just the most heartbreaking example of what seven weeks of captivity for any person would do it is just beyond evil but this is an elderly woman her husband was killed on the 7th of october while in their safe room her son is still one of the hostages being held right now no surprise that she isn't well right now also we're hearing reports of the conditions inside gaza for these hostages your thoughts i mean this is a terrible tragedy i hope that she can be saved but you know that her health deteriorated while she was captured by the hamas she was quite okay before that i mean 78 is 78 but she was okay and during this time in hamas captivity there was a worsening of her condition so i hope that she will get well but still we have to remember that we still have 138 people there a lot of people some of them seek they don't get any care and by the way the red cross is not doing its job people tried to give medic medicine to pass them through the red cross the red cross did not accept them with the excuse that the hamas did not give them permission i mean you know you have such an organization it's true that they were helpful when there were that change of hostages they were helpful they carried them let's say from place to place and liberated but they are not doing their job as far as our people in gaza are concerned they are not doing their job and as you say elderly people babies still being held in captivity the red cross needed to get medicines or just to check that they were okay something that certainly is going to be unpacked in the coming weeks abhi stay with us we've got much more to discuss but right now let's go to our correspondent guy asriel he joins us from southern israel and guy we can see the sun setting behind you there and earlier red alert siren sounding in bershiba earlier in the day and ashkelon as well meanwhile fighting continues inside the gaza strip too what is the latest what update can you share but i thought it's an absolutely surreal view here as we see this beautiful sunset in this beautiful part of the country unfortunately with the heavy fighting happening behind us i'm not sure whether you can hear but the the explosions here are extremely loud we are hearing right now heavy artillery shells off the idf in the northern part of the gaza strip we're hearing fighter jets occasionally we're hearing drones just so much that is going right now in the neighborhoods of bethanon and betlahia behind us but also further away in jebalia still in the northern part of the gaza strip as our cameraman rotham will be able to show you right now also confirmation from the idf a short while ago about those heavy fighting taking place right now in jebalia where the nachal brigade has been involved in face-to-face battles with terrorists there also with the use of tanks trying to take over those strongholds of hamas they also located weapons storage snipers explosives anti-tank missiles rockets shafts of terror tunnels and even swastikas on the walls of some of those compounds really another illustration of the ideology of hamas that israel is dealing with of course the fighting is also ongoing in the southern part of the gaza strip mainly in the town of han yunus major hub for hamas there and the rocket fire is ongoing a short while ago a rocket hitting a parking lot in the city of berceva causing some serious damage there but luckily no injuries in in that case berita dramatic images behind you there correspondent guy asrael updating us live from southern israel more to come from guy in the coming hours thank you stay safe and now we welcome to studio major david in the reserves and operations officer of the southern brigade of gaza and still with us avipas nair former ambassador david obviously we're only going to be speaking to you with your first name for obvious reasons but we appreciate you being here at what is clearly a very difficult time for the whole country tomorrow is two months since the hamas terror attack that onslaught in southern israel so if you will share with us take us back to the 7th of october your memories how it unfolded for you on that day so being in reserve we're just being at home like money go on business i was with my roommate and we start seeing there's a barrage of missiles suddenly the first time you realize how severe is the attack is when you see the images from zerot and al-fakim you see hamas terrorist inside the cities as well as the phone call from beri i think that was the most pivotal point where people realized how many forces are of hamas are inside of israel the phone call to beri was very pivotal i got a phone call at eight p.m to get to the base and i got the very morning afterwards throughout the day we're trying to understand what is going on and also which forces are coming in and what we should do and how we should help and then the very next day arriving you see most of the aftermath and some of the images you can see in the background just parking next to a completely destroyed car or a sink on the way to the base i counted like 20 cars that were just completely shot windshields and other images that we're not going to get to graphic and then as soon as you get through the gate of the base that's when your mentality shifts that's when you understand you're no longer a civilian and you start shifting into the military gear so describe for us what that shift in mentality means for you so here was a civilian you're going about everything and then just regular money your own business when you go into the army you kind of turn off entirely all the mechanisms of feeling trauma or getting too sad like just from the images parking walking by the car i started noticing their grenades on the floor with duct tape and takes you a moment to realize why they're there and then right after that i just saw a body of one of the terrorists laying there because the priority was first to get all of our heart disease and remove them to proper burial then going through the gates you see their bullet holes on the on the mirrors or on the glass and also there was a helicopter attack inside the base itself so the first day getting there is complete chaos just you see trails of blood you hear about stories of people who were fighting and all the stories to this day I think there are people that are pissing together what happened on that day you see people saying on the way to base they were just passing by suddenly someone is waving them down he realized he's holding a Kalachnikov and not m16 so he's realizing that's not our troops and then he started getting shot like through the windshield on the side and just collecting whoever you can there was like a large whatsapp group just whoever is alive come and help and then just trying to understand where they're coming from and trying to get into the kibbutz themselves it's important to say the reason that a lot of kibbutzes didn't get forces coming in is because they were surrounding them entirely like Berry after the sunset they were sitting on all positions with night vision prepared and just fighting till the morning. There are so many questions about the intelligence failures on the 7th of October obviously the investigations will unpack much of the detail down the line and obviously there's a limit to what you can discuss in a public forum having said that give us your sense of the scale of what you saw on that day give us a sense of the extent of the depravity and the brutality that unfolded on that day it has shocked the most hardened of war veteran correspondents who saw on the scene what exactly it was that unfolded the evil that was perpetrated against so many people at a music festival in their homes as well not to mention on the army basis what is your sense? So like I said you get there you saw on the news on Saturday like the number of casualties just rising and rising but nothing prepares you to how it looks in the field you get there you see dozens of cars like completely shot torn into pieces bodies everywhere some of them we were able to already start gathering but obviously people who are yeah I was about to sit on the base just like on the side and so they told me wait there's a pool of blood there just everywhere we took us two weeks to just gather all the remaining and find and the extent was so severe that bodies were burned and just mutilated that we had archaeologists helping identify the deceased archaeologists that have been working in the kibbutz and also around them 13 cases they have closed just because of what they did so the extent is just searching for teeth and also Asaf Hamami that there was a funeral in his remembrance so he also was shot killed and then taken to captivity it was an entire investigation to understand where he is to finalize all the questions and all the families that they got answers only a while afterwards it's due to the fact you want to be completely sure and everything is a crime scene and just in some kibbutzes there were 50 or 60 or 100 even terrorists just killed there they didn't care whether you're bedouin whether you're a thai they just show that everyone it certainly is so difficult to process even two months later the extent of what unfolded and more and more details are emerging again we appreciate there are some things you can't discuss but when you know the number of hostages who were abducted taken brutally attacked and then taken across from Israel into Gaza we know how many are back home but right now there are 138 hostages who are being held inside the Gaza Strip and fighting is intensifying as well at the same time talk to us in terms of the way fighting continues there is a serious goal to eliminate a terror threat at the same time there are 138 hostages who are hidden somewhere where that fighting is unfolding what does that look like to you so of course it seems and the way they're trying to show the world that we're just bombarding everything without distinguishing anything but we're doing everything we can also to protect the civilians as well as our own hostages so everything is done in a precise manner and also given the fact that the leverage that we have on Hamas they have no laws that they abide by no war atrocities they're doing so what we want to do is leverage as much as we can our presence and closing in on them in order to get more batches of hostages back because right now what leverage do you have on their hostages so to get them released so we're trying to do it by getting there and applying force and presence just closing in on them and then getting more hostages out I'm going to bring Avi Pazner in here we've got more to discuss Dave so stay with us but Avi your take on exactly what we're talking about the care that is taken to protect civilian lives this is a highly controversial issue it's being debated globally no doubt much criticism about what is unfolding inside the Gaza Strip Israel releases pamphlets to civilians to guide them where to go there are enormous efforts to get humanitarian aid in is it enough is the criticism justified give us your insights I will respond in one second but first I want to tell my admiration for Dave and all those civilians who turned into soldiers within hours and I will reveal a military secret to you I am the proud grandfather of five soldiers three in the reserve two in the regular army most of them in combat unit and I can see the motivation and the fighting spirit and the enthusiasm because we are in a war that was imposed on us we are in no alternative war and you Dave really told us and I admire what you are doing you and your comrades and continue until we get to victory and now I will answer your question Benita we are doing what no army in the world has been doing to try and care about the civilians on the other side and one of the reason why it takes a long time to beat the Hamas in Gaza is because we can take such care not to hurt civilians you know we could indiscriminately bomb everything and within days finish everything we don't we take care of the civilian as you said we throw pamphlet they move from one place to the other we let in humanitarian aid although we know that some might go to the Hamas so the care for civilians is very central in our military thinking most I believe that any army in the world take the Americans in Vietnam for example and their carpet bombing I'm not even speaking about World War II when countries were devastated completely look at Germany how it was devastated after the war we are taking care not to try and hurt the minimum possible of civilian some of course will be hit that's called collateral damage in war you cannot avoid it but they have to be a minimum and I am very proud how Sahal is dealing with that issue Dave your sense on something that Avi alluded to and that is more role amongst soldiers right now there have been major losses in the last two months tomorrow will be two months exactly there are major risks with the fighting that unfolds as we speak your sense of the camaraderie the feeling amongst soldiers at this juncture nearly two months into this war with predictions that it could take a while still yes so firstly I just have to say I've been in active duty since 2013 so there we had protective edge I have personally been inside tunnels where you see on the side of the tunnel writing in Hebrew on the bags of cement there are allegedly humanitarian aid and Hamas is just stealing them and also using them to build tunnels instead of schools or whatever they are intended for in terms of morale I can tell you that every single soldier there feels obligated and the personal duty to the fact that we have to make things right whether Hamas or any other frontier we have whatever we set the tone now and how we finish this because we have also Iran Iraq Lebanon and even Yemen so whatever stone we set and use standards that is what we're going to have from now on so it's very important to keep fighting and the morale is very high I can tell you that a while ago on the radio one of the battalion commanders he said we took a strong hit guys we lost people but now please each platoon each company ready for orders and they keep moving forward and also personally we're in the southern brigade so we are the ones that are from the border and back so we can witness a lot of things as well as death you can see someone who is injured and they say critical injury and then they say cancel the helicopter and then you realize there's only one reason why they would cancel the evacuation but no matter what we do people are coming in there's a hundred thirty percent people in reserve I slept in the room with someone who came from the Netherlands he said I left six years ago I couldn't stand by I came here and people just come and we need to keep you being united as we are now also after the conflict Major Dave Avipasnero stay with us more to discuss but right now adding another layer to the developments Vladimir Putin is making a rare trip abroad to the united Arab Emirates he is also set to travel to Saudi Arabia the Russian president is expected to discuss this ongoing war as well as the war in Ukraine as well as oil production the UAE is currently hosting the COP 28 UN climate summit but the Kremlin has not said whether the Russian leader will attend let's find out exactly what is happening there we're joined by our correspondent Basia Buri live from Dubai so the stakes are high Basia tell us more about Vladimir Putin's visit to the UAE well Benita there are a few objectives first to discuss a kind of structural disagreement on the attitude to adopt towards Hamas because on the one hand Saudi Arabia and the UAE have atrocious relations with Hamas for at least 15 or 20 years the Saudi authorities have been accusing Hamas of being too close to Iran too close to the muslim brotherhood and they regularly arrest Palestinian leaders and activists on their soil and on the other hand Russia has always had friendly relations with Hamas the Russians have never designated them a terrorist organization and they will support everything broadly speaking that can be a blow to to US interests that's why Russia did not condemn Hamas on October 7 although around 15 or 16 Russians died in those attacks and then another objective is also linked in a way to the war in Gaza Putin wants to make sure that the oil prices policy continues to serve Russian interests you know Russia is highly dependent on revenues from its hydrocarbon exports which by the way have dropped by almost 50% this year compared to last year so Putin is here to make sure that Saudi Arabia and the UAE agree to keep oil prices high notably by taking advantage of the market uncertainty caused by this war in Gaza and of course we also saw when some of the hostages were released those that were Israeli Russians were released according to Hamas as some kind of gesture to Vladimir Putin very briefly there was talk about ceasefire negotiations led by Gulf leaders any breakthrough on that front what are you hearing well Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE suffer from their appalling relations with Hamas so Qatar being the only country in the world to have good ties with all the actors in this Gaza war Qatar will do more there will be more hostage releases in the weeks and the months to come because it is in Qatar interests because the war is not not a single country in the Gulf wants this conflict to last because these countries development the Gulf countries development cannot happen if the Near East and the Middle East more broadly speaking remain eternally associated with this notion of conflict thank you so much we will be coming back to our Dubai correspondent Bastille Boree for the latest developments as Vladimir Putin holds meetings there in the UAE thank you so much I have only a few seconds left every prisoner your thoughts very briefly on these meetings and the role that Vladimir Putin is happening is having right now very briefly I think we in the United States could should be worried about this visit of Putin to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Republic this is what in prior prior to the war we try to avoid by normalizing ties with Saudi Arabia we try to avoid exactly that and something certainly that is going to raise a lot of eyebrows we keep watching all the developments as they unfold Avipaznir Major Dave thank you so much for sharing your story with us here in studio we so appreciate your time Avipaznir always a pleasure having you here in studio on i24 news and that is a wrap for this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Benita Levine thank you for watching broadcasting from Israel with dozens of correspondents throughout the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries completely done down in their beds bringing Israel's story to the world for news day 61 since Israel was attacked by Hamas fighting inside Gaza is intensifying and rockets are fired at Israel both from Gaza and Lebanon i24 news defense correspondent Jonathan Bragev reports two months on and the war in Gaza is in full swing Israeli ground forces are now operating on all fronts we have secured many Hamas strongholds in the northern Gaza Strip and now we're operating against its strongholds in the south our forces are now encircling the Khan Yunus area in the southern Gaza Strip while simultaneously securing our accomplishments in the north while the Gaza city neighborhoods of Jebalia and Sadjaia are the focal points in the north the city of Han Yunus is now the main aim in the south ground forces are approaching the main work is still done here from the air with massive strikes hitting the city and its surroundings for the past 48 hours our forces are expanding the ground operation against Hamas in every place in the Gaza Strip including in the south tonight we operated with massive force the earth shock in Khan Yunus further north the ground operation is also intensifying the infantry backed by armored vehicles right behind them is conducting the dangerous task of searching for terrorists in every house once again major Hamas operation facilities are found right next to civilian areas we found hundreds of anti-tank missiles UAVs and long-range rockets we are in the middle of a residential area right next to schools the ground forces are assisted from above here is a terror cell hoping to confront the IDF soldiers but they're eliminated from the air as soon as they appear as all this is happening on the military front there's still one bigger goal than any military achievement as the IDF expands its operations to dismantle Hamas in Gaza we have not lost sight not for one moment of our critical mission to rescue our hostages to do everything in our power to bring our hostages home the security establishment believes the military pressure will eventually lead to a hostage deal as it did in the previous stage of the war and still rockets are being fired at Israel from Gaza I 24 years guy as real is in the town of Sderot near the border with Gaza what's the latest guy good evening Jacob and Danny in studio yes it has been a rather loud evening here in Sderot we're hearing heavy shelling of the IDF at this very hour helicopters above us we heard fighter jets a short while ago as well quite a lot going on and this is for the northern part of the Gaza Strip sadly the idea of announcing the one Israeli soldier has fallen this evening his name is addition e 39 years old that's the latest fatality of the fighting in the northern part of the Gaza Strip earlier rocket fire just 20 minutes ago next to one of the kibbutz in the southern part of the Gaza Strip and earlier also a direct hit into a parking lot in the city of bear sheva with some damage there to trucks luckily no injuries in that incident the fighting is ongoing both here in the northern part of the strip but mainly in the southern part where the IDF still has a lot of work taking over the city of Hanyounis a major Hamas stronghold yesterday confirmation form IDF chief her to your levy that idea troops are surrounding that city a lot of work there both in terms of the major troops of Hamas the terror tunnels there and the fact that there is a large population there both the local population of Hanyounis and many of the Gazans who already fled from the northern part of the Gaza Strip to the area of Hanyounis so quite a few challenges for the IDF there as it makes its advancement through new areas in Gaza with the goal of eliminating Hamas completely in the Gaza Strip at the same time our guy humanitarian aid including gas food and more is still coming into Gaza and the United States is pressing Israel for even more it does so and the Israeli cabinet is said to meet at eight thirty that's in thirty two and a half hours from now to discuss further aid the decision was given to the war cabinet just yesterday Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided not to vote in the small cabinet the decision will be made this evening in the wider government cabinet with obviously a sensitive topic for Israel as it wants to increase the pressure on Hamas at the same time given in to the demands of the U.S. as the leverage to continue its operations in Gaza all right guys real in sterot thank you very much more on this with us now is Major General Uzi Dayan former Deputy Chief of Staff of the IDF thank you very much for joining us Mr. Dayan um to the question of humanitarian aid the the Israeli cabinet is going to discuss this tonight as Guy have said what what's your position on that should Israel allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza at this stage well as you see we were very occupied with it we it's it's very important for us but we we have a war to to make and I would say to all the people in Washington and in Europe are very concerned about humanitarian steps in Gaza I can give you an address go to the Hamas they started this war and they used the people in Gaza as a human shield and in the same time the people in Gaza actually voted for the Hamas so we are doing our best but the real address for it is the Hamas leaders yeah you know many in Israel say including the families of hostages that we've heard their calls yesterday to the prime minister that we should negotiate for the hostages by stopping or at least discussing this humanitarian so-called aid which much of it goes to Hamas what do you think about that it's it is a dilemma here and it's it's it's a very tough decision to make but I think that the more we apply a military pressure the more we have the a chance to to free the those say hostages and actually our military force brought us all the way to this position in which we we freed about when almost half of the hostages we are not sure what happened with the other half especially the Hamas don't do anything don't even talk to the Red Cross so what we the only choice to try and to rescue them is to apply more military force this is my position and the big question of what about the day after who should take control of Gaza well first of all let's arrive to the day after now we we are actually doing our best to this day to beat Hamas to dismantle Hamas and some people say what do you mean by dismantle Hamas Hamas it's an idea you can dismantle an idea and my answer is that please remember especially our audience in the in the states and in Europe you remember Germany 1945 this is the kind of regime that we have to establish there to beat the Hamas to bring down the from their positions to open even a court of crimes against humanity and at that position we can talk about the day after all along the way to the day after we have to stop the rest even now still rockets fire from Gaza Strip the different parts of Israel I'm not mentioning the other arenas that we have in the northern part and then in the west bank but even in Gaza we we have still a war to make and then in the day after I think the day start of the day the first mass or even ill will be with Israel take over Gaza Strip establish a new borderline with Egypt and Israeli it's near the Rafa Israeli Egyptian border and then we can talk about the day after from what I'm saying actually it means it is pretty clear that I think that Israel will have to take control there at least for long months it's not to say ears and then we can start to see whether somebody can take control I can assure you that the people in Gaza itself can't do it because actually they elected the Hamas the Palestinian authority can't do it because they are not much better they lost Gaza to the Hamas but they are not much better and I was for many years in charge of the Israeli security committee in all the negotiations with the Palestinians with the Syrians with the Jordanians and other and I can tell you that actually the Palestinian authority ended by Rafa the kid the peace process and now the Hamas actually buried it in one sentence they made the peace process become the resting peace process who's it again thank you very much all the best thank you uh here in the studio with me ambassadar daniel on former Israeli ambassador to washington good evening daniel to the question of what's next now it seems to be between washington and Jerusalem right it's it is a little bit premature to announce anything but I think discussion should be on their ways and from my understanding right now is nobody in israel is really dealing with it at least not officially and I think this is a mistake we better be coming prepared for the day after at least with some coherent Israeli ideas otherwise we will find ourselves with some feta complete there other people will decide for us or if they do not decide for us at least you know we will be isolated and condemned and everything that goes with it you know the whole story so major general diane said you know you cannot beat an idea it is true but I think you can mitigate an idea and I think if you start with education you know it's it's not something that you can do overnight but over a generation you can do it and when I mean you know with the new type of education that means onra should not be holding schools should not be in charge of the curriculum over there we saw onra is pretty much part of the Hamas onra officials were holding hostages in their homes for Hamas yeah this is the un agency of course right onra the un agents exactly and they are the ones who are actually fueling incitement and hatred into the schools onra is the one which is responsible for the schools and they are the ones also writing the the books and and we know what's what's in these books it's it's just as bad as it is during the so un probably not Arab countries not enthusiastic about getting in who's left well we have one good precedent of a multilateral force not the un which is the peacekeeping force on the Sinai between Israel and Egypt and this multi national force is made out of mostly NATO countries it's not part of NATO I mean it was an ad hoc arrangement just for the peace arrangement but the US was the one organizing it they had a US battalion they had an Italian battalion they had another countries battalion maybe this is something for the interim I know that there's no appetite whatsoever for western countries to send their you know boys and girls into harm's way but I think that that would be if it's for a you know a set time with a lot of infusion of capital from the Saudis from the Arab countries maybe we can think of something but I agree the UN cannot do it Arab countries so so but certainly Israel should not be there because if we are there it's going to be like the Lebanon war all over again we were stuck in the Lebanon mud for 18 years losing a lot of of our men and and also a lot of credit and we were stretched thin I don't think it makes sense for Israel to stay there after we defeat Hamas okay maybe we'll have better ideas from Abdullah al-Janaid our friend from Manama Bahrain good evening he's a great guy how could they trick you and to start talking about this without me on this panel we've been talking about this and no solutions what what are the options as you see them put it this way if we build on what Danny just said mitigating the idea by changing mindset it's going to be taken a lot of time but again I will differ with my friend Danny when he says probably there are non-Arab takers when it's come to Gaza the day after yes there will be no Arab takers if Netanyahu continue break in Israel and Gaza and then expect us to jump in in a sit to in a sinking ship what Israel need to start doing from day one when I say one now it is to start talking to their regional partners to he should stop talking about taking the PA totally out of the equation we will not accept being partner partners in this if the PA is not there because we're going to be exactly seen or by everybody else like riding on Israeli tanks into Gaza is it agreed would you say as president the sissy of Egypt said before that Gaza should be the middle militarized before anything I agree and this is very tough who's going to go there and fight to take all the arms they are so many you know weapons there Jacob no Jacob what you need to do give those guys a job and they will give up their guns give them hope give them something to resent something that's them their identity their dignity self-respect they don't need an arwah to you know provide shelter and and food and left with nothing and no aspiration but give them to developing something that they had and replicating something that you did in in Nagar along with you the Jordanian the Palestinian from West Bank the Egyptian the GCC we all could contribute but we need to start with Kim not just to sell those people an idea we need their partnership in reshaping their peace of the country and also reshaping their future so you were talking about day one let me ask you what can some Arab countries do right now Danny no no I would like Danny to jump in here okay all right you're also moderating the debate that's great yeah no no I well first of all Abdel always has great ideas I think also is the right mindset and and he really cares and then this is very important first of all you have to really care to have really a stake in the situation because actually it's all our future together it's tied together here in the Middle East and even beyond I would agree that the Palestinian Authority should have a role except the Palestinian Authority at this point is so weak that I'm not sure that they are capable of doing that and when we talk about changing the education system part of the this authority Palestinian Authority education system is no better than the UNRAS one so they will have to change as well when President Biden talked about a revitalized Palestinian Authority that means maybe just fixing it from the building it from the right but education this is this is something for years right but also the Palestinian Authority they will have to one stop financing terror stop incitement in international organizations and also in the public arena you know in their you know they they amplify a lot of incitement during their you know public talk and their media and all that and the question is will they have the world with all to to really put or control law and order they were thrown out of Gaza by Hamas in 10 hours 10 hours they threw them out in 2007 so it is questionable whether they are ready now I think the long run I totally agree with the Abdullah that they should be coming over there I want to pass the ball to Abdullah again and I want to hear from you what can Arab countries do and maybe as part of this enlargement of the Abraham Accords maybe they can all come together for Gaza and for peace here I think what the Israelis need to do to start with is in a state of asking what the others going to do why don't we reverse engineer the whole up and ask what the Israelis need to do before the rest of the region come to join hand and work something together Israel need to change the way it's approached this thing to start with not everything is according to what Israel needs we need to change the mindset of the Israelis to say what does the region needs and what Israel needs to do to come in as a game player a partner and every shape or the future of this reason are we going to continue what the others supposed to do in a state of the region has to do we're not going to move forward I want to ask you about Qatar do you think Qatar should also change their state of mind in supporting Hamas who convinced them to do that I got you Danny we have a minute maybe the United States is the only one in Egypt we have to remember Danny was it seriously please Danny come on listen Egypt has a lot of stake you know it wasn't Egypt and you know very well I mean this is this is one one of the thing about Israel you were part of this game in terms of empowering Qatar or allowing it to finance even now the Qataris are indeed you know what because of that but they they should be they should stand you know responsible for accepting that role and Israel played a major role in making sure that the Qataris play that through the say suggestion of the American or the American dictation but the same at the end Qatar Israel and the United States are responsible for this it should be made accountable it's not just the Qataris well I would add to that Abdullah he I think he knows the lay of the land here in Israel and you know there's going to be a a commission of inquiry after the war and the role of Qatar will be looming very large on that and the concept right Israeli government along this obviously exactly all right Abdullah thank you very much a pleasure as always please come again thank you very much now this how do you fight fake news and anti-israel propaganda some content and high-tech experts from across Israel joined forces to do just that I 24 news correspondent uresh apira has more around two months since October 7th the battle continues not only in the Middle East but also in other fields one of them is the field of advocacy here in this hub in central Tel Aviv dozens of volunteers gather to share their talents and abilities and to fight anti-israeli propaganda which is on the increase our main goal is to make 80 90 percent of those who are chanting free Palestine shout in favor of Israel most of the people who are shouting free Palestine are not even Muslims they are normal people 23 24 year old students they are the people who support Ukraine they also need to support Israel for 20 years Israel focused on Jewish communities while the bds worked and made the story of free Palestine a trendy and cool story the center is divided into several main wings a content wing which contains writers producers directors and others who create posts blogs and even videos we meet Paulina Patimer a photographer who joined to document the broken Gaza envelope communities Israel is so small country but I think the world seems like we are 20 percent of population because of our you know news and stuff that we are doing but we actually so minor and we need to invest so much power and energy and budget and sources in order to spread our news the the real facts and history so I think if we don't do we don't have anything else who can do for us and so it's kind of every Israeli or person who feels that he connects to Israel has to do something in order to improve the perspective in future one of the services offered here is media training for Israeli politicians and officials what the world needs is they need people to explain it to them in their language and sometimes especially you know with Israel there's a language barrier and not just a language barrier there's a way of communicating things like for example Naftali Bennett on Sky News he did a fantastic job absolutely fantastic but it was very strange because he started shouting at the presenter and my Israeli family were like yeah he really gave it to them he showed them and my British family was saying oh my god he's just destroyed everything he's done terribly and it's so funny because that's what I'm saying you know you need to be able to communicate in a way that for example the Brits the Americans will understand and take in and that's what I think Israel sadly misses the center also has a technology wing which develops new applications and tools to spread the word better around the world we also find people who work in human resources and other positions seggalit and the meat are a mother and daughter who decided to join this center together it's good I had the privilege to work with my daughter it's an opportunity that who knows when I'll have again my son is doing reserve military service so the situation here reflects Israeli society and its ability as we are about to leave we hear a siren and have to evacuate to a safe place but the people of Israeli spirit advocacy center continue to work updating information online and documenting their experiences we'll take a short break now and we'll be right back with more special coverage here on night 24 news stay tuned we'll be right there's special coverage here on night 24 news it's another busy day up north night 24 years Zach Anders is live near Israel has border with Lebanon on another not quiet day and we are seeing that Hezbollah has taken responsibility and claims that they struck seven times today seven separate attacks throughout the the day the IDF clarifying that it was retaliating and in the later afternoon hours on positions inside Lebanon with artillery and air strikes this is almost the same number of strikes that we saw yesterday that Hezbollah took responsibility for and they were coming in the late afternoon hours all across the northern border this is an area that stretches for dozens and dozens of miles and the the weapons that are being used here do appear to be as same as yesterday these ATGMs the anti-tank guided missiles that need to be fired by personnel with a line of sight and Hezbollah's claims say they were firing on troops soldiers at these bases also at a radar site that appears to have also been manned some of the social media posts that were released throughout the day also seemed to follow suit with some of the claims they did seem to correlate and we also saw interceptions over Kiryat Shermona so indicating to us that there were also heavy rocket launches fired from again southern Lebanon towards northern Israel right also Zach an unusual apology by IDF to Lebanon's army what's behind it and it does appear that that is an attempt to at least disseminate to the people of Lebanon that the targets here are Hezbollah that the attempt the IDF says was to eliminate where Hezbollah had fired upon them earlier and that these LAF the Lebanese armed forces Lebanon armed forces soldiers the one that was killed and several others that were wounded were nearby to this Hezbollah position that had fired on the IDF earlier that's what the IDF is saying but it they did go to great pain to paint the picture that this was not an intentional targeting of the LAF and if you go back over the years of statements by the IDF in the last decade it's been often that the IDF has said or claimed that Hezbollah and the LAF the armed forces the soldiers are working together in southern Lebanon but they didn't do that here and it does appear that that's an attempt to try and turn the tension here down a notch all right Zach Andrews up north thank you very much for that families of Israeli hostages met with prime minister Netanyahu last night some were furious that not enough is being done as they see to free their loved ones take a listen it's very intense exchange there here in the studio ambassador Danny I alone and also Rafael your show me former senior intelligence officer Danny this is hard to listen to a very tough situation what can you say to families and this is part of the ongoing discussion within Israeli society well Jacob there's not much to say you have to act the problem is the hands of the governments are also tied they're not free to do whatever they want there's no magic bullet here and I must I mean I feel here for the war cabinet because they are in a lose-lose situation and the fact that they do their maximum effort is I think is true because of what the Americans say even President Biden blamed the Hamas for breaking down the negotiations and actually stopping the hostages release for breaking the ceasefire he blamed them and even there was a speculation by Matthew Miller the the press secretary of the foreign of the state of the state right of the state department he said that the Americans suspect that the Hamas did not want to release the last batch of prisoners because they were concerned of what will be revealed revealed on how they treated them in prison in captivity right Rafael can Israel do more maybe initiate something that's what the families wanted Israel seems to believe that the military pressure is the answer in the absence of any breakthrough on diplomatic level would anything appear to work in diplomacy we would be probably willing to slow down the offensive or even to think of a new truth if we can have 10 hostages a day right now this is not on the table right now as you said the Hamas is keeping these hostages as assets as life insurance as a human shield whatever and probably not willing to will and deal right now maybe if they feel enough pressure from the military they will come back to negotiating in the meantime everything is being done it's for sure that the government and of course the security services are doing their utmost there is only one part we're not doing enough and not there at most is on the hugging of the families of the hostages i think it's very important that they should feel if they don't feel hugged and they don't feel good then something's wrong they should feel and you should go even if they shout at you so what so they shout at you because it's normal they're stressed they are desperate so you're gonna you know have a little you know unpleasant moments and you have to go and hug them and kiss them and understand that they're suffering so much and sometimes this they can be unfair they can throw out you things that are not nice and not fair uh when you're trying your best but it's your job to come and hang them and to that is very important for their morale and that's it also for the moral of the nation up to the point that ambassador alone made of a little little situation what happens in about a month or so if Israel cannot show that it destroyed Hamas on one hand and hostages are still there on the other hand this is a lose lose this is the risk we have to take we have very no choice but first of all we do not know how many of these hostages are still alive and how many will survive the treatment that they're enduring right now some people have got chronic disease some people are aged women are probably very mistreated who knows how many will be alive if and when we can come and ask for a deal and will with for their liberation so that that's one point the other point is of course the military outcome of it all people seem to say that we are on a limited schedule we don't have that much time so right now the the violence and the success of the assault of the IDF I think could lead us in more likely into a month a month and a half to some kind of a military victory so it wouldn't be a total victory one of the general the general Hyman said that there are 24 battalions in the Hamas if we succeed to destroy 16 meaning two thirds of the Hamas military power that's the military victory after that we have a more length lengthy and but also more serene way of dealing with the rest and also with the big part of it is that once you've dealt with the military branch you still have the political branch maybe you had 30 000 fighters that you had to deal with but you also got 200 000 civil servants and supporters of the Hamas these guys don't have weapons but they occupy such jobs like the chief hospital director he was just a terrorist he was no hospital director he was put there by the Hamas he was making sure this hospital is a bastion of terror and you have to eliminate all these people before you can say that the Hamas will not rule in Gaza you have all the white color terrorists as well to deal with so all this will take time for now I think the American administration sees that it's taking time so Lloyd Austin and the people of the defense establishment they know their job they see professionally that Sal is the idea is doing the job they are trying to avoid collateral damage etc etc and the rest will depend on the humanitarian sides of things if the humanitarian crisis gets to a certain level that is not acceptable to the Americans that we also could put us in a spot and that's why I think the solution still remains it was the solution of the 8th of October and it's still the solution now you have to take the Gazi people out of the combat zone meaning out of Gaza you have to take them into Sinai that's the real humanitarian things to do to open a huge refugee camp similar to the one that was opened in Turkey for the people of the Syrian civil war Egyptians do not want that the Egyptians don't want to see one Palestinian on their side because they're afraid they won't go back and the Palestinians they don't want to go back and but they leave me they also don't want to stay in Egypt they want to go to Canada they want to go to Australia that's why they want to go young Gaza person today they don't want to go back to a destroyed Gaza or take years and years to rebuild and hoping that he would go back to and accept to live peacefully with the Israelis but he also doesn't want to stay in Egypt a lot of young Egyptians don't want to stay in Egypt there are many countries in the world where they like to go and to have a brighter future but in any case temporarily right now where there is a real war where it's violent and which is dangerous for children for women and the only humanitarian thing to do and that's the responsibility of the Biden administration of the international community is to put pressure on Mr. Sisi to open the border and let these people at least for the time of the war to be in a safe zone and not say to to push them push them like in a team can like sardines you know I mean this is creating already a health hazard just to do that yeah uh to the question of how much time uh some reports in Israeli media referring to the American saying is like the beginning of 24 that's it not just the end of the month the end of the year well there are a few clocks working here Jacob one of course is the military clock on the ground one of course is the international community and and especially I would say the patience of the Sunni countries in the region which care for their stability you know they don't want to see riots on on their streets so this is why they're pushing on the Americans to limit the Israeli time and there is also the political clock of the president you know we're going to see primaries in Iowa and then New Hampshire and you're in in January so I would say if we're talking about timelines I believe Israel has time until January after January I think the the president will be preoccupied with elections he will know he will have no patience and he will not want to hear about this so he wants he wants to put it behind him before exactly so then the then the idea is to have low level intensity of of the skirmishes by that time we should as Mr. Yerushalmi said here take care of most of the battalions of of the Hamas so we can really restore some kind of law and order which will take a long time anyway but if you eliminate Hamas first and foremost as a military threat this is the main thing then you can speak about all the other things and this should be done by January if it's possible anyway look at it it's very complicated that puts pressure on IDF to so-called finish the job there's also another clock if I may say it's the economic clock for Israel we do not have such a economic depth that we can sustain this war effort forever and ever I mean the economy is being impacted a lot of the reservists have you know jobs they have to go back to I don't even want to speak about the small businesses people who are fighting right now have left their shops closed and they're gonna come back to they're gonna be bankrupt I mean there is also this that clock that's ticking how much can we sustain economically on a national level but also personally for the fighters and the families this kind of effort it's a huge huge effort right also the political clock inside Israel and inside Israel as well he says well yes you know here you know because of the the political rift unfortunately there are those who say that Benjamin Netanyahu and I don't believe in that but you know those who are on the other side they say for his political interest is to prolong the war because as long as the war goes on there is no commission of inquiry there's no call for new elections so this is another thing which is kind of in the back of people's minds here right and another issue a big one three deans of three Ivy League universities in the United States had no problem admitting that practically anti-Semitism gets a free pass in their campuses I-24 News and Alterman reports on their hearing in Washington the fewer over anti-Semitism on campus has made it all the way here to the witness table on Capitol Hill with three university presidents Tuesday facing a grilling at a hearing of the education committee of the U.S. House of Representatives so the answer is yes that calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard code of conduct correct again it depends on the context it does not depend on the context the answer is yes and this is why you should resign these are unacceptable answers across the board and so it went with scenes like these is the backdrop months of angry campus protests over the war in Gaza with tensions building between pro-Palestinian students who fear being silenced and particularly Jewish students who feel bullied with Jewish students saying slogans like intifada global revolution are anti-Semitic and some pro-Palestinian groups seeing them as protected speech that is hateful speech that has been and should be condemned whether it rises to the level of incitement to violence under the policies that Penn and the city of Philadelphia follow which are guided by the United States Constitution I think is a much more difficult question the hearing on Capitol Hill adds to the headaches of campus presidents who are facing competing pressures from pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian students faculty alumni and donors unable to please everyone and maybe to please anyone with us now is Danny Dejan chairman of Yad Vashem formerly Israel's consul general in New York thank you very much for joining us I know Danny that many in the Jewish community were shocked to hear this kind of things were you surprised yes I must admit I was surprised by the you know the sincerity of these persons they didn't deny that they come down anti-Semitism in their institutions you know universities unfortunately historically are not immune to bigotry universities in Germany you know that those that burn books in the streets of berlin in the 1930s were not the ignorant masses but the students and the professors of the most prestigious universities of those time so academy is not immune to to bigotry and to wrong ideas but I must admit that this was quite shocking I think that you know this will prevail but I think that if this course continues those institutions the American Academy is doomed they are not institutions that are able to educate the next generation of American leaders what's the source of this kind of what's called code of conduct you would not have that when it comes to other minorities obviously right you know I met a few weeks ago president McGee from UPEN in Philadelphia and I told her that for me I think that the problem is the faculty first and foremost the faculty I think that the chance that the the anti-Semmiting a genocidal chance by the students are the symptom and the violence towards Jewish students are a symptom but the problem the disease is in faculty I think that for many years two too many years in the most prestigious universities in the United States I believe universities there is faculty not all the northern entire faculty but important members of their faculty that stone after stone piece after piece article after article and book after book are building a theory that advocates for the elimination of the Jewish state and that is horrendous and this is the the I see the main problem I must also admit that regarding this context thing I told the president McGee and I told her counterparts in Colombia and other universities that even if they took some actions did they do it for the wrong reason I asked them if we're calling for genocide politely they you know they they they punish anti-Semitic organizations if they violate their regulations but if they call for genocide politely that is okay well I don't understand that they have no problem with the content they was naive to believe that the problem they should have a problem with the content right now here we've heard from three universities Harvard MIT and Penn State what about others I mean is this everywhere and the problem is you know the most prestigious the university the most blood and bigotry that we find there it includes Colombia it includes Berkeley it includes most basically all the I believe universities I think that you know Jacob I am I am reluctant to say this but because I am always reluctant to make comparisons to cancer but anti-Semitism campus now is a cancerous process we we could have stopped it when it reached stage one a few years ago I know it quite intimately because as you said I was considering New York but more importantly because my daughter was a pro-israel student for five years in Colombia University with relatively modest steps they could have stopped that anti-Semitism they did it now we are in stage two we need action that is more is harder if the universities don't take that action now and it seems that they have no intention of doing it we will reach stage three and they stage four stage four is terminal but it will not be terminal for the Jewish community it will be terminal for the universities then this process will ruin America right Danny Diane chairman of Yad Vashem thank you very much thank you so much thank you on october 7th israel's border police units fought in more than 35 different locations against hundreds of Hamas terrorists the next report brings details and videos from their first battles this bodycam footage of a border policeman was taken at the Yad Mordecai intersection a half an hour after a series of missile alert sirens blasted across Israel on october 7th two months ago recently the border police conducted a preliminary investigation of all battles fought by their units the investigation revealed 37 fierce battles took place in different locations officers confronting Hamas terrorists and in particular the terror groups Nakba unit this map drawn as a part of the investigation follows the fighting trail showing combat zones spreading across all surrounding communities including sterot of akim and netivot in these locations the border police fighters eliminated more than 500 Hamas terrorists most of them from the Nakba unit who infiltrated the southern communities the border police captured dozens of terrorists and handed them over to the Shin Bet to the IDF's 504 unit and to the police interrogation unit interrogations that yielded quality intelligence aiding IDF maneuvers inside the Gaza Strip additionally the investigation revealed that the border police fighters rescued thousands of local residents and revelers from the nova music festival this video is from the body camera of a border police raider a tactical brigade which rescued the Galani brigade soldiers trapped inside this apc in kibbutz near Aam this is only a summary of the initial investigation conducted by the border police Israeli police are still conducting a comprehensive and in-depth investigation the conclusions of which will light